Additional Thoughts on 'Madvillainy'

"to hear mf doom do what he does" sounds like a doom bar

jeff

I honestly regret that I said 'anti hip-hop' in this video. It would have been more accurate to say he was 'anti-flash.' However, it's interesting to me that I said what I said because I think it revealed a misconception that I still have about hip-hop, that being that hip-hop=flash. Which isn't true. It CAN have flash, but that isn't all there is. So for whatever reason, there is still this stereotypical view that exists in my mind when it comes to hip-hop, and I'm glad it's been exposed through this slip as it gives me another chance to examine it and disassemble it.

Bob_the_Poppop

I disagree a little that MF DOOM is not very hip hop. I think he embodies hip hop. A lot of rappers are essentially 'playing a villain' but DOOM takes that concept a lot further with more humor. But he also gets very serious just like Nas, Jay Z, Kendrick, etc. What DOOM accomplishes with his lyrics is so hard to replicate in any genre but hip hop. He says so much with so little, and theres so many lyrics. He touches on everything in this album. Strange Ways is only one and a half minutes yet it talks about police violence, abuse of power, religion, war. I think youll see eventually there are a lot of rappers that do have fun like A Tribe Called Quest, Outkast, and Tyler who youve already listened to. But DOOM is so special because he can seamlessly transition from having fun like a Tyler The Creator type, and then addressing serious and relatable issues and it never feels weird.

Anonymous

Just remember; ALL CAPS when you spell the man name. Long live DOOM.

Kayen

Absolutely love that you appreciated DOOM this much from a first listen! He's kinda "either you really love him, or you don't really feel it at all at first. I think a lot of people need to revisit his albums more than once to "acclimate" to his unorthodox style. You're going to have an absolute blast going through his discography! I'd reccomend having at least some of the tracks on "Mm.. Food" with the lyric schemes highlighted to further appreciate his greatness. One of the few MC's I know that can at least draw a lot of similarities to the way DOOM breaks down his songs and his rhyme schemes is Earl Sweatshirt, especially after he distanced himself from the Odd Future collab and Tyler himself.., Doris would be a great introduction to him, but the following years he really branched of and got a whole lot darker and deeper. There's a great youtube video when Earl/Tyler and their whole crew is vibing so hard in the crowd during a DOOM live performace and got to meet him after the show. Earl was so overwhelmed he could barely speak afterwards and almost looked like he was about to start crying ^^ I love these full album reviews, keep the good shit coming!

Jacob Svensson

I get what you are saying but, I feel like you can see the mechanics when you watch battle rap, many times they will point it out themselves within the rhymes.

J Dot

Saw this one (don't recall if I responded to it). Good stuff, man

Bob_the_Poppop

Yes I am :)

Bob_the_Poppop

Frddie Gibbs has overtaken MOTM for first place on the poll :)

Bob_the_Poppop

Great track. Thanks for linking it

Bob_the_Poppop

It does, but it's also still pretty confusing. There are so many different names and combinations with this guy, it's very hard to make sense of it all

Bob_the_Poppop

Awesome. So glad you enjoy DOOM so much. Can't wait to see MM..FOOD. that's probably my favorite project

jofo48

1001st patron yay

wanna re post my youtube comment for you patreon folks Something ill add because its hard to catch on your first listens. On Rhinestone Cowboy, i love the detail of him ending the first verse not perfectly rhyming, with a pause on "rhinestone.....cowboy". then the crowd starts to cheer because the verse was so good, but DOOM isn't satisfied with the imperfect end, so he quiets the crowd with "no no no enough", and spits an even more insane verse, and finishes it with perfectly rhyming "fine chrome alloy" and "rhinestone cowboy". really highlights what a perfectionist he was

Jake Curran

Congrats on 1000 patrons. You deserve it. Glad you liked Madvillainy. It's a great album. You're becoming a hip hop fan.

Dylan Woods

Yes, Great Day is the shit! Super underrated song.

Will Pease

This knowledge definitely gives some context to some of the great albums like Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt, and also some insight on how someone like Kendrick is twisting these lyrical mechanics in more modern ways. I'm gonna second a lot of people in your comments and suggest Pinata by Freddie Gibbs if you enjoyed the production on Madvillainy- it's definitely a huge part of the appeal of both albums.

Joseph Kiley

It's honestly impressive that you're clicking into the deeper mechanics of hip hop this early in your journey, even if it's with the help of others and YouTube videos. I've listened to hip hop my entire life and I didn't start to grasp these things until late high school... And on a side note, I agree it's not easy to appreciate what an emcee is doing without being in the know, but there are a few who can transcend those barriers. JID being the first that comes to mind, check this song out if you don't mind: https://youtu.be/yaCNI_W-lNQ It's a single so if you ever do get around to reacting to him it won't take away from his albums. As always thanks for the content Bob

Henry

Dilla was also incredibly close path Madlib, the other half of Madvillainy. They even had an album together where they took turns stepping out of the producer position into a rap one and they rapped over eachothers beats for half the album each.

NiFr

im not sure how well it would work for a video because it’s instrumental, but you really should listen to “Donuts” by J Dilla. A lot of the rapers you’ve reacted to will cite Dilla as one of their top/their number one favorite producer ever. Donuts was produced from his hospital bed where he suffered from a disease which I can’t remember now. Dilla passed 3 days after the album released and it’s rated as a perfect album by nearly every listener and critic. ESSENTIAL record

NiFr

Yeah, good additional thoughts video, just wanted to add a small, kind of pedantic note that the album is technically by "Madvillain" which is a duo consisting of MF DOOM (the rapper) and Madlib (the producer) saying the album is by MF DOOM is kind of like calling a Queen album a Freddie Mercury album, hopefully this comparison helps.

Lil Mac

i think the rap is so cool because of what both the emcee and the producer bring to the table, like obviously people tend to focus mostly on the vocals but when you listen to some of the best producers in hip hop its crazy how they can just make you completely forget someones rapping over their beats because it’s so layered, madlib and especially Nujabes come to mind

Jose Aguilar