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Let's talk about no-balls futa - animation related!

This post is for all patrons, as will be the potential follow-up poll on the subject. It kinda depends on how the discussion in the comments here pans out.

Here's the situation:

I have a fully animation-ready rig that I can use in Maya to animate Mari, or anyone else for that matter. It exports out anything else that is attached to the character, like the genitalia setup in the picture above. It gives it bones, weight maps, UV's, shaders, everything. Completely ready to go.

I've always done futa with balls + pussy. But as some of you might've noticed if you studied my renders closely, the cock I've always used is a separate prop. It's not part of the girls' main body, but something I just put near it. Then with smart camera angles or some photoshopping afterwards, I make things look seamless and do a 50/50 job of it in my opinion. It's certainly not workable for animation: I don't want the seams to be visible, but I also don't want to photoshop hundreds upon hundreds of animation frames individually.

The gens as you see them in that picture would resolve this complication for me, because they attach to the mesh. They're instantly animateable. The problem is just that you have to choose: balls, or pussy. I've tried to avoid having to make this choice by working together with other people in attaching a separate dick after exporting the rig. But that's been causing us more trouble than we currently know how to deal with.

If we want an animation ready character, the simple fact that we currently have to concede to is this: when we export her to Maya, she has to come out of Daz Studio ready to go. It all has to be there. Anything we try to add after the fact breaks the whole character down and makes it unuseable. There's an argument to be made that there is a solution, we just don't know which one. And that we'd have to work to figure that out. But there's a limit to both my budget and our time, and I'm eager to move forward.

So, let's look at the pros of going no balls:

1) It allows for some more variety. There's no saying I wouldn't be able to add balls to other futa girls in the future, so certainly as far as animation goes I don't want to concede here and say that it's never going to happen. You have to master the technology, not let the technology master you.

2) From a narrative PoV within Lust Unleashed itself, Carter Aesthetics could technically make anything. If you walk in there and you wanna be a futanari goddess, the choice is all yours right? It'd be sillier probably if only pussy + balls dickgirls existed.

3) The current character lineup is four dickgirls, two girls. That lineup might expand soon, but no promises yet. It'd be nice if between the dickgirls there was a bit more variety as to what they were packing.

The argument against no balls is probably that Mari has always had em, but honestly I do feel that to try and get balls right is a more interesting project for the second animation than the first.

Where do you guys stand on this? Because personally I just really want to move forward with animating, and the whole genitalia situation has really been the main holdup the last year. But the above picture is how I could export Mari out right away, no further adjustments required.

Let's hear the pros and cons from all of you.

Let's talk about no-balls futa - animation related!

Comments

I love the no balls look!! give just a tad more muscle to the labia of the outer pussy. making a tight grab on another dick going in her as she cums.

Didn't go anywhere! Still have em haha. Anyway, I'll have a new post about the balls situation soon :)

TheDude3DX

I really love the no-balls look. Whe're 70+ years in the future and can modify anything genetically - why bother with outside sperm production that can also be taken care off internaly? Additional thought: the no-balls cock could potentially be fuck up the urethra and trought the pussy if internal routing was done right. - Just a point to start thinking from.

nobody333

Gotta keep the balls man. Also, what happened to the old dick models?

Space Banker

Big thumbs up for Balls! No balls looks like it's missing something...

Yeah I understand that. I'll put out a few new renders soon, might change your mind!

TheDude3DX

I have to agree with all this. Nicely said by my opinion

Raziel Crowley

No balls is a no go for me, i feel like removing the balls, just makes it look off and weird, i just simply dont see it being appealing too me at all :(

Chris3DX

Alright so there's a lot to go through here. Allow me to give you my take on this debate from a creative/artistic point of view. In my average day to day life I'm a big proponent of carefully considered language. I attach a lot of value to the meanings of words, from subliminal to literal, and I always make a point to try and select my words carefully. It's a good debate strategy for one, but also it helps frame conversations with people in general a little bit better. So I'm with you on that. But there's a large part of your post where I get very hesitant to even engage with it, and that's because in a way engaging with the essence of your argument already goes against a convinction I've held for a long time when it comes to how I treat this job. So here's me, doing it just once :D I'm a very political person, but not in my work. I won't hesitate to give you my opinion on a subject, or engage in a debate, but not in my work. So I really do try to avoid politics and politically charged language in every way possible, and the reason for that is not because I'm afraid that people will stop supporting me if they disagree, but because I vehemently believe that not everything can be politics. There have to be spaces in life where you're just absolutely free of political context and where it's all about indulging your own interests and enjoying them unapologetically. The porn I make has to be that. And specialising in the genre that I do, especially having hosted a tumblr blog for so long, I've always been worried that sooner or later I'd get dragged into the trans debate, and with that the language debate. Whether from a right wing perspective or a left wing perspective, that's not a debate I'm interested in getting involved in. These girls are fiction, it's meant to be fiction, it's meant to be escapism. There's a reason I lean super hard into a heavily exaggerated, stylised glamour aesthetic. It's supposed to be intuitively understood as a separate world from the one we know. Reading this I understand if you feel like I might be accusing you of anything. I'm not. Only of writing a post that is meaningful, but that skirts too closely to a debate I find potentially troublesome. Because the reason I am super careful with my words in real life is precisely because I award great legitimacy to the subjects I discuss. Tiptoeing around language in my professional sphere would mean that I afford the same legitimacy to trans issues within a fictional futa/dickgirl porn context. I do not. At all. This is just fun and it's not meant to reflect in any way, shape, or form on an ongoing debate and discussion on the structuring of trans-related language in a political sense. These are just glammy bimbos with giant dicks because people like to fantasise about glammy bimbos with giant dicks. I don't believe in making it more complicated than that, and I very much don't believe that being precise with trans-specific, or generally scientific, terminology is good for the long term health of this genre as a whole. I view what I make more as Star Wars, less as Star Trek. My girls are space wizards with laser swords, not starship engineers maintaining hull integrities, if you catch my drift. Let people make the rudimentary distinctions that they need to find the specific subtype of porn that they like, but let's stay away from using language in such a way that we appear as communicating correctly to a demographic of people that exists wholly outside of a pornographic reality. If this reply is overly long or perhaps even an overreaction, I'm sorry :D I guess I kinda got going here. Ultimately my TLDR is this: I'm the wrong artist to engage in a discussion about pronouns, transgender considerations, transphobia, or anything that tries to connect this fictional world we're enjoying to the actual world we're living in, and all the problems that come with it. I hope you understand. I do appreciate your feedback and I don't at all fault you for having posted it. Since it was such a long comment it warranted a lengthy response in return. Please don't shy away from commenting in the future haha. If I misunderstood where you were coming from, I apologise. Please let me know if that was the case :)

TheDude3DX

For me no balls looks better.

wpw

I personally prefer no balls

Tricky

No I agree, though I could do a no-vagina dickgirl in the future. But that'd have to be a new character. For now the absolutely minimum for all these girls is that they have pussies.

TheDude3DX

Going to echo the other sentiments of vagina over the testicles. Some variety is nice, and it allows for interesting lore and stories to be told.

Nevermore

Haha I love it! Great comment :D

TheDude3DX

In my book, a faster output (to get the balls rolling) beats ballgames (which don't need to be the centre of attention of a futa anyway) or "canon" for that matter (as in: "the character was first depicted with a set of neatly waxed balls"). Have some balls - and let her have none!

Fridolin Bernstein

Whoa.. so many opinions; Good ones at that. I really wouldn't mind no balls. I'm in favor of whatever will let you start pushing out animations. I'd be really ok with you getting them perfect for future productions. I know a lot of comments focus on having balls and no vaginas... but I can't picture these girls without vaginas. That would change the dynamic way too much in my opinion. That would mean all sex would be anal. It would mean no DPs whatsoever. I think Mari looks incredible in that render. Balls can come later when you get them to the point you're happy with them and can animate them to your standards <3

DecoX

I agree with the sentiment but disagree pretty strongly with the minutia of Bob Fink's definitions. This is important to get right and stick to, because clearly there's a ton of confusion surrounding the terminology, and more than a few active landmines we might step on. Statistically speaking, human beings are only born with one set of genitals, defining what is medically referred to as the “sex” of the individual. Female-presenting but genetically-male individuals are considered MtF transgender, with the finer-grain term "transsexual" indicating that hormones or surgery have been involved in the transition. The Pronoun Patrol would tell us that the derivative terms "tranny" and near-perfect synonym "shemale" are transphobic; "trap" is either more or less derogatory, depending on who you ask. In any event, letting identity-politics types make final calls about language hasn’t historically done anyone any good (least of all them), and here in the real world we can hopefully avoid any further debate by calling female-gendered, male-sexed people simply “trans”. Futas, herms, and dickgirls exist outside the confines of medicine and science. I’m rather fond of “dickgirl” in the full-package context often used in Aff3D circles, but it’s troublesome because it has been used extensively to describe IRL trans people where there are no vaginas involved. I consider “dickgirl” a cute spice synonym when everyone understands exactly what’s being discussed, but pretty much useless for gritty discussions like this. Since we already have a term for anything lacking a vagina, and nobody is asking for combos like pussy/balls/no dick tho, we really only need firm terms for ball-less hermaphrodites and full-package futanari (remembering that the latter is roughly just Japanese for the former). This is admittedly a personal crusade because I’m sick of having this identical debate over and over, but I think the way these words are being used in the wild reinforces my preference – “herm” demands the existence of both genitals but is free to connote a lack of testicles (making “dickgirl” a distant second choice if you must), with “futanari” reserved strictly and only for full-package dick/balls/pussy females. The final nail in this debate should be that this also jives with scientifically understood hermaphroditism in other animals – in some species it is transformative and uncommonly bidirectional, keeping in line with “clit becomes dick” fantasies, and also used to scientifically describe “complete or partial reproductive organs” – whereas the more mystical-sounding “futanari” is associated with a permanent state and/or a magical or technological origin. I don’t even particularly care about my preference winning so much as I care about having some kind of linguistic standard here – we can’t even have a productive conversation about dickgirl balls with language this fluid! 😂 Anyway… Personally, I strongly prefer full futas in all my 3DX, but I ain’t trying to fap to anything that doesn’t involve at least one pussy. Variety is nice, so I can live with a herm rig – sorting out gens is no joke. 😉

Degenernate

Yeah support for a no-balls animation seems to be pretty high. And you're right, it really is a matter of having to make choices, because I just can't get everything done that I want to at the level I currently operate at. It's kind of a bummer, but I've been putting animation off for two years due to this, and enough is enough :P

TheDude3DX

It does sound as if you have decided or that the decision has sort of been made for you. Best to go with the flow, however a pussy and cock marriage still has choices, do we have a clit or is the cock an overgrown clit? A separate well built pussy and clit is my personal choice but there is a problem with the pussy package creeping too high up the base of the cock undermining the cocks structural integrity. I do not have a problem with the pure dickgirl or shemale but I can sense a lot of your followers do. The choices we make.

Jack Pinder

Going to try this again. Personally, I really like the girls the way they are. We've all become familiar with the girls with the "complete" package from all your works through the years. It's worked really, really well and you've given us some INCREDIBLE renders and stories with them! That being said, if going balls free helps you to move into the animation arena more comfortably and faster then I say "Full speed ahead!" I have to say though, I do hope that when you "master this technology" that the girls will get all their equipment back. I'll really like how your renders have always had the perfect proportions for all the equipment. Also the girls have always enjoyed pleasuring each other using every available part of themselves, so losing the pussy would seem to me to make it less enjoyable for the girls. I do also agree with you that variety is a good thing. Having different packages for the girls could make them more unique. This is also true of any girls that are coming in the future. As your skills get better with the animation I would like to see you restore the original 4 girls to their former glory and maybe the girls added later could be a bit different. REALLY looking forward to your first animation!

Zdoria

I don't really have a preference, but since I've seen all your girls with balls for so long, seeing them without would be a bit jarring.

Enigmatic Entity

Same, actually. Wasn't aware Patreon was censoring people for trying to discuss completely fictional gender terminology in a rational way, but I guess I'm not surprised.

Degenernate

posted my thoughts on this a bit ago but it's not showing. hope you got a chance to see them

Zdoria

always preferred no balls & a pussy, but whatever you want to do I'm fine with

Name

Cock and pussy, no balls. As ppl said its the defenition of futa girl. And if you take away the pusse you take away something that make her a woman and I dont think the girls would like it either. And if it makes animations come out faster then Im happy :D

Kiman

I would like girls the way they are now. Balls and pussy. But I understand that it can be very difficult to work with as you have written here,and as someone already pointed out here, girls with just cock and balls without pussy are shemales. And this doesn't work for me at all personally. Especially in your girls case. And it's also true that the real futanari has cock from their clit with no balls (Bible Black is an EXCELLENT example... But they were using magic there...) anyway what I want to say... Please DEFINITELY keep the pussy at any cost and just remove the balls if you have to. Like you did to Mari at the shot above.

Raziel Crowley

I've always preferred the no balls with pussy option, and while I've learned to appreciate other flavors, it will always be my first choice.

Josh Greiner

Have always actually preferred the no-balls futa girl based on some of my favorite futa fiction. Some people have it as the clit transforming to the cock, others have it a separate ball-less cock coming from above a fully normal pussy w/clit (creating the possibility for multiple points of maximum stimulation and different types of orgasm. I could go either way on that but prefer the latter - the cock is distinct from the clit. As long as were on this topic, another good element for story possibilities is the retractable cock - a futa whose cock can slide back inside her body leaving her appearing indistinguishable from a girl (aside from her otherwise inhumanly fantastic figure). Such a futa may have extreme control and can let her cock come forth and harden on command, others don’t have such control and may find their (very difficult to conceal) futa covk hardening and coming out whenever she becomes too aroused. Your backstories so far would suggest that Tatiana would have the extreme control and could morph her body as it suits her, but that perhaps Mari lacks the experience and control, and has the “covk with a mind of its own” like a horny teenager. Such story aspects work better when a futa may have some reason to try to hide her true nature, but in your world that’s less of an issue since society is aware of the Carter Industries and Russian technologies in radical sexual body mods. So if you were a futa, maybe not much need to ever conceal it. But maybe sometimes they just choose to enjoy a sexual experience as a traditional girl - or surprise an unsuspecting partner - and start an encounter with cock retracted.

Vibratos M Blaster

Personally I feel like a futa must have a pussy or it's just a shemale. I also feel like the no-balls variant of futas gives a very unique aesthetic and looks very sexy. Not sure if I prefer a futa with balls or not, but one thing I feel that is always lacking in futa porn is the focus on the pussy. Maybe it's weird to want to see a futa's pussy more than her dick. And it looks like you already have a very good looking model ready to animate so you may as well animate the no balls version

I think variety is excellent. Even though everything you make is stellar, if everything is the same it might get bland after a while. I also agree with Bob Fink, with one minor tweak. My belief and extent of research shows that a dickgirl refers to any female form with a cock (balls or no balls), a futa refers to both cock and pussy, and shemale usually refers to cock, balls, and no pussy. However, Miro's Sayako has the entire package (no pun intended) having balls, cock, AND a pussy. I do think that you should do no balls and start animating.

TgFervor

Sure! If anything it'd be pretty easy to render haha

TheDude3DX

Personally I Prefer no balls with pussy. The definition Bob Fink gave is also how I personally separate Dickgirls and Futa girls. But as Samsungnote007 says both work for me, since variety makes it fun! Also Mari looks great like that. =D

Kat Angel

Hmm so what if in my first anim I have a futa fuck a dickgirl? That seems to be a nice solution.

TheDude3DX

Some very creative solutions here, I like these :D

TheDude3DX

go no balls, i agree the lineup needs a little variation.

Lying Lark

Balls, no Pussy, if I had to choose but it really isn't that big a deal to me. There is always the thought of using balls as the great measurement tool of "She's taking it Balls-Deep". The base-of-cock pussy is a bit disconcerting at times, just looks weird sometimes. I mean, that's basically making them A-Sexual right? If she has cock and a pussy, could she still get pregnant? Not Important at all, just wondering because I have never really been told the true definition of a futa. See? I'm off in the weeds already. If balls are introduced, I'm not a fan of them being proportional to their cock size, they would be massive - kneeknockers and ridiculous. Just some standard, maybe exagerated a little bit, and tight, so my lovelies can continue their super sexiness wardrobes. Or, crazy idea, Carter Industries could make a "tonight, I'm going Balls-Out" optional pill or Bar-Code scan, Phone App, Beam-Me-Nuts Scotty. In the end, this is your art and I love it, render on my friend.

Ranger2Bravo

Just make her a tranny. I'll talk with my therapist about it later.

Space Banker

I vote for the no balls option if you're talking futanari, a true futanari doesn't have balls but a clit that turns into a dick when stimulated. Now if you're talking Dick Girls, as in transgendered then balls are part of the package and no pussy. That's just my two cents worth.

Bob Fink

Personal taste: I've always preferred futa's to have balls, cock, and NO pussy. I also love futa anal sex. Your work has been an outlier in my tastes because you include pussies, but it's such excellent work (and stories) that I don't mind. I feel I'd enjoy your animations, because of your skill, even without balls, but they wouldn't be near as sexy to me as a futa with balls. The whole package, the ability to tease, abuse, fondle, or suck every part is very sexy. A cock and pussy alone feels very hollow and incomplete from a personal enjoyment level. But, as I said, I'd prefer no pussy, just cock and balls, but i've managed to enjoy all your work, so I expect that would continue in the future if you went ball-less. PS if you ever want to do a fetish involving extreme orgasm denial, cockrings and ball chastity, im down for that.

Grayve

The obvious pro would be that you can animate things more quickly and fluidly from what you said and that it would make scenes easier to do since the girl would be one hole girl as I understand it. The only real con I can see is that you may be altering characters in a way that some may not like. I am ultimately for you moving forward with what you have now as this way you will be able to put out more content for the month and I find your art fantastic already so I can be patient and wait for you to find a final solution that would allow you to animate however you like. I would also not be opposed to mixing up some of the looks of the girls like you have done previously like maybe some girls have balls, some don't, and some just have both. This could add to the backstory of how the girls became dickgirls if that is something you would want to pursue. Just my slightly more than 2 cents 😋

Thomas Flores

I like both; that is, I like the cock+pussy version as well as the cock+balls. My preference is cock+pussy as i think a dickgirl isn't a girl without her vag. So Mari as pictured above works for me!

Samsungnote007

Balls all the way!

Tiresias


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