Arcane 2x03 Reaction
Added 2024-11-28 00:57:26 +0000 UTC
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I love Lola's righteous anger
Karabo
2024-12-26 11:42:56 +0000 UTCI'm not trying to split hairs here, but the rogue mission in question was in tandem with Jayce and Enforcers. Meaning that the progression here is the point you addressed: being sanctioned by them. I don't think we're disagreeing on the facts past that, so this is where my interpretation goes: Vi has already worked adjacent to Enforcers and won't have access to her weapons without their approval. She wants to stop a genuine Piltover invasion at all costs(in defense of Zaun). She feels guilt for Jinx's murders. She has great affection for Caitlyn. These are all balanced developments that should reasonably move someone like Vi to joining. On the point of The Grey, why does it seem that you only focus on the corruption theme from using it? Vi intended to use it to keep citizens and their squad safe and that's the overall result that was achieved. She vocalizes as much. With 0 casualties on either side, the chembarons are conquered and street Shimmer is gone.
Isaac
2024-12-03 04:47:27 +0000 UTCI really don’t know why you’re ignoring the significance of her getting “sanctioned” by the very organization that oppressed her and her people? Is that in and of itself not a huge difference from her going on rogue missions in season 1? Why is it presented as extremely significant in the narrative and in her own viewpoint as well, if it’s not majorly different from what she was doing in s1? Because she knows it’s wrong. Attacking one drug factory on her own terms is not the same as poisoning Zaun’s AIR.
jweher
2024-12-02 04:06:00 +0000 UTCShe tried the same approach with Jayce in order to disrupt Silco's Shimmer production. The Chembarons are the last of his organization, and yes, she has an immense amount of guilt from Jinx killing Cassandra. There's nothing different about Vi's actions here aside from putting on the badge to make her actions sanctioned, which was built to.
Isaac
2024-12-01 22:01:48 +0000 UTCI think officially joining the organization that the oppressive state uses to brutalize your people, then using chemical warfare against your people, while aggressively interrogating and arresting them, is NOT a way to fight for Zaun. And it’s not similar to what she was doing in season 1. The narrative even presents her motivation as her trying to assuage her own guilt for what happened to Cait’s mother.
jweher
2024-12-01 08:06:41 +0000 UTCI don't see how Vi isn't fighting for Zaun here or where her approach really varies from Season 1
Isaac
2024-12-01 07:58:11 +0000 UTCAfter being set up as a character who wants to fight for Zaun in the beginning of s1 of the show, Vi’s arc has been a let down. Of course a character developing into the very thing they want to fight against is an interesting story. The irony is tragic. But it wasn’t properly developed. After feeling the depth of the injustice against her people in her adolescence, then getting UNJUSTLY thrown in a prison cell for 7 years, you’d expect her (and any normal person) to come out even more radicalized against Piltover. I think parts of her characterization were sacrificed in favour of the ship with Cait in s2. And in my opinion, that all goes back to them not having enough time to develop the story.
jweher
2024-11-30 13:09:52 +0000 UTC100% agree with Lola about Piltover/Zaun, the frustration is REAL. Especially when it brings up thoughts of real life situations we keep seeing play out. And I’m glad they’re seeing the signs of how rushed this season is gonna be due to how many storylines they tried to wrap up in 9 episodes. My most unpopular opinion is that the child, Isha, was an unnecessary addition, but curious to see how the girls react to it.
jweher
2024-11-30 13:02:20 +0000 UTCI think Lola is right on the money about Piltover
Scrub
2024-11-30 07:43:26 +0000 UTCSome of the people in these comments have no decency, that are also demonstrating severe main character syndrome, it's not all about you.
Matthew Pierre-Turvey
2024-11-29 21:47:16 +0000 UTCDude she is talking about season 2
Eren Yeager
2024-11-29 18:05:18 +0000 UTCThe same sister that's killed many of Ekko's people. Vi's already tried to beg Jinx not to do this. What else is there?
Isaac
2024-11-29 05:54:56 +0000 UTCI never valued the CaitVi relationship more than the sisters storyline. So Vi spouting all that your not my sister crap. She doesn't even believe that herself. And choosing a chick over your sister and ppl is crazy. That's why Ekko is my favorite. Man has a code
PamRenea
2024-11-29 02:37:25 +0000 UTCI was thinking to give Arcane a try. Should I skip S1 and start with S2?
Clay F
2024-11-29 02:18:50 +0000 UTCEren, the post said dissatisfied with the first season. How can that be a spoiler? Haven't they already reacted to the first season?
Clay F
2024-11-29 02:17:49 +0000 UTCSo glad lola spotted jinx wanted to die through her words “i’m ready”.
Mingo
2024-11-28 17:33:03 +0000 UTCI also have to say. To see Lola react so negatively to vi and cait kissing broke my heart a little bit. I was so excited they finally kissed. Granted not the best of circumstances and everything goes to shit right after that. But geesh I wasn’t expecting that pained expression.
alex otis
2024-11-28 16:32:43 +0000 UTCYou are just plain wrong about this.
alex otis
2024-11-28 16:26:06 +0000 UTCRegarding Vi's character....i think the reason she could rationalise using the Grey, was that it was used on the crime lords and their people. In episode 2 you can see that those are the only people they targeted. No civilians. So i'm guessing the only way she could rationalise it to herself, was that she was using it on bad people, so it was okay
atmdboss
2024-11-28 14:31:36 +0000 UTCExactly, everything that happens here is a fucking shit show. It's all a big circus and the clowns decide about our lives.
ashton
2024-11-28 13:35:57 +0000 UTCThey filmed it on the same day as Haikyuu 2x10, so I'd guess weekend, Nov 25th.
Robert H.
2024-11-28 11:11:31 +0000 UTCI don't want to defend Caitlyn, but: https://www.reddit.com/r/arcane/comments/1h1hyoo/s1_spoilers_given_the_recent_caitlyn_discourse_i/
Robert H.
2024-11-28 11:02:40 +0000 UTCI'm not sure when you recorded this but if it was yesterday then I wish Milena a speedy recovery
Tsunemori Kiriko
2024-11-28 10:03:03 +0000 UTCArcane fans having a normal one I see.
Darrach
2024-11-28 09:37:14 +0000 UTCAmerican politics is like a TV show full of chaos and lunatics attacking each other. You can't look away. It's so stupid what's happening in the USA.
Robert H.
2024-11-28 09:32:03 +0000 UTCL take
Joshua Miller
2024-11-28 09:31:15 +0000 UTCI agree 4 per act maybe would’ve been better and let stuff breath a bit more. But with the constraints of 3 episodes an act and only 3 acts I don’t think they could’ve done better, and I personally wouldn’t cut anything.
Cole
2024-11-28 09:29:31 +0000 UTCIn my opinion, the story in season 2 is pretty good, there was just a definite lack of time to show character interactions. They also use the music videos a lot more in the episodes to tell plot. I would have liked 4 episodes per arc. But it must also be said that the creators have also accepted this criticism and want to do better in the future: https://www.techradar.com/streaming/netflix/arcane-co-creator-vows-we-will-learn-from-it-after-fan-frustrations-of-the-netflix-shows-rushed-final-season
Robert H.
2024-11-28 09:26:56 +0000 UTCThis comment section: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0c/e1/72/0ce1727a51a63946f4960b1b952e8f90.jpg
Robert H.
2024-11-28 08:55:09 +0000 UTCVi is awful at recognising and managing her trauma. If you asked her she probably wouldn’t even think there’s anything wrong, yet she’s so lost that she rushes towards any port in a storm - she couldn’t come to terms with Powder and their relationship changing and hoped that wishing would make it work out, she ran head first at anything in the way, no matter who got hurt (“One dead kid?!”). She’s got nothing left except Caitlyn so she just convinces herself that Caitlyn can’t be acting wrongly because she isn’t a bad person so what they’re doing can’t be bad, it’s all just head in the sand self justification. In that kind of situation you can’t gain any perspective or start improving until you hit bottom. Jinx mentioned in the last episode how everyone who gets close to her dies, but the same can be said of Vi too. She loses everyone close to her one by one, so the fewer that are left the more desperately she clings to them. The show is consistently phenomenal at portraying how hurt people act.
Jay Craig
2024-11-28 08:02:19 +0000 UTCI don’t think anybody’s spoiled anything. They are just giving their opinions on the season with no context which doesn’t matter because Lm will make their own decisions on it. Half of the comments in here are either praising it or saying it’s horrible, but nobody has given reasons or spoilers on why.
Cole
2024-11-28 07:53:41 +0000 UTCYou weren’t criticising the character, you literally said ‘what were the writers thinking?’
Jay Craig
2024-11-28 07:45:36 +0000 UTCI have no problem if you are put off by her actions. I was just more commenting on how I thought it was pretty consistent with her character. I have just felt like I've seen people put Vi up on a bit of a pedestal and I just feel like that does a disservice to her character she is this very flawed individual.
James Long
2024-11-28 07:36:40 +0000 UTCDude, this is episode 3, not episode 9... Come back 6 weeks later if you got shit to say.
Raphael
2024-11-28 07:25:26 +0000 UTCwhat a disappointing season. it really pains me to see that the fanbase is really turning on the writers but I think it's appropriate. They really dropped the ball
Andrew
2024-11-28 07:19:04 +0000 UTClmao, these girls go through the effort deleting twitter even to avoid spoilers, only to have them right here on their patreon.. expect no less.
Ulfway
2024-11-28 07:13:55 +0000 UTC*Takes one look at everyone treating this place like their own personal discord server and vomiting spoilers everywhere* ... Yeah nah I'm out
Berezant
2024-11-28 06:42:51 +0000 UTCThat’s a fair assessment, you knowledge that’s she’s a very flawed character correct ? And that you love her for it ? My thing is I just don’t think people should be frowned upon if they feel the opposite. There are people who love her for her flaws and people who get a bad taste in their mouth. I think that’s completely fair. I don’t think it’s insane for people to feel put off by her actions this episode if they think she’s taking it too far. Sometimes certain flaws of some characters can be too much for some people, ( like the one in this episode for Vi )I think that’s understandable, just cause she’s a flawed character it doesn’t mean she can go around doing whatever she wants and get away with it without criticism. She’s a punch first talk later person, but she’s not a cold blooded killer, for many people there are lines she just should not cross.
Sergeant Jay
2024-11-28 06:40:59 +0000 UTCThe alternative was Piltover killing many Zaunites combatting the chembarons. This is a 0 casualty plan, so far. Cait's just in no place to execute it
Isaac
2024-11-28 06:08:01 +0000 UTCVi asked the council to attack Zaun in order to take out Silco in Episode 8 of Season 1. And then organized a rogue mission with Jayce and Enforcers that resulted in the death of a child. I don't get where Vi being this bastion of morality comes from or some kind of righteous champion for Zaun. Look at all of her actions throughout Season 1. Once she gets out of prison, her #1 priority is her sister. She goes after Silco specifically because of his influence on her sister. Vi does what she thinks she needs to do in order to accomplish her goal and her main method is very direct. She is punch first, ask questions later person. Vi is very flawed and that is why I like her as a character. If Vi could have used The Gray to have an advantage against Silco in Season 1, she would have done it.
James Long
2024-11-28 05:58:19 +0000 UTCI couldn’t believe Vi was justifying poisoning Zuans air even further. It baffled me, what were the writers thinking. Made me very disappointed in her. I don’t really like calling out characters I love but that’s just the truth.
Sergeant Jay
2024-11-28 05:28:32 +0000 UTCI think it was perfect, until the last three episodes. There it's where my biggest problem with the show is.
Rafael Henrique
2024-11-28 05:05:16 +0000 UTCI thought it was because their weapons were aided by hextech that was unstable because of Jayce and Heimer and Ekko's experimenting. They were misfiring and erratic.
RabidMango
2024-11-28 04:05:31 +0000 UTCIt'll never happen.
RabidMango
2024-11-28 03:58:45 +0000 UTCAgree, I know some people means well, and are passionate about their overall opinion on the season, but let the girls a fresh ,authentic reaction and analysis without preconceived opinions from us.
Raphael
2024-11-28 03:52:25 +0000 UTCExactly. Vi literally prevents the war from happening by convincing Caitlyn to call off the invasion and instead they deploy a small task force that: 1) attacks chembarons and destroys any control their mafia has over common people of Zaun (good thing for Zaun) 2) attacks shimmer production facilities (good thing for Zaun because we saw how much suffering and misery shimmer has brought to regular people) 3) hunts Jinx down (good thing for Zaun, she is a criminal responsible for instigating a war in the first place, has a lot of innocent blood on her hands (zaunites included - or do we forget about all the Firelights she's killed over the years?)). Yet for some reason people are saying that Vi is betraying the Undercity. Well, what would've been a better plan to deal with the mess Jinx created? To just sit back and watch the war unfold?
Serhiy Yaniuk
2024-11-28 03:41:50 +0000 UTCGet off the Shimmer Ryan. It's clearly affecting your judgment.
Gangster Pikachu
2024-11-28 03:37:08 +0000 UTCThe people who say that are on high-grade Shimmer. They can't help themselves lol.
Gangster Pikachu
2024-11-28 03:35:06 +0000 UTCJust finished the show yesterday and it's an absolute masterpiece. Waiting 6 more weeks for you to finish the show is going to be the death of me. At least I have the soundtrack to help me cope.
Gangster Pikachu
2024-11-28 03:33:24 +0000 UTCHonestly don't read any comment before you watch the rest, too many of them are not neutral towards the future episodes
Mathias Lorétan
2024-11-28 03:24:12 +0000 UTCIt has huge problems with execution tho. Many things were underdeveloped and abrupt. Some things felt extremely unsatisfying and rushed Not gonna say more I’ll wait until episode 9. It’s still a really good show, but left a lot to be desired.
Sergeant Jay
2024-11-28 03:22:31 +0000 UTCCan people just stop messing with their expectations?? How selfish are you to chose this place to vent your frustrations
Mathias Lorétan
2024-11-28 03:21:34 +0000 UTCMilena/Lola DONT READ the super long comment made 27 mins before this one. It contains light spoilers
Eren Yeager
2024-11-28 03:06:34 +0000 UTC"I just needed to see Vi struggle more with a decision like this, instead of just blindly going along with whatever Cait wanted to do." Last season, Vi was basically telling the Piltover Council to invade Zaun in order to take out Silco. Vi has always been a character that looks for quick solutions and is motivated by personal reasons. Its like when she said to Ekko last season, "So you just come out swinging?" And he responds, "I wonder who I learned that from?"
James Long
2024-11-28 03:01:28 +0000 UTCThe interesting part, to me, is that I can't help but see it as the right call. Every time I see the dissent for Caitlyn & Vi's tactics, I'm never presented with an alternative. Zaun was about to be massacred by Enforcers before this. Silco acknowledged their total loss when he was in control. Chross notes that they're outnumbered 4 to 1 and that's not even getting into the ghastly war machine that would be made from weaponizing Hextech. I would almost call this a trolley problem, except no one dies in Caitlyn's plan. The problem is largely how poisoned Cait's mindset is in her grief. "Can I do the right thing for the wrong reasons?"
Isaac
2024-11-28 03:00:02 +0000 UTCI could not disagree more with people who say this season didn’t deliver everything you want and more. Almost every single episode from here till the end is a masterpiece in characters, themes, music and everything that arcane has been known for.
Cole
2024-11-28 02:59:31 +0000 UTCDUDE DONT SPOIL SHIT DELETE THIS COMMENT. SAYING YOU WERE DISSATISFIED WITH THE SEASON AND EXPLAINING WHY WHEN THEY ONLY HAVE SEEN THREE EPISODES?!!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING LET THEM FINISH WATCHING FIRST
Eren Yeager
2024-11-28 02:57:25 +0000 UTCI'm surprised you wanna binge the whole thing considering you were exhausted last time just from watching one episode :D
ODIS
2024-11-28 02:53:29 +0000 UTCReally looking forward to you reacting to the rest of the season. I just think it is so top tier.
James Long
2024-11-28 02:45:42 +0000 UTCNow that I have seen the entire Season I can confidently say, that while I still enjoyed the show, I personally was left dissatisfied, but I feel like these 3 episodes flowed together really well and really had me on the edge of my seat. This episode in particular was really good to me, although Vi and Caitlyn becoming Police Brutality Patties was NOT on my 2024 Bingo Card but here we are, them using the Grey to flood the streets and choke out the people of Zaun was horrific and honestly there’s no redeeming that, it was at this point where I realized that although Cait’s story is so realistic, I didn’t like her and don’t think I ever will again. But Vi was the character I was the most disappointed in, I just couldn’t believe she would be a part of something like that, and her pitiful “We were clearing the streets” excuse was just VERY lazy writing to me. I don’t know I guess I just needed to see Vi struggle more with a decision like this, instead of just blindly going along with whatever Cait wanted to do. Ambessa playing on Cait and the rest of Piltovers racism to start the war, just so she can get her hands on Hextech for her own selfish reasons is top tier evil, and Mel literally couldn’t have disappeared at a worst time, lol. I literally wasn’t breathing throughout the fight and I liked how the show didn’t wait to let Vi and Jinx see each other, even though it was heartbreaking. There’s so much more I want to say but again this is already and Essay so I’ll stop now.
Nyeisha Melvina Clark
2024-11-28 02:39:23 +0000 UTCMy understanding was that they were only using the grey like tear gas. Only releasing it in the areas they were looking for Jinx to stop others from dying in the crossfire
Eren Yeager
2024-11-28 02:33:02 +0000 UTCWell it doesn't really matter if they poisoned few or many, they're still using that ventilation system as a weapon, the complete opposite goal of Cait's mother. I actually really liked the juxtaposition of 'the people of Zaun deserve to breathe' with the strike team's actions
HenryM
2024-11-28 02:32:29 +0000 UTCPEAK
KIMI
2024-11-28 02:18:45 +0000 UTCThey did not gas the underground. They were using ventilation system to direct the Grey to the areas/buildings they were attacking (chembaron hideouts, shimmer production facilities etc). So it's not like they've just poisoned the entirety of Zaun. They were strategic with it's use.
Serhiy Yaniuk
2024-11-28 02:07:35 +0000 UTCThere are definitely things to appreciate, but I was let down by these three episodes, personally. I didn’t think it made sense for Vi to use such drastic measures on her own city, and Sevika and Jinx working together could only happen if somehow no one knows how Silco died. Edited: to clarify and hopefully not bring down anyone else’s experience.
Ryan Crumley
2024-11-28 02:07:24 +0000 UTCThats true. I didn’t realize how wiggly the kid is on jinx, and especially right when she shot vi’s gauntlet the kid would’ve been in the line of jinx. I remembered the kid further back on jinx and there being more room.
Cole
2024-11-28 02:03:04 +0000 UTCAlso, as you've said you didn't get the time to rewatch S1 first: the character you've been seeing at the end of each episode is Singed, the doctor from the first season. The one who was originally with Silco (as early as the end of ep1) who was working on shimmer, the one who saved Jinx after her fight with Ekko (and gave her shimmer), and the one who Viktor eventually went to talk to (he was Viktor's mentor as a child). In the final scene of the first episode, we see him gassing some twin wolves, in the second episode we see a large twin heart beating, and the end of this third episode seems to show the results of whatever experiment he's been up to.
Z3P
2024-11-28 02:01:49 +0000 UTCI mean even if Caitlyn didn't miss and hit Jinx, that is a Hextech weapon the bullet can go through Jinx and Isha
BigJo H
2024-11-28 01:58:16 +0000 UTCAbout the episode, I really like Cait, but in this situation it's impossible for me to be on her side. Revenge for the mother stops being personal when she was literally willing to take the risk of killing a child for it. If her feelings are valid then every citizen of Zaun has the right to burn the entire Piltover for everything they went through.
ashton
2024-11-28 01:54:56 +0000 UTCI think you guys figured it by the end but just in case: The beginning music video is Caitlyn using her Kirraman key to unlock information on using the ventilation system that keeps The Grey (mining/factory smog) out of Zaun. Caitlyn's mother likely came up with it, with the implication that Caitlyn is going against her mother's life's work under the guise of avenging her. "The people of the Underground deserve to breathe." During the MV, the remaining 2 chembarons were taken out by Cait's squad, so as of the start of this episode, Zaun is completely without leaders.
Z3P
2024-11-28 01:54:49 +0000 UTCLola talking about her Twitter being about Serbian and American politics reminded me of a friend who lived in Belgrade for 4 years and then in Romania, she was shocked by the level of political conflict there, "the conflicts in America don't come close to the Balkans" my Twitter is also basically politics and sometimes I would prefer to stay in the dark when I see certain news lol
ashton
2024-11-28 01:50:47 +0000 UTCI don’t think Vi even thought there was a possibility Caitlyn could miss. I think she thought if she stepped aside Caitlyn would shoot jinx and the kid would be hugging jinx dead body traumatizing it just like they were, and I don’t think she was going to let Caitlyn do that to the child. I don’t think the child’s life was really in question for anybody there.
Cole
2024-11-28 01:46:28 +0000 UTCIn vi, Caitlyn, and loris defence. Whatever they did is a lot better than the full invasion they prevented the council from doing. I also forgot all about that because I could not believe vi and jinx were actually trying to kill each other.
Cole
2024-11-28 01:29:53 +0000 UTCnot you updating all i NEED to watch immediately when i'm with people and can't watch for hours
sand_fl
2024-11-28 01:28:27 +0000 UTCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH (I'm not over reacting to the upload I'm a very sane individual thanks for your concern)
Mathias Lorétan
2024-11-28 01:05:49 +0000 UTCArcane’s ability to create such compelling and emotional characters with such a short amount of time is more impressive than its animation imo.
Cole
2024-11-28 01:05:40 +0000 UTC*me, looking at the writers of Arcane as I’m on this journey https://youtu.be/eecrAYAkbnY?si=R--Oyt2KHG5RAfAQ
My Toasty Toast
2024-11-28 01:05:03 +0000 UTC
