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Electric After Dark Podcast - Weaponized Cease and Desist and Mark Defends Nintendo Life?!

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Electric After Dark Podcast - Weaponized Cease and Desist and Mark Defends Nintendo Life?!

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It is so damn close I can taste it! Just putting so really small final touches on it.

The Electric Underground

YAY!!! I'm glad to hear it! And yes Jackie is my fav too! :-)

The Electric Underground

Ha yes exactly on the Bruce Lee points. It's one thing to be a fan, but it's getting a bit on the cult side of things for my taste. Thanks for the clarification on the name pronounce, I blame google for leading me astray ;-)

The Electric Underground

Excited for that new alpha!

Vanja

Isn't there a Jackie like in a game?

Matthew Deragisch

Yes, people who think Bruce Lee is like a Monk are idiots. The man developed a cult of personality, and "made up" 3 martial arts styles. That's BS. He's allowed to make one max, because... well think about it. You can only develop a single style or focus as one person especially because he borrowed from all over. I would like to see some characters in Street Fighter and more in Tekken take from champions of more recent years. Like putting down Casey Marks who is an open forms master and particularly of the Bo staff. She'd add a lot and they could mo-cap her, and give REAL REPRESENTATION to a martial artist that nobody could deny, and hell yes get whoever wins the most events of 2022 to have a character spot in one of these games. Also this is perfect reporting. "Fei Long Will Never Appear In Street Fighter Again, Says SFV Composer" He said that. They reported it, case closed. Also... my last name is pronounced Der-a-gish. Like "there's a fish"

Matthew Deragisch

Takes me a while but I do listen to these all the way through, keep them coming! (Jackie Chan)

HotPocketHPE

that's all good with me!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for tuning in my dude!

The Electric Underground

I don’t know anything about martial arts but I always listens to the podcast.

ArrowViper

Jackie Chan is up there, but old Jet Li wuxia flicks are amongst some of my all timers when it comes to martial arts cinema. So many classics.

Joe Torre

absolutely!!

The Electric Underground

I own a few pcbs of my favourite games regardless of price doj,ibara if I was a wr holder of a game I would no doubt pick up a og pcb.i think there’s a cross over or even maybe a divide between arcade and home but we are all United with love for shmups 💪

Dean Campbell

Hell yeah I m on team Jackie as well! Police story and drunken master are stone cold classics

The Electric Underground

Bruce Lee is cool, but Jackie Chan is my favourite too. I remember playing Tekken 3 on PSX with a friend - I would play Lei and he would play Law. Hours of fun enacting a Bruce v. Jackie matchup :)

Ben Bishop

With MAME, two pieces are required to run the games: ROMs being the binary game files, and the driver library being the code engine that runs the games. MAME only provides the drivers, not the ROMs. MAME is not an official distributor to any ROMs, but they do add in code that enable the game libraries, like multiple arcade game code drivers, to be run. The ROMs are not included, yet must match with the drivers supplied into the base MAME software. Without the drivers required to run the ROMs, the games cannot be emulated for play. What Exa did is effectively, under the order of CAVE, is to send the DMCA to remove the games from being officially supported along with the driver, indirectly framing MAME as an easy way to play unofficially copied ROMs. However, the very niche hardcore pirates have already found a way to add them back in anyways, rendering the DMCA null and void for the hardcore pirates.

JBRPG

The only resemblance to the Neo Geo is the 4 cartridge slot system. Other than that, use of more modern technologies and trends of component supply issue does keep the price high for now. The second hand prices for Exa Arcadia machines would be lower if they are more plentiful.

JBRPG

Some great points my dude! But on these fronts I still think EXA are vulnerable to some heavy criticism, at least from me who had higher hopes for the project. On the arcade operator point, even completely removing personal owners from the equation (though I suspect personal owners still comprise a lot of people in their business) the hardware is just too expensive for the average arcade. For example, if I was running an arcade, would I buy an exa machine for buisness reasons? probably not. The cost is going to be much higher than buying an older machine and the hook of the higher price doesn't seem to be that strong. I love shmups and cave more than most people, but I don't see how having such an expensive machine and cart would be a smart return on my money. Like I said in the ep, the arcade owner would need around $18 a day from the machine (after tax) to just break even on it within a year, and this wouldn't include operating cost. On the topic of the cease and desist they sent to mame, I understand your points on why cave want to prevent the rom from being distributed, but this is not what mame does. Mame is not the party distributing the rom, they are just running an emulator. I understand the motive on why both cave and exa acted this by, but in my opinion the ends do not justify the means. I can understand the importance of trying to protect your ip and buisness, but I don't think weaponizing copyright law against uninvolved parties is an ethical solution.

The Electric Underground

The problem there though is just that slice of the market is so so tiny. In regards to SDOJ for example, the current world record holder went ahead and bought a SDOJ pcb over the exa version, the WR holder also doesn't seem to have much interest in the exa version. So the number of people who would be willing to buy an exa pcb is very small, an enthusiast of an enthusiast with money to spare. Whereas, when I initially interviewed the ceo, he said the plan was to make the exa more like a neogeo, which is a much more affordable machine even to arcade owners.

The Electric Underground

Yes I agree my dude, I just don't see it either. I like blazing chrome and a lot of the games they brought to the platform, but I just can't imagine a scenerio where I am either dropping $1 a credit to play an arrange mode, or am dropping 3 grand to own a $12 on a cartridge. Also hell yeah love me some jackie chan! Police story is awesome.

The Electric Underground

Yes I guess another example could be music playing software like windows media player or foobar ha. And yeah I do think its really unhealthy the degree to which celebrities are elevated above average people. Yes they are talented people, but talent is typically limited to one area of expression. So being an insightful or talented musician, or a martial artist, doesn't translate to super human wisdom and virtue ha. Crazy stuff really.

The Electric Underground

Sega taito etc basically cannibalized the arcades over the last 15yrs ontop of paying 10k for hardware/software they also took a share of every coin put into a machine up to 50%im pretty sure they took even more for some titles!as for price a sdoj pcb is gonna cost you a minimum of 6k,you can get a exa machine and a few games for that with all the benefits of the exa modes,1ms imput lag etc.the price for games and hardware is extremely competitive.if anything I think they don’t do enough to market there game releases most people just think they putting steam games on the platform which is kinda right but not,the basically rework/reprogram the game to suite the arcades that may be stuff from gameplay,graphics,music etc they are not the same game as on steam,no where near,there’s a thread with the dev of princes madalin where he goes on to talk about how he basically reprogrammed the game!i think it’s absolutely fine for exa to protect intrestest e.g sdoj exa mode,which is awsome by the way.there’s so much more to this I can’t go to deep in this post.i rekon you should really get a US arcade operator like the dude from arcade heroes that would be a awsome interview.mame and mister is piracy and I suspect the law will catch up to it eventually.

Dean Campbell

I looked at their website several times and the Exa Arcadia system is geared primarily towards arcade operators. Definitely not meant to be a consumer console. Also, with Exa Arcadia’s strict requirement that the games brought from home versions to have new additional content not available elsewhere to stand out different. Definitely not meant to be everyone’s cup of tea. The only Exa Arcadia units I can find to play is at San Jose Eastridge, which is like over an hour away though public transportation. I am fine with the idea that not everything has to be exactly the same across the platforms. As for the DMCA takedown on only two games: Akai Katana and SDOJ, that was requested by CAVE and then carried out by Exa on CAVE’s behalf. It seems that both Akai Katana and SDOJ are similar enough in general gameplay, without regarding the new exclusive versions’ balance changes and modes, that CAVE want to ensure those unauthorized ROMs distributed are taken down so it will not be easy to find them across the public internet database. While I may partly disagree with that for the DMCA for causing the upset at the unofficial / underground preservation group, Exa Arcadia and Cave have to make their investment back with those two new iterations that are arcade exclusive. When those games get leaked and ROMs get distributed quickly across the internet without permission, like Taito Nesica and Sega All Net, then the developers lose interest in developing the games for the platform and commercial viability turns to zero. That means no more games made for the platform along with potential differences compared to typical consumer platforms.

JBRPG

I don't understand the EXA arcade thing. I recalling checking out their site and most, if not just about all, of the games on the platform are available for $10-$20 on PC. I know there is still somewhat of an arcade scene in Japan. But picturing people plunking $1 per credit to play Blazing Chrome... I don't know. Or some guy buys the system + game and pays $3000+ ... that's a pretty shaky business model to say the least. Also, Jackie Chan.

NeonDaggerGames

It's from one of my fav anime!! Gonna cover it on the channel soon :-)

The Electric Underground

I like your comparison of the Madonna CD to the ROM, and the CD player to MAME. I think that's a good parallel, though the big difference is that the CD's player is a new invention, whereas an emulator is reverse engineering someone else's tech. It's still a good baseline comparison, though, because the understanding is similar. Regarding your point toward the end about Kurt Cobain and Bruce Lee, I think you're right about a lot of that. When we begin to lionize people and see them as more than human, or elevate them above others, we only set ourselves up for disappointment.

Josh Dieckmann

Intro song slaps!

Asa Davis


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