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Premium 347: In Between The Margins

This week we take a look at a developing ideology in Silicon Valley known as "Effective Accelerationism," as well a tech conference hosted by Peter Thiel in November 2024 known as "Hereticon." We also talk about how this all relates to what we saw last week at CPAC, and why it might not be a terrible idea to start reclaiming the term "doomer." Special thanks to Twitter user Robert Skvarla (@RobertSkvarla) for digging all this up and starting me down this rabbit hole.

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Coming back to previous eps and I’ve listened to the first 10 minutes here 4 times now. Writing down this one: “What’s the quality of your service, what’s the quality of your character in that space where God’s dead and it’s unclear if there’s even going to be an Easter at all?” Love y’all

Addison

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-desert big nomadic war machine vibes

Pine Gray

Was reminded of my favorite graffiti of all time at @59:00 written on the wall of my favorite Dallas dive bar (Lakewood Landing): “Ayn Rand got some big ass titties.”

James Phipps

I've never really thought about it from that angle. Some Gospel of Judas type stuff, it is an interesting way to look at it. If you really believe Christ can't come back until the Antichrist has come, there is incentive to bring about the Antichrist

Some Guy

Yes, this one really needs to be heard by more people.

Aleksey B

Thinking of this discussion and Bulgakov’s Master and Margarita, and it appears that Trump may be America’s Woland. This one is for the books, fellas 🙏

Aleksey B

you know it’s a banger when the boys start the ep with “maybe the apocalypse is a chance for a new start”

Kyle

Y’all came out the gate swinging on this one

Alex Wheeler

I agree, just sucks that none of us can really find our bearing and what is real and what simply feels real.

McMiller

Just want to say, the Black Man is God…

TatsuMaki

Honestly, people should be spreading misinformation about that demon, who cares. The guys are on point about the way that demon gotta go lol.

Isaac Alrai

Yeah I feel ya. Unfortunately that would require a movement or something concrete to shuffle them towards based on a bettering of material conditions. These pigs don’t think or believe a better future is possible in the first place and I think a large part of that falls on the Dems for closing off possible political horizons at every possible opportunity. I really wish their was an option because it’s a lost opportunity. However, it’s a lost opportunity because the groundwork hasn’t been laid to seize the opportunity yet

Tom

This type of shit has me wanting to clean firearms [satire]. Absolutely heartbreaking, my dad is the same way so I read this and just nodded along

Tom

Seconded. This is a sensational episode to share with my non listening friends to get them hooked. Checks all the great trillbilly boxes

Jesse

Omg and then his philosophical info dump that comes a minute later. Good lord, Aaron 🥵

Jessica Daylover

Aaron’s rant about the Replicator and the Ouroboros at the 39 min mark is the sexiest thing I’ve ever heard

Jessica Daylover

You guys should open this episode up on the main feed. I am happy to finally hear more people starting to talk about the underlying ideology and philosophy behind the current regime. I have been trying to open peoples eyes to this for months. Excellent episode fellas, keep up the good work.

Jacob Kukkola

My grandmother in rural AL looked me dead in my eyes two weeks ago and confirmed she still believes Trump might be the antichrist. She first thought this around 2019 when he was talking of bringing peace to the Middle East and I joked asking if she still thought that, knowing she voted for him again in 24. She said yes. Went on to explain she thinks he will bring about the end times so she may finally be raptured but is going to fix America for her before she is gone. I’m 26 and all of my life my grandparents have forever wanted to see the return of Christ to walk hand in hand with him to heaven. They believe it so much they are willing to vote for a man they believe will bring it to them. Broke my heart that they are that far gone and a quick personal note I wanna add is fuck Hal Lindsey for the role he played into their want to see end times and telling them it’s right around the corner for the past forty fucking years peddling his dumbass books to them

Caleb

They are, but I also actually think it is a correct sort of meta-analysis that was floated on the show (if I remember correctly), in that "the media" is unwilling to declaratively call it for what it is (with that complexity; lol, trolling you, is it a nazi salute or not, lolol), which feeds back into the loop of making it ok to restate impulses of facism under the guise of ambiguity. The impulse is often, when you "look for nazis", to hold up a picture from a history book, and if it doesn't 100% match, then it's a "well, who can really know anything, actually?" situation. "They" know that this dynamic exists, and rely on institutions (media or otherwise) to err on the side of ambiguity, in lieu of being declarative. Which, to an extent, they fundamentally cannot do. (that's the role of specialized press, like left-leaning news organizations, for example). "They can do this stuff" because they are operating from a largely correct analysis of certain dynamics at play, and whose particular weaknesses are being exploited. Some of those weaknesses include "...how come the mainstream media just can't say what I and literally everyone I've ever talked to about this, can clearly see, with my own eyes, in my own skull?". It's basically chomsky-shit, to be really to-the-point about it. "did he really do a nazi salute or not?" is a "who can say" type of thing, at the end of the day. "Do I think this guy has good intentions, in general?" on the other hand, is a lot easier to say with your full throat. One question is about someone's intentions. The other is about whether or not the precise aesthetics match other precise aesthetics, that then tell you something about someone's intentions. Often after the fact, like with the nazis. We know they suck after taking in the full scope of what they did, after they did it. Up until they did all of what they did, they signaled pretty clearly what their ill intentions were, and the precise semantics about what each little thing "was", was probably as discussed back then, as it is now, when the situation is unfolding, and there being various levels of willingness to indulge ambiguity.

Jesper Ohlsson

I had to comment based on the conversation topic around 13:00 in. I had this same scenario in my head a few days ago, but you bury them alive so they can live stream or whatever from the palatial mausoleum that nutcase will have constructed for himself. Gotta know what these freaks are thinking, to have the unique experience of premature entombment with one of humanity's saviors.

Terry M Minnick

Altered Carbon is dope and the books are great also.

TangiePower

The only God I acknowledge is entropy

Al Harris

let's hold him down and take our money back from him

cinchal

NOT toxic positivity but steadfast optimism on a long enough timeline, i am hoopin in the ruins

cinchal

Do we not try to be funny in comments on podcasts anymore? Maybe that's not a thing doomers do, I see where there was confusion now. All I said was, "Good job Tom".

Chicken Man Cory

Two bros goin at it.. one's a quick trip bro and one's a Bucky's bro.. it all seems like a battle of excess.. Nobody needs anything more than a Casey's has to offer.. Is this interpretation wrong? 🤔

Chicken Man Cory

While I can’t say I also haven’t enjoyed the schadenfraude, I can’t help but think in the back of my mind there is a big opportunity being missed to use this moment to radicalize people. I just wish I knew how to broach the topic

William

There is a reason why everyone thought it was a real tweet.

Lucy McGillicuddy

What the hell

abby

I love you guys. But Tom set the standard outta the gate, 2 minutes in, we got "Let your nuts hang, ball in the ruins!" Also, I listen here because I'm never disappointed w/ the conversation regardless of who's on.. but Tom was gettin' me straight up hard.. not that straight actually.. but ya know, my cochlea had a boner too. 🤘🏼Doomers Unite!❤️

Chicken Man Cory

Maybe this is irrelevant, but I think it's interesting to remember that futurism had two sides: the Italian version which, as mentioned, was fascist, and the Russian version, which was very much communist and came out of the joy and optimism of the early USSR.

Giulia

"Me? I'm doing effective accelerationism." "Hmm? What's that?" "What it is?" " I mean, I'm like *gesticulates wildly, in a kind of shoveling motion* just really going at it." "yeah, sure, if you boil it down I'm mostly just living my life and talking whatevs with people like you, who are under the impression that someone like me is quote-un-quote making reality happen faster or more extra. I'm like still browsing the internet and clicking on things that I think are on fleek." "I still do stuff like think about buying groceries when I don't just go out and eat every night at a restaurant, because I can afford to do that, so I never even bothered to learn how to cook." "The point is - there is a word for this; this thing that we are talking about. It's called effective accelerationism." " How can something not be an actual thing, if I - demonstratively - can refer to it?" "...I bet you feel pretty foolish right about now for even asking me about this." " I'll be sure to order some eggs - for your face - if I even remember this exchange we're having, after we're done yappin here." "God. I just feel great all the time." "Why are you making that face? I hate it. Ugh, this is always happening to me." "Honestly, I'm really so over it. This is what I mean by how we need to change things, and change them right now. Like, fast. Because it's bullshit."

Jesper Ohlsson

Terrence is completely right on the Futurists' influence on this new international fascist movement. Note that the other neofascist leaders in this movement are Italian/have Italian heritage: Milei and Meloni. JD Vance is a nerd that needed more lore to lord over over others (I know more facts than you therefore I am smarter than you posturing), and the catholic church is chock full of lore. Goes to show how insecure Vance is re: his class origins.

Jhonsykay

Sexton should be teaching at a seminary

sarah

The tweet was fake damn you were got

McMiller

Startin strong with that latin lesson baby

sarah

God willing our looming health care system of befriending a doctor will save us

Court

Lehmann and quillette are nasty work 🤮

Matt Barlow

First episode: JD Vance is a Snitch Last episode: JD Vance is the Antichrist, special guest Pope Francis

Eva

Listening to an audio book version of Asimov’s “the Last Question” in which the concept of entropy plays a large part. And realize we are now in an Entropic Democracy. With first civil liberties being eroded for greater and greater demographic groups. Then freedom of movement. Then expression; verbally, in print, and most importantly what can be learned legally. And I wonder how long would that take to turn around if the Civil War part deux was more like the French Revolution.

Zach H.

Also GTFO with the "awkward gesture" line and using his autism to excuse it. Every autistic male that I know (and I have several in my family) has had at least one period of immense fascination with WWII. He knows exactly what he did!

Bschiltz3

I always thought a Roman salute was when you walked in on your partner at full mast, no?

Warbs

Fellas they are already killing us with pure impunity. If the novel virus hasn't taken you out yet, it decimated your immune system with every acquisition, and just like HIV leading to AIDS, Covid will eventually weaken you to such a degree that a bad bout of strep, or a gnarly cut turned to sepsis, will threaten your life. Hope you have good insurance.

Goodie

people think of capitalism as lacking futurity and tending toward instability, and this is primarily true. but that instability is also why they’re tightening control on reproduction, doubling down on racism, and expanding empire. their “futurity” is ensuring super-profit-producing racial stratification and male dominance forever, as a machine of social reproduction it’s interesting though that the Right’s attitude is increasingly “sexual decadence for me but not for thee” — idk much about Nero but it’s giving Nero vibes

synthia plat

Can't wait till one of these Very High IQ people realize that enthusiastic consent can - indeed - be used as a form of coercion. And quite easily too (even if expressly not intended to) in the absence of actual communication. And not just, you know, "talking". You could say that that is ironic. Well, I mean you could, if you have a very high IQ, and could appreciate such things. I never asked anyone to give me a number about my brain-pan, so this might be above my paygrade, miss so-and-so.

Jesper Ohlsson

"man...my apartment is dirty and messy as shit. Let's see if there's any new ones for sale in the paper. Btw, I have negative 20 dollars in my account. Do you think that will be a problem? Cuz, I don't. I have a pretty good feeling about it."

Jesper Ohlsson

"I am become Meme...That's pretty much what's happening." Is it, Elon? ..Is that "what is happening"? Let's give the 8-ball a shake, and find out.

Jesper Ohlsson

It's awesome that Trump is like "I want spoils of war from Ukraine, give me the minerals" and everyone is sorta going "yeah but that's like a war-crime. To the extent that we have rules in war, you can't do that." "Like, you can do it, but you can't say that's what you want. It's a whole thing; we usually rule with subtext and inference, not just declaring your super-objective like you're an imbecile who walked off the street." But at the same time everyone's so fucking over it that they're going to realpolitik the whole thing. "....FINE. Let's make him feel like he MaDe A dEaL, and validate him feeling like he is smart, and maybe give him the nobel peace prize too. If that is what it takes, because this might be the only shot we have in a long time here." "This part of the history book is going to fuuuuckiiing suuuuuck when we read it, but if that's all there is, then... ugh...fine. He's literally the smartest person I've ever met. He floored me completely. A keen, sharp mind who knows what he wants, and can do it. Maybe the greatest at doing that, that I have ever met." You know, stupid shit like that. And then you let all your goblin underlings make sure you get as much of actual substance out of it as possible.

Jesper Ohlsson

Also I deserve a billion dollars and to not be hanged for my crimes.

Well aged meme

"Don't be on the side of death"

Well aged meme

Wait snopes says that tweet from Elon came from a fake account. This sounds like something he would say though.

Mmi42069

song @ 27min goes hard. I hate it.

Well aged meme

It’s so lib to do, and honestly the people in that subreddit are reprehensible most of the time, but I have been enjoying the schadenfraude of following the leopards ate my face subreddit. Just full of conservatives getting owned by their god king.

Richard Cochnar

"so we're toying with the idea of maybe doing one of the most dangerous things we have ever tried to do - make cars drive themselves, and in like a safe way - and we're really putting most of our faith in that working out on this guy." "Yeah, that's the one. Mhmm. That did that on tv. Oh yeah, that has happened multiple times now. Uhm... let's see..heeeere... Yep. He's doing it right now, actually." "Yeah, I know. It's like, why is he wearing that t-shirt when there's zero chance any of that will happen? Like any of it - at all - like ever? I can't just show up to my work and say stuff; I'd be fired. And I really can't afford to lose this job."

Jesper Ohlsson

I'm still annoyed that Altered Carbon wasn't particularly good and grabbed me. I'd like the feeling of being stoked about a cyberpunk tv show that's good.

Jesper Ohlsson

This family friend I know retired from being a local cop after 20 years and his wife got him a cushy job at FEMA. He was perfectly happy to go back into the office full time (“for added security” his words ofc. I found out that he was 2 weeks shy of completing his probationary period and summarily fired last week with thousands of others. Shit had me laughing so hard, but now I think these people will take the victim tack while also leaning into full fascistic violence against their perceived enemies.

Tom

One of the all time great episodes

Daniel E

JD Vance is a schismatic Catholic straight up heretical in every sense of the word.

Jonathan Howard

At least that will be the story told to the billionaires before the ceremony

Sam Elzarian

Jesus, this is a long, serious episode. Kinda radicalizing

Andrew Dunn

Insane cold open

FamilyGorgeous

Good to see Tom is back from his battle with tuberculosis. Yes yes we all know it was TB no matter what you tell us.

Tom's Trips Official

PHYSICAL INSTRUMENT [Easy: Success]: The fuck does that even mean?

Tom's Trips Official

That article courting debilitatingly insecure men and telling them that the best sex doesn’t require any vulnerability or communication… it’s all off. There is no “good” sex without lots of “bad” sex first. That’s okay. No one cares. The people who didn’t have the best time with you are out living their lives and not thinking about it. Not-great, consensual sex makes for funny memories. But if you’re paralyzed at the thought of talking to a person about sex and consent then you need to take some time and get okay with your own humanity and your own failings. Extreme, bitter reactions to the real or imagined rejection will leave you like it left Ayn Rand. People need honest and comprehensive sex Ed and we need more connection in order to stop horny right wingers dry humping strangers against their will in sports bars.

BookMisser

It's time for Golgotha on American soil.

AL

I'm more of a gooner than a doomer tbh

Joseph Mabrey

Oh man he’s so wet and off putting. The man would be like a fermented fish.

BookMisser

Or even just locking them into a monolith and launching them into space.

BookMisser

The sermon on the mount, and miracle of the fishes, it’s easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle… can’t talk about Jesus, it doesn’t work.

Sammy

Michael Scott Wayne Gretzky quote but it's a Tom Sexton Cornel West quote

Andrew Dunn

Love how Terrance started out defending doomerism and ended on the most brutal note. That’s hardcore.

Marty Shambles

Love basing my healthcare on the whims of "yeah, I kinda know a guy. " "He says he's a doctor. So, if something happens to me in a few years, I think I'll be alright. I just need to not ever be very drunk and go on a rant on Facebook, and unfriend him." "Because then I will lose access to the healthcare, that I so very much depend on." I guess the lesson here is that friends are important.

Jesper Ohlsson

WE ALL GONNA DIE BROTHERS AND SISTERS! IM READY, ARE YOU READY?

Louis Wilkins

...I mean, if it's on "the official Rick and Morty" sub, I think we owe our self to hear him out. Like, if these were musings on some bootleg /r feed, where all the guys who got banned from the main one congregate, then, sure, go ahead and poo-poo. But the official one? No. Hey, here's an idea - why don't yoooooouu try growing and changing, eh? This is a man thinking. And you are so childish as to dismiss that, simply because it happens to take place on a forum, of a quite sophisticated television programme. I bet you feel some kind of way about it now, don't you? ...It's a small but delightful thing, to feel that some type of inevitability is - perhaps - starting to form. Will be the best news in a long while. I'll take it. //Spoilers: talking about someone straight up doming him. Because fuck am I sick of his shit.

Jesper Ohlsson

Knowing one of you spent a week in Vermont the way you did & still think the world is irredeemable...what hope do any of the rest of us have?

Bobby Sloan

I’ve been thinking for a while that the left might need a messiah to get our shit together.

Tvvvv

Or Appalachian

Ceruleania

The Anonymous rant was so satisfying

Ceruleania

The God of Abraham has spoken to me and said that he has sent a prophetic computer (AI) to save the world from its own contradictions. He says that only billionaires are smart and exceptional enough to help him maximize the positive outcomes that can be brought by the new AI age. He has called for these billionaires to join him in heaven and rule at his side.the subjects of earth are to celebrate these earthly departures with great ceremonies that befit the honor of serving at the right hand of God himself. Sacrifice of “worthy” billionaire godlike humans must be done regularly to maximize the AI’s ability to save humanity.

Sam Elzarian

Well gosh I guess I will no longer pray to the almighty lord of creation that something terrible happens to him since he didn’t make that tweet

Pat

My brother is a wildland firefighter in the US forest service. Many of his friends have been fired under false pretenses of cause. The reason he is friends with these people is that they work hand in hand. It takes a village to raise a national park.

Pat

US Forest Service has laid off a ton of mid to lower level staff listed as "foresters" or "technicians", however almost all those positions serve double duty as wildland firefighters during the fire season. This summer is going to be very bad year for wild fires.

Bschiltz3

Don't fuck with The Enlightened Apocalyptician

Ben Meredyk

I love yall hating Elon musk. Been needing that a while. However: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-billionaires-tired/

Crepe-y

The gang discovers absurdism

panda-roux

Sorry didn't finish the episode yet uhm yeah I'm a fucking genius and a whore

abby

Tom fucking bringing heat

Unknown User

Aaron I'm begging you for a sci fi short story about orbital ziggurats, I would truly pay top dollar for that shit

Jack

I’m gonna throw a curveball at ya Tom- are we in the tribulation period? No, we’re all in hell and or purgatory reliving the same stupid shit until we get it right and can move on. We are ghosts with unfinished business

William

I think Bernie is meeting people where most of them are at. Or at least he thinks he is; I think he underestimates how much support he would have forming a 3rd party

William

Tom spit fire 🔥

A sherpa chat

Tom's absolutely unfiltered contempt for and hatred of Elon Musk is something I deeply appreciate. Game recognize game. Cheese grater gang, rise up!

GolfBaller

but 🤢

Austin

I bet his liver hit crazy

Austin

Take me back to the 1380s

Sean Dickey

"We've traded in so much of what it is to be human for convenience." 💯😮‍💨 Tom really brought it on this one. ❤️‍🔥 Great ep

Austin

they’re calling it a roman salute for the kids! theres always a generation of minds to be shaped here and they’re trying to dominate the narrative for gen alpha and beyond. its just lessons in licking boots.

topclock

Tom’s elephant is perfect

Lauren Gibson

I was just talking with my dad about how Elon needs to die.

Collieflower

What

abby

Idk is your iq as high as your body count?

William

They kind of need Trump to do a 3rd term because their project is kind of over without him. Who are they going to rally around after, Ron? JD? Musk? Maybe that’s why they’re okay going ham on the admin state now, because it could take 8 years to fix, if it ever does

William

“Generation of traumatized former church kids” is so real. I sometimes feel like we have a unique responsibility as people who got a front row seat to their plans for exactly what’s happening now. But sometimes I don’t know what to do with that knowledge. I feel like the Greek prophet Cassandra who was cursed to speak truth only to have nobody believe her.

Grant

Could you muster a quarter ounce of rizz? For a second!

Ceruleania

Did yall hear that as part of its sweeping book bans the Department of Defense banned Hillbilly Elegy 😂😂😂 I never wished I had a personal line to the trillbillies so badly lol almost reactivated twitter to @ yall

gray

“I am the enlightened apocalyptician” is straight out of Disco Elysium

Chapo has always branded nu metal as right wing

Tom hit four 3’s in a row to start this episode

Julian Baker

I don't want to tell tales out of school, but I heard from a friend of a friend, that if you put a penny on the longside of your bed, and flip-it-over every "now and then", someone you really wish "would die" might do so. But, like, in a way where you also don't - after the fact - feel responsible for it, or feel bad about the larger consequences of having killed someone through witchcraft. You'll just continue living, and being quite pleased with the secret truth that you - and you alone - were the first person in history, to successfully cast a spell. And with no formal training! - to boot. Quite the accomplishment.

Jesper Ohlsson

Weird how “dangerous ideas” are just things that have been proven wrong, spouted by shit stupid hacks

William

Always letting my nuts hang…I’m middle aged

David James

Lord, 57:23 is when shit truly gets wild as all hell. -smdh-

Savanna LaMaison

Boltzman is amazing. His work on Gaza fairly early on in the genocide was incredible. Read Nutsandboltzman!!!

Tradili Porkmen

Your commentary on elephants forgets the mighty cetaceans

Tvvvv

I love this podcast so much but sometimes it’s like I decided to doomscroll without scrolling

Hoss Bradley

Their periods synced

abby

I never understood the desire to eat your enemy’s organs until Elon.

Tvvvv

“Who’s side are you on” these fucks can’t ever make shit up on their own. Also, after billions, if not trillions of dollars have been poured into tech shit that hasn’t gone anywhere. The batting record is negative

William

People say all kinds of things aren't possible. There's like that one scene, in The Master, where Joaquin Phoenix's character is asked to walk back and forth and imagine that a wall isn't a wall, but that he can stick his whole body through it, or whatever, if he just believes? Ok, so if that was in a movie - "that weeee allll saaaaw" - why wouldn't it then logically follow that Silicone Valley through a series of self-administered cocktails of uppers wouldn't - given enough time and grit - achieve the same? ...there's just a lot of negative thinking going around these days, and you just hate to see it. Let alone, live it.

Jesper Ohlsson

“I threw out my back cringing” is an all time top tier quote

William

That'd be a fun one

auf die Welle

straight ballin'

auf die Welle

The thing to remember with insecure people is that every accusation is a confession

William

I like the story of musk firing a bunch of nuclear safety employees, then they realized they ESPECIALLY needed them to remain employed, but had no way of contacting them to rehire

William

I love you guys

McMiller

8 minutes in and it’s already a banger

Leo

BoltzmannBooty is writing some good stuff on this too, absolutely mind breaking shit

big red

In the end times anyone want me

abby

One day you'll be able to say you live a mile and a half from where he used to live. (This is a joke about him moving away in case my parole officer reads this)

Andrew Ratcliffe

Stroking mah shit in the ruins.

Wilford

Have they ever done a crossover as pods? I don't want to sound like one of those listeners who constantly asks for guests, but...

AL

Need to hear this after learning I live about a half mile away from Curtis Yarvin

Zach Searcy

Ty for this weekly dose of Satanic and Vichy Democrat content

N

Hope you're feeling better Thomas

abby

the trillbillies and true anon timelines are syncing up <3

hhannahh


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