Buffy The Vampire Slayer 5x17
Added 2023-02-09 13:00:50 +0000 UTC
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Another emotional episode but thankfully not as intense as ep 16! Was nice to see Angel show up to comfort & support Buffy. Glory/Ben still baffle me, major head scratch there for me lol. Dawn being naughty with the spell was one thing but let's face it she had help too - Willow? Spike? Tut tut. Not that I blame Dawn, I was hoping for magic to fix everything too! It all came down to that last scene for me though, seeing Buffy really open up was so moving. A plus performance as always!
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The way you speak about your experience of the last episode really got to me for some reason— I guess because I relate so strongly. When you talk about understanding now, after some time, that this was a masterpiece. That you could even see that during the experience, but that it was so painful, so raw, so good at what it was doing— that you couldn’t really articulate or express that at the time. Man, I relate to that feeling so strongly! This is basically the emotional experience I had and have been unable (frustratingly unable) to articulate since seeing the recent film “Everything Everywhere All At Once.” I remember feeling basically paralyzed as tears slowly ran down my face at some point while watching it. When I walked out of the theater into the daylight I was so shell shocked. I walked to my car in silence, and my husband and I got inside, me in the driver’s seat. I didn’t speak or start the car. He looked at me as I stared straight ahead, and I IMMEDIATELY burst into tears and near hysterics about the fact that I could not talk about this movie with him right now and I could not talk about why I was reacting so strongly either because I didn’t even understand myself.
Looking back, I have never identified with Anya more.
Audra Foxgrove
2023-02-20 01:20:22 +0000 UTC
That scene at the end where Buffy opens up to Dawn is one of my favorites of the entire series. Sarah Michelle Gellar did such an amazing job and the writing was perfect. That scene has stayed with me ever since I saw this episode years ago.
Also regarding the Buffy and Angel scene it's kind of funny, and I know I'm probably alone on this, but I never really bought their romantic chemistry when they were actually together on the show. It always felt a bit forced to me. They're just such different people. It was very TV romancey to me. BUT since Angel left all of their scenes together have really gone up a few notches in believability in my opinion. The scene from this episode, their scenes together on Angel, I think for me they just work better as exes/people who are forever bonded than they do as an actual romantic couple.
Julian Welton
2023-02-12 07:28:58 +0000 UTC
Although Willow is normally an ethical and moral person, the show has consistently shown that when those ethics and morals get in the way of something she emotionally wants then they go by the wayside.
denmaroca 2
2023-02-11 12:52:57 +0000 UTC
That’s genuinely made me smile, thanks Raven. I love this show so much. Enjoy my glory confusion as always haha
DakaraJayne
2023-02-10 21:27:51 +0000 UTC
Hahaha you make such a good point
DakaraJayne
2023-02-10 21:26:56 +0000 UTC
I am so sorry for your loss Kirsten. Sending love and hugs your way. Thanks for sharing your experience. You’re definitely not alone. Sorry the timing hasn’t been the best on this reaction for you. Let’s hope next episode is easier for all.
DakaraJayne
2023-02-10 21:23:13 +0000 UTC
That’s so true. He do be a creepy fella. I wish that scene was saved for a different day. Not the right time.
DakaraJayne
2023-02-10 21:19:01 +0000 UTC
To be fair to everyone in the scooby gang, that you said was just judging Spike as a big creeper, he was stalking her, watching her house, breaking in while she wasnt home to steal her clothes and sniff her underwear, and dont forget two episodes ago he asked Warren to build him a Buffy sexbot. I mean, that kind of validates their opinion of him being a creeper, dont ya think? Also, whilst Buffy and Riley's relationship had it's vulnerabilities that had nothing to do with Spike, he did everything he could to expedite their split, putting doubts in Riley's head about Buffy's feeling for Riley, like when he mocked Riley for not knowing about Joyce's doctors appointment, and then of course leading Buffy to Riley in that "brothel" or whatever you want to call it. I mean, I love Spike as a character, he is one of the most interesting Buffyverse characters, but I feel people overlook so many of the highly effed up things he does, because, like Dawn says "He has cool hair and wears cool leather coats and stuff"
Jon Dub
2023-02-10 19:38:36 +0000 UTC
Oh man, I probably shouldn’t have watched this reaction this morning - today is the 1-year anniversary of losing my dad. Like Joyce, it was very sudden and unexpected, and it was my first real experience with grief. I wasn’t there at the time it happened (I was in London and couldn’t get back home until the next day), so I actually find that the aftermath shown in Forever is more emotional and relatable for me than the initial reactions depicted in The Body.
I first saw these 2 episodes back when they aired in 2001 and because I hadn’t really experienced personal loss myself yet, I was able to watch them for 20 years without being particularly affected emotionally... but now I can’t watch either of them without crying.
I really appreciate you sharing your emotions and personal experiences in these reactions, Dakara... as you said at the end of this reaction, sometimes you need that connection, and it really is comforting to know that I’m not alone and that the emotions I’ve been feeling over the last 12 months are normal.
Kirsten (Heavenli24)
2023-02-10 09:56:00 +0000 UTC
In some ways this episode is heavier than 16. I remember being involved with picking out the casket for my grandmother in 2013. There was a shadow hanging over me as every memory flooded through me. The wake was a strange experience as I saw and talked with people that I hadn't seen in decades. My young niece felt scared so I held her hand and comforted her. When I stood before Nana in her open coffin, I recognized her but also didn't recognize her. I was incredibly sad, but also angry.
Dawn is the same. Sad and angry about her mother's death, wanting vengeance against someone or something just to feel a release of her pain. It was strange that Willow feels some need to facilitate Dawn's misguided goal of using spells. Anya is hilarious, as usual: "Fondle the money?".
Spike is lovely here, with his love for Joyce and protectivness of Dawn. Yes, he's a stalker, but his true person is good.
Glory is crazy, of course, but fascinating and funny. Clothing choice is on point too. And I agree with you Dak, she is wild and a lot to take in, but so worth it.
Joel Grey (Doc) is a great actor and I love everything he's in. He's so recognizable and so perfect. Great talent. Yes, Dak, shady and worrisome.
Spike with Dawn is so cute. I'm an only child, but I always wished I had a sister. I'd be her protector and deal with anyone that hurt her - and be the happiest man in prison.
The Spike/Dawn scene with that creature was quite Indiana Jones-like. Seemed like an unnecessary addition though.
I really connected with that scene between Willow and Tara. I find myself forgetting names and places and interactions that shaped who I am, and it's upsetting. When you are faced with age and mortality, you want to remember your past in clarity because it defines you. If you forget it, you are diminished.
The interaction between Dawn and Buffy was heartbreaking. I haven't seen this episode since it originally aired. I forgot about the slap and it made me sad. Buffy crying made me tear up - again. And yes, Dak, it broke my heart again too. The climax of Dawny tearing the spell and the two of them falling into each other sobbing was almost too much for me.
I'm dreading your final reaction like I dreaded the final Lucifer reaction, but I'm happy that I can rewatch them over and over again. I think I've done Lucifer five times over. You're a legend, Dak.
Brian Dworak
2023-02-10 08:50:23 +0000 UTC
Very small thing, but I never noticed it before. In the shot of Giles sitting alone and drinking, I realized that the song he is listening to is the same one he and Joyce listened to when they were high on band candy. 😥
stacia c
2023-02-09 23:53:22 +0000 UTC
Regarding Willow's actions in this episode, it is because she has an almost pathological aversion to negative emotions (especially if they are within herself or directed to her). If you watch the scene at Willow's and Tara's, pay close attention to what Willow is saying and doing. She's dismissively telling Dawn not to be upset and is getting very agitated.
This is a pattern with Willow up to this point, whether it's Lovers Walk or Something Blue or Forever. There are other, many of them subtle, but it is consistent characterization.
Marty Beck
2023-02-09 20:50:29 +0000 UTC
Also notice how spike doesn't seemed bothered helping dawn because he doesn't really feel that it's wrong to do.
He knows logically that it is but he doesn't feel the concern he would feel if he was human or had a soul.
HE hates seeing summer women upset. That bothers him enough to want it to stop by any means. Even immoral ones.
He's "helping" but in a twisted way
Christopher simeon
2023-02-09 20:24:23 +0000 UTC
the writers of this show were soo damn good. Buffy and Dawn dealing with it in a different way and the miscommunication there. I do think they did their relationship soo wel. Angel and Buffy as well. To me, i will always ship buffy and angel in my heart, though i'm not necesarily against buffy and spike. Angel and Buffy just have such good chemistry. Dawn wanting to ressurect Joyce is understandable and you could just see WIllow kinda wanted that to, leaving the book for dawn. Atleast thats how I see it. And then Buffy's reaction when theres that knock at the door. Gone are the protests against it, and its just "mommy". Thats when Dawn realises that Buffy really does care and that she's actually needing Dawn.
Bart Aansorgh
2023-02-09 18:52:15 +0000 UTC
You know, normally I find the Spike scene sweet; and I still kind of do - because it is true, Joyce was the group's mom, no matter who you were, including Spike.
BUT - thinking about that scene the last time we saw him... He might have had good intentions with the flowers, but he's still a shady dude; and Xander's not wildly off base taking issue with him. It might have been another matter had Xander and Willow left a few minutes later; and Spike really had left the flowers on the porch and left, but we'll never really know.
Stargazer1682
2023-02-09 18:40:33 +0000 UTC
I think the scene with Angel and Buffy works so well, because Sarah and David are so close in real life; and always keep running into each other, no matter where they are. There's one interview Freddie Prinze Jr gave where he talked about one time they were on vacation and he went inside to put the kids down and came back out to find Sarah and David by the pool; and Sarah's like, "Look who I found!" He joked they could be in Siberia and he wouldn't be surprised if they ran into David.
Stargazer1682
2023-02-09 18:37:45 +0000 UTC
I want to say I think you're spot on as far as why people seem to "like" watching you cry.
Lil anecdote from my perspective as an actor, how I got into reaction videos was, like many, due to covid. I was in school seeking my masters in acting, but our classes moved online and we were unable to perform except virtually. As a performer, that emotional connection is exactly why I do what I do. The experience of being in a theatre feeling emotion and knowing the audience is feeling the same thing because of your portrayal is powerful! Stuff of awe, truly. And when quarantine happened and I wasn't able to have that experience anymore, reaction videos filled that hole. Just the ability to have that same sharing of emotion despite being alone in my home? It fills you up in a way. And despite watching 5x16 probably 20 times now, I always cry with the reactors. For you, being the reactor probably feels a little like performing to a zoom audience, so I get why you feel awkward. But know that you're really giving a gift.
Kate
2023-02-09 18:05:59 +0000 UTC
Play close attention to the characters in this episode. You can see how dawn felt similar to Riley earlier this season from Buffy's aloofness even though Buffy wasn't trying to come off that way.
Now willow says that she can't remember what she ate for breakfast but she seems to focus so much on Tara's life when journalling. What does that say about her self-esteem.
Xander and Anya talk about life and the possibility of having a baby which freaks him out
Christopher simeon
2023-02-09 17:19:57 +0000 UTC
Xander's reaction to Spike turning up with flowers for Joyce, I think did all of us in. Understandably protective, but definitely oversaturated with agressiveness.
Ah and Joyce and Spike with the gossip and watching Passions together. Lol that was quite the duo.
PongPong31
2023-02-09 17:12:31 +0000 UTC
I didn't know that about the soundtrack, thanks. Is it in 2x13 Surprise (where he loses his soul at the end) or 2x14 Innocence? (after he's turned evil)
Ed Green
2023-02-09 15:50:09 +0000 UTC
The demon guy (Doc) that Dawn and Spike visited is played by Broadway legend, and Academy Award winning actor, Joel Grey. He played the role of the Master of Ceremonies in the original Broadway production and film version of Cabaret. He celebrated his 90th birthday last year, and is still producing and working in Theatre. Word back in the day as well was that the casting people really wanted him for the role of Doc, but were like, "Wait, we can't ask an Oscar winning actor to be on Buffy, can we?" And then they found out he was actually a fan of the show & was happy to have a small role on it.
Claire Eyles
2023-02-09 14:18:06 +0000 UTC
I loved this reaction. I especially love how much you "get" this show, Dak. You are right there, feeling what so many of us feel all the time, and it's so good to see.
As for your reactions regarding Ben and Glory, they are so much fun. *giggles*
Raven Dark
2023-02-09 14:11:55 +0000 UTC
Why would Willow do that? You mean the same Willow that tried to deal with her previous feelings for Xander by casting a spell, and who also tried to speedrun through her heartbreak over Oz by casting a spell, that Willow? Yeah I think Willow and dealing with difficult emotions are like two unmixy things.
Claire Eyles
2023-02-09 13:58:45 +0000 UTC
Couple of "fun" things with the music on this one. During the scene with Angel and Buffy in the cemetery they played a version of the "Bangel soundtrack" that was used during their coupley moments in season 2, specifically 2x13 "Innocence." Also the song that Giles was listening to while drinking his whiskey and remembering Joyce was the same one that they were rocking out to and smoking cigarettes in 3x06 "Band Candy."
Preaching to the Horse's Mouth
2023-02-09 13:46:37 +0000 UTC