DBZ: POLL
Added 2025-02-11 15:55:26 +0000 UTCHow strong do you think Lord Slug is?
Since Goku had to use the False Super Saiyan form to overpower Lord Slug, we can confidently say that Slug was weaker than Frieza. But the real question is—by how much?
Some people claim that Goku used Kaioken x100 against Slug, but according to Kanzenshuu forums (source: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/rumor/goku-kaio-ken-x100/ ) this was never stated in the original script. And logically, that makes sense—if False Super Saiyan was enough to overpower Slug, a Kaioken x100 would have annihilated him outright. Not only that, but it would’ve likely killed Goku in the process. Even if he somehow survived, it would undermine the significance of Super Saiyan, making the transformation feel far less impactful, at least in terms of power.
So, if we disregard the Kaioken x100 misconception and base our assessment on other factors—how strong do you think Lord Slug was at his prime?
If we assume Goku was as strong as he was on Namek, aka, 3,000,000. The FALSE SSJ multiplier would've put him around 75,000,000.
Comments
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Anthony Maxwell
2025-02-15 03:04:03 +0000 UTCAh, that's probably right. But i think my argument still holds since he would have access to Kaioken vs Slug too
Torrent
2025-02-15 03:01:27 +0000 UTCPretty sure goku power level when he arrived on namek was around 90,000 to 95,000. I think you might be thinking of the Captain Ginyu fight where Goku Powers up to 180,000 using the kaioken as he says kaioken right before he starts powering up. Pretty sure he was trying to bluff Captain Ginyu out of fighting him and leaving the planet. A video of it https://youtu.be/OkxOO3n4z9Q?si=3r1IKOZFAMRg3wuW He says kaioken at about 50 seconds into the video.
Anthony Maxwell
2025-02-15 02:59:44 +0000 UTCSo this was always my thoughts on this. Let me know what you think. It was said somewhere that movie villains were always stronger then the current villian running in the show. Lord slug came out right after 2nd form Frieza. My logic was goku in the movie was the power level when he first arrived on namek. That's 90K. That times the FSS x 25 multiplier. Puts him at 2.25 M. Which would make him stronger then second form Frieza and weaker then third form Frieza. He can't be stronger then final form Frieza and making him stronger when not powering up kinda breaks all of the other movie villian themes. This was the only thing thst made sense to my head cannon.
Revan009
2025-02-12 01:12:42 +0000 UTCMost official forums. Not to say all, consider him weaker than Frieza. Mostly due to how an incomplete SSJ owned him. And the kaioken defeated him.
DocTock
2025-02-11 23:17:40 +0000 UTCLook at this https://www.quora.com/It-was-officially-stated-that-Slug-himself-is-stronger-than-Frieza-but-how-about-The-Slug-Army-vs-The-Frieza-Army
Thatssus Winnerboy
2025-02-11 23:16:19 +0000 UTCThe funniest part of this is that lord slug came out before freezer, while the freezer saga was happening and was supposed to take place after it, and false super saiyan was just supposed to be a regular one, the animators just never saw one before either
Zahid Aslam
2025-02-11 20:17:45 +0000 UTC10% is reasonable but his maximum should be somewhere between 10% & 25%
jon dumey
2025-02-11 17:19:31 +0000 UTCP.S. the x100 Kaioken was dub only
AzulSora
2025-02-11 17:12:45 +0000 UTCFun Fact! False SS was originally meant to be just SS but Toriyama only gave the writers "Spiked Hair and Gold Aura" which was prob the original concept with Gold being added to help his editors so they didn’t have to waste time inking in the hair. Due to the above, I run with the intent of Slug being at 100M with FSS being a x50. Tho since that doesn't show on the poll and all I'll stick with the closest of 60M
AzulSora
2025-02-11 17:10:56 +0000 UTCI doubt 50% maybe 25% in giant form, I think 10% might be a bit high for base form. Twice as strong as post ginyu goku. But Torrent makes a pretty good point.
ABThe2ndG
2025-02-11 16:24:08 +0000 UTCThis also explain why Lord Slug didn't appear in the main timeline. He came to earth to use the dragon balls for eternal youth. He probably knew that Piccolo and Kami died, so the dragon balls on earth were inert. By the time they were revived, Goku defeated Frieza, rumors probably spread around the galaxy about that so he avoided earth cause he knew he couldn't defeat goku.
Torrent
2025-02-11 16:12:23 +0000 UTCThat makes sense.
DocTock
2025-02-11 16:06:25 +0000 UTCSo, all the original dragon ball z movies took place in an Alternate Universe. I remember someone saying that the lord Slug movie took place if Goku had hurried up and fought with Nappa and Vegeta before literally everyone died, thus having our main characters alive and with no trip to Namek. So this happened instead of the Namek trip. It would make Goku's base state much weaker since he didn't do the gravity training, nor did he have the Zenkai from the Ginyu fight. His power level when he first arrived on Namek was 150,000 but that's due to the gravity training he did on the spaceship. Let's say the Zenkai boost from his Saiyan fight increase his base power level by a lot (it was 5000, so probably became 15,000) and further training probably increased it too. The highest he would have at this point would be about 50,000. So false super saiyan would give him a power level of 1.25 million. I'd wager Lord Slug is about 1 million or less in terms of power level
Torrent
2025-02-11 16:04:50 +0000 UTCThe original script never mentions he's stronger than Frieza. Aka, the Japanese script.
DocTock
2025-02-11 15:57:37 +0000 UTCi would say 50% edit: 15,000,000 would still be 25% stronger amd its clearly visible that slug has about as much combat expirience as freeza but not his abilitie to learn and adapt.
Phillip K
2025-02-11 15:56:58 +0000 UTCThat was in the dub. Never trust the dub.
DocTock
2025-02-11 15:56:58 +0000 UTCThey state lord slug in his prime is stronger than frieza
Thatssus Winnerboy
2025-02-11 15:56:37 +0000 UTC
