The Expanse 5x07 Full Reaction
Added 2022-08-19 11:36:53 +0000 UTC
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Cyn was an interesting character. He is shown to have compassion, feels protective over Naomi and feels remorse over how she was treated and is continuing to be treated. He will stand up to Marco on that matter. However he clearly believes strongly in Marco's cause, just like millions of other ordinary Belters. Marco is charismatic and very good at explaining why his actions are justified and the anger people like Cyn feel towards the inners is certainly justified. Cyn doesn't feel any remorse for the millions killed on Earth by the asteriod strikes likely because he has incorrect views about inners, imagining them all to be living comfortable lives at Belters' expenses and having never really met an inner. Many Earthers have similar views about Belters and certainly it was common on Earth for people to feel no sympathy for the Belter plight or remorse for Belter's killed by their government's actions. He never wavers from this conviction even and to him, saving Naomi would require her to come around to the same conviction. But you can understand why, and why not everyone who surrounds Marco is a monster.
Will McAllister
2022-08-31 16:07:40 +0000 UTCThat shocked mouth open face at the end :D
Phil Rademacher
2022-08-23 03:02:43 +0000 UTCPersonally I find book-Holden pretty dull and uninteresting, while show-Holden is easily one of my top 5 characters in the entire series. I find his characterization in the show much more interesting than in the books. To each their own. Because I do agree with your last point, that both are different types of characters. That's pretty much the case for every character in the book vs show, (some more than others, of course). One of the most interesting aspects of the TV adaption to me is how true to books it is overall, while still diverging in a lot of key ways. It allows the show to stand on its own two feet, in a way that most adaptions are unable to. It'd be nice if more adaptions could crack that code.
Varun Laks
2022-08-20 22:31:00 +0000 UTCChristopher: I find TV Holden incredibly wooden and uninteresting. Perhaps if I experienced the show first I wouldn't feel that way. But in any case I think book Holden is a different type of character.
Podey Williams
2022-08-20 18:47:39 +0000 UTCHey Nonman, my comment with the unintentional spoiler is gone but, as you repeated it, you'll need to delete yours too.
Podey Williams
2022-08-20 18:46:14 +0000 UTCPaul Williams: Delete this. It is not fair to L&M.
Christopher Alexander
2022-08-20 15:24:08 +0000 UTCTV Holden is NOT one-dimensional. At this point in the story he's already on his third personality shift.
Christopher Alexander
2022-08-20 15:23:10 +0000 UTCDonβt tell them anything. Theyβve both said repeatedly that they would like to read the books. Granted, one wants to do it because of Bobbi and the other because of Amos, to see what the book versions are like, but this is a safe space, we donβt judge about simping here π€£
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2022-08-20 07:36:57 +0000 UTCYou're better than that. It's not our life. It's not our place.
Kevin McDonough
2022-08-20 05:41:00 +0000 UTCI only wish I could tell you about the last three books - who does what, who lives, who dies, who wins, who rules, who is the last person standing. Maybe after you watch season 6 - unless you plan to read the novels and the novellas. Season 5 is definitely one of my favorite seasons.
Stuart Weiss
2022-08-20 00:01:38 +0000 UTCI actually watch both the reaction and the discussion - these ladies are wonderful.
Stuart Weiss
2022-08-19 23:52:11 +0000 UTCYup she was awesome . I think she deserved at least an Emmy nomination for her role . To bad she didn't get it .
Sone
2022-08-19 22:31:38 +0000 UTCLooking forward to the youtube edit and your discussion. The episode is so intense it is hard to react to but great to talk about.
FatPaddySlim
2022-08-19 22:26:51 +0000 UTCIn the book Nemesis Games (Book 5) this scene is written so well, it gave me chills reading it let alone seeing it depicted on screen. Book readers were waiting a long time for this scene to be put to screen and our wait was definitely worth it. Dom Tipper acted the hell out of this episode (and the rest of the season 5 as well!) and I choke up every time I see her talk to Filip also. "Walking away is the only choice anyone ever has." Love Dom!!
DrEEsky
2022-08-19 21:56:53 +0000 UTCI think we've all been waiting for this one :)
ParanoidGary
2022-08-19 20:56:18 +0000 UTC@Ryan Hughes You are right, of course. Unconsciousness in space I had simply equated with certain death. @Christophe Schannes Yes. The burst veins are also a very nice feature. As I said, the blood becomes gaseous and also takes up more and more space due to the falling pressure in the body, causing thin veins like in eyes and co to burst first. The radiation burn could have been mentioned. These are however in this short period also rather painful than deadly. Oh yeah, and Cyn is a pretty good example how not to do it. You can really see how the gases in his body abruptly rip his lungs and organs apart.
Robert H.
2022-08-19 20:12:12 +0000 UTCI love the little details they put in that scene, like her eye fluid evaporating, eye blood vessels rupturing, seeing radiation burn on her face even after so short a time, just everything. I don't know if this would actually be possible but they definitely put thought into it and with the sci-fi hyper-oxygenated blood it's just believable enough. Also the reaction to that scene shows a lot of misconceptions still lingering around among many people what hard vacuum would actually do to a person, with a lot of people thinking of scenes like in Total Recall or something.
Christophe
2022-08-19 19:38:05 +0000 UTCSo-so in S1 IMO, but this was also her first gig, so fair enough. Def one of my favorite by the end.
Kevin McDonough
2022-08-19 19:34:52 +0000 UTC>" The body is therefore only able to survive for a very short time (15 seconds). " You'd lose consciousness, not die within 15 seconds.
Ryan Hughes
2022-08-19 19:33:19 +0000 UTCOyedeng means "goodbye" in Belter. :)
Ryan Hughes
2022-08-19 19:29:08 +0000 UTCI think the show accepted that Jasai-Chase Owens looks much older than Filip in the books and so aged up the character somewhat accordingly. Obviously he doesn't look 15, he definitely looks old enough to shave. But I don't think they ever come out and definitively tell us how old he's supposed to be in the show.
Christophe
2022-08-19 19:03:06 +0000 UTCeasy on the eyes too
Dario
2022-08-19 19:00:06 +0000 UTCNaomi is one of the biggest badasses in the history of scifi, because she doesnt wait around hoping someone will save her. No matter the depth of hell she is in, she looks for a way out, and she is brilliant enough to find ways.
Ken Hendel
2022-08-19 18:38:54 +0000 UTCDominique Tipper is an absolute maelstrom of talent
Joe Tucker
2022-08-19 17:58:43 +0000 UTCI love this scene with Naomi because it addresses a misunderstanding many have about space: What happens when you're in space without a spacesuit? First, you have to realize that space is nothing but empty (cold) space, without pressure. Means: If you leave your oxygen pressure chamber, the first thing you experience is a pressure drop. From about 1 bar (atmospheric pressure is simulated in space ships) the pressure drops to 0 bar. This pressure change of 1 bar is about the same as the pressure change you would feel if you suddenly came to the surface from 10 meters below the surface in water. This can be survived, but there is a lot to keep in mind: Volume under stronger pressure is compressed. If the pressure is reduced, the volume increases. If Naomi were to hold the air in her lungs, the volume would increase rapidly and greatly, causing her lungs to burst. She must therefore exhale when she opens the airlock. But this causes further problems: oxygen is transported in the blood, which also expands. Through a reverse osmosis process, oxygen now leaves the body from the blood via the lungs because of the empty lungs. The body is therefore only able to survive for a very short time (15 seconds). Naomi uses an oxygen-rich liquid for this to give her body another oxygen boost about halfway through. However, the high pressure drop affects not only gases, but also liquids. If you have ever been on high mountains, you may have heard that water starts to boil at 90Β°C because the boiling temperature is lower due to the lower pressure. This becomes completely extreme when you go to zero pressure. Liquids start to evaporate immediately here. Fortunately, our bodies still create a slight pressure through tissues and skin, so blood and internal fluids take a little longer, but especially with the mouth and eyes open, you notice saliva and tears evaporating. However, after 30 seconds, even in the body, so much blood has already been converted into gas that the heart can no longer pump it. And if one should not have an open wound, the gaseous blood would cause the body to swell until it finally bursts (like oxygen bursts the lungs when you should hold your breath). The temperature near absolute zero has almost no effect because space is empty. If you would drift through a gas cloud, it would be of course something else, but where there are no particles to interact, so no heat or cold exchange can take place. That's why we can keep 15 billion degrees Kelvin in our fusion reactor prototypes without all the energy fizzling out on the cold metal of the casing. Finally, of course, it remains to say that space is really dangerous, but it is not instant death. Under optimal conditions 30 seconds are therefore well possible. The only question, of course, is whether Naomi made it.
Robert H.
2022-08-19 16:46:32 +0000 UTCRewatching this show multiple times and still get goose bumps when the intro music kicks in.
Scott S
2022-08-19 14:30:07 +0000 UTCI love season 5. Wow.
galexc
2022-08-19 12:33:24 +0000 UTC
