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Added 2024-10-14 18:39:04 +0000 UTCAll the latest developments from this week, followed by a goofy article from The Atlantic's famed Ideas section about a new way to think about Columbus Day
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my favorite hare brained compromise was an irish unionist proposing a flag for a united ireland that was similar to the Australian flag, the union jack in the upper left corner and the irish coat of arms where the southern cross is
Fingerless
2024-12-01 01:38:42 +0000 UTCThere’s nothing like the moment when Tarence is reading something absolutely diabolical out loud and knowing that Aaron is about to let out a cry of anguish from so deep within you want to pat him on the back and tell him it’s going to be ok
gray
2024-10-20 22:00:38 +0000 UTCTerence please share the titles of the books you're reading 🙏 I just Black Reconstruction from the library!
❣️
2024-10-20 06:00:52 +0000 UTCPratfall if she loses.. or wins.. Just depends on who's got that extra shitcushion!
Chicken Man Cory
2024-10-18 05:31:10 +0000 UTCklobuchar is absolutely the kind of person who for her whole life has consistently misunderstood someone staring "ugh, stop helping" daggers at her as "keep going, you're on fire".
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-17 16:19:39 +0000 UTC"Brat Fall? More like pratfall, amirite?"
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-17 16:12:36 +0000 UTCIronically I've kinda been falling out with the tenant work lately due to the Palestine actions tiring out the teensy energy I have.
Spiders in a Trenchcoat
2024-10-17 12:12:14 +0000 UTCI really appreciate you three! I’m an old skate punk who ran with a wonderful group including black bloc activists in the Netherlands in the 80’s. It’s refreshing to hear young like minded folks from the “South” I say that because the media I grew up with, never had your voices, so thank you. Much love and respect to you and yours!
Aaron Hraba
2024-10-16 21:12:08 +0000 UTCwas thinking about Sudan and how we are going to end up with something similar to their current rule, a Transitional Legislative Government led by Bernie Sanders and Dick Cheney
BROTHER TO BROTHER
2024-10-16 20:41:49 +0000 UTCIf Columbus is Jewish I can’t wait for Israel to defend him posthumously
Zach H.
2024-10-16 18:13:17 +0000 UTCUsed to be married to a line medic who went to Iraq. He told me the same story. It was one of many despicable stories he told me about his time there.
J
2024-10-16 17:11:38 +0000 UTCThe hypocrisy and delusion is out of control. It’s a feature of colonialism. I remember I book I read opened with a painting of "the last Indian" being presented with a descendant of said native depicted in the painting present
Remy
2024-10-16 16:20:43 +0000 UTCThank you king. I too was incredibly moved by it. The parallels just in this one passage are almost too much to bear. As a Jewish Daniel, this genocide feels like our final rite of passage affirming our place in the community of whiteness.
Daniel E
2024-10-16 15:46:43 +0000 UTC“When a white man kills an Indian in a fair fight it is called honorable, but when an Indian kills a white man in a fair fight it is called murder. When a white army battles Indians and wins it is called a great victory, but if they lose it is called a massacre and bigger armies are raised. If the Indian flees before the advance of such armies, when he tries to return he finds that white men are living where he lived. If he tries to fight off such armies, he is killed and the land is taken anyway. When an Indian is killed it is a great loss which leaves a gap in our people and a sorrow in our heart. The white man seeks to conquer nature, to bend it to his will and to use it wastefully until it is all gone and then he simply moves on, leaving the waste behind him and looking for new places to take. The whole white race is a monster who is always hungry and what he eats is land.” -Chiksika to Tecumseh March 19, 1779.
Daniel
2024-10-16 15:25:05 +0000 UTCFrom one Daniel to another… i saw Tarence tweet a pic of this quote a couple weeks ago. I found it very profound. Looks like it is from “Allan Eckert’s Sorrow in Our Heart: The Life of Tecumseh”
Daniel
2024-10-16 15:24:04 +0000 UTCAaron is 100% spot on if genocide isn’t your red line you don’t have one! Also regarding immigration Biden is on track to deport more people than Trump and Obama deported more people than both combined. Fascists all the way down
gavin curran
2024-10-16 14:18:41 +0000 UTCThe US isn’t more fascist than it was 40 years ago, it’s pretty much as fascist as it has always been, except with the declining rate of profit, there’s less to go around after the rich take what they perceive to be “their share”
William
2024-10-16 13:56:24 +0000 UTCMore like fricken DORK amirite folks
William
2024-10-16 13:29:14 +0000 UTCIsreal is plausible deniability for the US actions, in the same way that CIA handlers cultivate “assets” who accomplish the same goals as the CIA, without the agency’s direct involvement
William
2024-10-16 13:28:36 +0000 UTCit's 400 UN workers, not peacekeepers.
Abdulla Faraz
2024-10-16 12:52:32 +0000 UTCCan you share a text version of the quote from Tecumseh’s brother about the white man’s hunger for land? I cannot find it… (and the book title!)
Daniel E
2024-10-16 02:02:34 +0000 UTCThe article should just be titled "Separate the Art from the Artist"
Kallie Schell
2024-10-16 01:10:06 +0000 UTCkamala ... a million loan march
FarmerNed
2024-10-15 23:46:39 +0000 UTCI doubt it. All you’ll get is more scolding.
Brendan Garcia
2024-10-15 22:23:36 +0000 UTCConor Friedersdorf is like America’s brightest 6th grader
Brendan Garcia
2024-10-15 22:20:00 +0000 UTCThis will be my first time voting green (voted for Biden in 2020) and I've decided this is my way to show them I here and voting, just not for republicans wearing blue. I'll show up to vote but if the want me to punch a ticket for them, they gotta earn it.
Armadillo_leaf
2024-10-15 20:47:12 +0000 UTCWe got one in Panama City a few years ago and I was thrilled. Had never heard of it before. They gave you legitimately twice as much food as a fast food chain, for a dollar or two less money.
Andrew Dunn
2024-10-15 20:47:05 +0000 UTCI would love to get blown away Robocop-style in a voting booth.
ben shull
2024-10-15 20:32:23 +0000 UTCThanks again for your excellent analysis
Aaron Hraba
2024-10-15 19:47:44 +0000 UTCI mean, we’ve all seen those maps with the scary sea creatures and mermaids on them - very risky!
Michelle
2024-10-15 18:28:00 +0000 UTCMan the kind of person that could violate the trust of a child for fun is a soulless freak
BookMisser
2024-10-15 18:09:52 +0000 UTCYeah the next time you all can’t bring yourself to talk about politics! I get it. I try and read New York Times coverage of climate change (bc occasionally they have important articles like the leaked methane detection work from years ago). But the coverage is so brutally misleading and grenwashy that my eyes just slide right off the page. Like I can’t even take the words in sometimes.
BookMisser
2024-10-15 18:07:58 +0000 UTCI wonder if hallmark ever printed happy Lee-Jackson-King day cards? I lived in Richmond most of that time but I couldn’t tell you what on earth a formal celebration looks like
BookMisser
2024-10-15 18:00:32 +0000 UTCI don’t know if folks mentioned this yet but Virginia had Lee-Jackson-King day for like 15 years.
BookMisser
2024-10-15 17:52:28 +0000 UTCEctopic presidency
michael benham
2024-10-15 16:58:52 +0000 UTCThe Hopewell mounds park in Ross County Ohio doesn’t get a whole lot of attention. I guess not enough people want to drive around next to the prison to look at old trash piles, but the center of the park’s little museum is pretty great.
Eva
2024-10-15 15:42:32 +0000 UTCThis was the fun stuff My sergeant promised me I would get to do Overseas when deployed.
Evan
2024-10-15 15:29:56 +0000 UTCAnother story they told me was. They would throw Gatorades out to the kids from the backs of the humvees when they passed through town and soldiers would fill the Gatorades with their pee and throw them out along with the other gaterades.
Evan
2024-10-15 15:22:36 +0000 UTCBefore I forget I gotta do this voice to text on the way to work. I'm was a medic in the Army and my teachers above me tell me stories about when they were in Iraq. They would give candy out to the kids and the kids with clambering over.They thought it was the coolest thing in the world.And so some soldiers would go over the hand out candy and when All the kids ran over to get the candy, they would fire off his M4 rifle straight up into the air and scare the kids away for fun.
Evan
2024-10-15 15:20:05 +0000 UTCheard from a friend of mine in NYC that the 311 app showed that trash collection was suspended for "Indigenous Peoples Day and Italian heritage day" which is honestly more lucid than World Explorers Day
zoë hayden
2024-10-15 14:25:33 +0000 UTCSaid it before and I’ll say it again. Checking out of the election because both sides suck isn’t a gallant move. Invest that vote in The Green Party that at least reps Left policies. The sooner they become a viable 3rd Party (all it takes it to hit over 5%) and the next election you watch those Dems scramble to have and also come through w the demands and needs of the Working Class. 💚✊🏾✊🏼✊🏿💚🇺🇸
MYK’L ROCKS
2024-10-15 13:30:40 +0000 UTCThis was a very good episode.
Sean Dickey
2024-10-15 12:18:34 +0000 UTCThe Starship Troopers Laurence Dennis-crats
Trey
2024-10-15 11:50:52 +0000 UTCI feel like the motivators and ideological frames of all the powerful folks come from their bourgeois connections to the donor and capitalist class. And on Gaza, it's simple depopulation of a group that doesn't matter to them(it's so small, is what they will say), as well as one in resistance to the liberal capitalist order (Marxist guerrillas fighting alongside Islamist, fbow commies and conservatives fighting side by side)
Trey
2024-10-15 11:49:37 +0000 UTCYa I voted cease fire again on my mail in ballot not that it'll do much in Massachusetts but at least my conscience is clean
Eric Murphy
2024-10-15 10:41:23 +0000 UTCThe museum is so sick!!! Try and get to serpents mound in southern Ohio, it’s incredible. It also was built in this area that was hit by a large meteorite, so you’re in this really weird depression and get like no radio or cell signal in that area. Very interesting.
Afton
2024-10-15 09:54:12 +0000 UTCI need a whole episode about the mound culture and Mississippian peoples!! Cahokia was a larger/more populated city than London in 1000 AD!!
Afton
2024-10-15 09:52:38 +0000 UTCI’m here for it!! Been to Cahokia, Serpents Mound, trying to get down to Louisiana to see the mound structures there as well.
Afton
2024-10-15 09:50:49 +0000 UTCYou guys how you can get through to people who vote for democrats. Well you got through to me. Can’t do it anymore. Thank you for this podcast, it’s really given me clarity on the reality of this election.
Nate Bridges
2024-10-15 09:46:18 +0000 UTCShout-out to Panama City for having the only Tudor's Biscuit World south of Kentucky. And a Whataburger, and a Culver's. If you want to find your own regional fast food place outside of your region, it's in Panama City for some reason.
Andrew Dunn
2024-10-15 08:16:34 +0000 UTCI also get that reaction when I try to talk about mounds 😔
Steven
2024-10-15 04:16:26 +0000 UTCTerrance almost said "ectopic presidency" and, somehow, that feels accurate as well as hilarious.
Emily Epstein (unrelated to the bad guy)
2024-10-15 02:03:55 +0000 UTCConnor Friedersdorf sounds like me writing my first 5 paragraph essay in 8th grade.
Christopher McCollum
2024-10-15 01:31:00 +0000 UTCI went to Cahokia as my vacation this summer, the museum was closed but it was a beautiful sunny day, especially from the top of the primary mound. It'd probably be an 8 hr drive or more from Whitesburg, but I guarantee it's worth it.
Benjamin Robertson
2024-10-15 00:50:34 +0000 UTCdoing "harm reduction voting" has been a common refrain for people roughly on "the democratic side of voting". I honestly think that rehabilitating Cheney - out of nowhere, and to the appeasement of basically nobody - is absolutely going to be a big factor for a bunch of people (and definitely anyone who is young enough to be "very online" all the time). I really don't get it; it's "Hillary's emails" but real and way, way, way, way, way worse in terms of turning off people who already had very mixed feelings about voting for Kamala. It honestly feels unprecedented as pointless, desperate moves go. It's very akin to Hillary's "Reagan as president helped open up the national discussion about AIDS [flattering; not back-handed]". ...but probably a lot worse, because only gays, leftists and gay-adjacent people actually care about keeping actual track on stuff like Reagan's role with AIDS in america, whereas literally everyone - american or not - has some kind of mental relationship with Cheney, and which more often than not is something akin to "being asked to touch a wolf-spider, and roughly as relatable if it was human shaped". If it turns out- a year or two from now - that this was the reason Kamala lost the election, then absolutely well deserved. It's such a completely unforced error, from a person (Kamala) who already has a problem coming across as a real human to normal people, and not a female version of the cockroach-guy from the first Men In Black movie. ...it's a pretty far drop from the time when she doing "everytin' gonna be iree, I smoka da doobie" was her most flop-sweaty and nakedly pathetic attempt at swinging for the favor of people who would never not see that for what it was. This is actually inexcusable. She deserves to eat shit in public. Unfortunately, her eating shit means Trump is in, and then it's individual game-theory whether or not that would be a good thing in the long run. ..as "harm reduction-logic" goes, this is probably the hardest election americans have had in recent history, by "virtue" of how openly gross the ostensible leader of the democratic party is behaving. It truly is something else. //EDIT: Hillary should 100% kill herself for doing that. Don't care at all if this ever comes back at me, and I don't have a jokey way to communicate it. She should end her life by her own hand for saying that Reagan played a leading role in making AIDS something america could talk about, and not the exact opposite; that he was the main spoke in the wheel whose inaction and open ridicule of AIDS lead to countless people dying needlessly before it became politically expedient to address it. In that way, the rehabilitation of Reagan by Hillary is somewhat similar to Kamala's rehabilitation of Cheney. Except - as I said - a lot more people are intimately aware of Cheney's deal, and the pay-off for rehabilitating him is "a couple of thousand more votes, maybe, spread across the country" in exchange for very likely turning off tens of millions.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-15 00:31:31 +0000 UTCThe ocean or the paper?
William
2024-10-15 00:15:15 +0000 UTC“Welp” *open palm slaps thighs and starts to get up*
William
2024-10-15 00:13:32 +0000 UTCWhen I moved to a new school district in 5th grade, the calendar still had MLK Day AND Robert E. Lee Day, which were on the same day. This was in 2002. Big change for me when coming from Martin Luther King Elementary.
Mcjibbs
2024-10-14 23:47:16 +0000 UTCMy first comment.
Travis Dalenberg
2024-10-14 23:45:13 +0000 UTCI loved the Midwest goodbye here- must have said "I know we're closing out" a dozen times... and I'm glad they didn't!
Warbs
2024-10-14 23:38:12 +0000 UTCThe real reason "dude, you gotta give it up for Christopher Columbus" is cancelled is that it's a sentiment almost exclusive to profoundly annoying italian-american Long Island shitheads, and maybe the one uncle in the family that makes a big deal about "being into history".
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-14 23:26:15 +0000 UTCI love Aaron’s takes but don’t like his new closed-mouth voice.
Jawn Feddermang
2024-10-14 23:17:17 +0000 UTCI think a lot of it comes down to a poverty of choice. There are 2 "viable parties", so it's your job to make voting for one of them at least arguably defensible. I'd like to think that people aren't dumb, and a big part of "all this bullshit" is simply that, and they are on some level very aware of what they are doing. If there was even one more party that was collectively understood as legitimate to vote for, a lot of this nonsense self-justifying (if not consciously self-lying) would decrease immensely. Obviously, there are many parties in the US. The real problem is that most of them - currently - are widely regarded as something you vote for if you want to be performative in how little you care about voting, or construed as spitefully trying to sway the election in favor of whatever party is understood to be "the worst". (ie, every vote that isn't for the dems, if you're not a republican, helps the republicans, etc). Two-party systems kinda naturally create this dynamic, and it gets worse the more time passes (and as the two parties accrue money and other resources to nip any up-and-coming contenders in the bud). It's a big reason why it's such a spectacularly bad system.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-14 22:42:50 +0000 UTCThey are going to do Project 2025 under Kamala and they are going to clap for it
Warbs
2024-10-14 22:34:42 +0000 UTCthank you for continuing to talk about Palestine even if it seems doom & gloom. I am watching these videos and constantly feel like I’m going insane. it helps me process it in some way, to know that other people are seeing & feeling the same things. I know it isnt easy to find a way to discuss it after all this time
Veronica
2024-10-14 22:27:26 +0000 UTCIt really has gotten to the points where I see people who I legitimately respect and believe they have good politics talk themselves into mental gymnastics, and I've done it too, over Kamala. The Israel stuff and the Cheney endorsement and all of this right wing pivot is them telling us which way the party is shifting. Dems and "Leftists" who are trying to read between the lines sound like Republicans trying to explain why Trump doesn't actually mean what he says. At this point, their actions and words are lining up and are telling everyone exactly where this ship is going.
Jonathan Howard
2024-10-14 22:26:31 +0000 UTCThat’s what the Special Economic Zones are for!
Baron
2024-10-14 22:07:45 +0000 UTCI don't think we're reentering anything. We never left imperialism. The contradictions between capitalist nations continue to accumulate and express themselves in war, surprising nobody. The world today is the same one parenti talked about a million times, just minus the countervailing force of the soviets.
Sai
2024-10-14 21:57:22 +0000 UTCThat’s heroic bravery and skill according to the Atlantic!
Richard Cochnar
2024-10-14 21:40:53 +0000 UTCIt's awesome to go to a place, be wrong, get corrected, and double down. - You guys are indians. - We're literally not. - ...yeah, but you're indian though.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-14 21:38:34 +0000 UTCLook, orienteering is hard, ok? Sometimes you forget to turn the map with the compass.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-14 21:33:19 +0000 UTCAs an explorer Columbus showed heroic bravery and skill? MF thought he landed in FUCKING INDIA.
Richard Cochnar
2024-10-14 21:26:26 +0000 UTCNice to hear from all three of you today 🙂
AL
2024-10-14 21:16:27 +0000 UTCMy history pickled brain remembers the Germans committed the Holocaust while we looked the other way. I also remember the nazis studied our racial laws when writing the Nuremberg laws. Long story short we should've gave the jews Bavaria or Montana.
Michael Wadman
2024-10-14 21:13:42 +0000 UTC"these natives arguably did the bigger crime: not being perfect victims. So, I guess that puts our spoofs and goofs as explorers at about even-steven, morally speaking." *puts newspaper-hat on head, honks kazoo*
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-14 20:59:54 +0000 UTCI'll check it out!
Brant
2024-10-14 20:57:50 +0000 UTCHappy Day of Yeehawd y’all!
August Gardener
2024-10-14 20:55:48 +0000 UTCIt wasn’t Gonzalez it was the Alex Accosted ya
Wilford
2024-10-14 20:55:44 +0000 UTCBrb, gonna explore my neighbors house for gold
William
2024-10-14 20:55:37 +0000 UTCI don’t think he’d do that- they need the cheap labor
William
2024-10-14 20:54:44 +0000 UTCTHESE CUNTS WERE “EXPLORING” LAND THAT WAS ALREADY POPULATED BY HUMAN BEINGS
William
2024-10-14 20:54:15 +0000 UTCi’m flattered; i don’t think i’ll ever be able to think hard enough about it.
big bruh
2024-10-14 20:53:51 +0000 UTCThat book is why i think the US isn’t going to decline in power for another 20-30 years, but also why i think China is the next host for capitalism
William
2024-10-14 20:49:22 +0000 UTCYou CANT reach these people, you can only try to explain things after they’ve been changed by their experiences
William
2024-10-14 20:44:50 +0000 UTCI mean, it’s not funny, and Vance is an added threat with Trump. Heads they win, tails we lose
William
2024-10-14 20:42:07 +0000 UTCI have the website, I'm going to try to get a book as a Christmas present. But thank you.
Marcus
2024-10-14 20:37:45 +0000 UTCI think you're thinking too hard about it. America will not condemn or hold Israel accountable because Israel is doing things that America is entirely okay with. Edit: "what's more american than israel?" is 100% accurate.
Some Guy
2024-10-14 20:37:43 +0000 UTCThat's basically been where I'm at. When Trump was in office it seemed like liberals had some spine. It's been repeated ad nauseum but example is obviously that when Biden took office they stopped caring about kids in cages, and now Kamala is taking a pretty clear anti-immigration stance to court the right liberals.
Some Guy
2024-10-14 20:36:36 +0000 UTCI think Trump might use the migration crisis to invade Mexico and establish like an occupied border strip. Curious what Greg Grandin is thinking on this, though he did just get a new manuscript finished last month.
Baron
2024-10-14 20:36:27 +0000 UTCHow did we manage a Tudors built in Florida before Lexington?
Seth Jarrell
2024-10-14 20:36:25 +0000 UTCI feel like we’re finally getting to watch the whole Giovanni Arrighi theory of decline play out in the next couple years.
Baron
2024-10-14 20:34:16 +0000 UTCHave you read the Asad Haider piece on Palestine and Land? It’s in Viewpoint Mag, really good essay
Baron
2024-10-14 20:33:22 +0000 UTCWas that Adam Curtis?
Wilford
2024-10-14 20:31:16 +0000 UTCMore like lord strokes
Wilford
2024-10-14 20:30:40 +0000 UTCIt sounds like if the democrats win, it will be despite their best efforts. They seem pretty intent on finding out where most people's "man, fuck these people" threshold is.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-14 20:29:35 +0000 UTCIt’s funny how this could be the harm reduction vote, if only to blunt the odds of going to war somewhere. Probably would raise tensions domestically, given that last time, shitty people saw that as confirmation that they could do whatever they wanted
William
2024-10-14 20:23:26 +0000 UTCIf Trump wins, maybe the Libs will actually give a shit about all the awful things happening again. When Biden first dropped I was totally willing to punch one in for Kamala—for about a week. But annoying liberals disabused me of that notion very quickly. Early voted for Jill Stein cause she was the most left wing person on my ballot.
Richard Cochnar
2024-10-14 20:09:40 +0000 UTCCoates is a liberal but decolonization is a basic liberal position. The genocide in Gaza is so clear cut that even a liberal should be on the right side of it. Which is horrifying that so many “liberals” aren’t
jabrd
2024-10-14 20:05:16 +0000 UTCThat too.
Al Harris
2024-10-14 19:53:46 +0000 UTCor, and, facing the mirror in acknowledgment of our country’s heralded, historic, perpetual mission: procedural & codified dehumanization justifying the righteous slaughter and displacement of centuries of generations of people, pursuant to an aspirational future, knee-capped by the “irresolvable fundamental contradictions” therein. what’s more american than israel?
big bruh
2024-10-14 19:49:16 +0000 UTCI realized America will not ever condemn or hold Israel accountable, because it means holding itself accountable for countless horrors of Vietnam and Global War on Terror
Al Harris
2024-10-14 19:42:56 +0000 UTCHer name is mina and she just made me a badass book. Heres the link: https://www.thirdeyewide.us/
Steven
2024-10-14 19:31:27 +0000 UTCMina!
Trillbilly Worker's Party
2024-10-14 19:29:55 +0000 UTCWe need more people to be mound pilled; no one ever seems to want to listen to my tangent
Mae Berens
2024-10-14 19:19:41 +0000 UTCTotally agree on the land question. We need to revisit Marx, and others in the tradition, on the agrarian question and it's link to the national question as well.
Brant
2024-10-14 19:08:00 +0000 UTCThe shift from subversive economic power to overt military power probably is due, in some part, to the degradation of the US/anglo hegemony. With declining profits and pending global catastrophe, there’s less reason to let the western developed world control the raw materials
William
2024-10-14 19:06:52 +0000 UTCAll ruminants need the salt just different formulas based on species (I have llamas and sheep)
gavin curran
2024-10-14 19:00:50 +0000 UTCDamn really would love a mailbag episode from you boys. I know that’s something you’ve not done but with this pivotal year I’d love to hear some back and forth with the community
Kranky
2024-10-14 18:58:42 +0000 UTCSalt Block licks are for dairy cows
Kenneth Merriman
2024-10-14 18:53:43 +0000 UTCDoes anyone remember the guest they had on that made custom books?
Marcus
2024-10-14 18:52:59 +0000 UTCIt’s okay, i lived in Arizona for a bit, i can say that
William
2024-10-14 18:42:34 +0000 UTCHere we go YALL
William
2024-10-14 18:42:03 +0000 UTC
