With this episode Billy's train left for me too. As many others wrote, I understand his hate for Flint, but that was just a dumb move and his motivations are not as "pure" as they were before.
- "I gave you both of you a place to stand here, I gave you a life and you repaid me by conspiring with my enemies."
I WOULD agree with that, if it wasn't for the fact that she has to thank Flint, Silver, Rackam, Anne and many others for everything she has right now, and yet now she sided with their enemies.
Survival instinct, I can understand that, greed too, fair enough. But don't go around lecture them about loyalty and act all spited when you did the same.
Sweet Owl
2024-04-07 12:06:17 +0000 UTC
I feel the same for Flint and Gates... the night they talked on the ship during the storm, I would have listened to them for hours. I miss Gates so much :(
Sweet Owl
2024-04-07 11:55:49 +0000 UTC
Excited to read your comment when you post it!
cosmotron
2024-04-05 20:45:55 +0000 UTC
When Billy shouted "fire", I neither hated nor liked him in that moment. I just felt sadness. So much has happened, his hatred of Flint has been boiling up for three seasons now, that it was inevitable that it would boil over at an inopportune moment and yet it was still the most inopportune of all inopportune moments for it to happen.
It's not just the death of the individual fighters who are shot, it's the death of all of their disparate hopes and dreams. All of it, dead in one moment.
"We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
JBK405
2024-04-05 15:12:36 +0000 UTC
I don’t dislike Billy for hating Flint, but he chose the worst possible moment in the most delicate and important situation to start a mutiny. It’s just like when Dufresne started his mutiny against Flint at the most critical point of the Urca operation. A lot of people died because Billy couldn’t see the mission through
My Toasty Toast
2024-04-05 11:36:31 +0000 UTC
This 👆
Melkor
2024-04-05 10:49:29 +0000 UTC
Hey everyone, here's my reaction to 4x02:
https://youtu.be/3Oh2ROtMimk
I also just want to say thank you so much to everyone who's supported the channel so far since I went public with it 3 weeks ago. Yesterday I had my first video to hit 1K views, with it getting another 300 overnight. This wouldn't have been possible without you guy encouraging me in the first place so I wanted to say thank you 😊
TeaDrinker3000
2024-04-05 10:06:12 +0000 UTC
I think andor can be put in the invincible slot cause it’s a short one, this slot is for longer shows.
Salvatore
2024-04-05 07:30:52 +0000 UTC
Hey guys are you going to watch Andor when you’re finished Black Sails
Jesse S
2024-04-05 06:42:20 +0000 UTC
It’s called rot13! You can Google a translator
Melanie McGinniss
2024-04-05 06:05:30 +0000 UTC
Does anyone know how to do that word scrambling thing to hide spoilers, I have a really long post for this episode (I rarely comment).
awesomeusername
2024-04-05 05:03:54 +0000 UTC
You guys should watch the new Shogun show. It's peak cinema
Ekubochan
2024-04-05 04:16:05 +0000 UTC
I don’t hate Billy, though I’m frustrated by him making this choice (even though it makes sense for him). His character has really been building toward this point for a while.
cosmotron
2024-04-05 03:14:32 +0000 UTC
I'm not familiar with him, but when the name drop happened I thought "damn that's a badass pirate name" lol
HenryM
2024-04-05 02:50:17 +0000 UTC
"Please... don't do this"
They way Billy said this brought me back to season 1, to Flint saying this just before killing Mr Gates. I understand where Billy is coming from, he has every reason to hate Flint, retreating from an operation he probably spent months planning wasn't easy for him, and Flint undermining him was probably the last straw. He acted on pure emotion and made a very dumb decision, still I don't hate him
HenryM
2024-04-05 02:47:24 +0000 UTC
I don't hate Billy . He shouldn't do what he did , but his hatred towards Flint is reasonable. He is tragic character that is all .
Sone
2024-04-05 02:41:07 +0000 UTC
"We were rooting for you! We were all rooting for you!"
cosmotron
2024-04-05 02:36:52 +0000 UTC
I don't hate Billy, V fgebatyl qvfyvxr gur pbhefr gurl gnxr jvgu uvz yngre ba guvf frnfba. But I agree he made a very dumb decision this episode, although I can understand it, It's 3 seasons of growing hate.
Gustavo
2024-04-05 02:24:54 +0000 UTC
My reaction to Billy’s character in season 1: “What a good boy you are!”
My reaction to Billy from this point on: “My disappointment in you is immeasurable and my day is ruined.”
My Toasty Toast
2024-04-05 02:17:55 +0000 UTC
Amen. Team Flint
Tyler Jackson
2024-04-05 01:53:16 +0000 UTC
Billy was so stupid this episode. He’s perfectly justified in hating Flint. But there’s a time and a place and this was not it.
Tyler Jackson
2024-04-05 01:52:56 +0000 UTC
Great discussion about the conversations had by Anne and Jack/Jack and Teach. Completely agree with how Anne has evolved as a character and how amazing it is. Also, I love this echo through so many of the characters of…loving in spite of betrayal. Anne about Max, Vane about Eleanor, and even Teach about Vane. Vane betrayed him (twice!!!) yet here Teach is all the same. Love is a hell of a thing.
cosmotron
2024-04-05 01:29:18 +0000 UTC
Completely agree!
cosmotron
2024-04-05 01:26:49 +0000 UTC
FUCK BILLY MOST OF US HATE HIM YOULL START TO KNOW WHY NOW
Melkor
2024-04-05 01:20:18 +0000 UTC
Max is such a rewatch character. Closely following her storyline makes her thought process very impressive
Isaac
2024-04-05 01:15:04 +0000 UTC
I was no longer a fan of Billy from the moment he yelled, “Fire!”. 😤
Leah B
2024-04-05 01:02:37 +0000 UTC
On the Fathom’s Deep podcast, there’s an episode where the hosts interview Jon Steinberg, one of the main writers and show runners. And one of the things they talked about was Max’s character, and he said a very interesting thing about her. Roughly paraphrasing, but basically he said that out of all the characters on the show she is one of the only people who “doesn’t jump to violence as a solution to a seemingly unsolvable problem” and that it’s something that makes her character unique and interesting. We see that here with her intention to capture Silver and not kill him, but also in the way she generally operates. She is all about trying to smooth things over, give people what they want. I think it’s also kind of an interesting tie in to her being a former sex worker. As she once said early on, “pleasure should be shared equally”, and she brings that kind of mindset into much of her tactical moves. It doesn’t mean she’s above underhanded methods or anything, but in a show full of literal murderers (who we all love) I do truly admire how she tries to find the least violent/awful outcome as much as possible. Another good scene with her this episode is when she talks to Idelle and Featherstone, further demonstrating that she is unwilling to jump to violence, despite them going behind her back. She makes it very clear that it was a deliberate choice on her part to not reveal what they did, because she did not want them to be hung for it. And that she further secured a promise of security for any of her informants. Despite her anger at what they did, she still made moves to protect them.
cosmotron
2024-04-05 01:01:21 +0000 UTC
Israel Hands was indeed a real pirate, and actually was Blackbeard’s right hand man until they had some kind of dispute. This resulted in Blackbeard shooting him, just as Silver said in this episode, though we don’t know the actual reasons behind why this happened.
cosmotron
2024-04-05 00:54:35 +0000 UTC
I can see that because there is a lot of shows coming in june
BigJo H
2024-04-05 00:24:09 +0000 UTC
When you finish this show you should watch Vordeel’s black sails edits on YouTube as part of the grieving process for finishing the show
My Toasty Toast
2024-04-05 00:19:07 +0000 UTC
My wishful thinking aside, I think you could stand to leave the slot blank-ish until the summer shows. Maybe a movie every 2 to 3 weeks until summer in this slot.
Isaac
2024-04-05 00:11:24 +0000 UTC
🎶Always look on the bright side of life🎶
HenryM
2024-04-05 00:11:16 +0000 UTC
I am very smart. Start Frieren early before RoK finishes and House of Dragon starts. Counting only myself, it's 100% of the vote. Very fair
Isaac
2024-04-05 00:10:26 +0000 UTC
If we could have an entire episode dedicated to Jack and Blackbeard just shooting the shit and sharing stories about Vane, I wouldn't complain
HenryM
2024-04-05 00:09:12 +0000 UTC
You won't have to wait for more when you're watching at least! Binging these is definitely worth it.
cosmotron
2024-04-05 00:07:56 +0000 UTC
can't believe i'm so many episodes behind 💀
i blame the restaurant 😭 the other day i worked 11'5 hours with a nasty cold...
at least i will have a bunch of reactions to binge when i have a few days off.
sand_fl
2024-04-05 00:05:54 +0000 UTC
Having a busy night so I will be a bit delayed posting my usual comments! But oh man, can't wait to watch and listen to the discussion. This season just doesn't let up.