X2 (Full Reaction)
Added 2024-03-06 20:45:21 +0000 UTCAs we dive deeper into the X-Men world, things get more intense! A new villain named Stryker is introduced...and I got him confused with Strucker from the MCU. 😂 I thought this was the same guy who was a Hydra terrorist. Whoops! Stryker (not Strucker) starts a full-out assault on Professor Xavier's school.
Watched on: Disney+ / 2:14:48
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I was never interested in reading the comics, so most of my Marvel knowledge comes from movies, TV shows, or my dad's rants about how inaccurate one or the other is at random times. My dad says that the X-Men comics were often tied up in messages about racism, sexism, homophobia and the like. Mutants were the minority stand-in for those types of stories. I know that these are heated issues for some, so I will keep what I have to say brief and hopefully non-incendiary. I just found some of your commentary during the scene with Bobby and his family interesting. I was born in 2003, so I know that I was lucky enough to grow up in a time when it's way better to be LGBTQ+ than it was even just a few decades ago when these movies came out. But that whole scene always struck me as a pretty on-the-nose commentary about coming out to family as gay. Almost absurd enough to feel like a parody of it. It's entirely possible that my view of the whole scene is colored by my own experience and identity, so I'm hardly an objective observer. But two things you said stuck out to me (not in a bad way or anything... this is NOT a criticism of you or your reaction, I promise). You mentioned that thinking Bobby was one way and then discovering that he'd been lying for years and how that would impact a parent. It works both ways though. Bobby was hiding who he was out of fear of how his family would react to knowing the truth. All he did was tell them the truth about who he is and stop lying to them. And yet there would certainly be some parents out there who would vilify their mutant child just for wanting to be who they are without hiding. If we assume that the mutant experience is similar to the LGBTQ+ experience in some ways, surely there are stories of mutants being disowned by family, or even met with ridicule or physical violence. Which I mention because it leads to the second thing: You also mentioned that it was a conversation that should have been held privately. Which is a fair thing to think from an outside perspective. However, given how mutants are treated by the public at large in that world, it would make sense for a young mutant kid to want someone with them that they trust to support them and have their back if things go bad (emotionally or physically). It's the same reason why sometimes queer youth come out to their parents with a close friend, a counselor, or other person there for moral support. As I said, totally fair to view it as something that should have been handled privately, but maybe Bobby didn't feel safe enough to have that conversation without support. Possibly with good reason... his own brother DID call the police on them. (Although on a side note, in the movie, Bobby's friends might have been there for moral support, but both John and Logan were decidedly antagonistic in the moment, which is kind of the opposite of the supportive influence Bobby probably needed). This is just my personal opinion, but in that situation, being Bobby's support would ideally mean being there, but keeping your own feelings the heck out of the situation. Rogue's input: Supporting Bobby, encouraging his parents to see him as special, being calm and non-combative, giving him a hand to hold should he need it... That's good support for the situation. Flipping a lighter open and closed, inserting snide comments, sneering at the family's reactions like John, or challenging them openly to speak freely like Logan ("What Mutant PROBLEM?" I dare you to say it, is what I got out of that). Not so helpful. Anyway, those two moments stuck out to me in your commentary. Both are entirely valid thoughts to have about the whole situation. And my first instinct with both was a knee-jerk disagreement. But to be fair, there's two realities at play making things awkward either way. And my own experience on the other side of the coin of course presents its own bias. So, I just wanted to present the thinking that might have been at play for Bobby and his friends there as well. My Eyeroll moment of the whole scene: "Have you tried... NOT being a mutant?" Seriously, I cringe at that line every time I watch this. I get the intent of it (I think), trying to toss in a moment of levity over the absurdity of it, but... ugh... I cringe SO HARD every time... Anyway, so much for me being brief. But hopefully the second thing, me not trying to provoke anyone, I managed to succeed at. I debate commenting about things like this (or mental health issues, or ableism in issues involving physical disability) because as someone who has personally lived most of my life with all three and is passionate about these issues, I know that they can provoke some nasty arguments. And that's not what any of us are here for. We follow you to enjoy some movies and discussion of movies, and to watch you get to experience them for the first time, as unspoiled and authentic as anyone can possibly get in the internet age. And believe me, at least in my eyes, you are providing exactly what we're here for. Nothing I said is intended as criticism. So, I do apologize if any portion of my comment offends not only you, but anyone else who reads it. Because trying to start arguments or stir up unpleasantness was certainly not part of my intentions. I do not and never will apologize for believing what I believe about the topics I'm passionate about, but that's not what your Patreon or your content in general is about. We're here for fun and entertainment, and if any context I add based on my convictions threatens to spoil the fun, that's not my intent, and I do apologize for the result in such a case. I've been happy to be here since I joined. I certainly don't want to spoil the vibe. I hope you're all having a good day! 🫶
BubblyRainbows
2024-03-11 03:19:49 +0000 UTCI agree with you about Nightcrawler's assault on the White House being one of the best movie openings ever. No spoilers, but whether you like the movie or not, the "Star Trek" movie with Chris Pine is another one that opens with a sequence that is just incredible. For some reason, when people talk about memorable openings, those two are always the first to come to my mind.
BubblyRainbows
2024-03-11 02:27:21 +0000 UTCHey! We're one step closer to Deadpool, and I'm excited. Regardless of what people may say about XMen Origins Wolverine, Just have fun and don't take it too seriously.
Doug Watson
2024-03-08 15:59:51 +0000 UTCMomentum is a silly thing that makes no sense. Everyone knows that if you're on a crashing plane or a falling elevator, you just have to jump up right before impact to completely avoid injury. So, Nightcrawler could just jump upward right before he teleports, and all his falling problems are solved! 😁 (And that's all a joke, btw. I love making arguments like that with many of my friends and family just to watch them tear their hair out over the absurdity of it. I see no reason why I shouldn't do the same to anyone who reads this. 😉 Also, fun fact: If you were on a falling object passing by a stationary one, you could just safely step off onto the stationary surface to save yourself! Source: Trust me, Bro!)
BubblyRainbows
2024-03-08 14:08:50 +0000 UTCSeveral of them have, but to be honest almost every hero of consequence in Marvel comics was on one Avengers team or another at some point :)
Patrick Egan
2024-03-07 18:48:37 +0000 UTCI think this remains my favorite X-Men movie. The story is excellent, the action is well done, and the message it sends is a powerful one. Nightcrawler has always been one of my favorite X-Men, and I think they did a good job bringing him to life. His attack on the White House is still one of the best movie openings ever :) Unfortunately, in my opinion the franchise goes way down from here. Even Days Of Future Past, which a lot of people love, didn't thrill me. The one exception is 2017's Logan, which I can't wait to see your reaction to. Until then, I may have to be content with your Stranger Things reactions. But they're wonderful, so I don't mind :)
Patrick Egan
2024-03-07 18:43:01 +0000 UTCto be fair, I think a lot of X-Men have done stints as Avengers, so you don't have to choose if you don't want to :)
Steve J
2024-03-07 15:38:49 +0000 UTCThe Sword in the Stone is my favorite Disney movie! I love in this movie that we see Erik reading The Once & Future King first in his prison cell and at the end Charles is telling the students about it. It just shows us a little more of the connection Charles & Erik have.
CheshireKat528
2024-03-07 13:40:13 +0000 UTCWould of made the movie 3 hours lol but I wouldn’t complain
Alex Gonzalez
2024-03-07 12:32:15 +0000 UTCYay! A nice birthday surprise for me! Loving your reactions tothese movies. IT was great finally being able to see Logan really go to town with his claws since they couldn't really do that in the first movie, though that will get kicked up about 100x in a future movie! You also picked a great time to watch the X-Men movies since they are almost all up on Disney+ now and many of them haven't up until recently. And the one missing is now available on Max, which is kinda weird, but at least they're all up somewhere! There is also a really funny blooper where Jean shows up for the White House scene late and you hear Logan tell her he saved her a spot next to him, but she tells him that she'd rather stand with Scott and everyone else starts laughing.
Ed Scoglio
2024-03-07 10:43:00 +0000 UTCI liked this movie for the most part. One thing that always baffled me, however, was how they just glossed over how every human being on the entire planet was incapacitated for several minutes. When you think about all the people on the road driving cars, taking public transportation, on airplanes. Just those examples alone would have killed thousands of people at a minimum. This would have been no less than a global catastrophe. I felt like they should have addressed the consequences of what happened better.
BigBullyBusick
2024-03-07 05:54:41 +0000 UTCas a kid, watching the newer X-Men cartoons, not the classic ones, which I seen a loved. but the newer series that introduced Nightcrawler. who quickly became my favourite. so when the introduced this MOVIE with him and his awesome powers, this became goated, in my eyes! and also Hugh turned his character up a notch with his action scenes and subtle but great acting.
Mister Lou
2024-03-07 05:18:32 +0000 UTCDearest Jax, you’d ADORE ‘Once and Future King,” please add it to your reading list. The very old Disney movie, ‘The Sword and the Stone,’ is based on it. It tells the story of the origins of King Arthur, his knights and Merlin.
Lamar Smith
2024-03-07 02:22:34 +0000 UTCWho here thinks this movie missed a golden opportunity? Is there anyone who wouldn’t adore watching Logan, thinking he’s a 6 year old girl, getting his/her hair braided? Nightcrawler in this movie is a bit more powerful than in the comments. He has the same limitation, he can’t teleport blind however, in the comic they make a point that momentum is conserved even through a teleport. He can teleport to grab someone in the air and teleport them back down to the ground……. where both would squish, still moving the same speed down as they were going before he teleported. It’s been so long since I’ve read the comics but I don’t recall him ever teleporting more than a few people. Think Iron Man 3 where everyone’s falling from Air Force One. Jarvis tells him there are 11 falling and he can only carry around 7. That seems in line from my recollection. In the comics, as well, teleporting others somewhat stuns or discombobulates his passengers but there is a sort of “gets used to it” effect. One more go at your Avengers/X-Men dilemma. How familiar are you with ‘The Iliad?’ There’s a Trojan Princess, Cassandra, who was given the power to foretell the future by one of the gods, only to anger that god, somehow. The god couldn’t take the power back but made it so no one ever believed her prophecies which she was cursed to always speak truthfully. In other words, she had a great power which was useless because she was always ignored. The X-Men are a little like that: no matter how many times they save humanity, how many good deeds they perform, they’re still destined to be hated and feared.
Lamar Smith
2024-03-07 02:19:02 +0000 UTCSo, your X-Men vs Avengers dilemma is fascinating. As an X-Man, you’d have to go with the black leather. As an Avenger, it seems you’d get creative liberty to design your own costume. What would you imagine your superhero outfit would look like? Sure, sure, sure, it’d draw its inspiration from whatever your powers were, but what would be the, I guess, aesthetic you’d go for? Not a few women over the decades have noticed that, as these comics were all drawn by men, the women’s outfits aren’t exactly….. how shall I put this?….. necessarily what women would choose for themselves? It didn’t all go men’s way in the superhero world. I recall seeing an interview with some of the female Avengers noticing that, early in filming, ALL of the men were complaining that their superhero outfits were uncomfortably tight, the high heels added to their boots to give them height made them stumble about and the women’s response was “Welcome to our world every day!”
Lamar Smith
2024-03-06 23:28:47 +0000 UTCA few others not named but in the movie, the girl who shrieked is probably Theresa Cassidy (Siryn) daughter of Banshee, the girl who walk through wall is Katherinee Pryde (Shadowcat). Stryker's son Jason have similar power to Jason Wyngarde (Mastermind) a mutant who worked with Magneto in the comics.
David Bourgeois
2024-03-06 23:28:43 +0000 UTCOkay! I will check them soon! ♥️
Jacqueline
2024-03-06 23:14:51 +0000 UTCInteresting reaction.🙏🏾
TheEbonyElephant
2024-03-06 23:07:08 +0000 UTCDearest Jax, as to your X-Men/Avengers dilemma, all I can say is you should very graciously but very firmly turn down an invitation to join ‘X-Force.’ You’ll see!
Lamar Smith
2024-03-06 21:56:04 +0000 UTCThis film is based on one of my favourite X-Men stories called X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills a graphic novel published in 1982. The comic is very dark opening with the death of two Mutant children who are then hung from a swing with a sign reading "Mutant". They're discovered by Magneto and put to rest. Amazing read and one I highly recommend picking up. William Stryker plays a massive part in this storyline being his introduction and the one behind these Mutant killings and is even a religious fanatic in this storyline something not featured in the film. Professor X like the film is tricked/forced into killing all mutants after being captured by Stryker and stuck into a machine. The X-Men then team up with Magneto to save Charles an element also featured in the film. Nightcrawler is a amazing character introduced in Giant Sized X-Men #1 (1975) a comic that brought the X-Men back after a 5 years hiatus. This comic also introduced Storm, Wolverine, Banshee, Colossus, and Thunderbird as a new generation of X-Men. The original X-Men members were Cyclops, Marvel Girl also known as Jean Grey, Beast, Angel, and Iceman. The new team of X-Men were actually formed by Professor X so they could rescue the original team. Side note but Wolverine was introduced a year before Giant Sized X-Men #1 making his first appearance in The Incredible Hulk #180 (1974) as someone hired by the Canadian government to stop the Hulk from crossing into Canada. Most people don't even know that Wolverine made his first appearance in a Hulk comic so there's a fun little connection to the greater Marvel universe. Storm, Colossus, and Thunderbird though all made their first appearances in Giant Sized X-Men #1 (1975) with Wolverine and Banshee being the only two pre-existing characters. The man who can turn his skin to Metal is Colossus a Russian mutant introduced in Giant-Size X-Men #1 as well but only got a small role in this film. There's also the young Pyro, St. John Allerdyce who first appeared in The Uncanny X-Men #141 (1981) a member of Brotherhood of Mutants. We do see Jubilation (Jubilee) Lee as well the young Asian mutant with a very colourful blue coat over a pink shirt. She first appeared in the The Uncanny X-Men #244 (1989) and plays a big part in Generation X a spin off from the main X-Men consisted of teenage mutants. Jubilee was also an important character in the X-Men Animated Series (1994) being the main focus of the first episode and story arc. So most X-Men fans growing up would know Jubilee extremally well so naturally alot of us were a little disappointed that she was a background in this film. She was one of the students rescued by Storm, She even called her Jubilee as well. Jubilee would also show up again at the end of the film during Charles little talk about The Once And Future King, same Novel Magneto was reading in prison. And finally Lady Deathstrike, Yuriko Oyama who is the Asian woman we see with the adamantium nails. She first appeared as Yuriko Oyama in Daredevil #197 (1983) and later as Lady Deathstrike in Alpha Flight #33 (1986). Alpha Flight is actually Canada's answer to The Avengers only difference being there a Canadian superhero team made up of Canadian Superhero's. So with this character you can really see how the greater Marvel universes comes into play. We have her showing up in a Daredevil comic, iconic street level New York hero akin to Spider-Man. Shes also a member of Alpha Flight the Canadian Avengers who have connections with Wolverine and in general were a reaction to the creation of The Avengers.
LittleGalaxyBoy
2024-03-06 21:40:32 +0000 UTCVery nice!
Wreath35
2024-03-06 21:34:03 +0000 UTCSome of the best worst villains are the cowardly ones like Stryker whose underlings are also victims. He messed with their minds and controlled them like puppets, including his own son and Lady Deathstrike. In my opinion, Storm, Nightcrawler, and Iceman were the highlights of this film. However, I also need to acknowledge Colossus. He's the mutant who can turn his whole body into metal, and he helped the students evacuate the mansion. I’m actually familiar with another version of Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler through a cartoon I grew up watching called X-Men: Evolution. In the series, he was adopted by a German couple when he was just a baby. Years later, he moves to the Xavier Institute as a teenager. He even goes to high school with some of the X-Men.
Aldo Gonzales
2024-03-06 20:57:11 +0000 UTC"Stryker"?! That seems most ungentlemanly! :-P
Happy Hanukkah
2024-03-06 20:48:02 +0000 UTCDearest Jax, seriously no hurry. Check your messages. We’re both SO excited.
Lamar Smith
2024-03-06 20:46:12 +0000 UTC
