You picked a really good episode to start your reactions with 3x03.
It's kinda Black Sails' version of Bagman, Pine Barrens, 4 Days Out, etc...which automatically makes it one of my favorites.
Scott
2024-02-19 19:55:16 +0000 UTC
I agree the punishments for the less severe crimes related to piracy, like posession of stolen goods, were way too excessive, but that doesn't change my point.
We may disagree with the law itself but the fact remains that those were lawful executions made by the authorities, what Flint did was premeditated murder. Even what happened to Thomas, Flint and Miranda, as horrendous as it is, was done by law.
To be clear, I'm not defending those laws, I'm just trying to be objective and see things by both sides.
And to be the devil's advocate here, Peter Ashe didn't commit any crime, hunging and public display of the bodies was a "normal" thing in that era. Ashe betrayed his friends, which is a terrible thing to do, but it's not a crime, he didn't even lie, he actually simply testified the truth about their relationship.
Some US states still apply the death penalty which I totally disagree with, but the fact remains that if a criminal is killed in that way it is legal while if a person takes revenge by killing someone who ruined their life it is a crime.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-19 19:54:20 +0000 UTC
Thats very cool! Nice way of handling spoilers in comments. Guess i gotta head back and check them out
Ć smund Bergsbakk
2024-02-19 19:11:39 +0000 UTC
That's hilarious haha. I can see why you would think that. If you want to decode it, go to rot13.com and copy-paste the encoded words there.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 18:25:24 +0000 UTC
Except heās a giant hypocrite about it. Like, the point is that he is very much part of a society that kills and condemns those whose crimes are āfar lessā severe than ones Peter Ashe committed. We literally saw the people being hung on display and kept in cages: killing made justified by civilization.
And in this same conversation Ashe talks about how he had all of these dark thoughts and deeds he wanted to enact on those who held his daughter hostage, but never once makes that connection to how James and Miranda would have felt the same way about Alfred Hamilton.
I donāt think Ashe had any great affection for the man, but I do think his attitude about his death still says a lot about his priorities.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 17:48:18 +0000 UTC
I donāt disagree about her playing high risk high reward, just that her doing so doesnāt affect the sympathy I have for her.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 17:41:31 +0000 UTC
All this time I've been thinking it's just you banging your keyboard in excitement when i see those sections of code lmao
Ć smund Bergsbakk
2024-02-19 16:46:41 +0000 UTC
I think Ashe is hunged up on Hamilton's death not because he cared about the man, but because of the act itself. He previously mentioned how Hamilton went "great lenghts to protect himself", making his murder a carefully premeditated one.
We all sympathise and root for Flint and Miranda of course, in the end it's just fiction, but in real life murder and revenge are not acceptable and should be punished, no matter the extenuating circumstances.
Peter Ashe is part of the same civilization we all live in and in our society citizens cannot be allowed to take matters in their own hands and to kill people, even if in a show it's very exciting and looks amazing.
So, even if I'm happy Flint did what he did and I perfectly undestand him, I can also totally understand Peter Ashe point of view.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-19 15:06:40 +0000 UTC
This show should be studied as an example of how to make great television as The Godfather is still studied as one of the best movies of all time (the best imo).
Miranda's death hits so hard, Louise Barnes did a great job from the beginning but in these last two episodes she truly shined like a supernova. You will be missed Miranda :(
You will be missed too Randal, a minor character but with such a great influence on the events, he was the Jolly, the random uncertain element who tipped the scale in major situations.
About Hornigold, since my thoughts haven't change I'm gonna copy-paste a comment I posted elsewhere to save time:
- He gets a lot of hate in this season but think about it in his perspective: he literally was one of Nassau founders, he was one of the very few people on that island who actually had a sense of honor, he was respected, he was wise (remember his speech to Eleonor about lifting the ban on Vane) and trustworthy.
Despite that he was betrayed by Eleonor when she told Vane about the fort tunnels, he was betrayed by Flint when he took back his word and then he saw any possibility to take back the fort disappear once the news about the gold came.
Yes he is a very proud man, but with right considering who he was and what he did both as a navy captain and a pirate.
So yeah, after everyone turned back on him he thought "well, fuck you all then" and decided to provide security for himself by obtaining those pardons.
Thanks girls for understanding Lord Ashe and not just straightforward hate him. Flint and Miranda have all the reasons to, obviously, but as you said he is not an evil man at all, a coward maybe, but not evil. It's too easy to judge him right away and to talk like we are all heroes, how many people would have sacrificed their own family and daughter in the name of righteousness? I'd say almost no one.
The only thing I would change in this episode is that I would have placed Eleonor final scene before Vane speech and end the episode with it and that magnificent music crescendo that gives chill to your whole body :D
Sweet Owl
2024-02-19 14:15:11 +0000 UTC
I agree with Melkor and Isaac, I like Eleonor but she knowingly played with fire, her was always a "high risk investment", it could have payd well as it could have brought great losses.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-19 13:47:01 +0000 UTC
RIP Randall. We liked him š¢
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-19 12:24:42 +0000 UTC
Always enjoy reading your thoughts!
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-19 12:22:25 +0000 UTC
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch the review, that's really appreciated ! š I'm looking forward to being able to show you guys my reactions once we get to 3x03, I've shot up to 3x06, so sad that I only have 14 episodes of this wonderful show left to experience
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-19 11:17:52 +0000 UTC
Iāve been loving your appreciation for Louise Barnes in these reviews. What an absolute talent she is! I highly recommend once you have finished to listen to her interview with the Black Sails podcast Fathoms Deep on YouTube. Well really I recommend all of their stuff too!
That part where you talked about Flint just taking his mask off slightly to stare into the filth on it *chefs kiss* Iāve always said that Black Sails is closest thing we have to Shakespeare in this time so it always brings me a great amount of joy to hear newcomers to this phenomenal series make that comparison too. The actors have said themselves that they were completely spoiled by Black Sails because they will NEVER find a script like that ever again.
Sacha
2024-02-19 11:13:53 +0000 UTC
The end of this season had me shocked with how much this became one of my fav shows ever lol
I can't even begin to tell you how happy I was when vane decided he needed to save flint and finally have my fav people working together. as I've stated many times, I have a big soft spot for vane in general, so getting to see him not be an opposing force to certain characters was great to see.
john's progression is also one of the best things ever. Of course, love jack and Anne and that they are the ones who are setting off to retrieve the gold. Eleanor' story definitely took a turn I wasn't expecting.
loved the story about how flint got his name, i thought it was such a perfect way to describe things. Seeing what happened to Miranda after he was there with the best intentions of just creating peace and now for a second time the person closest to him gets taken from him by England and he's under arrest. I can't even imagine the pain he would feel from seeing his dream fail again and realizing how futile things are. such a perfect way for the story to be set up for future seasons.
Amber
2024-02-19 06:25:15 +0000 UTC
I agree. I just think It's fair play for Dufresne & Hornigold. I don't hold it against them
Isaac
2024-02-19 05:47:10 +0000 UTC
Such a good episode.
Drew
2024-02-19 05:22:15 +0000 UTC
Miranda was trying so hard to remain quiet and "save James from the horrors", which is something that she failed to do after discovering the name of Alfred Hamilton's ship.
I think she probably would have succeeded if Peter Ashe didn't start waxing poetic about Flint needing to cleanse his sins before the world, because in that moment Miranda views Peter as a much bigger monster than Flint.
Scott
2024-02-19 04:57:59 +0000 UTC
To me, the handshake between Flint and Peter Ashe is perhaps the most painful thing in this episode. Maybe even more than the surprise death of Miranda. Because it is that moment when Flint "gives in", he has finally done the ONE THING that he proclaimed he would never do, and then it comes to NOTHING.
On rewatch I almost need to look away.
I will say I'm impressed you two remember the conversation between him and Miranda in season one, because SO MANY PEOPLE forget that when they get to this point. They vaguely understand that Flint doesn't want to apologize or ask forgiveness, but they forget the specific conversation and just what it represents.
JBK405
2024-02-19 04:19:32 +0000 UTC
Exactly!
Gustavo
2024-02-19 03:12:22 +0000 UTC
John is a bit "lost" because he never felt this before (or hasn't felt it for a long time), caring for other people's well being, at leat to the point of risking his own life.
Gustavo
2024-02-19 03:09:51 +0000 UTC
Yeah, Vane always struck me as a pragmatic one, like when they were negotiating in episode 6
"What do I get?"
"A future"
"Show it to me, hand me my future here in this room"
HenryM
2024-02-19 03:00:58 +0000 UTC
It's so very unusual to see Miranda lose her cool like that, the actress did an amazing job (and god she's so pretty), I'm surprised I haven't seen her in anything else before. The way her death made me gasp was unreal, what an exit
HenryM
2024-02-19 02:53:42 +0000 UTC
Taking aside the fact that Peter is a coward, I believe he was right about what needed be done for the plan to have a CHANCE of being successful. But, conveniently for him, for this plan to succeed, his sins didn't need to come to light.
About Vane, I've seen comments and now Lola said it too about Vane not believing that the Navy threat is real, that he is delusional, but I disagree. Why should he believe that? What reasons has he to believe it? For how long have they been living "free", unbothered? England's last attempt was with Flint, and they didn't succeed. To look back and say that what's to come was obvious is very easy, "the rearview mirror is always clearer than the windshield". So to Vane, this is just another story Flint tells people to make them afraid and thus bend them to his will. But now, when Billy tells him that he saw it with his own eyes, and giving it details, Vane has something more "palpable", more real to believe.
And I'm with Anne, f*&k Eleanor! hahahaa
Gustavo
2024-02-19 02:47:33 +0000 UTC
I mean, it certainly changed his mind about England being a threat. He didn't believe that at all before, and while he may still think that attempting reconciliation was foolish, he *did* in fact change his mind about the reason behind their attempt to reconcile.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 02:41:57 +0000 UTC
I feel like the ending didn't make Vane change his mind or realize he was wrong at all. If anything he's just doubled down on how right he was that there was no such thing as reconciliation, that it was a fool's errand, that they are the enemy and we should never bow to them ever. Now he's been vindicated and if the Nassau he believes in is to remain strong and feared, he cant let a figure like Flint be hung and shown off. In his mind, Vane is just emboldened and reaffirmed that his beliefs were always correct, that trying to ask for forgiveness was a mistake they all made that he never would.
ArtficialFlvrz
2024-02-19 02:38:34 +0000 UTC
That looks great! Love the shading work.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 02:33:22 +0000 UTC
I knew this episode would make you speak Serbian haha. The most shocking stuff always does.
I am surprised you're so understanding toward Peter Ashe though lol. Like, his family's "standing" was threatened, but that's a much less severe threat than what was being aimed at Thomas, Miranda, and James if Ashe betrayed them. As Miranda said back in episode 5 of his season, "They hang men for this", and while they avoided the noose it was a very real possibility. And Thomas's escape from hanging was to go to a torturous hospital where the patients are treated as less than human. So I guess for me "my family's social standing" doesn't feel like even a remotely understandable excuse.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 02:12:36 +0000 UTC
Also, letās live in denial that theyāre over halfway done with the show now, okay?
cosmotron
2024-02-19 02:11:41 +0000 UTC
āThe time for storytelling is past. Now is the time for cold hard truths.ā Oh Eleanor, thereās always time for storytelling on this show.
Her getting arrested is a great twist though. You donāt think about it, even though it makes sense (especially with Flint off the island). Hornigold and the others arenāt going to wait around for him to come back. Eleanor really is the perfect candidate to give over to England.
Oh yeah, then thereās the part where a boat comes over from Charlestown. And they talk about how Flint betrayed their trust. Because of COURSE thatās the story they are going to tell. They didnāt do anything wrong! It was the pirates who did wrong. Why would you think anything else?
I canāt wait to see how angry Lola and Milena get about all of this, because I get very angry about it too lol. It really is just so infuriating to hear.
Vaneās choice. It's wild to get to this point, considering he was literally strangling Flint a few episodes ago. But boy does it feel good and exciting.
āNassau is strongest when sheās feared. So if what promises to happen tomorrow happens, making a trophy of one of her most notorious captains, she may never be feared again. So I suggest we do something about this. I suggest we get him the hell out of there.ā Fuck yeah.
And now we arrive at the last scene! Eleanor getting arrested is a great narrative complication, and a great twist as I mentioned before. Also, āQueen of Thievesā is a pretty great title, and very appropriate for her.
Thatās where we leave off. What an episode. Iāve said it already, but the acting and writing were just top notch. Mirandaās death hurts every time, and even though itās shocking it doesnāt feel like it was done for shock value, which is an important distinction I think. Canāt wait to watch Lola and Milenaās reaction, and to see what they think of the S2 finale.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 02:11:30 +0000 UTC
"And hereee we goo" - Joker
MOB12
2024-02-19 02:05:43 +0000 UTC
Thanks :) I'll probably make one of our sad boy Flint in the future
HenryM
2024-02-19 02:03:25 +0000 UTC
And the way Miranda tries to hold it in, tries to stop herselfā¦but she canāt bear for James to do this. She canāt let this happen to him. And thatās when she can no longer hold the real truth in.
She asks about the clock.
This hurts every time. Her questions are soā¦biting. Every word gets more and more fire behind it, and Louise Barnes puts so much fury and grief and rightousness into her performance. Because she is RIGHT. What Ashe is asking of Flintā¦to bare himself to the world and take Englandās punishment, to serve as their āslainā monster while Ashe gets to portray himself as the hero finally fulfilling Thomasās dream?
āPerhaps this is an opportunity for us all to find a little forgiveness.ā HAH. FUCKING HAH. God, itād be one thing even if he had confessed to this willingly. That would have shown a true desire for forgiveness, would have shown genuine regret. But this? Heās ashamed because he got caught.
āTell me, sir, when does the truth about YOUR sins come to light?ā Tell him Miranda!
āYou wish to return to civilization, THAT is what civilization is!ā And thatās what Ashe represents, of course. The true face of civilization.
āYou destroyed our lives! You caused our exile! Thomas died in a cold, dark place--ā
āI am trying to help you, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM ME?ā
āWhat do I want? I want to see this whole goddamn city, this city you PURCHASED with our misery, burn. I want to see you hanged on the very gallows youāve used to hang men for crimes far slighter than this. I want to see that noose around your neck and I want to pull the FUCKING LEVER WITH MY OWN TWO HANDS!ā
Chills every time. What a fucking speech. And for it to end with her getting shot in the headā¦itās easily one of the most shocking deaths Iāve ever experienced. And it still hits even knowing itās coming. If anything, it hurts more because you see all the signs, you understand her so much more, and you can fully appreciate the truth sheās shoutingā¦and then sheās killed by ācivilizationā.
Also, poor Abigail. I love how we hear her scream right before Flint is knocked out. Itās such an effective way to cut to another scene. Though, I honestly always forget Mirandaās death isnāt how the episode ends!
cosmotron
2024-02-19 01:59:14 +0000 UTC
The most tense dinner of all time continues. The way Miranda is looking around at the goblet in her hands, the pitcher in Asheāsā¦I wonder if she is recognizing other things that were once in her own house. That she and Thomas once had.
The fact that Ashe proposes they do this āwith the truthā is downright laughable considering what gets revealed. What a fucking hypocrite. On top of that, his proposal? All it would do is put Flint on display for England to punish, as Miranda will later point out.
I think Peter Ashe sees this as finally a way to truly hide his mistake, his shame. To paint it over so he can finally pretend he didnāt do it. Because the thing is, he knows what he did was wrong. He knows he betrayed them, betrayed Thomas. That if he were true to them and his convictions he would have held his ground. He knows what the right thing to do is, he just chose to not do it. And all of these years thereās a small piece of him that has known it, has been ashamed of it, but not enough to do anything about it. In fact, it only made him cling harder to the choice heād made.
So when Flint and Miranda showed up, it was like they offered him a way to feel better about himself. To pretend he didnāt betray them, that he can have done it and still uphold Thomasās dream. To let Flint take the fall and feel better about it because heās willingly sacrificing himself, and itās all in the name of a better cause.
Itās very well written. But it doesnāt stop me from hating him and being infuriated by him.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 01:58:53 +0000 UTC
God, that reflective shot of everyone in the glass of the clock as they are eating dinnerā¦every shot with that goddamn clock is both beautiful and heart wrenching.
Minor note, but I feel bad for Abigail having to leave in the middle of her dinner lol. Like she didnāt even take her plate! Girlās gonna go hungry for a while.
I like how Max and Anneās reunion also has a lot of emotion to it, and in a way that feels entirely different to the one with Anne and Jack. Anneās small smile and that little handhold say so much.
āAre you suggesting we do this to save ourselves, or that we do this to save the crew?ā Iām not sure even John knows the answer to that right now, and that disturbs him as much as anything.
I think itās interesting that Billy makes much of the same argument to Vane that Eleanor has. Vane flat out said that the idea of England/the Navy coming back to claim Nassau was āa fantasyā no matter how much Eleanor tried to convince him otherwise. The only difference is that Billyās experience is a recent and personal one. Obviously she didnāt say anything about hating Flint, which might have helped to convince Vane a little too lol. But, my point is, itās kinda interesting that they made similar arguments and were trying to convince Vane of the same thing. But Vane couldnāt believe what Eleanor told him at all, while he can believe Billyās word.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 01:58:16 +0000 UTC
Then, thereās the absolutely breathtaking scene between Flint and Miranda in the bedroom. Where he tells her about how he chose the name Flint, if he is ready to ālet him goā.
Itās such a great story, and so wonderfully acted. I know I bring up Toby Stephenās performance every episode, but I canāt help it. Heās *incredible*.
The story itself reminds me a little of Gatesās words in the episode he died. Talking about how the sea āswallows us whole, as if weād never been there at allā. So too this mysterious āMr. Flintā is seemingly swallowed up by the sea.
I also love the ambiguity in the story. Itās something this show loves to have, and itās in this story within a story too: we donāt know if this Mr. Flint is guilty or innocent, if the crime actually took place, if he lived or died, hell if he was even real. Then of course it just builds to such a sad reveal.
āEvery day Iāve worn that name Iāve hated him a little more.ā Because the truth is, for all that he talked about being determined to āonly wearā the name of Flint for a whileā¦he canāt separate his actions like that. He still did these things. It is *himself* he has grown to hate more and more. It reminds me of the moment between himself and Silver earlier in the season, when he asked if the crew thought of him as a villain. And my heart continues to break.
Unfortunately, this episode isnāt going to stop breaking it.
Silver choice on the ship. It really seems like it happens in part *because* of Randall. The way he stares at his body before he grabs the knife, and keeps staring afterwardā¦it was like seeing this and reflecting on it made him feel something. And that something made him want to go for a āthird optionā. And thatās something Silver would not have thought to do earlier this season.
And so Eleanor enacts her plan. Her assassins begin taking out everyone that knows where the Urca gold is, and I love how it is intercut with her speech. I also love the misdirect we get with Anne showing up when we are expecting Jack to get attacked.
Anne and Jackās reunion feels very loaded with emotions, though she doesnāt get too far before theyāre interrupted by the assassins of course. I love watching Anne stab people, itās always awesome. And I like that she isnāt an unrealistically unstoppable badass, but still very capable. Like sheās very fast and has to use that against those that are physically stronger than her, and she has to be very quick thinking in the moment as well.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 01:57:50 +0000 UTC
Eleanor really has mobster energy in this episode. I mean, thatās kind of what sheās always been, but she feels like sheās from one of the Godfather movies a little bit here haha. The meetings in her office where people are giving offerings, making business deals during her dadās funeralā¦definitely Godfather energy.
There are so many shots where that clock is featured so prominently. Once you know, itās impossible to not see it everywhere, like a fucking ghost haunting them in the corner.
Mirandaās face when Flint says that he and she would retire to the interior to live in peaceā¦:(
God, Miranda knows. She may not have figured it all out but she knows something is wrong, that all of this is wrong, and that clock has set it off. Thereās no going back.
Randall! I forgot this is the episode where Randall dies. RIP Randall. While not a favorite side character he was always fun, and I love that the show stayed ambiguous about whether or not he was a secret genius.
Awww, we also lose Joshua in this fight too, the crewmember with the false teeth! He was always fun. But this fight as Vaneās crew takes over is incredibly intense. And, I have to emphasize, despite being dark I donāt feel like I canāt see anything! Itās incredibly refreshing to have a show use their lighting properly in dark scenes.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 01:57:29 +0000 UTC
We go from there, finally, to Flint and Miranda meeting with Ashe in Charlestown. Thingsā¦arenāt going all that smoothly at first.
āI cannot fathom how those people I knew, turned into you.ā You, uhā¦really canāt fathom that, Peter Ashe? Youā¦CANāT FATHOMā¦how these two people who lost everythingā¦were driven to dark deeds in the name of grief and revengeā¦right after giving a speech about how fearing for Abigail made you give over to ādark thoughts of revengeā?
God, every rewatch makes Peter Ashe come off worse and worse, I swear.
āYou became captain of a pirate crew in four months?ā
āI became the captain of a pirate crew faster than that.ā Great exchange lol. Also, considering what we have seen, completely believable.
Also, he talks about meeting Gates! :(
Hm, sure is funny how hung up Peter Ashe is on Alfred Hamiltonās death! Youād think heād at least give some caveat about knowing that he wasnāt a āgreat manā or something, butā¦no such qualifiers! Strange, that.
And then comes the moment Miranda stands to take responsibilityā¦and Asheās man threatens her with a gun. Always hurts watching that the second time. The first time, you just take it as a warning to show the precariousness of the situation: you really donāt think about it firing. Or if you do, youāve certainly forgotten about it by the time the gun actually goes off.
The exchange about the broken sail is hilarious. āCanāt go up there ātil itās fixed.ā Love it.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 01:48:52 +0000 UTC
God. Thereās so much to talk about with this one. Iāve already talked a little about The Big Thing in smaller comments, but thereās still a whole lot left to discuss. So, letās get into it.
We open with Richard Guthrieās body being cleaned and prepared for burial. We continue to see Eme, as we have intermittently this season. Sheās not a major character but itās nice to see the show keeping track of her and having her a part of this world. It makes it feel more real and lived in.
Eleanorās expression as she watches the process, and then later the blankness that seems to overtake it in her officeā¦woof. Sheās a storm of emotions, and that makes her more dangerous and unpredictable, as we are going to see later.
Aaaand then Max walks in her door, and even Eleanor seems surprised. Also, I like how Max says that she brings things from āthe girlsā as if coming here wasnāt her own idea lol.
But itās a great scene. I always love when these two play off each other. And I think Max is here for a number of reasons. To gauge Eleanorās reaction and headspace certainly, but I think she is also there because of the tie she still feels to Eleanor. She said not all that long ago that she still felt the urge to reach after Eleanor to hold and comfort her, and I think thatās probably still buried in there. But, itās also very much to gain information, and I think itās really interesting how Max uses her understanding of people and her empathy to get what she wants. A lot of times when you have a character who is manipulative they tend to beā¦more along the lines of say Littlefinger types. But Max isnāt like that. She is someone that contains both ruthless intelligence and extreme empathy, and she uses both (earnestly and otherwise) to survive and gain control for herself.
āThere is no part of this that is complicated.ā Even the way she speaks is different now. Something has changed within her because of this. Again, the last time she saw her dad they shared literally the only moment of intimacy we have *ever* seen between them. Finally, she thought maybe they were going to have some kind of relationshipā¦and then Vane killed him.
I also really enjoy the exchange Max has with Jack just outside of Eleanorās place. Talking about all the different ways she has seen Eleanor (highlighting again that she has a good understanding of her in general), but that thisā¦āWas entirely something else.ā
Well. Thatās not worrying at all! And then Eleanor watching them from the window like a fucking horror jumpcut. āFoul things brewing hereā indeed.
I wonder if Eleanor is still steeling herself at that moment. She seems to be kind of breathing hard as she waits for the knock on her door and the men she hired. More on that later though.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 01:48:24 +0000 UTC
That's sick dude!! I'd love to see more :)
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-19 01:34:08 +0000 UTC
Vane is the best well third or fourth best but you get my point.
Melkor
2024-02-19 01:33:31 +0000 UTC
Never let it be said again that Vane is not a reasonable person. He's actually one of the MORE reasonable characters and when he respects you he will listen to what you have to say and take your words into consideration. I LOVED how he acknowledged how Billy was right and gave one of the most epic speeches of the entire series in which he condemned England and vowed to save Flint. What can I say about Miranda but it was truly the first heartbreaking death for me in the show and like you ladies said it was also the death of James McGraw, there is only Flint now. John at this point doesn't even realize why he does the things he does, but it does have something to do with caring for these people, even if just caring a little. I loved watching every characters progression throughout this season, obviously Flint and Vane were the standouts for me this season as we got to know them so much deeper and I grew to love both unconditionally in this season. I have problems with Eleanor as a character and she was never my favorite but seeing her carted away by Hornigold and Dufresne brought so much rage inside me, out of all people to bring her down it should NOT be those two, I truly hate both those men, but I too saw something like this coming for her a long time ago.
Nyeisha Melvina Clark
2024-02-19 01:27:40 +0000 UTC
I mean I have as much sympathy for her as I do basically anyone on this show. I think you could apply that statement to all of the characters. Theyāre all behind shit that can have bad consequences, and more often than not their attempts to get what they want fly too close to the sun as it were.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 01:22:32 +0000 UTC
Probably an unpopular opinion but Iām not gonna defend Eleanor for whatever happens to her. Sheās been behind a lot of things and this time she just went too close to the sun and got burned. No sympathy from me
We can discuss the reasons all day and I donāt think she was bad at governing but some of the things sheās done were bound to have consequences sooner or later.
Melkor
2024-02-19 01:01:05 +0000 UTC
I recently just heard that ending song in invincible great song
MrGuy3000
2024-02-19 00:53:27 +0000 UTC
And now our watch begins for EP 10 . Did you ladies watch any more then 3x03 or we talking like 4x01 already š
Sone
2024-02-19 00:46:14 +0000 UTC
RIP Flint's sanity
HenryM
2024-02-19 00:32:40 +0000 UTC
I haven't been so shocked at a scene since I first watched the Wire!
I made a drawing of Miranda to honor her character, thought I'd share it with y'all
https://i.imgur.com/Rp5KWBo.png
HenryM
2024-02-19 00:31:07 +0000 UTC
nooo, i want to watch this so badly but i'm in the middle of reading a book and i'm hooked so i'll have to leave this one for tomorrow.
silver lining, the wait for 2x10 won't feel as long.
sand_fl
2024-02-19 00:27:05 +0000 UTC
Random question but do you intend to let us catch up on your Black sails reactions so we get close to where you currently are lol?
That way you can ask questions and we can answer them so youāll see them for your next reaction. I know the show is good but please let us catch up a bit. :)
Melkor
2024-02-19 00:22:41 +0000 UTC
Time for Flintās peace was never an option phase to come lol.
Melkor
2024-02-19 00:19:56 +0000 UTC
My night has been made. :)
Melkor
2024-02-19 00:18:45 +0000 UTC
The best way to end the weekend. Let's go!
Gustavo
2024-02-19 00:16:40 +0000 UTC
Oh, one more small thing before I start posting my longer comments: when Eleanor is enacting her plan, we donāt actually see her killers-for-hire go after Max. When the idea of killing those who were planning to go for the gold first came up, Maxās name was the one Eleanor was most hesitant to mention. And we see the people she hires attack everyone elseā¦but we donāt see that happen with Max. Itās possible they would have gone after her when they were done with Jack and Featherstone, and they certainly werenāt expecting Anne to be there. But, as this is a show that loves its ambiguity, I think itās a very fascinating thing to note.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 00:15:46 +0000 UTC
Shoutout to Louise Barnes. She was *incredible* in this role, and every rewatch Iāve had has just shown more and more what a layered character Miranda was. And her final moments are so powerful: sheās so *righteous* in her anger. A lot of her character has involved the idea of the truth, and getting others to see the truth. Whether it was through discussions of philosophy, or helping Flint to confront the truths he needed to. And of course, here. Shouting the truth at Peter Ashe, demanding to know when it is *his* sins shall come to light, while he pushes Flint out front to take the brunt of Englandās punishment.
And of course, thereās the anger itself. Itās been said that there is a dark thing that rises up in Flint when his āpassionsā are aroused, but that is true of Miranda, if to a lesser degree. But that wrath is absolutely within her. Itās what made her tell Flint about Alfred Hamiltonās location, and itās what makes her break her silence at that dinner table to reveal Asheās betrayal.
What a character. She will be missed.
cosmotron
2024-02-19 00:15:09 +0000 UTC
Hey guys, here's my review for 2x09. Really wish I had been recording my reaction to this one, this and 3x02 were the final motivation I needed to start recording my reactions, which you'll be getting from 3x03 onwards. For now though, enjoy this hour long analysis on what I think is one of the greatest epiosdes of television I have seen in a very long time (and yes, I know I'm slightly out of focus, I was still trying out different settings when I shot this š The rest will be perfect šš). Review starts at 2:55
https://youtu.be/OTF134_LU24?si=4BG-wQerZMAlrA2z
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-19 00:14:51 +0000 UTC
So, I pointed this out in code in the previous reaction, but that clock is *literally* the first thing you see when we initially enter Peter Asheās house in the last episode. Then of course thereās also a line Miranda had, which was referring to Abigail but is also applicable here.
āItās like sheās some sort of clock thatās finally struck its chime and woken me from this dream Iāve been living.ā
These are moments that hit like a truck when you know whatās coming with Miranda. And still the actual moment feels so shocking.