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I totally get where they're coming from. If you think about it Lola and Milena think very similar to Mito. They keep saying my "sweetest child" "my boys". So it's natural they are protective of their children. Also, they don't know the backstory of Ging yet, that's why they react that way.

Rex Tan

Yes, not 100% projection definitely. Art is also about selling a message and you have to trick the audience so to speak into believing that said message conforms to their worldview whatever it may be. Movies for instance that offer no room for interpretation and are crystal clear with the messaging are seen as preachy and dull by everyone. The publishers made Isayama stay away from Twitter when during season 3 people started realizing that Eren Yeager is literally Adolf Hitler. Not a metaphor for him, but the same exact person isekai'd in a fantasy setting. His tweets only made it more obvious. Predicting Eren's actions is as easy as asking "What would Hitler do?". I remember watching RT TV and seeing one of them realize this, as well as completely agreeing with the Yeagerists. Then slowly the rest in the room started agreeing as well. Anime is an incredibly powerful medium. It makes perfect sense why a character based on the world's most infamous historical figure has his design inspired by someone called Lucifer who also genocides people for no good reason.

Orr Malus

I see where you're coming from. Personally I think sketches often look better than finished work because the many passes you make on the sketch let the viewer see it the way they like best. Of course I'll bring my own opinions and biases to any artwork I view but that doesn't mean my interpretation is 100% projection. There are artworks that leave everything 100% up to the viewer but HH isn't that. You say Togashi simplified his work, I'd agree with that. But doesn't that go against your point? How could he simplify what isn't there? I don't see how DBZ being more popular proves your point though. But you saying Togashi learned from DBZ goes towards mine. He gave his villains depth.

Shivering King Banana

"I don't even understand your argument, that I'm just projecting? This show is one of the most highly regarded animes and everyone is just projecting about it? It's not as if I'm the only one that thinks this show is extremely deep." You pretty much got it. I'm a visual artist and when I made illustrations for people I started off with a simple sketch and after they approved of it I would start working on the finished product. Without fail the reaction people had towards my sketch was far greater than the reaction they had towards the finished drawing. They would say stuff like "amazing, incredible, great" when they saw the sketch, then they would say stuff like "good, nice, well done" when they saw the rendered drawing. I dug around and discovered this was something that all artists experienced. To cut to the chase, turns out all people want to feel like a participant in whatever entertainment they're consuming. The more stuff an artist puts into their work the less room there is for audience participation. Less = more. Art that shows just how clever the artist is is masturbatory. Art that shows how clever the audience is is a masterpiece. I'm not saying it's a bad thing you're projecting, I'm saying this is exactly the effect artists like Togashi are looking for. "If your logic made and sense every anime and cartoon would have the fanbase HH has but they don't. Only the good ones that put things into the show do." That doesn't follow because not everyone simplified their own work to the same level Togashi did. "Even other popular animes like DBZ don't have discussions about characters like this." I agree with you, DBZ is way more simplistic than HxH. So considering the fact that HxH doesn't even come close to the popularity of DBZ, doesn't this kinda prove my point? Also there's the little problem of DBZ preceding HxH and all the nods HxH does to DBZ especially in the CA. Maybe Togashi learned a thing or two from DBZ?

Orr Malus

I thought we argued about Gon and Chrollo before but it must have been someone else. Just because the name is a simple metaphor doesn't make the characters actions any less deep. I don't even understand your argument, that I'm just projecting? This show is one of the most highly regarded animes and everyone is just projecting about it? It's not as if I'm the only one that thinks this show is extremely deep. If your logic made and sense every anime and cartoon would have the fanbase HH has but they don't. Only the good ones that put things into the show do. Even other popular animes like DBZ don't have discussions about characters like this. Because the writer didn't put anything with this much depth in. That's the type of show where the villains are nothing more than villains and have no motivation other than being evil so the good guys have someone to beat up without looking like psychos who just like to fight. That's one of the biggest tropes of anime that this show takes and flips on it's head. The excuse of justified violence. Although I guess you're gonna say that HH doesn't actually subvert expectations and it's just me projecting onto the show. Ridiculous.

Shivering King Banana

"What I don't understand is how do you justify Gon's actions in the CA arc? It's been awhile since we had that conversation but that's how you felt right? " ??? I don't think I've ever talked to anyone about Gon's motivations or Gon in general in my entire life. "And why do you ignore all the deep metaphors about Lucifer being a fallen angel?" naming a character literally "Lucilfer" = deep metaphor Uhm... (˘・_・˘) "The characters are so much more interesting if you actually try to understand them instead of just blowing them off like some basic villain of the week." You're projecting your own ideas/ideals onto a one dimensional cartoon character. This is not a criticism, this is a feature of anime/manga. It's a phenomenon understood very well by the creators and they use it to their advantage. This is why the Japanese stick so much to the 2D medium. Because of the simplicity of what's in front of them, the audience's brains fill in the blanks which in turn leads to a greater level of audience participation. You can't turn off the part of your mind which fills in the blanks btw, it's just how the brain works. So even if you're cognizant of it you'll still project no matter what. This is what fascinates me most about anime.

Orr Malus

If you're gonna do something evil why half ass it? Kurta Eyes become more valuable the more emotion they have. They already decided to get the eyes, no reason not to go all out and get the most money for them that they can. Not saying it's justified but they already crossed the line miles ago. What I don't understand is how do you justify Gon's actions in the CA arc? It's been awhile since we had that conversation but that's how you felt right? What Gon does in the CA arc is motivated by the same thing that motivated Chrollo. And why do you ignore all the deep metaphors about Lucifer being a fallen angel? That's the point of making his name so similar. Saying his name sounds like Lucifer so he's evil is such basic logic for a show that rises so far above that. The characters are so much more interesting if you actually try to understand them instead of just blowing them off like some basic villain of the week. When Lucifer betrayed God he felt he was just, Chrollo feels he is just, Gon feels he is just. I know you hate parallels but it's so obviously there.

Shivering King Banana

https://i.imgflip.com/7xhpp4.jpg You're correct about Hisoka being pure evil as well with the caveat that Togashi likes Hisoka more than Chrollo. This is why he's never shown to kill innocent people.

Orr Malus

You confuse trying to understand his character with justifying his actions. All his evil deeds come from wanting to do something good for those who are close to him. Gon will go through a similar journey. And while Chrollo is evil, Hisoka is the embodiment of pure evil. He has no love for anyone and lives only for himself. He probably doesn't have the body count Chrollo does but that's just because he's picky.

Shivering King Banana

People defend Chrollo when Togashi also made it clear that he's the embodiment of pure evil. The fanbase's mental gymnastics are part of the fun of HxH.

Orr Malus

Fighting is bad, dangerous and wrong though? Just because the world we're shown through Gon's perspective is an extremely perilous one, doesn't mean the whole HxH world is. From what we can tell civilians live normal lives for the most part, very comparable to our own. Ging did everything knowing it would encourage his son to follow the same path he did, placing Gon in countless life threatening situations. People have every right to call him a bad dad for that.

Kya Colosseum

Everyone knows Ging is a deadbeat dad but Togashi needed to make Ging a bad father to create a plot for Gon's Journey as a Hunter, I also find it weird that in the Manga and the 1999 adaptation Aunt Mito told Gon "Gon I'm sorry I lied Ging never abandoned you, i won custody of you in court and took you from him" that part was never added to the 2011 adaption which I find strange.

JT

I think his defenders are focusing on him as a person rather than as a father.

Shivering King Banana

It's funny how many people defend Ging when the anime/manga couldn't be clearer that he's a shitty dad. It's not subtle

ntn

How is Ging putting Gon in any more danger than he would be in by just existing? They live in a world where nen exists and if he wasn't a hunter he'd figure nen out in a different way ( he had already started learning in the woods by himself ) And if he didn't figure out nen he'd be completely defenseless against the first nen user he encountered, and it would be impossible to not encounter one unless you just lived an extremely sheltered and boring life. If LM had it their way Gon would work at a convenience store on whale island until a ripe old age, because fighting is bad and dangerous and wrong. Its a lot more interesting to think about the story in terms of the world that the story is set in, not with current day western ideals.

stay

What is wrong with sexually ambiguous people dressed up as clowns or jesters? Anyone sexually ambiguous who dresses up like a clown or jester sounds like someone I wanna hang around with.

Billy Overlord

How do you feel about liars?

Shivering King Banana

Whatever you do in life please avoid sexually ambiguous people dressed up as clowns or jesters.

Orr Malus

the chosen one, yes it's a end of anime spoiler

lumine

I’m 2/3 into the ca is this a spoiler for me

Cole

I do think about how Gon would've fared if he just met Ging right after learning nen [SPOILER][BASE64encoding] bGlrZSwgSSdtIG5vdCBzdXJlIGJ1dCBJIHRoaW5rIGlmIEdpbmcgc2FpZCB3aGF0IGhlIHNhaWQgdG8gR29uIHBvc3QgQ0EgZWFybGllciwgR29uIG1pZ2h0J3ZlIGFjdGVkIGRpZmZlcmVudGx5IGR1cmluZyBDQQ== [SPOILER][BASE64encoding]

lumine

It's fun seeing the hate you guys have for Ging, mostly because I just can't understand it. I think it's cause I never had a dad in my life, and it has literally never bothered me at all. I just can't empathize with it, I guess.

Billy Overlord

In real life ging would be 1000% worse but in the anime I feel like because of who Ging is and him leaving gon in the conditions he did it was probably pretty likely gon ends up as how gon ended up and ging probably knew that.

Cole

Have you ever seen a father who knows who his kid will be when he's still a baby? Those people are insufferable. Ging was right in this case, and there's probably some anime reason going on with Gon. But it in the real world, "Knowing" your kid without getting to know him is shitty.

Shivering King Banana

Uh, yeah lol the Troupe are scum. You can like them as characters and still admit that.

Lil Don075

Obviously he’s a bad father though I just don’t think he’s as bad as the girls are portraying him as.

Cole

He probably knew Gon would become the type of person Gon is just because he’s his kid. So him making a path for a perfect Hunter to follow is in his mind making a path Gon will be able to follow. I’ve only seen a bit of CA though so I could just be wrong.

Cole

They wouldn't really have to think about stuff like that if everyone didn't spoil how every arc would go and what characters would be involved.

stay

Gon and Ging are the same.

Lil Don075

"They have phones! They can talk to each other!" Ah.

lumine

The clues he left for Gon are clues only a strong hunter could follow. If Gon wasn't interested in being a hunter he'd never meet Ging. Even worse, if Gon was a mediocre hunter he would die. Ging didn't leave clues for his son to follow, Ging left clues for a good hunter to follow. He has no interest in meeting his son, but if Gon ends up being good hunter he'd like to meet him.

Shivering King Banana

Idk there are some shitty things he does. I can think of a couple manga moments as well where we see more than the show and certain character say more than the show that also support this

Michael Cannon

He's like a boar :)

Shivering King Banana

In the grand scheme of things, remember that this is a fictional story crafted by Togashi. If you harbor such intense hatred for a fictional character, then that's unfortunate, as it might diminish your overall enjoyment of the series. After all, the primary essence of the story revolves around Gon's journey to reunite with his father.

JT

Thought they said at the beginning of this or the previous one that they were starting a binge Edited just in case

space colon

"the best reacting channel that has ever reacted to this series" Filmbuff is now reacting to HxH as well, I think he will be a strong contender :)

sonic

Kinda weird to say information that will be revealed in the next episode. I do hope they're ahead a bit

sonic

Ging isn’t even that bad. The path he layed out for Gon is Gon’s ideal path anyways.

the chosen one

Leorio is so interesting because he is impulsive and rash and puts his heart on his sleeve, but his heart is so pure. Funny combination

Karabo

Mmh I don't know tbh, I don't remember it. I believe they do it just if they can't stream for some days

Yū Nishinoya

I thought they said they’d had just started watching this batch of episodes?

space colon

I hadn’t read that Togashi interview, interesting. I’ve heard similar sentiments from Oda and Inoue about parents I think the story is interesting because of the constant contradictions I feel contradictions define most good characters, a lot of HxH characters have a blindspot in their morals or beliefs or are outright hypocritical. Love everything Zepile had to say about Gon

space colon

@Heavenly R appreciate you highlighting that it may be spoilery, am editing now 🙏

space colon

@space They both have their flaws, but I can't judge their situations, and I won't discuss my own, which isn't perfect either. I can't agree with someone who dislikes one but admires the Phantom Troupe; that just doesn't make sense to me, and Also Togashi said in an interview once that he had no choice but to make Ging a bad dad, since a good dad would never let his son go to the hunter exams in the first place, thus ruining the whole plot. He said parents usually hold their children back from doing dangerous stuff, so he refrains from using a lot of parents in his stories, So yes he's a shitty dad but also the Troupe are really bad, so in my opinion you can't support neither, and it's ironic that a 12yr old Gon can call the Troupe out for killing people easily and destroying lives without a 2nd thought and then crying for Uvogin but he can't call Ging out for being a shitty father.

JT

@Ikky I feel like you’re coming from a place of pure logical utilitarianism with no room for emotion Which situation do you think your average person can relate to? A father who not only doesn’t show love to his son but makes it so he can only ever contact him if he goes down a specific life path Or A group of people who Murder families, torture and steal? I think it’s also important to note that no one reading the story expects the Phantom Troupe to not be villains People expect a father to be there for their child

space colon

@HgPt In a fictional world with superpowers an audience is gonna perceive characters who murder hordes of people differently than characters who experience things they connect to People can’t relate to a story about a super powered band of thieves running around stealing and murdering and torturing, that’s too abstract Ging and Gon’s dynamic is something so many people can relate to or connect with emotionally Ging didn’t have to leave him in the woods for it to be bad that he was never there for him and had no way to contact him ever Gon should be able to choose his own life path, saying “this is the best way to live his life” is unfair to his agency

space colon

I hear what you’re saying and appreciate you trying to bring the world into a meta perspective I think he is smart and mature and does adult things because he has the skill and intelligence to but emotionally he’s still a child (gets more complicated than that with lots of subversions of classic shonen tropes but don’t wanna spoil) It’s not us trying to say “also he’s a kid”. The manga is constantly highlighting the fact that him and Killua are children and that their relationships with others have impacted them emotionally in different ways. They do these adult things yeah and at the same time they still behave like goofy kids and do things kids do

space colon

I just don't understand the Ging HATE, I could understand calling him a bad father and he's a jerk but so far he's been called a cruel sociopath, psychopath, narcissist, I think they said they want to shoot him this episode. The phantom troupe killed and tortured men, women and children and they're like aww can't wait to see them again. But I've resigned myself that if you love Ging despite him being an asshole it's only gonna get worse from here lol

HeavenlyR

I agree with the second point but the first has always been iffy to me whenever someone pointed that out. He's 12 only biologically. he's been doing adult things ever since the beginning, he shows incredible maturity in many aspects, he has a licence that basically lets him do things not even an adult is allowed to do... he's fully mature and he's going through an adult voyage and experience. he KNOWS what's best for him probably more than me. he's playful and naive but he's smarter and more mature than most adults. we can't support him going through a life threatening journey after the other but then when it's convenient say "he's just a kid". in that world and in that contest he might as well be a grown up, he's only a kid compared to our world

DelgAlessio

oh trust me, I'm not even in the slightest saying that Ging is good. I was trying to put things into prospective by looking through the only point of view that should matter and it is Gon's. At the end of the day if he doesn't mind and he seems happy about it is cut Ging some slack. of he's a bad father then Gon is a bad son and they're a good pair lmao

DelgAlessio

@HgPt They appear to overlook the fact that the Phantom Troupe murders indiscriminately, even children. I'm certain Kurapika wasn't the sole child from the Kurta clan. So, what's worse: a group that kills anyone, even children, for money or treasures, or a father who decided not to raise his child but instead provided a nurturing environment for the child to make their own choices? It doesn't seem too hard to determine who the better person is.

JT

believe me if is his mom. they r not gonna hate her because she's a (women) i have been watch them if the bad characters is men they gonna hate them but if the bad characters is women's they don't hat them and they gonna find Excuse for them 😂

phantom rouge

Saying what they are going to see in the next episode is a spoiler, I think they didn't watch it yet

Yū Nishinoya

@space1999 you are ignoring the fact that he didn't leave him in the woods, he left Gon with his grandmother and his aunt in the same place where he grew up and became strong, in a healthy and safe environment. And the life path he designed for him is the best way to live his life, you are acting like the fact that Gon has to risk his life matters but he doesn't. Gon wanted to become an hunter, Ging didn't push him to do it...if Gon will find Ging, will he stop travelling and risking his life? Anyway murdering and torturing people is way worse or are you saying Ging is not a fictional character? 🤔

Yū Nishinoya

If you hate Ging then you must really hate the Phantom Troupe since they're cold blooded murderers who kill anyone for there needs.

JT

@Julius I think there’s a huge difference between fictional characters using there super powers to murder and torture people And a father leaving his kid with no way to contact him unless he followed a specific life path and did elaborate things to hunt him down risking both death and injury

space colon

The old woman appreciated his heart as well. He's unchanged on that front

Isaac

Melody telling Leorio he has the warmest heartbeat was the most wholesome thing ever. Remember when he wanted to beat up that old lady in the hunter exam arc? lol he's come so far

HenryM

Gon: "Does it matter if you're dead?" He's so innocent the thought of killing others to steal their cards didn't even cross his mind.

Shivering King Banana

I think you are thinking about it way too hard, strength or being aliens has nothing to do with feelings, Ging is undoubtedly a selfish person and he even admits it in the recorder episode, let's not insult Togashi writing by thinking everyone is either a good person or bad

Dario Campos

I don't hate him at all. I find him very interesting, actually.

Kizaru

Kurapika got cucked by Leorio. He will never recover from this.

Orr Malus

Girls will you read manga after anime finish? And would you do it recording videos? I love watching you

RoketStar

It makes no sense that they hate Ging but like the Phantom troupe and give them the benefit of the doubt. So far everyone that’s talked about Ging had all nice things to say. Every one that’s talked about the Troupes had bad things to say.

Jay

I agree with you that it is a different world and Gon has different values than most people Two things about Gon: 1) He’s 12 years old (doesn’t know what’s best for him) 2) He has devoted his life (risking death and injury repeatedly) to finding Ging and he wants to know what was so important for Ging to not be in his life At the same time Ging left Gon with no way to contact him, never tried to contact him, and Gon would never have been able to see the tape AT ALL if he didn’t learn Nen If Gon never wanted to be a Hunter or learn Nen he NEVER would have been able to contact Ging

space colon

This arc is basically Yu Gi Oh with a touch of JRPG games. Idk if dragon quest was in inspiration for this arc but I can tell the author is definitely a gamer lol

Jack SV

Good luck with that…I dont really see that happening but it could be :)

Monica Gomez

No, I do not. Actually I think he is receiving the Wing treatment from them, I adore Ging and hope they'll change their minds about him

Yū Nishinoya

Truth 🙏🙏 Even if he’s a great character

space colon

Believe me we all HATE gin

Monica Gomez

I still wish they could post at least 3 episodes per week. with 2 it takes too long to move through the show.

Max__

I don't think it's entirely fair to see Gon and Ging's relationship by seeing them through normal people's expectations or through what would be a bad parent for US. for better or for worse, and no matter how you try to deny it, Gon is a weirdo just like Ging. He's special, one of a kind and he's on a different wavelenght from everyone else. Judging Ging because he's not being a traditional father is like Judging an alien race that lives 10x times more than us and accusing to abandon their child for 50 years, we are seeing it through the wrong point of view. Gon is a superhuman with superpower following his passion and going through an adventure of his own will without a single drop of resentment towards a father figure he's fascinated by but not angry at. we can't judge him as a normal 12 years old child and we can't judge Ging as a normal father. They are A DIFFERENT SPECIES from us, all we have to say is seeing Gon's feeling and respect them. is he ok with this? yes? then nothing else matters. I Love Lola's overly protective sentiment towards Gon and I have fun seeing her despise Ging through this show, so this isn't a critique on what I think is the best reacting channel that has ever reacted to this series, this is more of a thought exercise that I'd like to share since I'm seeing the character of Ging being a bit misunderstood by having this hatred lenses everytime scenes with him or about him appears. I'm not advocating for Fathers to abandon their kids, I'm just saying that they're on a different level from us. this is, in some way, a giant father/son experience on a massive 100x times bigger scale than what we normal people would be comfortable with. it's dangerous, it's big, it's long, it's dangerous! but it's what Gon (I repeat myself, a superhuman weird little superpowered kid) needs to grow. let's respect Gon's feeling by understand who he is and what he wants, and who he does and does not resent!

DelgAlessio

Don't worry about the rules! No one understands it from the get go. Greed Island is very fun and important!

David Salazar

Damn, this arc is sooo much fun. Listening to the soundtracks bring me so many good memories. Always when I watch this arc I feel like a kid again playing a really fun video game by myself.

Max__

Greed Island arc is so much fun, can’t wait to watch along with you guys.

Jay

So true 💀 That look he gives Gon is such a loving Dad look too https://imgur.com/a/TQwv29G

space colon

Leorio reading the contract reminds me of getting my parents to sign my field trip permission slip as a kid

Isaac

I was one of people asking for more episodes per week but now I'm glad that you react just to 2 episodes, I will miss this when it'll end

Yū Nishinoya

Such an adorable episode… Melody‘s words to Leerio, his loving look at Gon, Gon and Killua falling asleep against each other 💀💀 The rules are a lot but all you really need to know is that everyone has cards that have specific effects (cards can’t hurt others), there are a variety of different ways to acquire cards and there is a set number of each card

space colon

Sad it ended phantom troupe arc but looking forward to chimera arc

RoketStar

Them worried about how much of Kurapika they're going to see moving forward is heartwarming and hilarious.

kevinup


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