Black Sails 2x05 Reaction
Added 2024-02-05 01:19:28 +0000 UTC
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Lrf Syvag gevny jnf gur guvat gung fbyq uvz va gur raq, naq ng svefg ur fnvq gb Ovyyl vg jnf nyy ohyyfuvg, ohg gur zbzrag Ovyyl gryyf uvz gung ur gbb qbrf ungr Syvag ohg gung ur fnj jvgu uvf bja rlrf gur guerng naq gung Syvag jnf evtug, lbh pna frr Inar'f rkcerffvba punatvat nf vs fbzrguvat yvtugarq hc vafvqr uvz. Haha ok, fair enough :D
Sweet Owl
2024-02-08 15:59:11 +0000 UTCMy point was they could have left the fort. Got on their new ship and gone to somewhere else while they ransom her. They didn’t have to stay. I absolutely agree that Vane values freedom more than anything, and the power of the fort gives him the freedom he wants, mostly from Eleanors control at this point. He leaves that fort, he goes back to being just another captain that relies on her, or could have his shit taken by her again. I don’t think he wants power for powers sake, he wants it because having that power gives him the most freedom right now. . Ur qvqa'g "yvfgra" gb Ovyyl hagvy gur guerng bs Syvag orvat xvyyrq. Ur arrqrq na npghny guvat gb unccra, be gur guerng bs fbzrguvat, whfg jbeqf qvqa'g jbex ba uvz. Fnzr nf jura Syvag gevrq gb trg Novtnvy sebz uvz. Whfg jbeqf qvqa'g zrna Wnpx fuvg. Ur arrqrq fbzrguvat gnatvoyr. Naq jura Syvag nggnpxrq gur Sbeg gurl unq abguvat gb genqr jvgu uvz, naq ab npghny cebbs gung pvivyvfngvba jnf pbzvat sbe gurz, gb hcraq gurve pbzsl cvengr vfynaq. Inar qvq punatr uvf zvaq, naq fb qvq Syvag, ohg n ybg unq punatrq ol gur raq bs gur frnfba gb trg gurz obgu gb gung zvqqyr tebhaq jvgu rnpu bgure. Ohg ng guvf cbvag va gvzr, V fgvyy qba'g frr nal bgure jnl guvf pbhyq unir tbar. Inar jbhyqa'g yrnir, naq Syvag jbhyqa'g gehfg uvz va gurer. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t think anything Flint said would have made Vane leave that Fort, and there is no way Flint could have trusted Vane enough to leave him in there.
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-08 10:42:04 +0000 UTCThat's it, Sweet Owl, I completely agree with everything you said.
Gustavo
2024-02-07 22:28:16 +0000 UTCBut he DID want to go and ransom Abigail, it's simply not something you can just go and do. He made her write a ransom letter which will take days to go there by ship and then he will probably have to wait an answer to that which will takes more days. I'm quite confident Vane would have saild to Charlestown if Flint didn't arrive at Nassau. I don't think Vane cares about power per se, he cares about freedom and to be able to do what he wants (nf ur jvyy pyrneyl gryy Syvag arkg frnfba jura gurl gnyx va Zvenaqn'f ubhfr). And yes, to gain that kind of freedom he definitely needs to be strong, but him taking the fort was about achieving that goal (and also to both spite and being close to Eleonor in my opinion) not because he has an actual lust of power. Also yeah I think he cares about riches but the goal is always freedom, he doesn't want to live comfortable and relaxed. On the contrary, most of his new crew (especially the second in command) cares about all of those things, but Vane was very good at keeping them in line. Inar qvqa'g pner nobhg Syvag fcrrpurf nobhg pvivyvmngvbaf ng svefg, lbh'er evtug, ohg ur jnf pbaivaprq yngre. Ur yvfgrarq gb Ovyyl jura ur jnf uvf cevfbare naq rira vs Inar jnfa'g gbgnyyl pbaivaprq lrg, ur npghnyyl yvfgrarq. Ur gura frg serr Syvag, ng svefg abg orpnhfr ur pnerq nobhg uvz ohg orpnhfr uvf qrngu ol Ratynaq jbhyq unir orra n ceboyrz sbe nyy cvengrf, ohg nsgre gur riragf va Puneyrfgbja Inar npghnyyl fvqrq jvgu Syvag naq haqrefgbbq gur arrq gb svtug Ratynaq gbtrgure naq gung perngvat gurve bja "fgngr" jbhyq unir orra gur bayl jnl gb xrrc gurve jnl bs yvsr.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-07 16:40:45 +0000 UTCHe did tell Ned that his place was at sea. He has Ned’s ship, so why doesn’t he just leave? Go and ransom Abigail, instead of trying to keep the Fort by going to kill Flint. Because the Fort gives him power. It puts him on at least equal footing with Eleanor, which is what he really wants. You both really think Vane wants to exchange that for some coins from Flint and Eleanor? Lol Vane wouldn’t be swayed by Flints arguments about civilisation coming for them, so they need to make their own little civilisation. Vane doesn’t give a shit about that. And Flint knows it. It’s why he wouldn’t trust him to stay in the Fort. He doesn’t believe that Vane and his men would stay and help defend the Island, they would just take the money and skip out when the time came.
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-07 15:28:33 +0000 UTCThat's a very good point Gustavo, I didn't even think about that.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-07 00:07:00 +0000 UTCI disagree, Wanda. As Vane said to Ned Low (and I think he was being honest about this part) his place is at sea, not wasting away in the fort, so I think Flint could try to offer him something, maybe even give up a small part of the gold to give to Vane. Besides, Flint is the master when it comes to convincing people, and the fact that he didn't even try, even if the chance of it working out was small, it was too great of a matter to not at least try.
Gustavo
2024-02-06 23:56:09 +0000 UTCyeah, S3 can't come soon enough. :D
Gustavo
2024-02-06 23:37:53 +0000 UTCYes you are right, that's why Scott said to "accept captain Vane as a necessary evil", the idea was to somehow reach an agreement with Vane and leave him in the fort, because the cost to pay in order to kick him out was too high. This solution would have pissed off Hornigold even more of course, but it would have still been better than crippling Nassau defences, especially considering that the royal navy was already at their doors.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-06 16:46:27 +0000 UTCBut there’s nothing I can think of that Vane would have taken in exchange for leaving the fort. It’s not just a building, it’s a position of power. He can literally dictate any terms about anything he likes in the bay and on the beach so long as he’s in there. He would need something equal to that, which no one can give him. They could try and negotiate until the end of days and it wouldn’t have changed anything.
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-06 16:08:33 +0000 UTC"The lady" 😂😂😂
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-06 11:48:52 +0000 UTCJryy, lbh qba'g frr vg ba fperra, ohg ur gnyxf nobhg vg jvgu gung Oreevatre thl va F4 orsber ur qbrf vg gb Grnpu. Naq V'ir arire orra vagb gur Ebqtref naq Ryrnabe eryngvbafuvc, ohg V gubhtug vg znqr frafr sbe ure punenpgre. Rira gubhtu V ungr uvz naq erjngpuvat vg whfg znxrf zr srry fnq sbe ure. V yvxr Inar, ohg vg gbbx zr n juvyr gb ernyyl jnez hc gb uvz (n ovg yvxr Ybyn naq Zvyran va gung ertneq). Naq ur jnf arire n snibevgr, gubhtu V fgvyy sryg zber rzbgvbany guna V gubhtug V jbhyq jura ur qvrq. Naq Ryrnabe jnf fbzrbar jub V bsgra gubhtug znqr jebat pubvprf, ohg V nyfb haqrefgbbq jul fur znqr gubfr pubvprf. Naq gur zber V'ir jngpurq gur zber V frr gur gentvp plpyr bs ure punenpgre. Gurer'f gur Fcnva nfcrpg bs pbhefr, ohg nyfb gur bar univat gb qb jvgu ybir. Guebhtu fb zhpu bs gur fubj fur vf nygreangryl qrfcrengr sbe ybir naq chfurf gubfr fur ybirf/jub ybir ure njnl. Fur arire pubbfrf vg ng gur evtug zbzrag, naq nyjnlf vafgrnq jura vg vf zbfg jebat sbe ure. Naq fur bsgra qbrfa'g erpbtavmr vg jura vg'f gurer orpnhfr bs ubj fur terj hc jvgubhg vg. Gura fur zrrgf Ebqtref naq svanyyl guvaxf fur unf sbhaq fbzrbar jub gehyl frrf ure naq ybirf ure, ohg vg gheaf bhg gung ur qvqa'g. Naq zber guna gung, fur qvqa'g npghnyyl xabj uvz gur jnl fur gubhtug fur qvq rvgure. Fur fgnegf gb ernyvmr vg gbjneq gur raq, naq gung'f jul fur ortf sbe Syvag gb gryy ure vs Ebqtref jnf jvgu gur Fcnavfu fbyqvref. Naq Jul Syvag'f yvr gb pbzsbeg ure nyjnlf znxrf zr rzbgvbany. Oh that got longer than I meant it to lol. I'll have more to say on all of that as we go on though.
cosmotron
2024-02-06 04:27:41 +0000 UTCV qba'g erzrzore guvf cneg bs Ebtref xrryunhyvat gur jubyr perj. Ur ernyyl yvxrf guvf "grpuavdhr", qbrfa'g ur?! N ovg cflpub vs lbh nfx zr. Ebtref naq Ryrnabe'f ebznapr vf cebonoyl gur bayl guvat V qba'g yvxr nobhg va gur fubj, gurve ybir arire sryg erny gb zr. Jr ner ba gur bccbfvgr urer, Inar vf bar bs zl snibhevgrf, naq V arire ernyyl pnerq sbe Ryrnabe, naq lbh, gur bgure jnl nebhaq. unununu
Gustavo
2024-02-06 04:20:02 +0000 UTCFrr, V jnf arire nf vagb Inar nf n punenpgre. V yvxr uvz, ohg abg nf zhpu nf bgure crbcyr trarenyyl frrz gb, naq V gubhtug Ryrnabe'f npgvbaf znqr frafr sbe ure punenpgre. Fb ure univat uvz uhat qvqa'g punatr zl bcvavba bs ure zhpu. Jr qba'g trg n fprar bs ure gryyvat uvz, ohg pbafvqrevat nyy gur crbcyr jr unir frra ure gnyx gb nobhg vg (Znk, Zvenaqn, Inar, rgp) V'q svaq vg uneq gb oryvrir fur jbhyqa'g gnyx gb ure uhfonaq nobhg vg nf jryy. Gurer'f ab jnl fur qvqa'g gryy uvz ubj ure zbgure qvrq. Ohg vg'f qbhoyl jbefr, orpnhfr Ebqtref xabjf rirelguvat nobhg Ryrnabe. Ur xabjf nyy bs ure pevzrf, naq fur gbyq uvz bs ure orgenlnyf. Fur guvaxf fur xabjf uvz va ghea, ohg gurer ner nfcrpgf bs uvzfrys gung ur qryvorengryl uvq sebz ure. Uvf fgbel gb ure nobhg jung unccrarq jura uvf oebgure qvrq vf n pnershyyl rqvgrq irefvba. Guvf vf fbzrguvat nyyhqrq gb qhevat uvf pbairefngvba jvgu Wnpx (va 3k07 V guvax) jura gurl'er qvfphffvat gur obbx Ebqtref jebgr. Ebqtref fnlf "gurer ner guvatf lbh yrnir bhg bs gur obbx. Guvatf gung, vs vg tbg nebhaq gb cbyvgr fbpvrgl, jbhyq trg lbh havaivgrq sebz qvaare cnegvrf". Naq jr yngre yrnea gur gehgu bs jung ur qvq nsgre uvf oebgure qvrq: ur qvqa'g fgbc ng xvyyvat gur zna jub fubg uvz. Ab, ur xrryunhyrq gur ragver perj, rkprcg sbe bar gung ur yrsg nyvir. Nyy bs gung vf vasbezngvba ur qryvorengryl uvq sebz Ryrnabe, qrfcvgr gur snpg gung fur jvyyvatyl funerq nyy bs ure jbefg frys jvgu uvz. Nqq nyy bs gung gbtrgure jvgu uvz oevatvat ure jbefg srne qbja hcba ure? Lrnu, vg ubarfgyl znxrf zr srry irel fnq sbe ure.
cosmotron
2024-02-06 03:34:50 +0000 UTCV frr. V arire ernyyl gubhtug nobhg gur shyy pvepyr bs Ryrnabe naq gur Fcnavfu fbyqvref, gung vf gentvp, ohg gb or ubarfg, nsgre 3k09 V qvqa'g pner sbe ure ng nyy, fb V qvqa'g ernyyl pner nobhg ure qrngu. Ohg ertneqvat Ebtref, qvq ur xabj nobhg ure uvfgbel jvgu gur Fcnavfu? V qba'g erzrzore.
Gustavo
2024-02-06 03:25:18 +0000 UTCAnger is comfort zone for him, so he just stayed there.
Gustavo
2024-02-06 03:16:34 +0000 UTCYeah, knowing how vital the fort is to Nassau's independence and not even try to negotiate with Vane, having Eleanor as intermediate, was not very logical. With the fort and no gold, they can maybe resist an invasion, but without the fort they can have all the gold in the world and wouldn't be able to resist.
Gustavo
2024-02-06 02:41:31 +0000 UTCV yvxr Ryrnabe guebhtu gur jubyr fubj. V pna haqrefgnaq jul fbzr crbcyr qba'g, ohg V'ir nyjnlf sbhaq ure wbhearl gb or vagrerfgvat naq hygvzngryl gentvp. Rira vs V qvqa'g V'q fgvyy svaq Jbbqrf Ebqtref npgvbaf gb or urvabhf gubhtu.
cosmotron
2024-02-06 02:32:49 +0000 UTCOl gung cbvag lbh fgvyy yvxrq Ryrnabe?
Gustavo
2024-02-06 02:26:58 +0000 UTCYeah, all of these things combined.
Gustavo
2024-02-06 02:19:00 +0000 UTCA few other thoughts: This episode fully reveals the extent of Eleanor's fear of a raid from Spain, but going back through the series it's been a very consistent thing with her character. Back in the second episode of the entire series she talked with Max about the aftermath of it, how her father let everything fall into disarray and the people here were living like animals in its wake. And we've learned over the past two episodes that this is specifically because she remembers what it was like when that happened before, and that it's how her mother died as well. That experience, combined with her father's abandonment afterward, really were the things that made Eleanor who she is in a lot of ways. I kind of commented on it before, but this episode really shows us three different ways in which fathers really fucked up/over their kids. We have Eleanor's dad, Thomas's dad, and Flint's "closest thing" to a father in Hennessey. All three have taken actions that involve them not choosing their kids and not protecting them when they needed it. All three abandoned their children in one way or another. :( (Series spoilers) V ungr Jbbqrf Ebqtref. V ernyyl ernyyl ungr uvz. Ur yvgrenyyl oevatf uvf jvsr'f OVTTRFG SRNE qbja ba ure naq vg trgf ure xvyyrq.
cosmotron
2024-02-05 23:14:46 +0000 UTCNothing else to say but that Flint's backstory is so beautifully tragic and rare when it comes to main characters of Movies/Shows especially during the time the show came out. He is truly the saddest boy so it's hard not to feel for him even if what he is doing is horrible. The twist between Jack, Anne, Max was shocking but it makes sense that Jack would choose to pay Max over Anne because Max is literally the one that got him to where he is now, she removed the black spot put on him by asking Vane (which he only got because of Anne's choices), she got him a ship and a crew, she did it all, so I completely understand him, it just sucks for Anne but I get it. I also understand the crew not really wanting to trust Anne, after what she did, ANY crew would be apprehensive to work with her, whether we agree with her decision or not. Silver is my absolute FAVORITE character in the whole series, the actor just has amazing chemistry with any other actor he's paired up against. His scenes with Billy and Randall were fantastic, and I loved his whole "Liked is just as good as feared" mentality because it's a direct contrast to Flint who uses fear to get what he desires and yet Ironically Flint cares more about whether he's liked at the end of the day. Just great writing and characterization all around.
Nyeisha Melvina Clark
2024-02-05 22:41:10 +0000 UTCOh yeah I understand his lack of trust in Vane too, but I also know he is a very intelligent, logical (most of the times) and pragmatic man, that's why I think he should have bitten the bullet and listen to Mr. Scott. He could have found a way to secure the gold without crippling Nassau biggest defense and splitting the inhabitans into two factions.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-05 22:22:56 +0000 UTCMiranda is her name. And yeah it's a really harsh thing for him to do, to lash out and blame her for that when we see how much she tried to warn him and Thomas. And you can see how much his words hurt her too.
cosmotron
2024-02-05 21:56:33 +0000 UTCIt wasn't fair of Flint to blame the lady (sorry I still don't know her name) for not letting him try to rescue Thomas. If both Thomas and Flint listened to her when she said they were going down a road of ruin Thomas would still be alive. It played out exactly how she said it would and Flints rescue attempt certainly would have failed as she predicted.
Shivering King Banana
2024-02-05 20:44:48 +0000 UTCI had a similar experience. I saw gif sets on tumblr of Thomas and Flint kissing as well as ones of Anne and Max. That was one of the main reasons I ended up watching the show, and being able to pick up on the little hints along the way was really cool, and made this reveal no less devastatingly lovely.
cosmotron
2024-02-05 19:40:25 +0000 UTCWith my wee little Dragonball Z mug, nonetheless 😁😊
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-05 17:31:17 +0000 UTCplease, 5 minutes into the video and i've thought about derrry girls twice and ayo edebiri once lol not the 'what if i movie the camera a wee bit' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnFfCeybvVU 00:40
sand_fl
2024-02-05 15:05:23 +0000 UTCWanda you were never being annoying at any stage, I'm just busting your balls 😂 I assumed the sarcasm would translate over text. I always like hearing where I got things wrong because then things will improve. I'm looking forward to shooting my actual reactions once I get to 3x03
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-05 14:45:20 +0000 UTCOkay, just had a listen and can I just say, I’m really going to enjoy these reviews. That was so good. I’m not going to correct anything, I don’t think there is any factual things to correct this time lol story is that’s been annoying for you, I was just trying to be helpful 😊. And I know you love Jack and you think he’s the smartest man on the show, but this episode goes to show that he really is dumb as fuck about Anne. Everyone knew, we all knew, how she would take that decision. That her attachment/abandonment issues would be tigger to hell, but not Jack. He didn’t think it would be at all helpful to sit himself, Anne and Max in a room to talk it out first, ease her fears, come up with a plan. I love him, but he really does not know Anne the way he thinks he does lol Man I WISH SO MUCH, that you had started reacting to the end of the season. It’s just one big “wtf just happened” moment after another. And 3x01. I love seeing most peoples confusion about that.
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-05 14:41:57 +0000 UTCI can see Flints point of view tho. He absolutely does not trust Vane. He cannot go and get the gold and bring it back while Vane is in that fort. And he has absolutely nothing to tempt Vane out with/or have trust that Vane won’t just try and retake it over again at another time if he can do some kind of impossible trade to get him out
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-05 13:43:24 +0000 UTCI won't comment on Flint and Thomas relationship or Jack, Anne and Max because so much has already been said, instead I'd like to focus on a point that was not discussed: what do you guys think about Flint decision to attack the fort? As I stated several times before I'm an all time Flint supporter, but this is one of the few instances where I disagree with him. I think the night before Mr. Scott was the voice of reason (like he often is) and Flint should have listened to him. I say this of course not as a viewer who already has seen the entire show, but trying to put myself in the shoes of anyone living in Nassau.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-05 13:01:10 +0000 UTCI came into Black Sails knowing the true relationship between Flint and Thomas. I started watching it in 2018 when it was already finished. I had already seen many gifs on Tumblr back in the day and so I was ‘spoiled’ on it. Although I will always say that my first watch through was actually an experience I’ll never take away from myself. Knowing this context already just enriched my understanding of Flint early on and gave the first season in particular soo much weight. And while I’ll never know how I would of reacted to it if I didn’t know the full context it just goes to show with the many reactions I’ve seen and the people I’ve talked to about this show that even though they were surprised by Flint and Thomas their first reaction was “Oh of course! It now makes sense”. (Of course there were people particularly back when this was airing who accused the show of ‘turning gay’ but let’s just ignore those fools) The creators did their job right. It awards the people who were paying close attention and guessed what was happening. It awards the people who did not have a clue but then they could now actually track all of the hints and subtext. And it awards people like me who may have gotten spoiled but it in no way ruins the experience of the show.
Sacha
2024-02-05 12:41:04 +0000 UTCUnfortunately there were in fact a lot of toxic comments about Flint being gay (I'd say bi actually), several (stupid) people complained about their macho show with a macho main character turned into "gay revenge" or something like that.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-05 11:35:27 +0000 UTCFor what it's worth I know I'm slightly out of focus, in case that was what you were going to mention 😉 All joking aside I'd love to hear what you have to say if you feel like it, as always 😊
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-05 11:31:37 +0000 UTCI mean, I can, but it doesn’t seem like you want me too 🤷🏼😁
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-05 11:29:27 +0000 UTCI'm kinda glad that Black Sails has a small audience, because I can't imagine how obnoxious and toxic the online discourse would have likely been about the Flint/Thomas reveal otherwise. Remember episode 3 of The Last of Us? Those were just a couple of side characters that we had zero investment in, and yet the manufactured outrage was still strong.
Scott
2024-02-05 06:11:46 +0000 UTCSo cool that you put yourself out there! I like the format of how you went through the episode, review was on point as always.
Ninaly
2024-02-05 03:06:45 +0000 UTCReally liked Gustavo's comment! I think the fact Flint didn't resist back then means that he feels he can never stop resisting now, like he can only show Thomas true penitence through endless fight. I think shame played a big hand in him leaving with Miranda - because the more ashamed you are, the less you fight the punishment. But it led to Thomas' death and it feels like every moment after has been his apology for ever letting that shame control him.
Ninaly
2024-02-05 03:03:51 +0000 UTCHis five stages of grief are all anger
HenryM
2024-02-05 02:51:57 +0000 UTC"That instead I listened to you" I felt so bad for Miranda, they're both hurting and try to take care of each other, so seeing Flint take out his anger on her hurts me physically 💔
HenryM
2024-02-05 02:46:17 +0000 UTCI think Miranda is half right about her assumptions. Right about Flint fighting for the sake of fighting because that's the only way he can function, but wrong about the reasons why. Anger and sadness play a big part, but also the constant fighting keeps his mind occupied, and that way he doesn't have much time to think about the loss of Thomas or to feel guity about not having done anything to save him.
Gustavo
2024-02-05 02:29:11 +0000 UTCCaptain James Flint/McGraw, my ultimate "I support gay rights and gay wrongs."
MelGoethals
2024-02-05 02:19:00 +0000 UTCAnd so it begins. God. This scene. There’s just so much to unpack here. So many emotions it brings out in me. I can’t wait to see what Milena and Lola have to say about it. Miranda explains who Vane is holding captive in his fort. It takes a moment, but the recognition is there in Flint’s eyes. He knows who Abigail is. Even that on its own isn’t enough of course, but that’s not what Miranda is really here about. It’s not just concern over Abigail: she wants him to use this as an opportunity. To explain to Peter Ashe what Flint wants, how it is just an extension of what they all wanted all those years ago. She makes good points about how things are different now: no Alfred Hamilton, no war with Spain, and Peter Ashe was close to convincing Parliament with all of those things in the past. Flint reminds us that Peter Ashe has a reputation for being very harsh on piracy, hanging those just suspected of possessing pirated goods. But Miranda continues to insist: if Flint rescues Abigail and brings her to her father, won’t it prove what Flint really wants? That he is still the man who “sat in on Thomas’s salon and spoke of virtue and reason and forgiveness.” Her words intercut with a flashback that we saw some of before. That dinner with Alfred Hamilton, after James stood up for Thomas and Miranda. It builds slowly. Even knowing what is happening it still makes my heart pound, gives me chills to watch as Thomas walks around the table and approaches James. Gently lays a hand on his shoulder and stares into his eyes. Miranda in the present insists that there is no other way, that the Urca gold will not accomplish what he wants. That once he is “honest about his intentions here”, there will be no other way. Flint says that his intentions have been very clear, but Miranda disagrees. And the following exchange…is incredible writing. “You’ve been anything BUT clear! You say you fight for the sake of Nassau, for the sake of your men, for the sake of Thomas and his memory. But the truth of the matter is it isn’t for any of those things.” “What the FUCK do you think I am fighting for?” “I think you’re fighting for the sake of FIGHTING! Because it’s the only state in which you can function! The only way you can keep that voice in your head from driving you mad!” “What are you talking about? What voice?” “The one telling you to be ashamed of yourself. For having loved him.” And there it is. It all culminates with continued back and forth, showing Thomas squeeze James’s shoulder and lean in. James is confused at first. Hesitant, afraid. But then he leans into it too, and he and Thomas share a very tender kiss as Miranda looks on, knowing in that moment the danger they are heading toward. I love how Thomas reaches up to hold James’s face, and stroke it with his thumb. How hesitantly James reaches forward to hold him, then tightens his grip. Lola and Milena picked up on this very early, and that was really satisfying. Still, you don’t really know until you know, and it’s just this…wonderfully gorgeous stab in the heart. Both tragic and lovely all at once, and even if you suspect this or partly understand Flint’s motivations…actually seeing this just completely changes your perception of him forever. I basically cry through this whole bit every time. “You were told it was shameful. And part of you believed it.” Way back in episode one, I highlighted a specific line said by the captain of the Scarborough ship. He talked about how “shame” was the most important pillar of civilization. Shame has been mentioned quite a few times since then, but after this every time it is mentioned it has a whole other weight to it. And what follows is just…so lovely and sad. Miranda says that what Flint and Thomas shared was “entirely something else” beyond even the love she had for him. I also have to point out how cruel Flint’s words to Miranda feel here. We saw how desperately she tried to warn both him and Thomas, and they didn’t listen to her. So for Flint to blame her for him listening and not “saving” Thomas…is quite cutting, and you can see that it hurts Miranda a lot. But she doesn’t say anything. She just gives him the book. What we saw her looking at in the first flashback of the episode. The book Flint was so angry that she read from to Richard Guthrie. “James, my truest love: know no shame.” We saw that inscription before. But now we know who it was for. This is Thomas’s message for James. Buuuuut of course we can’t end on that tragic note, we have a cliffhanger that I forget is there every time! Vane steps out and attacks Flint (and this actually makes me wonder…how long was he hiding? Did he hear what Miranda and Flint talked about, or did he only recently sneak in?) We’re left with Flint and Vane literally at each other’s throats, and that’s where the episode ends. I can already imagine Lola and Milena’s disbelieving laughter at that ending and the fact that they will have to stop watching lmao. Wow. What an episode. I may still have more to say (somehow!) and I’m very very much looking forward to what everyone else who watched this for the first time has to say as well. Can’t wait for more! This season is flying by.
cosmotron
2024-02-05 02:13:17 +0000 UTCBack in 1715. Jack, Anne, and Max overlook the beach. And all three of them pretty quickly are on the same page, knowing that Flint’s crew must have a big secret to do with the Urca gold. We also see Jack get pulled away by Featherstone, who finally admits the problems that their new crew has. The articles they’ve written up include both Max and Anne as having a share. But Featherstone points out that “isn’t easy to sell to men”. Though it isn’t until we cut to Jack walking back to meet with Anne that we learn the full extent of it: the men would accept giving a share to either Max or Anne, but not both of them. And Jack chose Max. Not Anne. Back in s1, Anne confidently said that Jack would always choose her over anything else. And now we see him not do that. Of course there’s logic to it - once he is able to win the crew over more, he can convince them to allow Anne with them. That anything he earns will be for both of them. But none of that changes how this feels to Anne. All the reasons and logic aside, he is choosing the value Max presents over the value she does. And it definitely hurts to watch, though not as much as it hurts Anne to hear. It’s like the world falls away from her, and she can’t even see anything around her anymore as she stomps away. Back to Billy and Silver. Another great conversation. Silver has really come to understand how to best get things to work on the crew, with one person telling them what they should do and another to say why they should want to do it. Flint and Silver of course filling those roles. And in turn, while they fear Flint and that is part of how he leads, Silver has learned that “liked is just as good as feared” and Randall himself confirms that the crew has come to like Silver. Billy points out that Silver’s choice to stick by Flint could be quite stupid, considering he killed Gates and is believed to have tried to kill Billy. Silver insists that he is different however, because he “doesn’t believe in him”. To a degree that’s true: he’s more removed from Flint than either Gates or Billy were. But he certainly believes in Flint’s capabilities, and that’s not exactly the same thing as “not believing” in him at all. It’s interesting that Billy is entirely disinterested in discussing how he got into the water. He doesn’t just say Flint pushed him or anything like it. Instead he says they should be worried about what pulled him out of the water instead. “We like him too.” Oh Randall, always making a succinct point. It’s enough for Silver to know he can’t just keep Billy here any longer. He has to hope he was convincing enough. We go from there to Eleanor and her father again. We get confirmation that her mom was killed during the Spanish raids, and that adds another layer to Eleanor’s fear (And reminds me of what Max said about her in s1 - that she has lost those who she loves and it terrifies her). But Eleanor uses that fact to get her father to admit something she has always known, even if he never said it out loud: that he left her behind not because of his own grief or anything like that. But because Eleanor wasn’t his son. And…Richard Guthrie doesn’t deny it. Confirms it, even. “I saw no future in which a daughter would have a meaningful part in that.” Wowwwww. What a guy. Though, he tries to follow it up and say that she has proven him wrong. That she has shown herself to be more than capable, that he believes in her and wants to help her. That someday people will tell stories of how she started this. That he is proud of her. It’s…basically everything Eleanor ever hoped to hear from her father. So, surely it must be true? I think even if Eleanor deep down is suspicious, she desperately wants to believe what he is saying. Eleanor also allows Miranda and Flint to use one of her rooms for their conversation. And we also see Miranda has brought something with her.
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2024-02-05 02:13:01 +0000 UTCWe see James speaking with Admiral Hennessey. Trying to make their case for the pardons. It’s such a contrast to earlier in this season, when he was doubtful about all that Thomas hoped to do. Now he believes in it fully, to the point of wanting to inspire it in others as well. “You told me that the measure of a man is the moment he is confronted by himself. By opposing voices in his head, both arguing that they are right, but one has to be wrong. To know the difference, in that moment, that is what makes an officer. What makes a man. Well I see the difference here, sir. I know it.” Hennessey’s face during this…he doesn’t seem moved. The muscles near his mouth twitched, like James reminding him of their closeness was no longer motivating to him. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but it seemed like he was holding back…anger perhaps? Disgust, maybe. It doesn’t really matter. Because he leads James forward into a room where Alfred Hamilton is waiting for them. James never expected this. You can see it in his expression, in every tiny movement. Hennessey says that Hamilton arrived before James. Told him “what you did in his house”. “I would like to defend you. I would like to remind myself that every man his his flaws, his weaknesses that torment him. I would like to help you recover from yours. But not this. It is too profane. It is too loathsome to be dismissed. This is your end.” I’ll be talking about these words again, but god this is a horrible thing to say, and convinces me I wasn’t reading too much into his expression before. Maybe he did think of James like a son. But this “loathsome” thing he has learned about him has changed that. Left him unwilling to defend James. “You thought I wouldn’t hear what you’d done? In my own house?” Fuck Alfred Hamilton. James is discharged from service. Told he has to leave London and “never be seen or heard from again”. He may not have ended up on the gallows, but they are ending his life all the same. Jr nyfb urne gung SHPXVAT PYBPX puvzvat va gur onpxtebhaq. Gurve gvzr unf eha bhg, naq jvyy ntnva. From there we go to Miranda, waiting with a bag packed and a distant but devastated expression. She has clearly been crying for some time. James rushes toward her, asking where Thomas is. But Lord Ashe is there as well, and he explains what happened. Men sent by Alfred Hamilton came. And they took Thomas away. There’s so much desperation in James when he asks where they took him. And Miranda says that he was being committed because of his “uncontrollable grief” over having learned of her affair with James. “Our affair?” James asks, completely confused by this. Because we know Thomas knew and didn’t care. That it could not have been the “affair” between himself and Miranda that caused this. But as Miranda says “that is what the story will be.” The acting in this whole scene is incredible. The way James starts panting, panicking, desperate to do anything to save Thomas no matter how unrealistic it is. That he is “beyond anger”. Miranda when she screams “I AM ENRAGED!” How she barely manages to hold it together to tell James that Thomas made her promise they would take care of each other. Miranda embraces James. But I can’t keep calling him that. Because in this moment you see the change happen. You see him become Flint. Because they aren’t going to Paris or Brussels or anywhere else Peter suggested. We know where they’re going, and who he will become once he’s there. It’s both chilling and incredible at the same time. Again, I cannot praise Toby Stephens enough for his phenomenal performance. He deserved to win every acting award. (Spoilers for the end of S2 only) Xabjvat jung jr xabj ol gur raq bs gur frnfba, frrvat Crgre Nfur urer vafcverf n sreny entr va zr. Gung shpxre unf gur AREIR gb or fvggvat gurer tvivat Zvenaqn jngre naq npgvat yvxr ur'f n tbbq sevraq naq pbzsbeg, oryvrivat Gubznf vf orvat pnegrq bss gbjneq na vasnzbhfyl pehry ubfcvgny va ynetr cneg orpnhfr ur orgenlrq gurz...bu zna. Vg'f uneq gb ernyyl abgvpr uvz orpnhfr bs ubj gentvp gur fprar vf, ohg guvf gvzr nebhaq vg qrsvavgryl uvg zr.
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2024-02-05 02:12:29 +0000 UTCIn 1715 once again, we see Flint finally call a ceasefire. We also see Vane and most of his crew hiding beneath the fort, though he has lost some men already. I like the detail of seeing him order Abigail to be in her cell but that no one is to touch her. It’s a good assurance to the audience that nothing like what we saw in S1 with Max is going to be happening here. “The only way to beat it…is to cut off its head.” What a line. From there we go to Richard Guthrie, doing his best to convince Eleanor he’s not a lying piece of shit. “I have spent a lifetime exposed to your self-serving lies. They’re the manure from which I sprouted.” Wow, I can’t believe Eleanor just killed her dad like that. And his expression afterward says her insult was a direct hit lmao. “You know how to keep a secret between three men?” “What, shoot two of them?” lol I love that exchange, even though I’m not big on Hornigold as a character. That’s not really what this scene is for anyway. Because right then Flint sees Miranda waiting for him. “I understand why you need that fort. I understand why you need that gold. I understand why you need this island. I understand it all because I was there the day our lives ended and all of this began. But I have been devoted to you since that day. I have been loyal and protective and *fucking* committed to you since that day! And I am asking you to come with me so that I can save your life.” I love that whole speech so much. In the past we saw Miranda try to express her fears and try to save both James and Thomas. Now here she insists more than ever that she understands everything and that Flint *must* listen to her. As if to underscore that point, we go into another flashback, to a time when he didn’t listen to her.
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2024-02-05 02:12:03 +0000 UTCwhy did i never know you were irish??
LM Reactions
2024-02-05 02:07:39 +0000 UTCMiranda is riding out toward the beach, and passes by a mother cradling her child and sobbing. It’s only as she passes by Miranda - seeming unable to hear Miranda saying she can help - that we see that child is gravely wounded and maybe already dead. Having just seen children playing in Miranda’s house in a previous episode, I think that hits her even harder than it already would have, and it leaves her more determined to ride out and meet Flint, to stop him. Which brings us back into another flashback, another time when Miranda tried to convince him to stop. I love what she says here. How she loves Thomas for his goodness, for being so inspiring in trying to do that right thing and see the world how it should be. How in turn she loves James for “seeing the world how it is”, and how to navigate that truth for his own purposes. “Men like Thomas need men like you. To protect them from the world.” It seems that men like James also need men like Thomas in turn. To keep their feet on the ground and that world from spinning off its axis. “What’s been going on in this house isn’t just some affair.” That’s true. It’s about the political side of it as well. Their desire to change the world. And wasn’t it James who said that it was “everyone else” who prevented such things from happening? James asks since when has Miranda cared about rumors, but Miranda isn’t afraid of scandal. She is afraid of the very real danger ahead. “They hang men for this.” James tries to say that she’s being naive to think that would happen, but she puts her foot down and insists that the political motive would be more than enough. And Alfred Hamilton has that political motive. He does not want these pardons to happen, and will do whatever he can to stop it. “When he finds out what has been going on in this house he will use it to ruin us!” Miranda sees the danger so clearly. She asks why James wants to keep doing this for “the sake of the pirates of Nassau”, but his answer shows it is instead for their sake. The three of them. Thomas, Miranda, and himself could go there. Start new lives in Nassau. Make it a place where they could be happy together. “I’ve known Admiral Hennessey since I was a boy. He’s the closest thing I have to a father.” Woof. Both Thomas and James are ultimately betrayed by their fathers here, aren’t they? Except while Thomas could have expected it of his own…James never expected it of his.
cosmotron
2024-02-05 01:48:33 +0000 UTCI know what I’m watching at work tomorrow
My Toasty Toast
2024-02-05 01:34:25 +0000 UTCTime for another flashback, again seeming to be from Miranda’s point of view, or at least something that she is thinking about. James has returned! Watching Thomas’s face as James walks in…hurts my heart. There’s so much in his expression. Though that’s only the focus for a moment, as James informs them of what has occurred in Nassau. That there is no longer any governor there. That a certain pirate captain apparently owed a bribe to the governor. And when the governor demanded the bribe and refused to leave as the captain told him to…members of his crew dragged the governor’s wife and child out into the street and slit their throats. Ashe immediately recognizes this is going to be a huge problem in parliament, though Thomas correctly points out that they should not punish all of the pirates for the actions of a select few. And James in turn suggests that the Navy may still be able to help them, if he can convince them to do so. Thomas is of course down for this plan, not willing to be turned away from their dreams for Nassau, but then Miranda jumps in again. Asks to speak to James privately. “It’s clear to me now that what lies ahead is the road to ruin.” God. She really saw that danger coming. Throughout this episode we hear thunder rumbling, and it’s like Miranda was the only one that could tell the storm was inevitably going to crash over them. And she tried so so hard to warn both James and Thomas. But they couldn’t see what she did. They saw their dream, and each other, and that was it. In 1715, Nassau continues to be assaulted by canonfire. Jack is trying to design his own flag for his new ship with the help of a prostitute named Charlotte. Their exchange makes me laugh every time: Jack’s response to it and the way she slowly grabs/crumples up the paper is so great. This is our proper introduction to Featherstone as well! He’s the navigator Idelle (thanks to Max) convinced to bring his men over to Jack’s crew. Ur'f nabgure terng fvqr punenpgre. Naq uvz naq Vqryyr ner irel fjrrg. I also like the little moment between Jack and Anne, where she admits that she has no right to feel upset if he and Max shared a moment. “We’ll get through it,” She says. “We always do, don’t we?” Jack smiles in response, and it feels good, though also not quite resolved.
cosmotron
2024-02-05 01:34:19 +0000 UTCknew you were irish but yeah, the accent confirms it lol i'm spent after a shitty day so i'm not even watching the edited of the girls but i'll definitely watch this tomorrow
sand_fl
2024-02-05 01:32:13 +0000 UTCWas I staying awake waiting for this? No....... (narrator: she said as a liar)
MelGoethals
2024-02-05 01:26:46 +0000 UTCTime to deep dive into the episode! We start with Jack, Anne, and Max having a rather good time. Including a moment where Max and Jack actually connect during sex, something that seems to take all of them by surprise. Was this a moment of genuine connection, or was it Max trying to endear herself more to Jack? Without being in her head, we can’t know for certain. Especially after last episode, where we learned just how good she is at seduction. Of course, there’s also the option that it’s a bit of both, and that tends to be what I lean toward. Max, like many characters, is not just one thing. I think it’s very possible that in the moment, after what seemed to be the three of them having sex periodically throughout the night, she felt attraction to Jack that she wouldn’t have otherwise. We didn’t get a long panning shot of her considering what to do before she did it: it very much comes off like she had the desire in that moment to include Jack more in her own sexual pleasure. The fact that it might endear Jack to her a little more could be a bonus, but it also comes with the possibility of upsetting the balance of things between the three of them, and Anne’s reaction indicates such. “It would appear we lost track of time.” lol you guys sure did. But you were all rather distracted. Anyway, we go from Flint beginning to fire the Man of War’s canons at the island, into a flashback that seems to be from Miranda’s point of view this time, not Flint’s. She’s looking at an inscription in a book. One that we will talk a lot more about later. But knowing what we do learn later…she seems to be thinking about it. What it could mean for them. And she makes it clear throughout the episode that she knows the danger that is coming for them, and that she has been thinking about it for some time. It’s what leads to the choice she tries to make next: telling Thomas that she is going to leave for a while. I think it’s sweet that when she tries to say she would be a liability, Thomas is confused at the very notion, wondering how she could ever be that. And she tells him that James’s ship has arrived back from Nassau, and the words make Thomas stop in his tracks. You can see his breathing change: rewatching it, it’s hard to see it as anything other than clear excitement to hear that James has returned. This of course is also the scene where it’s made completely clear that Thomas knows that James and Miranda have sex, and isn’t bothered by that fact or the rumors about it. But that’s not what is concerning Miranda either: that the rumors about her and James will invite scrutiny, and that could lead to something else. To them “discovering something far more damaging”. It’s quite a contrast to her previous unconcern about the rumors. Something changed between whens she first expressed her lack of fear, to now, and by the end of the episode we know what those changes were. The first of which is Thomas’s plans for Nassau, specifically the pardons. There is a political motive involved now, and that changes everything, and gives people more of an excuse to find and exploit fault in Thomas. More on that later though. We go back to Nassau, regularly hearing the sound of canonfire, as Silver tries to convince Billy that he should still follow Flint. Despite…y’know, murdering Gates. I think it’s interesting that Silver does what we have seen many other characters do in this show: manipulate with the truth. He’s right that Flint killing Gates wasn’t something he did lightly, and that doing so was extremely painful to him. He’s convinced in his belief that Flint is the best person to help them retrieve the Urca gold. And he isn’t trying to lie to Billy about any of it, but instead use that truth to try and get the outcome he wants. Well, that’s not the only thing he’s doing. He also has Billy chained up to physically prevent him from talking to anyone else on the crew. “Until I know what you’re going to say to the men, I can’t let you say anything to them.”
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2024-02-05 01:26:40 +0000 UTC2x05 First Impressions. Review starts at 4:52 https://youtu.be/ZYfLOy9iX6I?si=cIorRrRqMGCrtl7Z Also Wanda if you're reading, you gonna watch the whole thing and tell me what I got wrong NOW?! HUH?!?! 😂😂😂
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-05 01:20:55 +0000 UTCYusssss🙏🔥
MOB12
2024-02-05 01:20:24 +0000 UTC
