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The (Anti-PC) Pun Cannon

Dear Insane Children, 

This post was meant to start with 3-pages of me talking about political correctness and the importance of living life With Teeth but cooler heads prevailed. I was reminded of the precarious nature of our situation - all the eyes on us and what I'm saying. And the fact that I deleted that text and open instead with these words... well, that probably says all we need to say about the political state of the world we live in. I guess we chalk this up as a win for the PC Police. Yay :/

And... we start today's post with the latest from Joey. Actually, this was in the batch of images she dropped yesterday but I somehow let it slip through the cracks. It's icy! 

This looks to be a fantastic weapon. Especially when considered in context of my comments from yesterday. This thing can easily freeze enemies, form bridges, slow down mechanisms, make skating surfaces, extinguish fires, and so on. Most importantly, I am certain it would make a mean frozen margarita! 

Next we have an update from Alex: 

These would be the front and back images for the Chaos Coin collector card. With this we complete the set of items which will ship with the Chaos Coin - the Coin, box, frame, bag, and card. Quite a set! 

Let us know in the comments below your thoughts. My first impression - I love the 'face' side but I'm not so certain about the text being skewed. The back is also wonderful but the font on the CHAOS COIN text ... not a fan. I wonder if Font Lord Martin had something to do with this? :P  

Once we get a final design approved these need to be printed and sent to our logistics partner. That will (hopefully) coincide with them receiving the box/frame stuff from the factory... at which point the whole set will be complete! Thoughts?

Omri's sent along an updated version of the Bargaining Dress which he's now labeled the "Pleading Dress." What do you think? 

This is certainly closer to the more subdued vision I had for her at this stage. I've also seen quite a few strong requests to maintain the green Bargaining Suit (or Dress) as shown in previous updates. I hear you! We'll find a way to integrate it into the game.

Jen also continues her work on ideas for new patches. Of these she says:  

1. Shrinking violet with Alice's hands reaching out with the cats cradle strings. Thought it might be a unique patch in line with the whole "only a few will understand this"
Also was thinking instead of the cats cradle I could put the burning house silhouette just out of reach? Kind of like she fell into the violet and is shrinking away from what happened. 
2. Bloody hobby horse, haven't done proper typography on this yet, just a sketch idea. I should probably also give the banner a bit more flair but I wanted to make sure you liked the idea first as it's a bit pastelish like the original hobby horse. Not sure if maybe people would prefer the more evil looking hobby horse? 

And she'd like to know if anyone would appreciate a Mock Turtle Ale patch...

The next set of patches is shaping up to be really interesting!

Let us know your feedback in the comments below.

And a last-minute delivery from Omri - The Hospital Dress! Of this he says: 

Hi! so before i'm doing the Asylum Dress, i thought to do the Hospital dress. According to the script she's catatonic and you see her right after the fire. so.. this is what i thought she should wear.

Whew, that is a LOT of content to go through for one post!

And we're not even done yet - a lot of you are writing to express concern about the QUESTION: label we're using in the comments. I've read that some people don't really enjoy listening to Patron Questions and Comments being read? So I'm a bit confused... And what do we do when we're confused? 

I made a SurveyMonkey Survey! Hit that link and let us know your thoughts on Questions, Comments, and how to address these during the livestreams. 

Lots of content to discuss in this post and I look forward to some thoughtful discussion in the comments below. As you think about and comment on the topic of political correctness I am curious to know how many of you have taken the Political Compass Test

Might make for an interesting livestream aside for me to take this and talk about my responses and where I ultimately fall on the graph. I ask because I feel that single point analysis of a person's politics and beliefs is by definition really shallow. Before you think you really disagree with someone's politics or positions it's useful to dig a bit deeper... so, yeah, thoughts on that as well! 

From Shanghai with Icy Balls (not really, it's 40c outside), 

-American 

The (Anti-PC) Pun Cannon

Comments

Also the pastel hobby horse patch is amazing! Please do keep it that way. Alice isn't all flames and death. There is still a sweet child-likeness about her. That's what makes her Alice. Keeping that aesthetic is very important. The Mock Turtle patch is also a great concept. Please continue creating it.

I LOVE the ice grinder. There are definitely tons of uses to it and I think that's what should make a weapon a good weapon. Not only will it freeze enemies, it can also help Alice solve puzzles and travel distances that cannot be reached otherwise. The bargaining dress is beautiful. I think that should definitely be in the game because of its reference to the real Alice Liddell. I enjoy the original books, so including references in the game would add depth. The hospital dress is also amazing. I am not sure if it is necessary though unless we are spending time in the hospital after the fire? The hospital isn't exactly an integral part of the story. Plus we don't want to make the mistake of creating chapters that are too long like fans have complained about Madness Returns. Amazing work overall!

"Still she haunts me..." It was a prophecy.

I love the idea of an ice machine, but I also love the pepper grinder from Madness Returns. Is there a reason why you want to change it up, or is changing things up the reason in itself?

"Mock Turtle Ale patch" :D NICE! I really like the idea and would get one. A patch only insiders understand, but it also looks really cool for people who didn't dive into Alice's world yet... @American: In my opinion PC is important, but I don't understand people analysing others via the internet, they never met in person before. This is no place for political discussions, it's about ideas for a new awesome game! So I wouldn't mind those few narrow minded shallow beings trying to offend you. Keep up the good work! And sometimes it is wise to take a deep breath and not to publish everything one thinks if you are in a public spotlight ;-) Though it is sad, that this is the situation. Everyone should respect the right of free speech and the personal opinions of others...

I prefer the Bargaining Dress over Pleading Dress. Because it's more closer to the real Alice

Love this bargaining (or pleading) dress design. Don't have much to say about it, but I want to see it in the game.

I think Alice looks a lot better with her hair like that. That look also suits her age, I think; to me, Alice always fell between a creepy-cute dynamic, if that makes sense. Her weapons, dresses, Wonderland, etc always seem to retain her memories of childhood and her emerging in adulthood. I feel that you guys are still maintaining that balance. I’m really happy to read as well that you haven’t scrapped the suit dress; to me it looks like a Victorian walking dress and that’s time appropriate. That design reminded me of Mina Murray’s green walking dress in the 1992 Dracula movie.

Love the ice shaver weapon, it looks like a fun weapon to get to use. The text makes me imagine it's floating in a mirror or something similar, doesn't bother me. I'm sure whatever is decided will still have it looking amazing. I love the innocent look of the Pleading Dress. Patches, yes, especially a Mock Turtle one. Can't wait to get hold of that Chaos coin & display it with pride. 😀

I believe it was my comment Martin spent quite some time looking for. But yeah, I totally agree with every you just said, Master Junk.

I like her hair in pleading dress.

I think he's talking about how someone scolded him for saying "retarded".

As far as the card for the coin goes, I have to agree with what you said about the font not quite looking right and the slanted text being a bit odd. I feel like the “Chaos Coin” text should look a bit more disturbed, or maybe demonic

eman5112

Love the ice shaver the chaos coin stuff AMAZING love the front and back! Both the dresses are amazing! I love these new patches💗 so cute!!

I often watch more than comment, but I just wanted to say that the dresses (especially the pleading dress, it is just so cute and innocent), and the weapons (I love the ice shaver idea. I don't know how you plan on implementing skating but if you do, I would suggest a block puzzle where you push blocks so that you can align yourself with the exit as this is more fun then getting mad at constantly missing the exit because you slide too far), but those patch ideas are what made me REALLY want to comment. I am in love with the previous set, but oh man do I love these ideas too. I like the idea of Alice reaching towards the flaming house, the hobby horse is so cute but wicked, yet uplifting in in its name, which speaks to me as I've just finished having a rough go in my life, and the Mockturtle Ale actually made me laugh out loud, which doesn't happen often. TL;DR: You're all doing AWESOME! Please make the above patches a reality!

Really like the Ice shaving , it's kinda my favorite weapon right now, looks beautiful! And the collector card looks amazing! i want the chaos coin even more now!!! but yeah the skewed text look a bit off. As for the Pleading Dress i personally just do not like it at all! and now with the cute flowers even less! To me it just looks so much like a going to church on Sunday kinda dress!! but oh well... im happy that people are liking it. Like this there's a style for every taste. But the hospital dress its really cool!! Love the detail of the little white rabbit plushie. Would be cool to see that specific plushie come to life as the white rabbit when Alice arrives at wonderland . Showing that he was always with her. Now, since i'm feeling sassy, and "frankly my dear, i don't give a damn", i would just like to say to those people who think that they're super politically correct and that they "respect" everyone and feel so superior telling people that they can't say anything, without even seeing the context of the situation ...I feel offended... you have offended me !!!

I agree, I don't like the skewed text on the chaos coin card

Love both dresses, love the ice shaver, and love the patches ideas. The hobby horse needs to be worked on, but overall, I love them all, specially the mock turtle ale one!

Priscila Nosoma

Love the shaved ice weapon to death. the patches are so cute as usual, Jen never disappoints. Love the finalized version of the leading dress. The hospital gown miss great, Alice just seems oddly elongated there for some reason. It may just be my brain messing with me and that doesn't really matter as it is really just about the outfit session, which looks great. The text on the cards doesn't bother me being skewed, but whatever you guys decide honestly works for me.

As for the Patreon comments, the more I think about it, the more of an issue it's clearly getting to be. There used to be 25 or so comments per post and one post (or two max) between live streams. Now it's three plus posts with 50 comments per (at least!) each stream, and split between Martin trying to skim the comments and keep an eye on the live chat, stuff gets lost. I'll actually have to change my mind from what I filled out in that survey and say it might be time to start curating the Patreon comments/questions ahead of time. Otherwise, every stream will end up getting bogged down like the last one where Martin spent ten minutes going back to one comment over and over...the Font Lord deserves better!

First of all, the Chaos Coin card. The design of the metallic frame with the spikes and hearts is gorgeous, I do agree that the font is a little bit "meh" for an Item so special, maybe try to design it like the game's main font? though it doesn't bother me that much. I also agree that the small text on the side shouldn't be skewed. About the weapon, it looks interesting, I was hoping to have the ice element back to the game, It was fun (and refreshing) with the Ice Wand. The Hobby Horse looks good for a started lvl, I do like it more with the blood. The bloodier the merrier! Rust and black spikes are also good The new dress looks very sweet and innocent, I'm happy to see it was Inspired by an actual photo of Alice Liddell. The second dress also looks great, It makes me excited to think that we are going to see more of Alice's time at the hospital and the asylum. Though I don't remember her having bangs when the fire started, maybe one of the nurses took care of her hair while she was catatonic? I'm so curious about it all and it's not even the final design and I have ideas running wild in my head. :) I'm happy to see the thinking process , great job

WitchDoll

The dress designs are coming in strong; I love the subdued look for the Pleading Dress. Plus her Asylum dress is very apt for her irl situation. Every day I see something new about the Chaos Coin I get super excited. I'm also in love with the Ice Shaver. Can't wait to get my hands on it. But I'm confused - either I missed something or I'm having a dumb moment - but what does political correctness have to do with anything? Unless it's about any sexual themes? But that can't be the case since this game is supposed to focus on Alice actually accepting the fact that the fire did happen. I can't see how the sexual themes of Madness Returns would return in Asylum. (Then again, wasn't she sexually abused during her stay in Rutledge? Or was that only after she grew a bit older?) Or are people being pissy over the fact that it's about a 13yr old girl who has severe PTSD, trying to get to grips on reality, while also going under crude medical treatment in late 1800's mental asylums. Plus the can't say that her design is sexual in any way. Ugh. Regardless, some anvils do need to be dropped. Probably went off tangent - whoops. I'm just super confused.

DecayingInRed

Love the dresses and the Chaos Coin Card and everything! ^^ Can't wait to have the Coin in my hands :)

St. Thomas

Ice Shaver is proper Victorian, love it. The dresses here are both fit for purpose, so no quibbles about them. Alice's brow often seems too high but bangs suit her really well. Politically, I fall between Chomsky and Kropotkin, which isn't a surprise, I'm humanitarian, non-partisan and gender fluid. Yeah, that kind of free. We all have the same basic needs and anything else is a mask, spun from fear and lack of comprehension/compassion. Never thought I'd talk politics on here. Who started that? Naughty. Patreon comments on live streams are increasingly disruptive. Non-personalised summaries should be used to generate discussion topics at best

Have no words, this all looks beautiful

I like the "iceShaving" gun, just the ice ball is kinda weird (just because of the fact that it should shave the ice not creating an ice ball XD). I really LOVE the Pleading Dress like this, so cute and innocent looking (i just like the idea not only having a "bad-ass" Alice outfit all the time).

Jessi St.

I don't want to get into politics, but sometimes in some countries it doesn't matter what most people believe in, if the power is in wrong hands, just saying

Things are looking quite promising

I love everything in this post! The new weapon looks cool ;) the dresses are awesome as well. The mock turtle patch looks amazing! And I also love the NIN album with teeth!

Love Alice's hair and new dirty dress. Also very much looking forward to a the stream where you talk more politically as it's something I'm pretty passionate about. I've done the political compass test before, but I did this one just now. I'm nearly bang in the middle, just leaning over towards purple haha. I agree that we have more in common with others than we think. You have to go deeper than the 'who do you vote for' question.

I really like the new path ideas! Definitely she should continue work on the Hobby Horse, it's awesome and cute &lt;3 I like the idea of a Mock Turtle patch, but I'm not a fan of ale-thing. Doesn't suit with the character. While I adore everything Omri does, I feel like he's getting more on the right track with the dress designs now. The pleading dress design is great, though I feel like it could be, or gradually through the stage, become more torn and dirty. Maybe some scrapings on her knees from being 'down on her knees' begging and pleading. The hospital dress is great! It looks like it could be one of Alices own night gowns, like she crawled out of the fire in it. I like it when you're political. It's nice to see a passionate person not being afraid to voice his (or her) opinions, even if we/I don't agree. I think it's very healthy for people to see, that those we look up to are just humans like us, and not a god (for lack of better words). It's great and an important lesson, that while we all don't agree on everything, we can still respect each other and unite under a command goal. I believe that a persons political stand point says a lot about who they are, even if they say they don't have one. So here's my results of the test <a href="https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-6.13&amp;soc=-7.59" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-6.13&amp;soc=-7.59</a> While this getting to be a lengthy comment now, I have to say something about the ranking system someone suggested in the previous stream. I'm not really for it. I get, that people who pays more money, wants more bang for their buck. But, at this point, they already do, but if it goes further I fear that it will only divide us as a group. Exclusivity, like economic libertarianism, is great for those who can afford it and no one else. It devalues those of lesser means. I love this community, because I feel like my voice doesn't mean any more or any less, depending on how much money I give. SORRY for the novel, but you did ask for it to get political ;)

I want that shrinking violet patch. I love it!

I really like the Ice shaver ^_^

Catheryn Alice North

Yeah, the text would look better straight on rather than skewed.

I love the patches, especially the hobby horse! Also the chaos coin card looks great, I love Alice and the cat in their traditional pose from the first game but updated with the new styles. The text skewed does look odd and either the whole thing, including the frame, should be skewed or just go straight

obviously, the Mock Turtle Ale patch will be my fav :3

I literally LOVE the new designs , it is an amazing work and all the new weapons and vests are incredibly cool , also ,I wanted to know, how would the in-game text reward work ? I'm excited for the coin!!!

I feel like Alice's legs in the Pleading Dress are too far apart, giving her a odd looking frame. Hip width increases more as she'd age, and she was never that 'wide' to begin with. For the hospital outfit, I'd like to think nurses would wash off the ash at some point? This could work upon entering, but not after a couple of weeks in there. Dirty dress and such seems fine, just not fire related. And I'm really excited for the card with the coin!

I like that Alice’s hair is longer now with the Pleading Dress.

Justin Cole


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