Financial Statement

Keep doing your thing, Andrew. I support you in your recovery.

Foster B.

I've just found this (been busy) I'm reading them all carefully, I'm part of a few of these communities but mainly on the peripheral. I'm not dismissive of any of this, so this helps. Andrew seems to be behaving like a "hound dog" which isn't a joking remark. Maybe his Marriage is permissive. I'm engaged, we have a variety of friends. We all know each other, we even flirt. Not hiding it matters. I feel that If his wife were aware, she would have warned him. It's more than having an affair, it's that disguising motive behind persistent banter is a manipulative behavior of preditors (Which isn't gender specific). Its speculation on my part. Alcohol is part of this and there's not enough in these few texts to really know, but it's interesting. Also that if it's been going on for this long. Anyway I just came to thank you for taking the time. 👍

C’mon

There is nothing you can say that will justify stealing the show and continuing like nothing has happened. I'd have taken my share of the accounts as well, if I were Thomas. You proved you can't be trusted and care about yourself and yourself only. You're not sorry for anything, you take zero responsibility, and seem to be fortified by a couple of pick-me enablers, which is really unfortunate for your poor family who has been humiliated and will only have more of the same to look forward to since you have no desire to change. Truly, truly appalling.

Natalie

Quit the selective posting bullshit when you won't come straight out and be transparent about what's going on. If you trust your fan base, then come clean with what's happening and where the show is going, or STFU. This behaviour screams bad faith. I'm not interested in either of you while you continue it.

Leigh Sharp

You can read allegations here: https://religionnews.com/2023/02/01/american-atheists-board-members-exit-dogged-by-misconduct-allegations/ and here: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1jIFbWDxgY0ZyIB899GHeu_BjGRV7llCZ

Snunkoople

What offense do you think is alleged?

Chris Conley

Always nice to monetize the controversy. Congrats on the patron engagement numbers!

Bruce King

Lol. You can't build a podcast audience on the basis of rationality, humanism, and opposition to bullshit, and then expect that audience to buy it when you produce your own pile of bullshit. You trained us better than that.

Bald Weasels Scrotal Manscaping

Yes...it seems like that to me too.

C’mon

What gets me is the extreme level of vitriol that is very disproportionate to any alleged offense. I can't help but wonder what is going on with people because it doesn't seem rational to me. Seems like people are feeding off each other's anger

Snunkoople

Nah I think it's good. I agree with you on all counts

Snunkoople

I'm glad you posted this. It's really a window into everything going on. Yet since it began it seems exactly like mob justice. The knee jerk reaction being everyone putting as much distance as possible between themselves and Andrew Torrez. Beginning with Thomas Smith. I can understand that, considering..but it's like it's on steroids. Thomas dropping little voice bombs, using really strong terms like "stealing" and "lying" about people he has worked with for a long time. No deep breath in-between. I mean, weren't they friends once? Maybe Andrew is guilty as hell....but I can't imagine what it would be like to wake up one morning with a full on posse from the Twitter/ Podcast universe after me, as he has, and no one's sorted anything. Certainly Thomas' narrative has set fire to the situation ...It feels... desperate. Like a guilty thing upon a fearful summons, to quote the Bard. But why? All the drama now isn't about whatever happened with the women who accused Andrew, it's coming from his ex friend and business partner, which is pretty weird.

C’mon

More to the fucking point, "your friend" has a goddamn baby. Were you going to make sure he got paid? Were you going to make sure he could pay rent? His medical insurance? What kind of friend leaves someone high and dry like that?

Seth Swanson

"as I would never do this to anyone, let alone a friend and business partner." But you HAVE done this to your "friend and business partner". You've cut him off, kicked him off the podcast, and tried to continue on with an apology and then pretending like nothing happened. You did that to a friend. We know you did. Why are you on the show and not Thomas right now? You made that decision, not him, despite being 50/50 partners. How can we possibly trust you? If you actually want a place in this community you need to correct actually work at fixing things, not scrabble and scrape desperately to hold onto as much as you can. I really hope you read this Andrew because we're just so fucking disappointed in you.

Seth Swanson

Is Thomas lying when he says the normal practice with this account was for $5000 to be left in it and each of you to take half of the rest every month after the patreon money went into the account, and that the money he took was this amount in line with previous practice?

My imaginary friend Omad Kcin.

I’m not going to lose any sleep because strangers on the internet that are still patreon supporters to a podcast they don’t like disapprove of things I do. I’ve been called and treated way worse by fans in the Facebook group in the last 3ish years I was an admin. Y’all know way less than you think you do. This show will move on. Thomas talking to random people on a podcast is SIO. He could never keep a co-host for very long but that can be your new OA.

Teresa Gomez

Theresa, did any of those complaints about Thomas involve inappropriate behavior or touching? If so, please let us know how Thomas is worse than Andrew. Congrats on unlocking the joe rogran awfulness achievement award for Andrew. Well deserved. There's a reason why people who meet me think I'm full of shit. It's because people like Andrew talk the talk and turn out to be awful. Glad you're there for him, but don't respect what you are doing.

CutePhoton

I am just a subscriber. The "Andrew is stealing everything" episode showed up in my podcast app for a little while, then vanished. I assumed Andrew deleted it, but I don't really know who did. There's a screenshot on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenArgs/comments/10vlaa7/andrew_is_stealing_everything_and_has_locked_me/ I guess Thomas was stressed and sleep deprived with new baby and he posted in a panic. That's the most charitable interpretation I can think of. I wish he would have done more talking to Andrew and less posting about him.

Snunkoople

Why I'm staying, on BOTH sides, is a long discussion, too. But I think they have done a lot of good, and hope they continue to do so. I've heard so many times the phrase "the left will eat itself", and I think this is a moment that makes that all too clear.

Timothy High

Embrace the Chaos I think it was actually Andrew's "apology" that drove most listeners to leave, that is when I found out about it, and I know many others that is when they first found out about it also.

Timothy Loveridge

Im not sure if you are part of a Thomas podcast ecosystem where sharing that makes sense (employee, friend group) but I find it kind of messed up. If Thomas put that out there, like he did his initial audio, he's being really stupid in a legal sense. It can as easily be used against him. Whether true or not. So... Why do it?

C’mon

I can understand the question. There is more than one person who makes OA happen. Paying a living wage, with health insurance, sick time, office space, research, equipment etc isn't cheap. Especially in more expensive States. Andrew mentioned he pays out of his own pockets as well. I think of the podcasts I pay for as being like NPR radio. They aren't poor, but they do need the donations to survive. If I think it's really good content, I pay so that others can listen for free 🙂

C’mon

I got a podcast in my feed on Feb. 6 that was called "Andrew is stealing everything and has locked me," and I definitely understood "stealing everything" to include stealing the profits.

Snunkoople

True. I guess what springs to mind is "bring receipts" 😆. However, on a serious note, one reason I'm staying is HOW this all happened. First were incomplete texts from a woman, then I read Atheists article, which Andrew didn't know about, next was Thomas' damning audio (and AGs ending his 45 hosting). They all seemed to act quickly to be shaded under the most opportune light possible for themselves. I can understand why, but since Andrews been on the defense from the git go he should have a minute, in all fairness. Putting out content is pretty amazing, considering. Anyway...it is a mess 😜

C’mon

Morgan is great. Hope we see her on the show again.

Blurry fingers

I keep saying the same thing. This is a legal podcast. lesson 1 from ANY legal podcast is stop talking! (at least publicly) and let the attorneys do their thing. I mean, have we all learned nothing?? ...and I do love the cohosts but what you say is true. I'm here for Attorney breakdown, because they do the work! It's given me amazing insight It's a nominal fee for that level of knowledge.

C’mon

Hm. Everyone's entitled to their responses. Yet I'm surprised that this comment was "liked" by 30+ people. Look, it sucks but any good attorney would tell Andrew AND Thomas to STFU. Andrew responded to an accusation, for the reasons he gave. Who are we to assume we know wtf motivates either of them? That's pure speculation. We don't know whats happening in real time. We can either continue to be an OA listener, or not. This happens with public people all the time. Yes, some accountability is due us, but I've already received what I'm entitled to for my $5. The only people owed anything on a deeper level are those harmed, family and friends. Peace. 🕊️

C’mon

You're talking to a guy that works 60 hours a week to make less than $70k. I'm definitely going to judge anyone that has that kind of money lying around, regardless what they spend it on.

DuncanForSC

Where did Thomas give "directions to leave"?

Chris Conley

Ironically I would bet a big chunk of that is ultimately going to go to legal fees. But I do not think it is fair to look at a business's cash on hand and say they don't need the revenue comparing it to what an individual might have. There likely are expenses that are regularly paid out of that, let alone the the idea that both businesses and people should keep a few months of expenses on hand. What if your employer said you shouldn't get a paycheck this month because you can use your savings to pay your rent.

el que es causa de la causa es causa del mal causado

"Embrace the Chaos," wish I could give this post multiple hearts. Thanks for writing it out so clearly.

Snunkoople

If you look at the record, the actual reason that the show lost 3000 patrons is because Thomas started scorching the Earth. I know, I know, all Andrew’s fault right? Maybe in the abstract, but not in the most direct sense. The Patreon numbers tell a clear story. From the publication of the article on 1/31 until Thomas’s accusations on 2/4, the company only lost about 800 patrons, and the curve had begun to level out. After Thomas’s statements, the count plummeted at more than double the highest previous rate, crashing by 1300 in just two days, and nearly 2400 total. The vast majority of this can be directly attributed to Thomas’s public campaigning, not only because of the timeline, but because there was a corresponding massive uptick the in subscriptions to Thomas’s other shows. In the middle of this burndown, on 2/6, Thomas withdrew the $42k from the corporate account. While you may think Thomas was righteous and justified in all this, from a legal perspective, it still matters that he had a fiduciary duty to OA. From a financial perspective, it’s unambiguous that he took an adverse position, disparaged his co-owner, and that those actions had a quantifiable devastating direct effect on OA’s value and prospects. In this context, it makes perfect sense that Andrew moved to lock down the company assets. When you have a fiduciary duty, you can’t burn down your own company, and you especially can’t do it while raiding cash from the corporate coffers. I suspect Thomas is going to learn this the hard way, in court.

Embrace the chaos

Yeah, I understand he needed to say *something* to stop the exodus of patrons, and not leave people thinking he was up to something nefarious. I think his response went over the line, though, in presenting evidence. That's the dirty laundry in this case. I would have accepted an explanation in words, and let them work things out behind the curtain, or in court, or whatever. Each response seems to be resulting in another counter-response (Thomas has already replied to this one), i.e. litigating this in public. I hope it calms down because it really is starting to look immature at best.

Timothy High

Well, per Andrews statement I think that's his intention going forward. I suspect this was more an action of perceived necessity, for Patreons, in response to what seems to be some actions, comments, postings made by other parties involved. Either way I think this is likely the last from Andrew Torrez' side. In spite if people asking for more details. Legally, it simply makes more sense for all to begin remaining quiet.

C’mon

Theresa, I heard your name mentioned by the moderators early on. So I have a vague idea of the first explosion involving you. Other then that I'm a bystander. Having said that, I'm glad you wrote this. I had the same reaction/conclusion about Andrew Torrez. It's helpful to me to have it reinforced a bit by someone who knows the people involved. I experienced self doubt, I mean, what am I basing my perception on in this context? But in the end, I agree. There are preditors, predatory behavior and also stupid human decisions (especially by addicts). In Andrews case it's hugely public. It will make it a 1000 times harder. What is the alternative, as a friend? Abandon them, resulting in more harm? Or help them?(and others). As one person to another, I'm glad you're there to help. As long as you care for yourself as well ❤️

C’mon

Thomas's own claim doesn't even match his own evidence. It seems very likely to be a mild misreading of their relationship by Andrew, who seemed to think they were close friends, and Thomas described it as "mildly uncomfortable" and "nothing terrible" at the time, and "not that bad" even now. But in working himself into a state of retroactive inconsolable victimhood two years later (after his reputation was on the line), he didn't leave a lot of room for reconciliation. None, really. Thomas's accusation, at its worst, falls into the realm of uncomfortable mild indignity that nearly every human being has experienced at some point in their life, and probably many times. The reflex has been to maximize this encounter in the worst possible light. A much better way to deal with a marginal encounter like this is to reject victimhood and fragility, and resolve to learn and take control in the future, e.g. by speaking up when we are uncomfortable. We can't control the behavior of other people, especially their past behavior, but we can control how we react and set expectations for the future. This whole situation has been wild to behold. Andrew has clearly copped to bad behavior, and at this point we don't really know exactly how bad. But the mob reaction has shown no ability to differentiate between magnitudes of badness in sexual impropriety, and there are many orders of magnitude. The entire body of claims at this point doesn't credibly show much except a guy being cringey and awkward online, which will we may find distasteful, is not a crime or even a tort. The Charone Frankel allegation is potentially more serious, but her own records show a respectful but fraught affair, which devolved into misgivings years later after their relationship ended. Her initial concern seems to revolve around guilt over infidelity, which then devolves into concern about rumors of Andrew's conduct towards other women, upon which she eventually added concerns about the way Andrew initiated intimacy. Again, troubling, but in the realm of consensual relationship dynamics, re-litigated in the biased view of ex-relationships, that likely fall well short of any civil or criminal standard of harassment or assault. The rallying cry here is "believe women", or "believe victims", and it would be much easier to turn off my brain and line up in the crowd with a pitchfork. But contrary to common practice, it's much better to look at evidence and try to understand the truth before rushing to judgment.

Embrace the chaos

Right? It's not theft. Using the storage analogy, they'd have an inventory of what belongs to whom, regardless of access. I'm sure they have a contract (I mean, it's a legal podcast). Isn't it standard to place a hold on a shared business account to sort that out? Why make a public alligation of theft beforehand? What does that do, other than damage OA? Thomas seems nervous somehow. Even with sexual harassment allegations against Andrew, Thomas would still be paid accordingly. So, why not let their attorneys talk, under the radar?

C’mon

To my knowledge it would have stayed out of the limelight if Thomas had not suddenly made a disputed sexual assault claim. At face value, Andrew reacted in a split second move by locking the OA account and Thomas responded by taking almost 42k from the unlocked money account. This is all really ugly and is testing my resolve. Either Andrew and Thomas should stop the drama or they need to get together in a special episode and explain the facts. The sexual assault thing seems out of character for Andrew given the pattern of abuse already established and Thomas denied making that larger transaction that was in Andrew's screenshot.

Fame and fortune guaranteed in the state of Tintucky

Wow. I swear, the worst part of this is that (as a listener) I've grown to like both people. I'm truly shocked by all of this (of course). I thought Thomas' choice of posting his audio was ...unwise, yet from his heart. However I admit that the end of the recording where he referred to Andrew as "his meal ticket" stuck with me. It's not something that reflected the friendship I took for granted was there. It was a weird comment, hard to interpret. It's impossible to know without being an Insider, but I appreciate the transparency. If accused, one has the right to reply. I truly hope they work it out. As a fan of OA I'm still happy to continue listening, appreciating the content. I reserve judgement. Btw Liz Dye has been awesome 😎

C’mon

This is very much turning into a mess. I think Thomas is partly to blame for miscommunication and Andrew for misunderstanding in that one instance. It has become somewhat more clear to me: Andrew, you do suffer from control issues. Whether your previous actions were sexual harassment or not, I leave to the determination of the women who you engaged with. I was willing to continue with my sub, knowing that alcoholism and depression were somewhat involved. I do hope you get help for that. Your apparent handling of the OA business relationship with Thomas has edged out whatever charity I felt. I don't know who to believe in this back and forth and hope you can both amicably (or as close as you each can come) sever ties cleanly without threatening each other with litigation. I will not be renewing my sub.

WFHChuck --All Zoom, No Pants, Since 2020

> Thomas has stated that I have taken all the profits of our joint Opening Arguments bank account for myself. Can anyone cite this claim? I'm not keeping up with everything, but on the SIO Feed, Thomas said he didn't have access to any accounts. If you and a partner share a storage locker, and then the partner changes the locks, that is not the same as saying the partner stole the contents. If you and a partner have an equal share in a business, and then the partner locks you out and takes unilateral control of all business operations, well, that's another matter.

You're so vain you probably think this name is about you

That’s true he said he didn’t currently have access as in current / future money. Not from when this all kicked off

Wyatt Whitham

Yeah that one pull is close to my yearly pay. I think I might keep my 10 bucks.

Wyatt Whitham

The show didn’t get emails complaining about Andrew being on the show or interrupting Thomas but they definitely got them complaining about Thomas. I’ve always said they make a good team on the show because Andrew can talk for hours but the show was good long term because of the work Andrew did. Being able to edit a podcast or ask questions is not a super special skill. A lot of people do it. What set OA aside is Andrew’s contribution. Yes, the initial success was based on fans Thomas already had but there is a reason Thomas’ other shows didn’t come close to being as successful as OA. His other shows are seeing a bump now purely based on the article and Thomas’ directions to leave. That’s fine. Like I said above everyone should set their boundaries wherever they want.

Teresa Gomez

Posted elsewhere, but think I should have posted it here instead: This is, and will continue to be, a messy divorce. Feel like both sides should just retire to their respective “corners” and properly handle this through whatever judicial means are necessary. Which is to say quietly and in private like adults in the real world. Continuing with the little “updates” here and there is just asking us all to choose sides between “mom and dad” not for our benefit, but for theirs. Basically weaponizing the “kids“ in a proxy war we did nothing wrong in but suffer the consequences of. It’s shitty really. In any event, you’re either going to give Andrew a second chance (and that does not require absolution of the allegations against him) or you’re not. And if you’re not, well, terrible news friend, this band ain’t getting back together, so you might as well move along unless sitting and bitching about an outcome that’ll never happen is your jam.

Smokey

I’ve always tuned in to OA to hear what Thomas had to say. Andrew was a guest on SIO before OA, and I always assumed OA was Thomas’s podcast.

AJ

I’m dropping my support due to your actions, Andrew, not Thomas’s. I think it’s odd that your attempting to explain away your Patreon loss as Thomas’s fault when people have been telling you for a couple weeks now that you’re the reason they’re leaving. If anything, your continued presence and snide-ass episode titles have just thrown fuel on the fire. Also, it’s pretty pathetic that you posted this within a couple hours of Serious Inquiries Only surpassing the number of patrons OA has.

AJ

Blank Blankman

Sounds reasonable, lots of love to you and everyone else. This is a stressful situation all around and there is no resolution that wouldn't be awful in some way.

Andrew Berson

Theresa, I would hate to live in a world where Andrew has nobody in his life to help get him through a hard time. He is lucky to have you. And that's fine. But that's your personal relationship, not a business and not a podcast. Alcoholics seeking treatment can and do continue to work. The difference is that most don't have multiple credible allegations of sexual harassment and inappropriate touching. Employers who take harassment and their brand seriously would drop him immediately. Similarly, an audience is a privilege and he's lost a lot of them. He continues to ignore the feedback from the audience and continues to lose support. Would it have made a difference? I have no idea, but trying to white knuckle through this really doesn't seem to be working. I really genuinely hope the best for Andrew, but he's not my friend and I will not continue to financially support him at the end of the month. He owns 100% of it. I am glad he has support. I am glad you're there for him. I am glad he's getting treatment.

CutePhoton

None of y’all know me. Without any prompting Thomas threw me under the bus and tried to gaslight me about it. There is a lot y’all don’t know and may never know. I’m still here because I plan to hold Andrew accountable. I’m the only person close enough to him that isn’t family and whose income doesn’t depend on him. I have a long history dealing with addict so I’m familiar with the process. I want a better future and no more victims. I 100% accept that there is a big problem with the pattern of Andrew’s behavior but I don’t think he is a monster or predator. This is a conclusion I have reached using my own personal experience and conversations with other women close to him. This is not something that gets fixed by taking a week or month off. Most people go through recovery while still working their job. This whole situation has been messy and I understand it has to be frustrating and exhausting from the outside. I’ve spent the last 2 weeks closely monitoring those close to this podcast to make sure they didn’t kill themselves while barely believing the reasons I gave to stay alive. I’m grateful that they reached out and listened because we came too close to losing someone. The trolls on fb and twitter are fierce. Y’all are adults and can make whatever decision you want with your time and money. You should set your boundaries wherever you want. I’m a stranger on the internet and you don’t get to judge where I set mine.

Teresa Gomez

Do you feel good about your self Teresa? Regardless of who’s legally in the right Andrew is morally in the wrong, and you standing by him confuses me to no end?

General Contact Unit Problem Child

Agreed. Y'all should have taken the MSW media approach of keeping it out of the limelight.

Mike Lilley

"Thomas has taken nearly $42,000 out of the Opening Arguments account since February 1" I don't believe you, but good for him if so

General Contact Unit Problem Child

Considering there was enough money for a new VW lying around in the bank, it certainly begs the question why we all need to give a few bucks a month.

DuncanForSC

Thomas never said you cut him off from revenue, he said he didn't have control where OA revenue was going

General Contact Unit Problem Child

I think his stance is that a legal process has been initiated and it is in his best interest to not comment until that is resolved. However that doesn't seem to stop his ego from matching the antagonism he is receiving.

Andrew Berson

My punched gut is telling me the whole gang is airing their dirty laundry far more than we need to know, and this is turning into an unnecessarily ugly divorce. Please don't use us, your children, against each other. That's all we ask.

Timothy High

I appreciate the transparency, but how are we supposed to know that is Thomas' account? Also, making some assumptions about what can be seen through the not-your-best-work censoring, it seems that Thomas took about 50%. Which, one can assume was in response to his claims of being locked out of the Patreon Feed. I'm a bit disappointed in you Andrew.

Chris L

As does "don't read the comments" 😏

Leigh Sharp

Not sure what Andrew was supposed to do after Thomas tried to position himself as a victim of Andrew over a "touch on the lower hip" that he described to his wife at the time as "nothing terrible" and "slightly uncomfortable", and equated to his own behavior towards friends. Thomas went scorched-earth, not Andrew.

Embrace the chaos

This show wouldn't exist without Thomas. I would say that a lot of us do value what he brought to the show. The deflections and crap apologies are just sad. In 10 years, when the dust has long since settled, I'm betting Andrew will have regrets over how he's handled the aftermath. He... you... just can't see it yet.

CutePhoton

Anyone got a copy of that letter? Guessing it's something like "you can't actually disparage your own business partner in public to the detriment of your company and expect to keep the keys".

Embrace the chaos

Andrew didn’t say he was going to take time off. Thomas said that. Andrew said he was seeking therapy and treatment.

iznatius

This happened before Thomas loss access to the accounts. He also has a fiduciary duty to OA as an owner and the letter Thomas received when he lost access detailed the multiple reasons for it. It’s not shocking that Thomas didn’t mention taking essentially a years salary out of the bank when he complained about losing access. If Thomas would have hired a lawyer day 1 and decided to speak through his lawyers like Andrew has he would probably still have access to everything. It’s like Thomas hasn’t been listening to the show at all. Besides, no one tunes into OA to hear what Thomas has to say. No shade on Liz or Morgan. I love them.

Teresa Gomez

Thanks for continuing to put out content, I re-subscribed, as the podcast content is what I am here for.

CorDawg

Is this in response to the "Little Update" post by Thomas on SIO? Because you're not even responding honestly! Thomas said that you have taken control of the Patreon, not the bank account. As a result he has no control over which bank account Patreon pledges are directed to in the future. It's obviously true you took over the Patreon unilaterally. I know Thomas isn't approving your new episodes. I don't think Thomas claimed you took over the joint bank account, unless he said that somewhere else. I wouldn't blame him for withdrawing funds while he still could, after you seized control of Patreon. Anyway, I just stopped by here to cancel my OA support. I didn't need yet another reason to cancel, but here we are. You're such a fucking disappointment, Andrew.

Quark Twain

There are some of us that really are here for the illuminating content and the banter. I pay for my Patreon subscriptions and don’t mind adding another. Set tiers for ad/no ad. P.S. not interested in judging you.

fran reichenbach

1. The picture shows a transfer, it doesn't show the transfer went to Thomas. 2. People aren't making financial decisions based on where the money is going, they're making financial decisions because the person making the show is an admitted sexual harasser, and a credibly accused sexual assaulter, and refuses to acknowledge any impact that should have on them continuing to have a platform and position of power.

Alexander Thomas

And "Don't take PR advice from your attorney" continues to ring so very true....

Smokey

Oh right but because of your new policy of non-engagement aka running away from criticism means you can just not respond.

Wyatt Whitham

So that withdrawal happened the same day you put out your non-apology statement so was that him simply taking what was owed knowing y’all are having issues? You keep putting out these statements trying to paint other people as the problem. It’s not a good look when you said you were going to take time off to work on yourself and you haven’t done that. You need to start by taking his name off the show if this is how you are going to be. If your stance is he is still receiving OA money then show that, not a single withdrawal from right when SHTF.

Wyatt Whitham

What do you think posting this accomplishes? Such a waste of your mental energy to ruminate over what he said. Even if you are telling us the full truth and Thomas is spreading lies, something that remains unproven, you got bigger fish to fry: Your own behavior. The patrons you're losing? Do you not get it? You're the villain in this story. It doesn't need to end with you being the villain. Redemption is a long road. I wish you well, but I hope you understand my patronage ends this month because of you.

CutePhoton

I feel terrible about what is happening. I believe it would have been better for people to talk privately about their grievances, rather than posting inflammatory accusations online. I appreciate your efforts to continue to provide content as all move forward.

Snunkoople

Thank you for sharing Andrew

Ed orth

Andrew, you really need to do a full breakdown of what your stance, strategy, and future plans are regarding Opening Arguments and the overall situation. The few bits and pieces of information the public gets without the overall picture fuel wild speculation, and I don't think this post will help on its own.

Matt Kowal

I’m still hoping the two of you reach an amicable solution. I’m really just here for the content, and hope all parties reach resolution.

Mmmmm. Donuts!