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I tell her ambition is a masculine trait #Respectful Disagreement


I tell her ambition is a masculine trait #Respectful Disagreement

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It seems like the core disagreement is not on the traits but on whether we should use the labels we do. You find the labels useful because you're coming from a science outlook where you want to understand how things are. She doesn't find the labels useful because she's coming from a social outlook where she's afraid the terms will be used to limit her. An interesting experiment would be to make up fake terms to replace the words "masculine" and "feminine" and see if you get more agreement once the societal connotations of the words are removed.

Ryan Stallard

The way she speaks to my ear doesn't sound particularly feminine, but you can hear the resistance in her thinking to thinking any part of her is masculine! It's especially fascinating as she's an engineering student - could have been interesting to probe a little more into her choice of study. The women in engineering at Melbourne uni are mostly like this - very few of them are particularly "feminine". I was chatting with my engineering graduate friends about their dream jobs recently, as they are all working towards different things. My female friend in that group half-joking said hers was to be "retired" - I was at first shocked at the lack of passion, but then it dawned on my that this might have been an expression of her femininity, shown by a female lower level of career ambition.

Sam Pinches

It become really difficult to stay with her after she claims that 85-90% of men are toxic. This statement is fully biased and naive. Men want to provide and they feel guilty when they can provide for the whole family. That's their instinct. He needs to achieve to fulfil this basic instinct. Every man here has felt this. Women are also ambitious. They want want the best possible mate - the provider. And their instinct is to do just that. Only after then comes personally traits and so on. She may want a career but that is secondary to her primordial wiring. However, our society is established precisely for the purpose of stepping down on those instincts of the individual for the good and convenience of established few. Those instincts and their release vary and is based on the social status you have - the role u fill. Society is a CONSTRUCT.

Hristo

As I said in a comment: the problem with her is she fails to acknowledge the responsability of women in that alleged "toxic masculinity". Women sexually reward that "toxic masculinity" by choosing them over sweet and feminine guys. She even admits she almost only hangs out with that type of men. It's quite cynical from her to act as if women have no responsibility.


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