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Added 2024-11-11 19:37:27 +0000 UTCSome more unpacking of the election results, as well as a look at the various analyses and autopsies of what went wrong
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I replied with these points to 2Liter Bong’s comment but I thought they were relevant to other comments so I figured I’d leave a version of it here: Yes. women are dying. My sister is an OBGYN and she has some horrible stories. But what I’ve found in my research is that women have been dying from not receiving abortion healthcare even before the Dobbs decision (primarily from catholic or religious hospitals who denied them access and did not share or refer them to life saving information or transfer them to a secular hospital ) and many of the women who have died (at least in Texas) have died post-Dobbs at these religious hospitals — Religious hospitals that have existed and have denied abobo healthcare waaaay before the Dobbs decision. I’m in Texas, I don’t work in healthcare, and while I didn’t have hetero sex for 2 years after moving back to my homestate because of paranoia about abortion illegality, the fact that I have an IUD and have no plans to get preggers (and act accordingly in sex as much as I can), the Dobbs decision hasn’t really affected my life - materially - all that much. I also don’t have sex much, which is another thing that the U.S. is experiencing— people are having less sex. Obviously the Dobbs decision is depressing and demoralizing and despicable so it’s affected my individual life in an emotional/abstract way, but materially- not much. It HAS affected my sister (the OBGYN) greatly due to her having to figure out how to treat her patients (and her hospital trying to figure out how to manage the legal responsibilities of training doctors during residency. There are certain federal obligations for training doctors and one of those includes a mandatory abortion course with hands-on training with real patients). But also I need to mention how hollow it sounded when Harris tried to run on abortion… WHEN THE DEMS WERE LITERALLY ALREADY IN OFFICE. If they did nothing materially beneficial towards that cause with Biden, why tf would people trust them to do it with Harris- someone who literally pontificated vapidly about abortion while pregnant women were getting bombed. And videos of miscarried dead fetuses and children among the rubble all across people’s SM for the past year. The contradictions and hypocrisy is too much.
Raquelle Jac
2025-01-27 19:45:39 +0000 UTCI mean… yeah women are dying. My sister is an OBGYN and she has some horrible stories. But what I’ve found in my research is that women have been dying from not receiving abortion healthcare even before the Dobbs decision (primarily from catholic or religious hospitals who denied them access and did not share or refer them to life saving information or transfer them to a secular hospital ) and many of the women who have died (at least in Texas) have died at these religious hospitals after the Dobbs decision that have existed and denied healthcare way before the Dobbs decision. I’m in Texas, I don’t work in healthcare, and while I didn’t have sex for 2 years after moving back to my home state because of paranoia about abortion illegality, the fact that I have an IUD and have no plans to get preggers, the Dobbs decision hasn’t affected my life - materially - all that much. Obviously it’s depressing and demoralizing and despicable so it’s affected my life in an emotional abstract way, but materially- not much. It has affected my sister (the OBGYN) greatly. But also I need to mention how hollow it sounded when Harris tried to run on abortion… WHEN THE DEMS WERE LITERALLY ALREADY IN OFFICE. If they did nothing materially beneficial towards that cause with Biden, why tf would people trust them to do it with Harris- someone who literally spoke about abortion while pregnant women were getting bombed. And videos of miscarried dead fetuses and children among the rubble all across people’s SM for the past year
Raquelle Jac
2025-01-27 19:38:46 +0000 UTCI meant SoundCloud…
Uso Dayo
2024-11-18 22:31:30 +0000 UTC@ bookmisser that’s terrible, especially in food service. I didn’t say I didn’t have healthcare. I have excellent healthcare. I just don’t have sick days (paid or unpaid) to go to use that healthcare or stay home sick. We’re told to go to work if we have covid or get an attendance violation. My point was that Biden’s administration indeed fucked over my union regardless of what liberal media reported about us getting our demands, and that I’m thankful Aaron mentioned it. Solidarity my friend!
Ceruleania
2024-11-17 18:04:33 +0000 UTCThank you 🫡
Ceruleania
2024-11-17 18:01:50 +0000 UTCMy understanding was that we get cooler blue jeans. So I guess kids from the 80s came cheaper than their generation
BookMisser
2024-11-17 17:22:54 +0000 UTCBut as a person it is scary to go without health care. Everything you can do to avoid smoking and to eat whole grains and lots of plants and keep your fingers crossed. I wish you and your friends good and lucky health.
BookMisser
2024-11-17 17:08:21 +0000 UTCI worked a decade as a waitress and had no sick days. I worked sick because obviously. Especially when I worked fine dining I enjoyed telling people that my allergies or asthma was acting up if I couldn’t stop a cough.
BookMisser
2024-11-17 17:06:05 +0000 UTCThis round the ERA could have enshrined my equal rights as a woman under the constitution. It would require that congress become more democratic and do away with the 60 vote requirement for some bills in the senate. Which issue was more important to the democrats?
BookMisser
2024-11-17 17:01:13 +0000 UTCI’m old enough to have lived through rounds of majorities and super majorities for democrats and I’ve thought “this time they’ll codify my rights” zero times.
BookMisser
2024-11-17 16:54:43 +0000 UTCI just wanted to say I enjoyed the episode on the main feed. I thought Lauren was a good guest. I saw some negative comments on Spotify and I didn't understand I thought she was great.
Lucy McGillicuddy
2024-11-16 06:04:36 +0000 UTCWomen are dying for those reasons RIGHT NOW because the Dems and Obama decided to not pass a law in 2009 after they promised they would.
Lucy McGillicuddy
2024-11-16 03:29:39 +0000 UTC"Women dying due to being denied abortion care is immaterial " uh huh... The boys really took the black eye peas hit single " let's get retarded " as a challenge, huh?
2Liter Bong
2024-11-16 01:52:01 +0000 UTCIf Trump dies JD Vance will sit back and do whatever Peter Thiel tells him.
Uso Dayo
2024-11-15 22:51:16 +0000 UTCIt shuttered every clinic and ended any provision of service in Texas (and on a statewide basis in several other states). It didn't change things in a lot of other places...those where it's already protected and those where it was effectively impossible because of existing and creeping restrictions/geography making it practically unavailable before Dobbs, e.g. all of Texas more than 50 miles west of I-35.
Dude of H-town
2024-11-15 17:27:34 +0000 UTCIt was Sylvia Plath (and later Moe Szyslak) who used the oven.
Dude of H-town
2024-11-15 17:22:38 +0000 UTCThose industries still exist, but the only thing left in America is the shareholders.
Dude of H-town
2024-11-15 17:19:36 +0000 UTCI've wondered the same but I think it's Tecumseh: A Life (by John Sugden). If anyone knows, then I'd be happy to find out.
Dude of H-town
2024-11-15 17:17:15 +0000 UTCReally hopeful that Tarence's comment (in the free ep) about this being the rightwing's Lufthansa Heist ends similarly for most of the players in the actual Lufthansa Heist. (Not the big boy, of course. He's going to ride off like a dumber Reagan, but maybe some of the rest of them find the inside of some refrigerator trucks.)
Dude of H-town
2024-11-15 17:15:42 +0000 UTCAaron's laugh after "what's that dead lady's name" brought me deep joy.
Mary Colleran
2024-11-15 13:19:25 +0000 UTC"Matt Gaetz is actually quite good looking" is by far the most objectionable thing ever uttered on this podcast. Before his makeover he looked like one of those upsetting photoshops where the mouth has been flipped upside down, and now he looks like low-poly-man from the Hunger Games. Girl, where? I blame ps1-graphics nostalgia.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-11-15 11:00:13 +0000 UTCSincerely apologize, my bad, I didn’t read the 6-8 week thing and I don’t go on that subreddit so I didn’t know there was an outrage. I’m not with them, send mine slower if you want.
stephanie morgan
2024-11-15 08:30:52 +0000 UTCY'all need to read "Beasts Bounding Through Time" by Bukowski. He outlines how all those famous folk of yore got killed. If you can't stomach Bukowski, (he's an ass) the band Modern life is war did a song called "these mad dogs of Glory" about the poem.
ASL
2024-11-14 23:55:55 +0000 UTCThe railroad strike single handedly disproves the "most friendly labor president" line they've been repeating over and over for the past 4 years. Nobody believes there bullshit. That said, I really hope you all get the demands you deserve one day. What a shameful excuse for a President.
ASL
2024-11-14 23:35:12 +0000 UTCTarence mentions thinking of moving to West Virginia in the free episode this week. DO IT! We need more good people here.
Seth Jarrell
2024-11-14 22:36:47 +0000 UTCWhere do you go for the “main” episodes? I’m on Spotify but there’s never any comments there so I feel like it’s just me listening
Uso Dayo
2024-11-14 13:03:59 +0000 UTCExcuse me
William
2024-11-14 03:38:14 +0000 UTCOthers have said it is "A Sorrow in Our Heart: The Life of Tecumseh" - by Allan Eckert
Lucy McGillicuddy
2024-11-14 02:27:28 +0000 UTCI agree with what you're aiming at. That's why I think Bessner's historical materialist analysis is so helpful. One of his main points vulgarly stated would be that "The call is coming from inside the house" in terms of the threat to what is essentially just procedural democracy at this point. Fascism is a particular phenomenon of the mid 20th century that was defeated by liberalism. Real historical fascists admired the United States because we had done (via liberal bourgeois democracy) what they could only dream of. Hitler, for example, admired our so-called Indian policy and our settler-colonial model because it was such a tremendous success. It was a model for him not just in the Holocaust but especially in his desire to subjugate all Slavic people east of Germany. Bessner's point is that we need to look soberly at that reality and realize whatever comes next is a product of liberal democracy and not a product of a invasive other that has corrupted our liberal democratic order. I think This can be seen very clearly in the intentionally hamstring efforts of radical reconstruction, but even more so after WW2 and the neoliberal turn. Anywho, I'm not trying to police the use of the term. As bessner points out at times, Fascism can be a helpful term in conversation because people have a vague, albeit ahistorical, understanding of what it might mean (BPP use of the term for instance). I use it in conversation all the time. However, like Terrence mentioned in this episode, I think it is vital that we identify our enemies and capitalist nodes of power properly. So amongst comrades I think his work is important to consider. Especially as genocide boosting liberals use the term to divorce themselves from the reality of being part of and profiting from the history of the imperial core.
Jennifer Hammerhead
2024-11-13 21:45:49 +0000 UTCRhesus Mycocks
Ceruleania
2024-11-13 19:33:10 +0000 UTCTarence recently mentioned reading a book on American Indian bad ass Tecumseh. Any idea which book he’s talking about? (I’m not on the discord if it was mentioned there.)
DB
2024-11-13 16:52:44 +0000 UTCI know the boys like to play fast and loose but their comments that Dobbs didn’t really change anything seemed particularly brain dead.
Grumpy Botany
2024-11-13 13:42:50 +0000 UTCI personally think it will be bipartisan. The Patriot Act and the war on terror was bipartisan. And the original stolen election (2000) done by Republicans but was not challenged by the dems.
Lucy McGillicuddy
2024-11-13 05:32:12 +0000 UTCAaron, thank you for mentioning the railroad strike. I STILL don’t have a single sick day.
Ceruleania
2024-11-13 04:35:05 +0000 UTCA request: If Tom listens to the uk coverage on the radio I’d like to know how close on a scale of one to ten how far goose is away from telling UK fans from going to the battle box?
Jackman Ochs
2024-11-13 03:59:38 +0000 UTCplease
Daniel E
2024-11-13 03:46:35 +0000 UTCyeah i'm still confused by the whole split-feed thing
Karl Childers
2024-11-13 01:25:48 +0000 UTCI like how 5 people liked this because I posted it to the wrong account. I meant to make this comment in Chapo’s chat 😂
Jessica Rios
2024-11-13 00:27:06 +0000 UTCPhenomenal posting.
Jilly
2024-11-12 23:07:49 +0000 UTCReally wish yall would put all the episodes on this feed smdh
Trevor
2024-11-12 22:34:31 +0000 UTCbars
Craven Moorehead
2024-11-12 21:26:50 +0000 UTClol, "we don't put industry out of business"? ok, so where is all the industry that was in the rust belt?
mexicanhalloween .
2024-11-12 20:40:18 +0000 UTCIf we get any kind of fascism in America, it will be ushered in by the Democrats.
Guy Incognito
2024-11-12 20:16:56 +0000 UTCIt's the same thing with Trump in general. Trump is a shitty human being, sure, but he's been a political figure for a decade now. We had him as president for four of those years, and in that entire decade things have been gradually getting worse for everyone regardless of who is in charge. You can only press the "Trump is a threat to democracy" button so many times before people start tuning it out. Sure, the average voter's political IQ is low, but they're not ignorant to what's going on around them.
Guy Incognito
2024-11-12 20:15:32 +0000 UTCRegarding the escaped apes, I remember back in 2016 when I was a stupid Hilary supporter. I was complaining about the election results at work, and my boss who is a wealthy, Rockefeller-style Republican but otherwise a kind person said to me, "The Democrats had eight years to run the country. Now it's Trump's turn to see what he can do." I feel the same way. Humans have had several millennia to have dominion over the earth. I say we give the apes a chance to see what they can do.
Guy Incognito
2024-11-12 20:07:07 +0000 UTCMy mother in law said “Kamala gonna raise the child tax credit to 6k” I said it was 10k for a while under Trump.. MIL: yeah but that was due to COVID. Me: ok so Biden lowered it by 5k during COVID. Wow that’s pretty fucked up. MIL: well…
McMiller
2024-11-12 19:02:20 +0000 UTCVirginia Woolf drowned herself, per what Aaron said. She filled her coat pockets with stones and waded into the River Ouse in Sussex, England.
Drury Wellford
2024-11-12 17:20:47 +0000 UTCThe best job I ever had was being a cashier at a convenience store. I love that job so much. If it paid me a living wage, I would still be there today. Now I’m a coder and I make great money, but I still would rather work at the gas station.
Jessica Rios
2024-11-12 17:11:43 +0000 UTCIn Mississippi, Dobbs resulted in the closure of our only abortion clinic. It is now an expensive furniture consignment store
Molly Aleksandra
2024-11-12 14:17:24 +0000 UTCit was sylvia plath who stuck her head in the oven
ashley noelle
2024-11-12 13:39:37 +0000 UTCYes—The first batch have already been sent out—next batch due to receive next week, they’ll go out shortly after that. Thanks for your patience.
Trillbilly Worker's Party
2024-11-12 12:18:25 +0000 UTCThe New Deal was a means to placate the rising socialist and communist movements in the US. The New Deal saved capitalism and neutered said political movements.
Mitch Byrd
2024-11-12 11:31:14 +0000 UTCAre the t-shirts expected to be sent out anytime soon?
stephanie morgan
2024-11-12 08:53:12 +0000 UTCCould you not incessantly joke about suicide. It's crass af
johland
2024-11-12 08:49:22 +0000 UTCSaw a story about them thinking the armadillos are riding on barges and happen to hop off along the river. Saw one in Owen Co, north of Frankfort
CreeksideCringe
2024-11-12 04:16:12 +0000 UTCIndeed. Sylvia Plath used the oven comrades.
K Robinson
2024-11-12 03:10:30 +0000 UTCYo I just saw those monkeys
Mikey MC
2024-11-12 00:58:17 +0000 UTCI don’t think the dobbs decision has as much valence anymore because the last few years, the minute the dems need anything, they hit the abortion button. Need 100mil to lose a race in fucking Texas? Abortion. Need to rent out the la half-sphere for ads? Hey, donate to stop abortion stopping. Need lunch? Donate to my preserve abortion fund to help me pay my brother in law 300k a year
William
2024-11-12 00:40:48 +0000 UTCAlso if you think for even 2 seconds about that argument you realize something very important. If you vote for the lesser of two evils every single election, you guarantee two things. 1) you’re getting evil either way, lesser or not 2) the next “lesser of two evils” will be more evil than the current one. Eventually, you reach a point where you have the option of an open embrace of genocide, or an open embrace of genocide with a rainbow sticker slapped on the bombs
Cthulhusbedandbreakfast
2024-11-12 00:39:05 +0000 UTCI appreciate that TWP brought back their A+ platform of getting the nukes into the hands of the proletariat 🫡 🫡
SF
2024-11-12 00:17:00 +0000 UTCThey should just have Aaron’s mother on and cut out the middleman
Uso Dayo
2024-11-12 00:09:16 +0000 UTCHillbillies = druids
Rubicon Crossing Guard
2024-11-12 00:08:48 +0000 UTCGood convo. The first plank of the PSL platform was to seize the top 100 corporations.
Warbs
2024-11-11 23:31:04 +0000 UTCnot a bad episode
auf die Welle
2024-11-11 23:16:10 +0000 UTCBoys, we might have the first President to blow their brains out in the oval office. - T. Ray
auf die Welle
2024-11-11 23:14:14 +0000 UTCIf we’re talking about future content - some of my favorite episodes are the ones dunking on these dipshit essayists
William
2024-11-11 22:54:43 +0000 UTCBessner is Brilliant.
Joe S.
2024-11-11 22:53:23 +0000 UTCwelcome to the Thomas Frank is a dipshit club. some old guys rightfully annoyed by the Democratic Party of the last 40 years think that they somehow dug up the golden plates of American populism in the soil of wherever.
Nora Connor
2024-11-11 22:40:10 +0000 UTCDaniel Bessner's work (American Prestige podcast) on the fascism debate just absolutely shreds the libs perpetually amorphous and totally ahistorical conception of the term. Of course I enjoy watching pseudo intellectuals get destroyed in real time, but I also enjoy his work because it accents issues raised by decolonial theorists about the true nature of liberal democracy and imperialism both aboard and during the colonization of North America.
Jennifer Hammerhead
2024-11-11 22:27:26 +0000 UTCJD kill yourself 2026 🥰
Violet
2024-11-11 22:22:03 +0000 UTCwhat now
William
2024-11-11 21:49:45 +0000 UTCThe only thing I’m sure of is that I’m so sick of everyone doing their election post mortem. Present company excluded, of course
William
2024-11-11 21:49:14 +0000 UTC"Here's our offer: you willingly sign over all your assets to us, and you get a 2 minute head-start. AND you get to keep your shoes on".
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-11-11 21:47:59 +0000 UTCThe sell from people I know on Kamala was ‘sure Kamala is bad on (everything) but trump is worse.’ Yea maybe, but it’s not super motivating to spend my effort and attention on.
Sammy
2024-11-11 21:18:06 +0000 UTCNo King Act? I thought they already did that in Memphis 68, ba dum tish, rassel-dazzel.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-11-11 21:17:40 +0000 UTCThey're thinking of Sylvia Plath
N
2024-11-11 21:06:17 +0000 UTCsay it with me boys: virginia woolf put stones in her pockets and walked into the river, sylvia plath turned on the oven gas, and JDV will OD on tylenol because contrary to what he wants you to think he doesn’t know shit about opioids
hhannahh
2024-11-11 20:52:55 +0000 UTCEconomic populism is economism, which is opportunism that leads to reformism and doesn't lead to revolution. New Deal was economism, which saved capitalism during a time when we should've moved towards socialism. Then began the fascist covert war against communism in the global south that led to Neoliberalism.
_tarrvis
2024-11-11 20:44:13 +0000 UTCShare our wealth 2028
Elfriede
2024-11-11 20:40:01 +0000 UTCJD Vance will take himself out over spurious assertion of twink-death.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-11-11 20:38:37 +0000 UTCTarence 👨🏻🍳 on this ep
David Exelby
2024-11-11 20:25:28 +0000 UTCyoung thug is free and that's good, so is this episode.
not jd3
2024-11-11 20:17:45 +0000 UTCVirginia drowned herself
Gabe
2024-11-11 20:14:25 +0000 UTCHAHAHAHAHA I love that
CJ
2024-11-11 20:08:31 +0000 UTCUnrelated but these comments look like two cats having a conversation.
Grant
2024-11-11 20:06:48 +0000 UTCDon’t be a menace to south central, but with JD Vance as the “milk of magnesia”
Feedbag
2024-11-11 19:59:40 +0000 UTCHell yeah, I was checking my phone off and on today for a new episode. (Feeling lazy and sleepy.)
Spiders in a Trenchcoat
2024-11-11 19:57:57 +0000 UTCStill fucking owning Elizabeth Warren. What a petty bitch. Can’t help but respect it.
Richard Cochnar
2024-11-11 19:51:19 +0000 UTCGood god I’m the first comment and it’s a correction wtf is wrong with me, I need to take a long hard look at my life.
CJ
2024-11-11 19:44:18 +0000 UTCThank you haha was about to comment that. My inner English major was screaming the answer lol.
Grant
2024-11-11 19:44:09 +0000 UTCSylvia Plath put her head in the oven, Virginia walked into the sea.
CJ
2024-11-11 19:43:38 +0000 UTCNo war but class war
BloomingmyBerg
2024-11-11 19:42:12 +0000 UTC
