law / OA860: Goodbye

It's fun to come back to this thread a month and a half later, see how all of the gloom and doom predictions never actually came to pass. OA patron subs are up 50% over the high water mark of PAT/Liz's reign of terror, Thomas is regularly posting content on schedule, and the new format is working great so far. Sorry to all of the Very Mad People, but channeling your feelings into wishcasting failure hasn't seemed to work out, which is great for those of us who have always loved OA.

Jason Foley

2024-03-13 20:20:59 +0000 UTC

That was gross, Liz. Peace out.

SlightlyAskewSince1982

2024-02-24 22:05:46 +0000 UTC

We can finally listen to this show again!

Section B

2024-02-14 18:20:13 +0000 UTC

I wonder where the lunch mob wound up going for food

Corrigible (OA Live Show New Orleans)

2024-02-12 18:17:17 +0000 UTC

Bye, Felicia

Jeremy Smith

2024-02-11 20:21:04 +0000 UTC

Some of us will miss you, good luck, I listen to your other podcast now

Matt Moulder

2024-02-10 23:25:19 +0000 UTC

I would like to point out that Andrew also had his own candidate for receiver whom the judge rejected. Rumor is because his candidate had no podcasting experience at all and Yvette (aka Scibabe) has her own podcast business, and she is bound to court order to do what’s best for the business, not Thomas.

Richard Stifle

2024-02-09 19:02:20 +0000 UTC

Listened to this out of curiosity. I’d forgotten what Andrew sounded like entirely, and now I have to forget all over again. I do hope the best for Liz.

Richard Stifle

2024-02-09 18:55:35 +0000 UTC

Will never understand how you can support AT. Being against anti trans bullshit… good on you. Hopefully, that person has grown and understands she was wrong just like Thomas has been. AT handled this sooooooooo wrong.

Kameron Jackson

2024-02-08 21:51:00 +0000 UTC

@Bruce King: OA had over 4k patrons before Andrew's sex pest behavior became public. Then they plummeted down to about 1k and have stayed there since. I don't think Thomas needs to worry too much about the sub numbers. Source: https://graphtreon.com/creator/law

Help, I'm trapped in a podcast factory!

2024-02-08 20:57:38 +0000 UTC

Andrew's shtick of being a sex pest was fine by you, though?

Help, I'm trapped in a podcast factory!

2024-02-08 20:31:15 +0000 UTC

Bye, Felicia.

Jason Foley

2024-02-08 14:55:47 +0000 UTC

The pattern is undoubtedly part of the bundle of sticks that's being argued right now. I'm not surprised it's radio silence, but I hope someone inside is kind enough to update the supporters

No longer the longest name in patreon, but still quite long. Brevity is the sou

2024-02-06 23:58:45 +0000 UTC

Thanks a lot Thomas, you have stunk it up again. This radio silence sucks. I am not saying I know it is Thomas’s fault what I am saying is I am blaming him.

Timothy F Sharp

2024-02-06 13:26:11 +0000 UTC

Yeah, the radio silence is weird. Any word from Andrew would be appreciated.

Nixon665

2024-02-06 11:04:09 +0000 UTC

Is this the end of the show?

Chad McJannett

2024-02-05 15:54:27 +0000 UTC

I'm fine with host shuffling. I just wish there was some update of some sort other than radio silence after Liz said goodbye.

Brian M

2024-02-03 22:20:07 +0000 UTC

I'm with this guy, c'mon.

No longer the longest name in patreon, but still quite long. Brevity is the sou

2024-02-03 22:10:12 +0000 UTC

Is this THE Teresa Gomez? Paragraph break. I'm tired of the drama, I'm tired of being left in the dark. I'm only a listener, I can't imagine what you're going through trying to herd the cats known as white male drama queens. Paragraph break. I felt conclusions were inappropriately jumped to in the first round of drama, and I feel the same is happening here, I'm still about 3 weeks behind on the podcast, I always have been. I'll subscribe to law and chaos, I'll keep an ear tuned to this channel as well, but if the great minds of Reddit have any influence on it's outcome, let's say I don't have much hope. I got banned from that subreddit for trying to quell the reaction, I got banned for calling out the mods for stoking the fire, some of those mods also started to take over the knowledge fight subreddit, I got banned from there for saying they shouldn't have any part in it after they handled last February. I left Reddit after that. I'm nervous for what comes next, but the left needs a legal analysis podcast, and I hope Andrew finds a place to inform us going forward, a place unadultered by the new R-word, redditors, and the legal drama brought by average white people who think they throw more weight than they do.

No longer the longest name in patreon, but still quite long. Brevity is the sou

2024-02-03 22:03:48 +0000 UTC

I became a patron because of Liz and to support Andrew as the show moved away from Thomas. I’ll stay with OA thru Feb if Andrew remains as regular host, otherwise I’m out. Either way, I’m going to pitch in for Liz to support her new show.

Anthony Carroll

2024-02-01 22:02:58 +0000 UTC

There is freedom within, there is freedom without. Try to catch the deluge in a paper cup There's a battle ahead, many battles are lost But you'll never see the end of the road While you're travelling with me Hey now, hey now. Don't dream. It's over. (Apologies to crowded house for misappropriation of lyrics)

--Jonathan--

2024-02-01 17:56:05 +0000 UTC

Liz has the substack (and, now podcast) "Law and Chaos".

rocketcityderby.com

2024-02-01 15:06:55 +0000 UTC

So I am out. It’s obvious Andrew is don’t with the show.

ByTor ate the Snowdog

2024-02-01 02:10:33 +0000 UTC

I guess I am not going to one day find out I paid for a Thomas Legal episode. Frankly, he rarely knew anything about what was going on. He led a lunch mob against Andrew and it’s unforgettable.

ByTor ate the Snowdog

2024-02-01 02:09:55 +0000 UTC

Wait so Andrew is out as well? I haven’t been keeping up with the litigation re the pod. Did cry baby win?

Foster B.

2024-01-31 19:50:13 +0000 UTC

Andrew / Anyone…. What the Dickens is going on? No official explanation? Just a sad goodbye from Liz? I’m going to have to cancel my Patrion until there’s an explanation as to WTF is happening.

Christine Ingleton

2024-01-31 01:43:58 +0000 UTC

Hey Liz, I really enjoyed your wit, and that you're leaving OA is terrible news for me. I wish you well and CAN'T WAIT for your podcast!

G-GEGO

2024-01-30 16:07:15 +0000 UTC

I don’t think it’s over…. Andrew still has great insight and we ( well, i do humbly) need him to explain the law so i can understand it! Man… i sure hope it’s not over

C’mon

2024-01-29 20:29:47 +0000 UTC

What on earth??? Bummer!

C’mon

2024-01-29 20:27:00 +0000 UTC

Will OA come back? If so when? And Andrew, I agree with you re: The cranberries!

Susan Vil-tray-kis

2024-01-29 19:16:29 +0000 UTC

If Thomas is in, I'm out. I was sick of his schtick before the whole accusation chaos, and only came back with Liz on the show. Best of luck Andrew and Liz, hope to hear you again down the road.

The Running Knitter

2024-01-29 16:53:30 +0000 UTC

So, no Monday episode. Are we to presume that the podcast is over? I don’t want to cancel my Patreon “early” but I also don’t want to start paying for somebody else’s podcast - I subscribed for Andrew & Liz, not for the amorphous entity that controls OA. 🤷‍♂️

Aaron Mischler

2024-01-29 16:22:12 +0000 UTC

Probably an unpopular opinion here, but I loved having Thomas on the pod because I'm no lawyer and he asked the questions I didn't even know I had. For what that's worth.

Erin Hutton

2024-01-29 15:38:14 +0000 UTC

Please let me know if you and Andrew appear elsewhere. Sad to go but will see you and the dogs in FB. Thanks again for all you do.

ByTor ate the Snowdog

2024-01-29 15:25:10 +0000 UTC

Thanks for all you did for the podcast TG.

Timothy F Sharp

2024-01-29 13:24:01 +0000 UTC

Well! So very much appreciated Liz! Smart, articulate, insightful, informative and her ability to break down all this so very complicated legal manipulation of Trumpism help this layperson maintain some perspective. She balanced Andrew which is added proof that two heads are always best. Will have to continue to follow her on Substack but will very much miss her voice!

Constance Ripp

2024-01-28 17:11:39 +0000 UTC

So, when do we find out what is going to happen?

George P. Burdell

2024-01-28 14:42:57 +0000 UTC

i don't think that either thomas or scibabe have figured out that the folks who are still on patreon for oa are either andrew fans, liz fans or content fans or some combination of those three, plus folks who like the subject matter and don't care much about who presents it. so if thomas comes back there's a fair chance that the patreon numbers drop significantly instantly. having no content will do that, too, but just not as fast. When you want to know what will happen with generic OA listeners who subscribe to a mostly-thomas show, look at what happened with SIO. Huge jump in subscribers Jan of 23, mostly OA folks, and a slow bleed of them - 1500 in jan 2023 to around 1000 jan 2024 and the trend is steady. Thomas is not able to produce content that OA listeners will stick with. Folks who want to listen to thomas have plenty of opportunity to do that. Folks who want to listen to andrew? Not many options right now.

Bruce King

2024-01-28 07:16:23 +0000 UTC

Yeah her own podcast.

CutePhoton

2024-01-28 04:26:55 +0000 UTC

slaps knee welp... Guess it's time to head out

Very legal, very cool

2024-01-27 23:58:21 +0000 UTC

Based on Scibabe and Thomas’ Reddit comments and posts it’s clear that they intend to put Smith back on the pod. The fact that Scibabe is gathering ideas for the show from Reddit shows she has no idea what to do. That Reddit is mostly Thomas supporters. Some of them genuinely want Andrew and Thomas to do a show again. That would just piss 90% of past and future audiences off. I’m out. The internet is full of mediocre white dudes who can google real hard and yell into a microphone. I hope y’all are ready for the list of excuses as to why Thomas can’t get the episode out on the day he promised. Thomas came to me after Scibabe posted that anti trans crayon shit on fb because she was suppose to be a guest for the Georgia fundraiser. She double down with the excuse that they make fun of everybody. Look up Offensive Crayons. Yes I know she made an apology video. Now she is the tie vote in making show decisions.

Teresa Gomez

2024-01-27 23:46:50 +0000 UTC

Amicus on Slate Plus is a good place to put your legal podcast money in the meantime.

Trump wait no Biden eats shit.

2024-01-27 22:53:42 +0000 UTC

I have been a big supporter of Andrew through all of this and LOVED Liz. When she started the Substack they hinted this was coming. I will definitely follow her and hope Andrew is a part of it or does a new thing.

ByTor ate the Snowdog

2024-01-27 18:03:53 +0000 UTC

I am very sad to hear that Liz will no longer be there. I am frustrated by just a short 2 min explanation of the news. I have seen some speculation and I don’t know if that is true or is it true she has a better opportunity ? I don’t want to speculate I just feel left in the dark.

Ed orth

2024-01-27 14:12:59 +0000 UTC

I’ll have to revisit the history. Based on the audio from both sides I found Thomas to sound genuine, grieved, and hurt by the actions of Andrew toward others. Andrew’s “apology” sounded more calculated, scripted, and intended to build sympathy for him instead of his victims. Thank you for sharing your views and the replies. I will revisit the history of this and await the final adjudication of the lawsuit But I would much rather listen to Liz 😢

GOP Hold out (Trump is the RINO!)

2024-01-27 14:01:12 +0000 UTC

This is heartbreaking... I have been a patreon for years, I have stuck with the show through the drama, it's just one of the most informative podcasts on legal matters out there, and it is gut-wrenching to see this drama stirred up yet again. I really hope AT finds a new co-host soon, and that some stability may return; I really hope we get a statement from Andrew regarding the future of the pod as soon as possible... And while I don't want to take sides in the AT/TS disagreement, as I'm sure Thomas' side has merit as well, I just hope they can work things out in a way that doesn't leave us hanging as listeners...

Ben Verhaegen

2024-01-27 11:05:37 +0000 UTC

The receiver, Yvette, wrote on reddit that she has had no hand in the decision that Liz Dye leave the pod!

Søren Kongstad

2024-01-27 07:53:16 +0000 UTC

So abrupt! I respect the mic drop exit, but damn, I wasn’t ready! Thank you so much for the past year and for explaining a lot of really complicated issues in a way that anyone can understand, and making it fun! It truly is a public service. I’ll keep following your ATL stuff for sure. 🫡

Surfer, Rugby Player, Lawyer...in that order

2024-01-27 01:21:51 +0000 UTC

Is this due to Liz being so much younger than Andrew?

basil

2024-01-26 23:36:49 +0000 UTC

I am so sad today! Alina Habba sh*t the bed in her closing argument for EJC in NY and Liz will not be here to dunk on her!!! le sigh! In serious, thank you OA and Andrew for introducing us to Liz... amazing! I cannot wait to see what she writes next in her Substack! <3

Nixon665

2024-01-26 21:16:45 +0000 UTC

It's hard to believe that you won't be riding shotgun with me anymore. I'm already dreading my ride home. OMG, I'm tearing up! 😢 Please, Andrew and Liz, give us something to look forward to! And thank you for all the knowledge you've imparted. Salud! - Sra. Brennan

Señora Brennan

2024-01-26 19:16:19 +0000 UTC

Yay. Duh. I found the little play button and am now listening. Liz is brilliant!

fran reichenbach

2024-01-26 19:15:32 +0000 UTC

I am so sad. So sad. I’ve been a listener for a long time and never missed an episode once Liz joined. The show got so much better with her. I already follow Liz in Law and Chaos and other Substack publications. Follow her on Threads as well. Truly hope nothing bad happened.

Ana Concepción Castro

2024-01-26 18:57:48 +0000 UTC

This was the only podcast that I never missed. It got so much better once Liz joined full time. She's such a star. I'm certainly going to subscribe to her Substack. Andrew, love your work. If you decide to heck with OA and go and start something new without all the baggage, I'll follow you there. Not sure what the future holds for OA but I wish you the best.

Jim Sink

2024-01-26 18:25:05 +0000 UTC

I agree 💯 about Thomas. I'm waiting for news from Andrew about what happens next, but suspending my patreon in the meantime.

Snunkoople

2024-01-26 18:00:15 +0000 UTC

How does Andrew not play a prominent, if not leading, role in this outcome? More importantly, we have no idea what prompted this. Perhaps I should point out Liz has her definitely-not-a-podcast newsletter that is named in the style of a podcast. She's regularly been promoting it for some time now.

CutePhoton

2024-01-26 17:29:22 +0000 UTC

Sigh. I’m imagining Liz say to me “too bad, so sad.” But it is SO SAD! I’ll keep an eye out for both of you. No person is perfect, but this show was fantastic! Especially with Liz, but Andrew is super witty as well. So sad!

Liza green

2024-01-26 17:24:44 +0000 UTC

Dang. Couldn’t find it but archived the most recent article - temp solution is to ask my hubby to read it to me. It’s a long one but his eyes are great.

fran reichenbach

2024-01-26 17:12:30 +0000 UTC

Gonna go find that button right now. I think it will look like a little head set. Thanks !

fran reichenbach

2024-01-26 17:07:05 +0000 UTC

Yes the banter between Liz and Andrew was awesome and the best is when Liz goes off script. Liz please launch your own podcast. Have subscribed to Law and Chaos substack but sounds like that's not a great place to be. Arrrggghhh...

Nancy

2024-01-26 16:37:44 +0000 UTC

I’m so sorry to hear this. Thank you both so much. I hope to find you both in future podcasts.

Ian Horswill

2024-01-26 16:18:42 +0000 UTC

Okay, so.... I'm an extreme introvert who's a little OCD sometimes... I tend to enjoy/feel content when I'm in a routine I enjoy. Weird, I know. Listening to Liz and Andrew over the past, what, year? has been an acquired taste to me b/c of the drama between Thomas and Andrew. At first I was like, "I am NEVER going to listen to this podcast again!!" Then, ONLY BECAUSE OF LIZ DYE, I came back tentatively, b/c I love her snark on SM. I grew to enjoy the banter between the two, signed up to support them here on Patreon, and genuinely felt happy when I saw a new episode. Another poster here called Thomas' victory a Phyrric one. Couldn't have said it any better. I don't know what's going to happen now. Lots of spec on Reddit about the configuration going forward... I expect it won't be a good outcome... FOR ANYONE. We'll now have to wait for Liz to launch her own "Law & Chaos" pod, which I hope/predict she will. OA is dead, ladies and gents. As dead as the "OA" on Netflix (another sad demise. lol). Stick a fork in it!

V Stanhope

2024-01-26 15:54:31 +0000 UTC

Thank you, Liz, for your wit and wisdom...and the biting commentary. I wish you the best on your podcast adventure going forward. Andrew, I hope you can find a co-host of Liz's caliber to bounce off of. Please keep Opening Arguments, well...arguing. And open.

The Living Tarim

2024-01-26 15:08:45 +0000 UTC

Thomas was just the absolute worst. The whole schtick with thinly veiled personal attacks masquerading as 'jokes' probably weren't funny when Thomas the child did it, and it's cringey and embarrassing when Thomas the adult does it.

iznatius

2024-01-26 14:56:41 +0000 UTC

Liz your thoughtful and funny analysis has been the joy of my morning commute (sorry Andrew) :) You will be sorely missed.

Chad McJannett

2024-01-26 14:45:30 +0000 UTC

I wrote a reply to the OP. I have no special knowledge, just followed some of the brouhaha

Søren Kongstad

2024-01-26 14:23:27 +0000 UTC

Transcript: Liz Dye: Hey, guys. I'm Liz Dye with me as Andrew Torres. And this is my last episode of opening arguments. The past year has been intense, and I so appreciate you all letting me get my podcast legs under me in what was obviously less than ideal circumstances. But all things come to an end, and this is the right time for me to leave. Andrew, you know I've loved working with you, and this has been the most professionally rewarding thing I've ever done. And I have total respect for you as a person and a colleague and a friend. You are a Mensch Andrew Torrez: Oh, thank you so much, Liz. And back at you and more. I mean, thank you for the amazing work, for everything you've brought to opening arguments. Liz Dye: Thank you. And look, you guys, you will not hear me on this platform any more, at least not for the time being. But that doesn't mean goodbye forever. You know where to find me. I make a lot of words, and I will be making some more words very soon. So, to the OA community, let me just say thank you all again. And that's it for me. Peace out, Girl Scout. Andrew Torrez: Bye.

Søren Kongstad

2024-01-26 14:20:00 +0000 UTC

Some people has asked for background info. I have no special knowledge, and have only followed along occasionally with the details. My summary is surely misrepresenting some facts of the case, do not trust it, but check the sources yourselves! The short story is, Torrez was publicly accused of misconduct towards women in an article. https://religionnews.com/2023/02/01/american-atheists-board-members-exit-dogged-by-misconduct-allegations/ Then stuff happened, including the other host Thomas Smith doing an episode with Liz Dye, where he stated that Torrez would take some time of - more than that one episode. Torrez had another view on the situation, and allegedly locked Thomas Smith out of the podcast platform. Torrez then continued the podcast with Liz Dye as a cohost at one point Thomas Smith sued Torrez. There has been back and forths in the case, but this week a receiver was put in place by the court. The receiver is a person chosen by Thomas Smith The whole sordid matter is discussed and documented ad nauseam on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenArgs/ A lot, if not most of the court filings can be found here https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/171WGO9WVBeXKU_b8A3U6aw3YamtJgxyt

Søren Kongstad

2024-01-26 13:51:59 +0000 UTC

Thomas, enjoy your Pyrrhic victory. Liz & Andrew, you have created my favorite podcast across all categories and I sincerely hope that Andrew joins you in your future endeavors. You both are amazing and I will so missing hearing the two of you. I also am cancelling my patronage. I have absolutely 0 desire to contribute to whatever shape Thomas and his receiver are likely to mangle OA into.

Cthulhu for Supreme Court

2024-01-26 13:48:58 +0000 UTC

I agree with 100% of this.

Cthulhu for Supreme Court

2024-01-26 13:48:53 +0000 UTC

Liz, you and Andrew have done fabulous work together - educational, witty, fair, timely - and I am sorry your work together is ending. Best wishes in your future ventures.

Sarah Marshall

2024-01-26 13:31:50 +0000 UTC

Liz, you have been great! I hope you are well and that you continue to do great work! I’ve been a long time reader of yours and will continue to be. Sending my best wishes!

UIC Law Loves OA!

2024-01-26 13:13:27 +0000 UTC

Ooof! Not what I was looking forward to hearing this morning, for sure. Thanks for all the great work since you've been on the show, and best of luck in your future endeavors, Liz!

Kevin Hicks

2024-01-26 13:04:41 +0000 UTC

Nooooooo!!! Is this the end? So sad.

John Butler

2024-01-26 13:02:57 +0000 UTC

Tried to ask you for more details and my reply to you bounced. I’ll research.

fran reichenbach

2024-01-26 12:57:37 +0000 UTC

Sounds like you know more than most of us. Share?

fran reichenbach

2024-01-26 12:55:56 +0000 UTC

Agree. I became a patron after the Thomas stuff. The show has been greatly improved with Liz, and I say that as someone who listened regularly before

Snunkoople

2024-01-26 12:53:04 +0000 UTC

I'm ending my paid subscription after this. I've been a paid patron for many years - and stayed after Thomas' outburst. With Liz, the Opening Arguments truly reached the status of the best legal podcast. I loved the way discussions went, with Liz bringing her own views and information, and overall the show became better and more informative. Thomas, if you are reading this - you destroyed the show three times. First, with your untempered dump on the listeners, then with filling your lawsuit instead of talking to Andrew, and now with the idiotic receivership. (Not to mention your vitriolic, rude and uninformed comments on Reddit, which poisoned any goodwill I may have had for you). You may think you are a champion of women, but we know that's not the case: you are an impulsive and unchecked force, and I have no desire to contribute to anything you do. Liz - I will gladly follow you to any of your ventures, and I hope Andrew joins you there. The two of you are great together at what you do. Leave Thomas to the mess he's created and let him find someone else to bloviate with.

Kharkiv Resilience

2024-01-26 12:52:32 +0000 UTC

I'm so disappointed!!!!! I have really really enjoyed hearing Liz on this podcast. I'll watch to see where Liz makes words in the future. Thanks for your excellent work here, Liz

Snunkoople

2024-01-26 12:45:28 +0000 UTC

Papa Fishy is so sad. Looking forward to lawandchaospod com though.

Papa Fishy 🐟

2024-01-26 12:35:20 +0000 UTC

So sad to hear this! 💔😭Good luck Liz♥️♥️

Stephanie V

2024-01-26 12:32:50 +0000 UTC

Liz, you rock.

Roger H

2024-01-26 12:26:38 +0000 UTC

Court case?

Trump wait no Biden eats shit.

2024-01-26 12:17:44 +0000 UTC

I have to say I agree with this. I did not become a Patreon until Liz took on the role and let's be honest: She really brought a depth to the show that was not here before and also brought out the best in Andrew.

Dick Fritter

2024-01-26 12:04:49 +0000 UTC

Aww Liz...

Dick Fritter

2024-01-26 11:59:58 +0000 UTC

Awe. Dang. I’ve enjoyed every moment listening to your banter w Andrew. Hope to hear your voice again somewhere. Can you consider reading the words you write? I’m having visual issues hence my pod addiction. Please?

fran reichenbach

2024-01-26 11:46:03 +0000 UTC

A real shot to the gut this morning. Liz, your commentary isn't just witty and informative, it's powerful. Your understanding of the law in concert with Andrew, was something that truly shaped my thinking over this past year. The sadness I feel is completely a wash when I think about the wonderful things you will do moving forward. As your sassy light shines upon the information and stories of the day, I wish you the best of fun as you uncover and communicate your research. Also, Andrew I hope you find another co-host who is younger than you like Liz, really makes things dynamic 😂. Seriously though, I'm deeply going to miss this and I want Opening Arguments to continue. Andrew if you need an idiot host to just be like, "huh.." or "oh screw that guy!" For the time being, I'm here for you buddy. I seriously love and appreciate your work. Liz, cheers to your health, family's health and future endeavors. I will be supporting you and thousands, probably millions more will be too.

MajorMinorGolf

2024-01-26 11:00:24 +0000 UTC

Say it ain’t so!

Ian Demsky

2024-01-26 10:39:22 +0000 UTC

Liz, sorry to see you go. I've enjoyed your work on this show and look forward to your next venture.

Bruce King

2024-01-26 10:22:43 +0000 UTC

I'm sad to see Liz go. I think us patreons are owed an explanation as to what is happening. I appreciate that the future of the pod is perhaps not clear right now but we deserve more than a radio silence in the interim. For those that don't know, a receiver was appointed by the court yesterday, a receiver chosen by Thomas Smith. This way there is is a third party able to break ties and facilitate the operation of OA while the court case is pending. Whether Liz leaving is the decision of herself, Torrez, or the full management or Smith and the the receiver would be interesting to know. I wouldn't guess the receiver has taken up the reins so soon, so my uneducated guess would be a combination of Dye and Torrez.

Søren Kongstad

2024-01-26 07:15:02 +0000 UTC

Will miss you! Why not come to hear the free Baltimore Symphony concert (where I play!) at the end of June – June 29th 7pm.

Dana Schwartz

2024-01-26 06:55:43 +0000 UTC

Oh no! I mean, oh yes...? :'(

Mischa B

2024-01-26 06:11:48 +0000 UTC

So sorry to hear this. I've so enjoyed you over the past year! I'll continue to read your words.

Ted Ball

2024-01-26 06:06:23 +0000 UTC

So sudden. I'm choosing to assume this is not due to unfortunate circumstances. I'll go ahead and believe Liz got an amazing job offer that requires her brisk and unexplained departure. All the best Liz and thanks for the words so far.

JeMit

2024-01-26 06:02:55 +0000 UTC

Oh no! Liz was the biggest reason I tune into the show. Her wit, humor, and incredibly sharp legal brain and ability to translate Trump burps are second to none. Gonna miss you soooo much!

Anthony Carroll

2024-01-26 06:01:40 +0000 UTC

I will miss the way you make me laugh while listening to this pod, but I get that all good things come to an end. Good luck with all the words, and please come back and be a guest sometimes!

Bekka Klingbeil

2024-01-26 06:00:35 +0000 UTC

oh noes! liz you will be missed!!

dean gaudet

2024-01-26 05:59:51 +0000 UTC

Will miss you Liz, but good luck and I'll keep reading your words. Come visit?

Screams Into The Void in Supreme Court

2024-01-26 05:52:28 +0000 UTC

Uh, wow! Sad to see you go; that said, good luck!

Aaron Mischler

2024-01-26 05:44:32 +0000 UTC

This is so sudden! And you've been terrific on the show. I hope you return from time to time, at least.

Ann Sharp

2024-01-26 05:41:20 +0000 UTC

Good luck with your future endeavors and we’ll miss you!

The Running Knitter

2024-01-26 05:39:59 +0000 UTC

I am happy for you, Liz, but I regret that you are leaving OA. You have been an amazing asset to the show. I do hope that Andrew will continue this most excellent podcast!

Emma Joy Jampole

2024-01-26 05:36:34 +0000 UTC

Oh noooo! I will miss you so much! Wish you the best in whatever you do.

Janice Ness

2024-01-26 05:36:20 +0000 UTC

😭

Teresa Gomez

2024-01-26 05:35:08 +0000 UTC

I cry. I miss you already.

Judy Pace

2024-01-26 05:34:37 +0000 UTC

Wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors

Bill Gaskins

2024-01-26 05:34:28 +0000 UTC

Noooooooooo! Sadness. Looking forward to more of your words wherever they may land.

Shannon Moutinho

2024-01-26 05:34:25 +0000 UTC

You will be missed ❤️

Bill Ward

2024-01-26 05:34:00 +0000 UTC

OA860: Goodbye

Comments

That was gross, Liz. Peace out.

We can finally listen to this show again!

I wonder where the lunch mob wound up going for food

Bye, Felicia

Some of us will miss you, good luck, I listen to your other podcast now

Listened to this out of curiosity. I’d forgotten what Andrew sounded like entirely, and now I have to forget all over again. I do hope the best for Liz.

Will never understand how you can support AT. Being against anti trans bullshit… good on you. Hopefully, that person has grown and understands she was wrong just like Thomas has been. AT handled this sooooooooo wrong.

@Bruce King: OA had over 4k patrons before Andrew's sex pest behavior became public. Then they plummeted down to about 1k and have stayed there since. I don't think Thomas needs to worry too much about the sub numbers. Source: https://graphtreon.com/creator/law

Andrew's shtick of being a sex pest was fine by you, though?

Bye, Felicia.

The pattern is undoubtedly part of the bundle of sticks that's being argued right now. I'm not surprised it's radio silence, but I hope someone inside is kind enough to update the supporters

Thanks a lot Thomas, you have stunk it up again. This radio silence sucks. I am not saying I know it is Thomas’s fault what I am saying is I am blaming him.

Yeah, the radio silence is weird. Any word from Andrew would be appreciated.

Is this the end of the show?

I'm fine with host shuffling. I just wish there was some update of some sort other than radio silence after Liz said goodbye.

I'm with this guy, c'mon.

I became a patron because of Liz and to support Andrew as the show moved away from Thomas. I’ll stay with OA thru Feb if Andrew remains as regular host, otherwise I’m out. Either way, I’m going to pitch in for Liz to support her new show.

Liz has the substack (and, now podcast) "Law and Chaos".

So I am out. It’s obvious Andrew is don’t with the show.

I guess I am not going to one day find out I paid for a Thomas Legal episode. Frankly, he rarely knew anything about what was going on. He led a lunch mob against Andrew and it’s unforgettable.

Wait so Andrew is out as well? I haven’t been keeping up with the litigation re the pod. Did cry baby win?

Andrew / Anyone…. What the Dickens is going on? No official explanation? Just a sad goodbye from Liz? I’m going to have to cancel my Patrion until there’s an explanation as to WTF is happening.

Hey Liz, I really enjoyed your wit, and that you're leaving OA is terrible news for me. I wish you well and CAN'T WAIT for your podcast!

I don’t think it’s over…. Andrew still has great insight and we ( well, i do humbly) need him to explain the law so i can understand it! Man… i sure hope it’s not over

What on earth??? Bummer!

Will OA come back? If so when? And Andrew, I agree with you re: The cranberries!

If Thomas is in, I'm out. I was sick of his schtick before the whole accusation chaos, and only came back with Liz on the show. Best of luck Andrew and Liz, hope to hear you again down the road.

So, no Monday episode. Are we to presume that the podcast is over? I don’t want to cancel my Patreon “early” but I also don’t want to start paying for somebody else’s podcast - I subscribed for Andrew & Liz, not for the amorphous entity that controls OA. 🤷‍♂️

Probably an unpopular opinion here, but I loved having Thomas on the pod because I'm no lawyer and he asked the questions I didn't even know I had. For what that's worth.

Please let me know if you and Andrew appear elsewhere. Sad to go but will see you and the dogs in FB. Thanks again for all you do.

Thanks for all you did for the podcast TG.

So, when do we find out what is going to happen?

Yeah her own podcast.

*slaps knee* welp... Guess it's time to head out

Amicus on Slate Plus is a good place to put your legal podcast money in the meantime.

I have been a big supporter of Andrew through all of this and LOVED Liz. When she started the Substack they hinted this was coming. I will definitely follow her and hope Andrew is a part of it or does a new thing.

I am very sad to hear that Liz will no longer be there. I am frustrated by just a short 2 min explanation of the news. I have seen some speculation and I don’t know if that is true or is it true she has a better opportunity ? I don’t want to speculate I just feel left in the dark.

The receiver, Yvette, wrote on reddit that she has had no hand in the decision that Liz Dye leave the pod!

So abrupt! I respect the mic drop exit, but damn, I wasn’t ready! Thank you so much for the past year and for explaining a lot of really complicated issues in a way that anyone can understand, and making it fun! It truly is a public service. I’ll keep following your ATL stuff for sure. 🫡

Is this due to Liz being so much younger than Andrew?

I am so sad today! Alina Habba sh*t the bed in her closing argument for EJC in NY and Liz will not be here to dunk on her!!! le sigh! In serious, thank you OA and Andrew for introducing us to Liz... amazing! I cannot wait to see what she writes next in her Substack! <3

It's hard to believe that you won't be riding shotgun with me anymore. I'm already dreading my ride home. OMG, I'm tearing up! 😢 Please, Andrew and Liz, give us something to look forward to! And thank you for all the knowledge you've imparted. Salud! - Sra. Brennan

Yay. Duh. I found the little play button and am now listening. Liz is brilliant!

I am so sad. So sad. I’ve been a listener for a long time and never missed an episode once Liz joined. The show got so much better with her. I already follow Liz in Law and Chaos and other Substack publications. Follow her on Threads as well. Truly hope nothing bad happened.

I agree 💯 about Thomas. I'm waiting for news from Andrew about what happens next, but suspending my patreon in the meantime.

How does Andrew not play a prominent, if not leading, role in this outcome? More importantly, we have no idea what prompted this. Perhaps I should point out Liz has her definitely-not-a-podcast newsletter that is named in the style of a podcast. She's regularly been promoting it for some time now.

Sigh. I’m imagining Liz say to me “too bad, so sad.” But it is SO SAD! I’ll keep an eye out for both of you. No person is perfect, but this show was fantastic! Especially with Liz, but Andrew is super witty as well. So sad!

Dang. Couldn’t find it but archived the most recent article - temp solution is to ask my hubby to read it to me. It’s a long one but his eyes are great.

Gonna go find that button right now. I think it will look like a little head set. Thanks !

Yes the banter between Liz and Andrew was awesome and the best is when Liz goes off script. Liz please launch your own podcast. Have subscribed to Law and Chaos substack but sounds like that's not a great place to be. Arrrggghhh...

I’m so sorry to hear this. Thank you both so much. I hope to find you both in future podcasts.

Thank you, Liz, for your wit and wisdom...and the biting commentary. I wish you the best on your podcast adventure going forward. Andrew, I hope you can find a co-host of Liz's caliber to bounce off of. Please keep Opening Arguments, well...arguing. And open.

Thomas was just the absolute worst. The whole schtick with thinly veiled personal attacks masquerading as 'jokes' probably weren't funny when Thomas the child did it, and it's cringey and embarrassing when Thomas the adult does it.

Liz your thoughtful and funny analysis has been the joy of my morning commute (sorry Andrew) :) You will be sorely missed.

I wrote a reply to the OP. I have no special knowledge, just followed some of the brouhaha

I agree with 100% of this.

Liz, you and Andrew have done fabulous work together - educational, witty, fair, timely - and I am sorry your work together is ending. Best wishes in your future ventures.

Liz, you have been great! I hope you are well and that you continue to do great work! I’ve been a long time reader of yours and will continue to be. Sending my best wishes!

Ooof! Not what I was looking forward to hearing this morning, for sure. Thanks for all the great work since you've been on the show, and best of luck in your future endeavors, Liz!

Nooooooo!!! Is this the end? So sad.

Tried to ask you for more details and my reply to you bounced. I’ll research.

Sounds like you know more than most of us. Share?

Agree. I became a patron after the Thomas stuff. The show has been greatly improved with Liz, and I say that as someone who listened regularly before

I'm so disappointed!!!!! I have really really enjoyed hearing Liz on this podcast. I'll watch to see where Liz makes words in the future. Thanks for your excellent work here, Liz

Papa Fishy is so sad. Looking forward to lawandchaospod com though.

So sad to hear this! 💔😭Good luck Liz♥️♥️

Liz, you rock.

Court case?

I have to say I agree with this. I did not become a Patreon until Liz took on the role and let's be honest: She really brought a depth to the show that was not here before and also brought out the best in Andrew.

Aww Liz...

Awe. Dang. I’ve enjoyed every moment listening to your banter w Andrew. Hope to hear your voice again somewhere. Can you consider reading the words you write? I’m having visual issues hence my pod addiction. Please?

Say it ain’t so!

Liz, sorry to see you go. I've enjoyed your work on this show and look forward to your next venture.

Will miss you! Why not come to hear the free Baltimore Symphony concert (where I play!) at the end of June – June 29th 7pm.

Oh no! I mean, oh yes...? :'(

So sorry to hear this. I've so enjoyed you over the past year! I'll continue to read your words.

So sudden. I'm choosing to assume this is not due to unfortunate circumstances. I'll go ahead and believe Liz got an amazing job offer that requires her brisk and unexplained departure. All the best Liz and thanks for the words so far.

Oh no! Liz was the biggest reason I tune into the show. Her wit, humor, and incredibly sharp legal brain and ability to translate Trump burps are second to none. Gonna miss you soooo much!

slaps knee welp... Guess it's time to head out