itsbenkim / 'Muddy Water' Live (Seungmin, I.N, Bangchan, Lee Know)

It’s okay you shift from being Hyunjin bias to Seungmin bias. Even Hyunjin himself is Seungmin bias 😂

Mc Lynn

2024-06-19 09:38:18 +0000 UTC

Seungmin! Child! Where did that come from?!

April Dawn

2024-05-25 05:13:52 +0000 UTC

Kim you have t listened the originals to, coz those four switch there song performances.. previous song made by Chris, Sungmin, IN, and LeeNow, and this mad by Chang Ben, Han Hyunjin and Felix

Diana Suhhan

2024-05-24 22:51:23 +0000 UTC

One week later you tell us on youtube Seungmin was your bias hahaha i like that. Seungmin muddy water is my roman empire.

Kimgoldess

2024-05-21 18:08:28 +0000 UTC

you NEED to watch the original performances with the original units its so worth it

Millie b

2024-04-25 20:15:57 +0000 UTC

Okay I’m Seungmin biased and I love him in this but people sleep on I.N in this like S L A Y

Ella-May Evans

2024-04-17 22:08:37 +0000 UTC

Yes Please

RikkaLove07

2024-04-15 21:05:06 +0000 UTC

ngl vocal unit did a better job with a rap song than the other way around but it was to be expected. Singing is much harder. Especially for Lix and Hyunjin who are basically mainly dancers.

Zuz P

2024-04-14 05:06:25 +0000 UTC

The rap and vocal team swapped songs for this fanmeet. Please check out the original version also.

dddlkn

2024-04-13 04:50:03 +0000 UTC

Pls check the original ver Ben🧍🏻‍♀️🧍🏻‍♀️🧍🏻‍♀️

22Elisa12

2024-04-06 18:56:10 +0000 UTC

Ok I love the swapped versions but it would be really cool if you checked out the original versions of waiting for us and muddy water lol

Katie Grossman

2024-04-06 03:29:26 +0000 UTC

Reaction to Lee Know love me or leave me an I.N I don love you pleaseeeeeee

Bota

2024-04-05 23:18:20 +0000 UTC

Seungmin is like a sleeper cell when it comes to rapping, bro kills it.

TC

2024-04-03 17:22:10 +0000 UTC

Same

Rae

2024-03-27 03:20:31 +0000 UTC

Bang Chan's solo performance of Baby is awesome.

Lindsey Ardoin

2024-03-26 23:36:31 +0000 UTC

Lee Know growls in the Hall of Fame performance at the Golden Disc Awards I believe. 👀

Alex

2024-03-26 22:16:50 +0000 UTC

How did they all manage to steal the show?

Alexi Gray

2024-03-26 13:55:22 +0000 UTC

Ben you can have more than one bias lmao. I personally bias all of them esp their father.

Dina Baybez

2024-03-25 21:24:09 +0000 UTC

Seungmin rapping Han's part is absolutely ICONIC. Would love to see you respond to the original units performing their songs. Muddy Water: Han, Changbin, Hyunjin, Felix Waiting For Us: Seungmin, IN, Bang Chan, Lee Know You'll get a taste of the originals. I really appreciate both of the units switching. I very much enjoy seeing them do this.

Mia Lynn

2024-03-25 17:18:28 +0000 UTC

Channie trying to imitate Felix deep voice in this song gets me everytime xD

Julia

2024-03-25 16:50:25 +0000 UTC

If you want more rap from all members, you should check "the tortoise and the hare" and "maze of memories" <3

namiko

2024-03-25 16:26:47 +0000 UTC

AWWW Stay squad up ❣️ Seungmin for sure had a BLAST getting to cover Muddy Water and he loves being the secret main rapper of Skz 😂 Such a menace, I love him lol.

Amanda Allen

2024-03-25 15:20:42 +0000 UTC

yes please please😭

Mya

2024-03-25 15:01:05 +0000 UTC

This was a great performance. This my first time hearing IN and Seungmin rap. I’m not surprised that they can. Stray kids are so versatile.You don’t have to switch biases. You can have a bias and bias wrecker.

Rashele Wright

2024-03-25 14:51:48 +0000 UTC

Loved that they switched songs for this, it was so nice seeing the rap line doing vocals and vice versa 100/10 <3

Nora Barraza

2024-03-25 12:59:25 +0000 UTC

I admit it took me TOO long to notice that they had swapped the unit songs xD But I am all for rapping I.N. :D

Jennifer H

2024-03-25 06:48:25 +0000 UTC

the reason bangchan has to make that silly face trying t hit the low notes, this was originally a rap-line song, and of course, chan is covering his fellow aussie's lines

Thea Billa

2024-03-25 05:53:38 +0000 UTC

I love this seungmin too 😭😭

Tamara G H

2024-03-25 04:07:46 +0000 UTC

brodie pls react to ateez content plssssss!!!!!

Aliana Francis

2024-03-25 04:02:08 +0000 UTC

Would love if you reacted to all their “one take” vids!!! You can really hear their lovely voices!!

Jazzy

2024-03-25 03:18:45 +0000 UTC

Please react to the og units doing these songs!!!!

Kate Ramsey

2024-03-25 02:54:52 +0000 UTC

Please react to the original versions next! There are live versions of those too i'm pretty sure!! (Chan was doing that voice 'cause it was Felix's' part and he sings it very low lol) (Also, this reaction was so fun to watch! Your commentary was really there throughout, and with props! Love it lmao) Here's Muddy Water live (OG line-up)- youtube.com/watch?v=l6ICaihtqZQ Waiting For Us live (OG line-up)- youtube.com/watch?v=fFOrDNW1DBQ

Giuli M

2024-03-25 01:12:06 +0000 UTC

looool I knew Ben was gonna love this performance because Seungmin really shines! But seriously them swapping the "Waiting for Us" and "Muddy Water" teams was really them straight up saying "all 8 of us are all rounders" and I love it

Sora H

2024-03-25 00:30:43 +0000 UTC

Chan trying the deep voice rap of Felix was amazing hahaha but it also fitted him so well since it's all in english.. Lee Know with Hyunjin parts too, they both have this different kinda rap.. And I.N with Seungmin doing Han and Changbin's part? They slayed!!

Lari

2024-03-25 00:29:40 +0000 UTC

Rap line and Vocal Line switched for Wainting for Us and Muddy Water. Bang Chan switched with Felix, Seungmin with Han, Lee Know with Hyunjin and I.N with Changbin

Chaaa

2024-03-24 22:42:41 +0000 UTC

Basically for context, waiting for us is actually sang by these 4. And muddy water is the other 4’s song (Felix, changbin, hyunjin, Han). So for these performances (this one and the last vid you posted) they switched songs.

Kamea Peterman

2024-03-24 21:52:20 +0000 UTC

SEUNGMIIIIIN 🔥 He ATE and left no crumbs.

Alexa

2024-03-24 21:23:51 +0000 UTC

Watch MAMA 2022 PLEASE💕

Hannah🎸

2024-03-24 18:42:50 +0000 UTC

the urge to educate lmao like i was about to type the same things, but all the comments are already saying that its a swapped-up performance hfhf, i believe Ben will notice it

takoyaki

2024-03-24 18:35:04 +0000 UTC

The vocal and rap line actually swapped on stage as entertainment to Stay. Deep part is Felix’s part. During the Dome tour sunglasses was actually the thing and members took turns to wear them in different performances😂😂

Green Hayes

2024-03-24 18:08:06 +0000 UTC

You need to watch the original performances now! The rap line (Changbin, Hyunjin, Han, and Felix) sings Muddy Water, and the vocal line (Chan, Lee Know, Seungmin, and I.N) sings Waiting for Us.

Loxy_

2024-03-24 18:04:28 +0000 UTC

Yeah it would've been better if he knew the original ones first, for sure. But this way it's also funny, because these swaps are a slay. Hopefully he'll get it. He even used the og muddy water in the outro.

niki

2024-03-24 17:57:57 +0000 UTC

YES! I LOVE IT! 💞💞😄😄👌👌👏👏❤️❤️

holubova.minaSTAY97

2024-03-24 16:53:52 +0000 UTC

originally this team actually sings "waiting for us" and the other team (hyunjin, changbin, Han, Felix) sing "muddy water" that's why you were confused in "waiting for us" about why seungmin was not with them. and that's why chan is trying to have a deep voice, it was originally Felix's part. they basically switched and you can tell they were playing around with it haha.

Strawbinnii

2024-03-24 16:48:19 +0000 UTC

now we need to see the original teams performing these because it needs to come full circle

GeorginaMarie95

2024-03-24 16:47:53 +0000 UTC

BEN PICK A BIAS OR J BIAS BOTH 🤧😭 Seungmin or hyunjin I can’t keep up

123rachagetspotlight

2024-03-24 16:32:27 +0000 UTC

Chan tryna do the deep voice has me 😭😭 I can’t he was struggling 😭

123rachagetspotlight

2024-03-24 16:30:40 +0000 UTC

Yeah..I think too

Firel Isaak

2024-03-24 16:27:41 +0000 UTC

I was waiting for this one 😭 I love this performance

123rachagetspotlight

2024-03-24 16:23:25 +0000 UTC

Every time I hear this it makes me think of Wu Tang lol.

Katie Guidry

2024-03-24 16:20:54 +0000 UTC

Rap*

misty glenn

2024-03-24 15:35:01 +0000 UTC

You should listen to the original tap unit felix, hyunjin, han and changbin do muddy water.

misty glenn

2024-03-24 15:34:11 +0000 UTC

Pleease x2

Giuli M

2024-03-24 15:28:56 +0000 UTC

Yeeees!!! 100000%%%% ty for the comment - you read my mind! 😁

Anita

2024-03-24 15:20:09 +0000 UTC

Please react to "Hey Day" by 3racha, slayyy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdCyUNET7Z4

skzluv

2024-03-24 15:17:53 +0000 UTC

OMG! I'm a newer Stay and this was my first "Muddy Water" experience. 😂 I can just imagine how excited Seungmin was that he got to rap for this! Now I have to go find the original.

Carysa Locke

2024-03-24 15:09:53 +0000 UTC

And then watch thae hilarity that is Team Muddy Water vs. Team Waiting For Us Just a few that are out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0utkpJwdwzE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUNZ9MwSPco

SJ McQuillan

2024-03-24 14:37:06 +0000 UTC

How about a different comment🤭 Ben, can you add FIRST TAKE sessions to your list? They are in a massively large white recording studio and only get one take. There are 6 different songs over the few years. Here is the link for MIXTAPE : OH https://youtu.be/XhwImas7D0c?si=oI1dX1qZbJFHtN1A

Bombdiggityyo

2024-03-24 14:35:22 +0000 UTC

BEN CHECK OUT HAN'S PERFORMANCE "DON'T SAY" SINCE YOU ARE IN YOUR SKZ PERFORMANCE ERA

lee_dyzma

2024-03-24 14:33:39 +0000 UTC

I don't know if any one have told you, but Bang Chan is singing in that deep voice because its Felix part, and they have switch songs, so originally is it Chanbin, Han, Hyunjin and Felix that have made Muddy Water and the other way around with Waiting for us ☺️

Zandra Carlstedt

2024-03-24 14:21:05 +0000 UTC

I always love how chan does felixs low part 😂😂😂

Ashley Lawson

2024-03-24 14:14:52 +0000 UTC

Please watch the original version of both Waiting for Us and Muddy Water. There’s a live version for both songs. You’ll enjoy it for sure.

Chantal

2024-03-24 14:11:18 +0000 UTC

Okay Ben now we have to see you react to their original lives of these songs! "Waiting for Us" is Seungmin, Channie, I.N. and Lee Know's song and of course "Muddy Water" is Felix, Changbin, Hyunjin, and Han's song. The two groups switched to do these ones that you just saw which is why you saw Bangchan be kind of funny trying to mimic Felix's part lol.

Amanda Allen

2024-03-24 14:11:11 +0000 UTC

This suggestion without context is kind of weird shouldn’t he listen to the original first. Same from the post from yesterday how is he going to know both these songs are reverse? Just curious is all

LightMyPath Star

2024-03-24 14:08:21 +0000 UTC

he was doing the rock symbol, or he was just using his pointer fingers, at least from what i can tell

Zayne

2024-03-24 13:56:21 +0000 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAbxStVh5PQ this is the original Muddy Water

Zayne

2024-03-24 13:55:00 +0000 UTC

At this point you need to listen to og version of both muddy water and waiting for us ben. Like it would be a tragedy otherwise. 😂

Nicka Gaffud

2024-03-24 13:50:07 +0000 UTC

Now I feel like you need to watch the original line up perform these songs live, because Seungmin, IN, Lee Know and Chan will give you goosebumps singing Waiting For Us

Stayjul

2024-03-24 13:50:05 +0000 UTC

Bennnnn these arent the original. They did a song swap between Muddy Water and Waiting For Us

Zayne

2024-03-24 13:46:00 +0000 UTC

Nobody else notice Minnie flipping the middle finger at the end..... In swear that's what I see

🤫Sabrina Jolly 🫣

2024-03-24 13:39:10 +0000 UTC

Told you Seungmin would come for you

Lia_s.min

2024-03-24 13:27:59 +0000 UTC

Frrr

Lia_s.min

2024-03-24 13:24:14 +0000 UTC

You wanna see Han being more of an ace, As I told you cover by Han, Felix and Hyunjin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZLuVSlS_qM

Ciara

2024-03-24 13:10:11 +0000 UTC

Seungmin really said "you think you can have anyone else as your bias?"

Freya Moon

2024-03-24 13:07:18 +0000 UTC

Bang Chan was doing Felix’s parts which is why he was trying to do the deep voice, Lee Know was doing Hyunjin’s parts and I love Lee Know with Hyunjin’s lazy rap style, Seungmin was covering Han’s line and I.N was covering Changbin’s so it’s nice to see how well those can both rap since they rarely get rap lines. I do recommend listening to the original version of it, but I agree that the vocal line covered this really well

Meggie

2024-03-24 13:02:52 +0000 UTC

I have two biases. I.N and Lee Know. You can just have two. :)

Star Dust

2024-03-24 13:01:51 +0000 UTC

And ppl think he's shy. XD Seungmin couldve become a rapper. No joke

Vivi

2024-03-24 13:01:08 +0000 UTC

Ben! I'm not sure if you know this but actually Waiting for us is singing by Chan, Leeknow, I.N and Seungmin and Muddy Water is singing by Changbin, Han, Felix and Hyunjin! They just switch songs that time :). You should definitely react to thee songs singing by the original singers hahaha

Elena Saldaña

2024-03-24 12:57:49 +0000 UTC

Please react to the original version tooo

Fee۵

2024-03-24 12:54:00 +0000 UTC

You can have 2 bias ahaha SEUNGJIN. Watch Seungmin Hyunjin 2 kids room it's so wholesome. That can make you both of their bias. For me Seungmin love poem performance was enough to become his bias and after I watch his Leemujin service performance I decided to never change my bias that was so good. And Seungmin is definition of never show your next move. I will never get bored as a Seungmin bias uhhh. Even if he is just standing or doing nothing that's enough for me ahaha he don't have to do anything to wreck me.

TAMI

2024-03-24 12:53:50 +0000 UTC

Ben tienes que ver las versiones originales

Miriam

2024-03-24 12:46:11 +0000 UTC

BEN! You have to react the original of this too! With Changbin, Hyungin, Han, and Felix.

Chels

2024-03-24 12:44:15 +0000 UTC

Well they do joke that Seungmin is secretly the main rapper , I think I saw somewhere that he is the fastest "rapper" in Stray Kids.

Nina Quokka

2024-03-24 12:44:13 +0000 UTC

I love this! Ben, you need to react to the original! The "Muddy Water team" is Felix, Hyunjin, Han and Changbin. The original "Waiting for Us team" are these four. Chan, Seungmin, I N. And Lee Know. You'll enjoy the original just as much!

Jesi Larie

2024-03-24 12:43:32 +0000 UTC

You should watch the original versions too lol

Kumu Leato S. Savini

2024-03-24 12:43:02 +0000 UTC

Yessssssss. You ain't ready for rhis one Ben!!! I.N did such a good job, but Seungmin CLEARED!!!! He bodied Han's part! Chan was doing that because its originally Felix's part 😂. Ben just bias them both. Or better yet bias all of them. I.N did Changbin's part.

Kwestleo

2024-03-24 12:42:55 +0000 UTC

Yeeees main rapper seungmin!!!! 🤣❤️

Tiffany Hall

2024-03-24 12:39:56 +0000 UTC

Love how we're seeing the switch versions first

Sillypotato

2024-03-24 12:37:11 +0000 UTC

YAAASSSSS!!!

Kumu Leato S. Savini

2024-03-24 12:35:01 +0000 UTC

'Muddy Water' Live (Seungmin, I.N, Bangchan, Lee Know)

Comments

It’s okay you shift from being Hyunjin bias to Seungmin bias. Even Hyunjin himself is Seungmin bias 😂

Seungmin! Child! Where did that come from?!

Kim you have t listened the originals to, coz those four switch there song performances.. previous song made by Chris, Sungmin, IN, and LeeNow, and this mad by Chang Ben, Han Hyunjin and Felix

One week later you tell us on youtube Seungmin was your bias hahaha i like that. Seungmin muddy water is my roman empire.

you NEED to watch the original performances with the original units its so worth it

Okay I’m Seungmin biased and I love him in this but people sleep on I.N in this like S L A Y

Yes Please

ngl vocal unit did a better job with a rap song than the other way around but it was to be expected. Singing is much harder. Especially for Lix and Hyunjin who are basically mainly dancers.

The rap and vocal team swapped songs for this fanmeet. Please check out the original version also.

Pls check the original ver Ben🧍🏻‍♀️🧍🏻‍♀️🧍🏻‍♀️

Ok I love the swapped versions but it would be really cool if you checked out the original versions of waiting for us and muddy water lol

Reaction to Lee Know love me or leave me an I.N I don love you pleaseeeeeee

Seungmin is like a sleeper cell when it comes to rapping, bro kills it.

Same

Bang Chan's solo performance of Baby is awesome.

Lee Know growls in the Hall of Fame performance at the Golden Disc Awards I believe. 👀

How did they all manage to steal the show?

Ben you can have more than one bias lmao. I personally bias all of them esp their father.

Channie trying to imitate Felix deep voice in this song gets me everytime xD

If you want more rap from all members, you should check "the tortoise and the hare" and "maze of memories" <3

AWWW Stay squad up ❣️ Seungmin for sure had a BLAST getting to cover Muddy Water and he loves being the secret main rapper of Skz 😂 Such a menace, I love him lol.

yes please please😭

This was a great performance. This my first time hearing IN and Seungmin rap. I’m not surprised that they can. Stray kids are so versatile.You don’t have to switch biases. You can have a bias and bias wrecker.

Loved that they switched songs for this, it was so nice seeing the rap line doing vocals and vice versa 100/10 <3

I admit it took me TOO long to notice that they had swapped the unit songs xD But I am all for rapping I.N. :D

the reason bangchan has to make that silly face trying t hit the low notes, this was originally a rap-line song, and of course, chan is covering his fellow aussie's lines

I love this seungmin too 😭😭

brodie pls react to ateez content plssssss!!!!!

Would love if you reacted to all their “one take” vids!!! You can really hear their lovely voices!!

Please react to the og units doing these songs!!!!

looool I knew Ben was gonna love this performance because Seungmin really shines! But seriously them swapping the "Waiting for Us" and "Muddy Water" teams was really them straight up saying "all 8 of us are all rounders" and I love it

Chan trying the deep voice rap of Felix was amazing hahaha but it also fitted him so well since it's all in english.. Lee Know with Hyunjin parts too, they both have this different kinda rap.. And I.N with Seungmin doing Han and Changbin's part? They slayed!!

Rap line and Vocal Line switched for Wainting for Us and Muddy Water. Bang Chan switched with Felix, Seungmin with Han, Lee Know with Hyunjin and I.N with Changbin

Basically for context, waiting for us is actually sang by these 4. And muddy water is the other 4’s song (Felix, changbin, hyunjin, Han). So for these performances (this one and the last vid you posted) they switched songs.

SEUNGMIIIIIN 🔥 He ATE and left no crumbs.

Watch MAMA 2022 PLEASE💕

the urge to educate lmao like i was about to type the same things, but all the comments are already saying that its a swapped-up performance hfhf, i believe Ben will notice it

The vocal and rap line actually swapped on stage as entertainment to Stay. Deep part is Felix’s part. During the Dome tour sunglasses was actually the thing and members took turns to wear them in different performances😂😂

You need to watch the original performances now! The rap line (Changbin, Hyunjin, Han, and Felix) sings Muddy Water, and the vocal line (Chan, Lee Know, Seungmin, and I.N) sings Waiting for Us.

Yeah it would've been better if he knew the original ones first, for sure. But this way it's also funny, because these swaps are a slay. Hopefully he'll get it. He even used the og muddy water in the outro.

YES! I LOVE IT! 💞💞😄😄👌👌👏👏❤️❤️

now we need to see the original teams performing these because it needs to come full circle

BEN PICK A BIAS OR J BIAS BOTH 🤧😭 Seungmin or hyunjin I can’t keep up

Chan tryna do the deep voice has me 😭😭 I can’t he was struggling 😭

Yeah..I think too

I was waiting for this one 😭 I love this performance

Every time I hear this it makes me think of Wu Tang lol.

Rap*

You should listen to the original tap unit felix, hyunjin, han and changbin do muddy water.

Pleease x2

Yeeees!!! 100000%%%% ty for the comment - you read my mind! 😁

Please react to "Hey Day" by 3racha, slayyy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdCyUNET7Z4

OMG! I'm a newer Stay and this was my first "Muddy Water" experience. 😂 I can just imagine how excited Seungmin was that he got to rap for this! Now I have to go find the original.

And then watch thae hilarity that is Team Muddy Water vs. Team Waiting For Us Just a few that are out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0utkpJwdwzE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUNZ9MwSPco

How about a different comment🤭 Ben, can you add FIRST TAKE sessions to your list? They are in a massively large white recording studio and only get one take. There are 6 different songs over the few years. Here is the link for MIXTAPE : OH https://youtu.be/XhwImas7D0c?si=oI1dX1qZbJFHtN1A

BEN CHECK OUT HAN'S PERFORMANCE "DON'T SAY" SINCE YOU ARE IN YOUR SKZ PERFORMANCE ERA

I don't know if any one have told you, but Bang Chan is singing in that deep voice because its Felix part, and they have switch songs, so originally is it Chanbin, Han, Hyunjin and Felix that have made Muddy Water and the other way around with Waiting for us ☺️

I always love how chan does felixs low part 😂😂😂

Please watch the original version of both Waiting for Us and Muddy Water. There’s a live version for both songs. You’ll enjoy it for sure.

This suggestion without context is kind of weird shouldn’t he listen to the original first. Same from the post from yesterday how is he going to know both these songs are reverse? Just curious is all

he was doing the rock symbol, or he was just using his pointer fingers, at least from what i can tell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAbxStVh5PQ this is the original Muddy Water

At this point you need to listen to og version of both muddy water and waiting for us ben. Like it would be a tragedy otherwise. 😂

Now I feel like you need to watch the original line up perform these songs live, because Seungmin, IN, Lee Know and Chan will give you goosebumps singing Waiting For Us

Bennnnn these arent the original. They did a song swap between Muddy Water and Waiting For Us

Nobody else notice Minnie flipping the middle finger at the end..... In swear that's what I see

Told you Seungmin would come for you

Frrr

You wanna see Han being more of an ace, As I told you cover by Han, Felix and Hyunjin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZLuVSlS_qM

Seungmin really said "you think you can have anyone else as your bias?"

I have two biases. I.N and Lee Know. You can just have two. :)

And ppl think he's shy. XD Seungmin couldve become a rapper. No joke

Ben! I'm not sure if you know this but actually Waiting for us is singing by Chan, Leeknow, I.N and Seungmin and Muddy Water is singing by Changbin, Han, Felix and Hyunjin! They just switch songs that time :). You should definitely react to thee songs singing by the original singers hahaha

Please react to the original version tooo

Ben tienes que ver las versiones originales

BEN! You have to react the original of this too! With Changbin, Hyungin, Han, and Felix.

Well they do joke that Seungmin is secretly the main rapper , I think I saw somewhere that he is the fastest "rapper" in Stray Kids.

I love this! Ben, you need to react to the original! The "Muddy Water team" is Felix, Hyunjin, Han and Changbin. The original "Waiting for Us team" are these four. Chan, Seungmin, I N. And Lee Know. You'll enjoy the original just as much!