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A New Year, A New Change to Drawabox's Critique Tiers

For those of you who don't have time to read this whole post, here's a summary of the changes:

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To start, I want to say how glad I am at the response to the update to the website. Over the months it took, I wasn't ever entirely certain that investing that time and effort was entirely worth it, but the inundation of appreciation validated every little bit of it. The videos definitely need to be updated with better audio and production value, but getting the content out by December 25th was my priority.

Anyway! With all these changes has come a pretty significant inundation of work. Prior to this month, I was getting around 2 submissions per day on average. Through this month, I've been getting closer to 4 per day (about 4.3/day since the 15th), with peaks as high as 8 submissions in a day. Basically what I mean to say is that the jump in growth has been considerable, but the way things are now isn't really doesn't scale well as the community grows.

Adding to the growth is also the fact that students frequently submit multiple times a month. This is allowed, but somewhat restricted and has never really had clear terms on what those limitations are to be. I've basically been telling students when I've felt they were submitting too often to hold onto their work until the next month.

The intent I've always had is to gradually increase prices to deal with demand, but it's not something I'm eager to do, because it's a bandaid solution. I am after all just one man, and there are only so many hours in the day (especially while I'm still balancing a full time job, drawing a web comic, etc). About a year ago, I shuffled the patreon tiers around a bit and it did give me some relief, but I think we need to find a different solution.

So here's what's going to happen, as of February 1st:

As for the prices, these will be the new tiers:

In order to make the transition as smooth as possible, if you pledged at the $3 tier in January, you will continue to be eligible for Tier 1 through all of February. New pledges will be subject to the new tiers after February 1st, and pledges made before that will be subject to them starting March 1st.

If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to post them below. My long term hope is that I can develop Drawabox to be less reliant on me specifically, with a variety of trusted teachers available at different price points, each given the opportunity to build up their own reputations as they further their careers, while also giving students access to cheaper, reliable instruction that falls well below the hundreds of dollars one might spend on other online courses.

Comments

I'm glad I could help, and I hope these resources continue to be useful to you.

Uncomfortable

This program gave me a direction to work towards as someone starting art at age 20, so I can't begrudge it a 10 dollar monthly payment. It's still less than any other program of a similar scope I've found and getting feedback and mentorship like this is amazing. Hell I've already payed more by a long shot just for single quarter art classes at Uni.

Amicus

Been told when I can move onto the next part is def a big plus for me. Having learning difficulties is not fun. And not knowing when I'm done with something is a big issue. So I'm glad about this. Hopefully it all works out for you :D

ArticReaper

I am honestly glad that you posted this, as I feel it's a concern that many people would have, and one that should be addressed but that is difficult to broach on my own. I can completely understand where you're coming from, and it's very clear that at its surface, charging a set amount per critique rather than a repeating monthly subscription makes a lot of sense. It wouldn't be feasible for Drawabox, however, simply because offering critiques and keeping the lessons and website up-to-date would no longer be a worthwhile endeavour. The reason things are set up this way is because it never started as an exchange of money for critiques. From the time I started all of this in August 2014, through the start of the patreon campaign in March 2015, all the way to October 2016, I did all the critiques for free. The money people offered was both to support the website and the changes I made to the content regularly to make it easier to understand and gradually craft it from something crude to something vastly more polished (something I continue to do, especially with the tens if not hundreds of hours I poured into rebuilding the website and restructuring/rewriting all of the lesson content for the recent update a month ago). I gave enormous amounts of content away for free, and a subset of those who used it gave their money in return in order to keep the resource available and growing for everyone. Inevitably the critiques became too much - even on vacation when I was visiting my family I was spending hours doing critiques. That's ultimately when the critiques themselves received a $3 pay wall, to reduce the overwhelming workload I was encountering at the time. The patreon was still there to support the project as a whole and the resources that I was producing for everyone, and even today there is a significant portion of students who either pledge more than the minimum they need to in order to receive the critiques they receive, as well as a large chunk of people who pledge without asking for critiques at all (of course, some of these are simply asking for nothing more than the free lessons, and others intend to but never get around to finishing the work). Now there obviously already is the issue that because the critique tiers have existed for so long, the perception is obviously shifting for some people to the exchange being strictly for the critique itself (because after all, one can access the lessons without parting with a dime). If I were to lean into this perception, I'd have to pin down what the lessons as a whole and their continued updating/maintenance, along with the management of the community as a whole and the fielding of daily questions (ranging from the lessons to the next step one should take towards their intended career) is actually worth, and then bundle that into the cost of each critique. The result would be a far higher bar and a significant decrease in accessibility and a stunting of the growth of the community as a whole. After all, while the subreddit and discord communities are far from perfect, they do benefit from the fact that those who get their work critiqued in an "official" capacity often go on to help those who can't afford to. That's why I keep things at least somewhat vague - it gives others the room to determine for themselves how much they value the work I've put in, and the work I continue to put in, without me having to force it upon them. Anyway, this explanation has gotten quite lengthy. I don't want to come off as though I don't appreciate your support up to this point, and so I will say this: considering how much you've offered, regardless of whether you maintain a pledge of whatever tier, or if you decide to cancel even today, you can reach out to me (I'm not sure if non-patrons can message me via patreon, so alternatively my email is listed in the footer of the drawabox website) whenever you finish lesson 1. I can't feasibly extend that to every lesson (otherwise everyone who's supported drawabox in the past could come clamouring to me), but at the very least you can receive an official critique for the first one, whether you're pledged at the time or not. And of course, that goes for anyone who's been a long-term supporter who's accumulated a considerable total. Admittedly this may well undermine the additional motivation of a deadline, but don't forget that motivation should not really be a factor in whether or not you choose to sit down and work (as I explain in this article: <a href="https://drawabox.com/article/motivation." rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://drawabox.com/article/motivation</a>).

Uncomfortable

I have to say I don't like the changes to the tiers. I think it might make sense to just charge per critique, but that would only help with people who submit too much, it may not have any affect on the overall number. I've been a patron since February 2017, and I've happily contributed what little money I could spare. I currently only give $3 a month, I had to drop from 5 after a year, and I have yet to get a critique (entirely my fault, I just haven't been doing the exercises with any regularity and I'm not ready to submit), but I have been getting more serious about drawing lately and hope to be able to submit the HW soon. With this change though, I have until March 1st to submit or I can't get a critique despite the $102 I've given, but somebody who was never a patron before can just sign up for February, get 2 critiques with their $5, and then cancel their pledge until they are ready to submit HW for 3 and 4. I know that it's my fault I haven't been doing the lessons, but I never minded because I like what you're doing and wanted to support you and I knew that all I had to do was get off my butt and finish lesson 1 to get the HW critiqued. The March 1st deadline might help me focus on completing lesson 1 finally, but after that I have to up my pledge $2. At this point it makes more sense for me to cancel my pledge and only pledge when I need a critique. It feels bad that my $3 a month is no longer good enough, and my $102 over 2 years is worth less than some new patron’s $5. If you just charged a fee per critique, and that price went up, it’d be fine; that would just mean that I missed out on the lower price, but I wouldn’t be out any money. Maybe a critique credit system would be a good idea; like for every $5 somebody has given you they get a credit, and use one every critique, but I don’t know how easy it is to find the total a patron has given you. I think I’ll stick around for February and try to get lesson 1 done finally, but as things stand that will probably be my last month. Sorry for the long post, but I had to say my 2 cents.

Jason Neill

Hahaha, you and me both.

Uncomfortable

Looks great! Best of luck with the new direction! Still amazed on how this community is growing

Gio Wong

Thanks! I'm glad the plan sounds reasonable, and I'm really looking forward to the ways that this can expand in the future, ultimately working to the benefit of everyone involved.

Uncomfortable

This sounds like a good way to tackle the growing community and demand for feedback! The way I see it, you've put up all the content, and it's just not realistic to have a freely accessible resource (which means potentially thousands of students!) managed by one person. I hope the TA system works out! Awesome work as always, Draw a Box is such a great contribution to the art community and the sharing of knowledge worldwide!

Chrys


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