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Do Not Use the iOS App Store to Sub to Patreon

These changes only affect new subscriptions, so maybe the existing subscriber list is not the ideal audience for this PSA, but it's worth spreading the word as far as possible about Apple's forced enshittification of Patreon. Starting sometime in November (not sure when as it's rolling out slowly to different accounts), Apple is extorting an additional 30% off the top of every Patreon sub made through its iOS App Store, offering absolutely nothing in return. For comparison, Patreon itself only take 5–8% of subs (and another 5% to the credit card processor), meaning Apple is taking up to SIX TIMES AS MUCH money as Patreon for, again, doing absolutely nothing besides making the process more difficult for creators and subscribers. Apple is enforcing a 75-day delay period on payments from these subs before they reach artists. Artists are no longer allowed to give direct refunds on subs that have been made through the App Store, meaning subscribers will have to deal with whatever byzantine, capricious dogshit customer service Apple provides, and there's nothing we can do about it.

Even if you're on iPhone or iPad, you can use your exact same account on your exact same device, subscribe on web, and avoid all these fees and penalties entirely. All you need to do is avoid the App Store itself.

I know some people are disappointed in Patreon CEO Jack Conte for caving to Apple's extortionary pressure but I have sympathy for his choice given that it puts him in a difficult spot either way (cave to extortion vs. de-list the app). To his credit, I really believe he cares about artists and subscribers, and he's got a philosophy of the internet that is far fairer and healthier than anyone else running any major platform today. I still think Patreon is the best platform out there, it's just sad and frustrating to see Apple do everything it can to make it worse.

Again this only affects new subs through the iOS App Store going forward but I think it's still valuable for everyone to know about this. Especially because Apple explicitly forbids Patreon from giving this advice itself! Hopefully longtime subscriber Lina Kahn is reading this and will be motivated to eviscerate Apple, Meta, Google, Amazon, etc more swiftly and bring some semblance of fairness to this dumb deregulated shithole country.

Comments

I hate it here… 😒

Brooke

Anyone who tries to turn the free and open potential of technology into a cult should never be trusted. And thats all apple have ever done. Oh, our special computers are made of special parts, and use a special os, you can't just upgrade it, you have to buy the new special box and throw out the old one cos its yucky now, and also our special box is now a tiny music player, wait now its a big tablet thing, oh now its a phone, also you can only use our special plugs and we are going to change those all the time. You're right, that 5mm input is a bit too universal, lets get rid of it so you have to use our special air pods. WE ARE NOT A CULT THIS IS NOT CULT BEHAVIOUR HOW DARE YOU

ToddUmptious

the fuck

Eric Adams

Also about 1/3 of the Apple engineers I’ve ever met have said “Oh, I work for a little fruit stand down in Cupertino.” GREAT people there

Rizzle Me Elmo

I was at a STEM education event one time and Tim Cook was the guest speaker. During the Q&A, a 9 year old kid walked up to the microphone and asked “Umm hi Steve Jobs, can I have an iPhone?” I liked that.

Rizzle Me Elmo

I don't know anyone that uses Apple, but I'm always ready in case you guys need to start a militia.

Tess

That's amazing Patreon has held out this long against Apple honestly. The platform I use lets me turn off IOS from preferences so people are forced to pay through web browser or Play Store. Hopefully Patreon implements that for you soon, so insane Apple gets away with it.

Bobby Volcano

Get their asses

Asher Christl


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