30 March dev test version
Added 2019-03-30 16:19:57 +0000 UTCShort dev test version with customisable face, and new boob artwork. This version ends right after the character creation screen.
I'm not sure about the boobs. <:-/ Now I can see it working on randomised body types, I think the E size might be too big. Putting this out there for feedback – what do you guys think?
As usual please don't share this file with others – it's incomplete, and would give new players a terrible first impression of the game (because it ends immediately after character creation). I would hate to see copies of dev tests out in the wild, because they'd harm the reputation of the game. This is for your eyes only!
Comments
I like 'em! Though, as others have noted, a few things for improvement: Bigger breasts (D+) should have the nipples just a teensy bit further down, to account for the greater volume of flesh. Also there's the aforementioned seam at the top of the breasts that could be smoothed out. And I'm also gonna second maybe pulling in the shoulder width a bit. I've heard it described that an 'ideal' lady's shoulders (from the outside edge of the shoulder) are roughly as wide as or juuust slightly wider than her hips. In other words, the line from the armpit to hip bows out on females, whereas with men it's straight or bowed in. Even with athletically built ladies with 'broader' shoulders, it's usually an illusion because what you're really seeing is the hips are far more narrow, but their shoulders are relatively the same proportions compared to the head, torso, etc. (Unless they're bodybuilders, but that's a whole 'nother thing.) The E cups do look big. But they're probably okay as a feasible 'this is about as big as it gets without affecting general physical tests'? I dunno if it's just me, but it does seem like there was a skipped size between the D and DD. DD looks like what I would expect the E to be. The new face customizing stuff looks great too! Love it! I almost wish the avatar could be bigger so I could see all details even better. I'd also be able to better tell if some of the noses are just slightly too close to the mouths or if that's just an illusion.
Senaar
2019-04-01 21:21:41 +0000 UTCThe three things I notice is the gap between the shoulders and the boobs being significant wide and how square the shoulders are where they should be a little more sloped...GTA has the same issue, and a more minor issue on the nipples; breasts tend to hang outwards...this may help once fake breasts are implemented as those kinda jut forward.
Sam Kelly
2019-04-01 02:18:24 +0000 UTC100% agree! The first thing I noticed was the shoulders looked huge on all body types. I mean, that could be something people could choose, wide shoulders, which would give a native boost to swimming, but @Sheol's mockups of the narrower shoulders are a massive improvement.
Toadsith
2019-04-01 00:30:13 +0000 UTCHmm, since I can not speak English myself, many subtleties are lost through the translation. had interpreted it differently - as you certainly noticed on the basis of my answer. So, Crush's tits and your shoulders = want to have.
Falloutbabe
2019-03-31 18:42:05 +0000 UTCHere I have to add, that I lowered the nipples to try to give the breast some look of slight sagging, rather than looking like a boobjob. In the end it is just food for the thought and I hope crushstation experiments with the ideas I toss around and sees how easy it is for them to implement them in a test version.
Sheol
2019-03-31 17:02:56 +0000 UTCIf you combine your narrower shoulders with the higher nipples, this testifies to a fresh and youthful Kate with heavy but shapely breasts. Even if you have not changed the actual breast shape, this now suggests plump and tighter breasts compared to the lower nipples. Nice work.
Falloutbabe
2019-03-31 16:47:41 +0000 UTCAs for the boobs. I think the issue (except the obvious seam, which still needs to be gradiented out) is the placement of the nipples. Boobs naturally sag a little and you normally see that especially at the nipples. If you want to achieve a fake look, you just need to raise the nipples to be at the very center of the breast... especially big breasts, not so much small breasts. (Also breasts tend to get lifted if the breast owner raises her arms above her head.) So I made once again a quick edit and removed the seam on both pictures and made a comparision between the nipple heights (and censor everything cause Patreon >.>). See for yourself if you prefer them placed a little lower. For that I used the biggest breast size currently available in the test version: <a href="https://gyazo.com/6390dd85ff20c47b735be78373d5f625" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://gyazo.com/6390dd85ff20c47b735be78373d5f625</a> The censorship sadly makes it a bit less obvious.
Sheol
2019-03-31 15:45:24 +0000 UTCIt's not that I don't think there should be no consequences for breasts that big, I just don't thing they should be locked out of the operator path completely just for having them. It should result in a very different experience, yes, but I believe that girls with breasts that size can still be operatives, at least when operating in the realm of an adult spy porn game.
deamonmaster
2019-03-31 14:16:16 +0000 UTCThe shading makes a lot of (positive) difference. But maybe the shading is too sharp? I'm not sure, but it's possible that it would look even better if the shading was lighter/more transparent.
Breadloaf
2019-03-31 13:24:25 +0000 UTCI was a bit distracted when I wrote, so maybe I wasn't that precise :). I agree on that the sizes look just fine. I also agree on that another cupsize would be nice. I agree somewhat with both you and Crushstation on the gameplay implications. I read through that discussion and noticed that Crush thought that an agent with huge breasts could be delegated to desk service, while you think that it should have no implications what so ever. I personally think that it should only have very slight implications, for example getting -1 on coordination if the agent has huge breasts. That would signify that the agent can be dextrous and athletic, but less likely than if she was slim. Or not - it is a porn game, so realism isn't a dealbreaker.
Breadloaf
2019-03-31 13:20:29 +0000 UTCLooking at your two designs, I would always prefer the narrower shoulders.
Falloutbabe
2019-03-31 09:34:42 +0000 UTCIt makes no difference to me, they all book horrible.
Secondarian
2019-03-31 03:32:55 +0000 UTCGonna have to agree with deamonmaster I like me some bigger boobs so they look fine to me, though oddly enough the smaller boobs look like fake boobs at least to me other then that the eyes, mouth, and nose look fine as well
Oswald Gonzalez Jr
2019-03-31 03:00:25 +0000 UTCLooking at them again, the smaller sizes do look a bit weird, but I usually make busty agents so it doesn't really bother me that much as the bigger sizes look fine.
deamonmaster
2019-03-31 01:53:42 +0000 UTCI'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not. I think that the current array of breast sizes shouldn't have any stat penalties to them, and only minor effects on the story. I also want a bigger size (or sizes, but that's asking too much) that would have a more significant impact on story events. At least up until we reach Bangkok, at that point you can just treat her mostly the same as girls with gigantic fake tits and just change some things around to reflect the fact they are natural. Though a Kink Vignette where people think her breasts are fake because of their enormous size and you have to "prove" they aren't would be great.
deamonmaster
2019-03-30 23:31:45 +0000 UTCI agree. E/DDD is pretty huge, which created a cognitive boob dissonance for me earlier when playing as a busty agent. +1 on what you've said earlier - and I would just like to add that big gameplay alterations aren't really needed if a player had a busty agent. Something like a -1 on coordination would be enough (considering that big breasts doesn't mean that you are clumsy and unathletic, while adressing the fact that elite gymnasts are in fact lithe), I think.
Breadloaf
2019-03-30 21:28:03 +0000 UTCI'm sorry to be this direct, but I don't like the new boobs AT ALL and I do feel very strongly about it. They don't look like a harmonious part of the body but rather like the 2d dots they are, you can even see the edges. It looks like someone is making a fried egg on the PCs torso. And the proportions with the shoulders, I don't know man...
Secondarian
2019-03-30 21:16:16 +0000 UTCLooks a lot better to me.
deamonmaster
2019-03-30 20:08:04 +0000 UTCI feel like the shoulders of the body types are rather unbalanced. You tried to make one shape work with each body type, working mostly on the waist and hip size to create a different shape. But as result the lean shape has pretty wide shoudlers and only at the curvy shape it looks ok.. though due to the nature of the curvy shape it results in a rather stocky look due to the wide shoulders. I made some quick edit of the body shape lean and curvy to compare it with smaller shoulders. Lean: <a href="https://gyazo.com/a3d6aedfd065aa78c4ebddec36e9e5d9" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://gyazo.com/a3d6aedfd065aa78c4ebddec36e9e5d9</a> Curvy: <a href="https://gyazo.com/eb16b568e180aa7fac7e6c22356206f4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://gyazo.com/eb16b568e180aa7fac7e6c22356206f4</a> Might be a bit too idealized and too much depending on the taste, though I prefer a bit smaller shoulders myself.
Sheol
2019-03-30 19:36:26 +0000 UTCI don't think those boobs are too big, and that isn't just my continuing efforts to convince you to make a bigger boob size with storyline implications talking. I genuinely think that those boobs are fine for whatever generic use you want to put them towards. Speaking of which, as I said would probably be the case in my post on the 1.4.7 version While I like the new size I still think a bigger version would be nice. Everything I want to say right now is over there, so I'm not going to repost it. Just check there for my thoughts on how I personally think you should handle boob size. I'm just one guy though, but I know at least a couple others think the same way I do. I will add one more thing though. The header for your Patreon says you are making an "adult chicksplotation game" I'm sure there will be people who disagree, but I would hazard a guess that most of the people supporting you don't mind if you forgo realism on occasion in the name of making things sexier.
deamonmaster
2019-03-30 17:20:08 +0000 UTC
