Game of Thrones 5x6 | Watch Along
Added 2025-02-13 16:01:03 +0000 UTC
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I really wanted Theon to snap out of it and do something to Ramsay in that end scene.
Joe Blankenship
2025-03-05 03:43:56 +0000 UTCPeople gave them grief because this wasn't the first or second time when they decided to deviate from the source material and turn a consensual sex scene into sexual assault. They did it with Dany and Drogo's wedding night, in the book it was awkward but consensual, people gave them the benefit of the doubt. They did it with Jaime sexually assaulting Cersei in front Joffrey's body, in the book it was consensual, people were livid. There was literally no point to it and they went on to pretend like it never happened. Cersei just gets over it and is hot for brother again. This scene with Sansai was them doing it for a third time. It never happened in the book and people were just done with them at that point. After the gratutious sexual assault scenes at Caster's in the previous season people were rape fatigued and in all their creative wisdom, with everything they could've done with Sansa's character, after setting up that she's ready to play the game... they decided the best plot for her is to have her raped. That is why, to this day, they get grief for it.
Athasin
2025-02-17 06:32:49 +0000 UTCWell... the main issue is that it is a massive deviation from the source material... and one that they really didn't earn, since it really doesn't make much sense for any of the characters involved
Ietseatapples
2025-02-16 14:14:18 +0000 UTCLol for a moment I thought you were the guy that played Ser Hugh in the first season that they recast for House of the Dragon but that's Jefferson Hall xD
Christophe
2025-02-15 23:33:31 +0000 UTCI think it's because this is the episode that really made it clear to viewers how far the show runners were going to deviate from the books and what their priorities were going to be. This season was kind of uncharted territory when it first came out because even though we haven't technically run out of book material yet, it's the first where they intentionally and massively shift away from the book plot. And to some degree for good reason, the book storylines become sort of unmanageabe to adapt for TV, with new characters and plotlines and settings being introduced all over the place in books 4 and 5. This is also the first season where GRRM stopped really being creatively involved, so the showrunners were much more on their own. And having one of the first things they do on their own being the rape of an underage girl that wasn't even in the books... yeah, it kind of shows their colors and how they would approach the writing, especially that of the female characters. I agree though, that on a rewatch, it's not as jarring as I remember. Like it all seemed to inevitably lead up to this and the scene was thankfully not as explicit as it could have been. And the writing had been steadily getting worse for a while now (I mean, don't get me started on the sand snakes), so it should be kind of expected. But yeah, at that time, I don't think people thought they were actually gonna go there, especially because it's not in the books.
Christophe
2025-02-15 23:22:58 +0000 UTCNot even close. It's a funny line but not much more. Just a typical D&D line that would be more at home in a sitcom than a fantasy drama. It's no wonder the girls haven't been able to take the show seriously for a while now, it's all become a bit dumb.
Christophe
2025-02-15 23:14:13 +0000 UTC@letseatapples I think that's closer to the truth. Saying D&D hate Sansa is kind of missing the point of how D&D think about women and female characters in media. It's such a shame because GRRM was particularly known for how well he writes his women, how fleshed out and deep and real and complicated they are. D&D think the only way a woman can grow as a character is either to endure hardship of some sort (which probably includes rape) or to become a mother. And the only way a woman can be strong is to essentially be like Cersei, a hard bitch who takes no shit from men because that's what feminism is. It's so dumb.
Christophe
2025-02-15 23:12:25 +0000 UTCIt makes sense on a surface level. On the surface, it makes sense for Roose to unify the North by marrying his heir to the Stark heir. On the surface, it makes sense for Littlefinger to marry off Sansa because he's obsessed with Cat not Sansa. Sansa is just a way for him to vicariously be with Cat post death, but he also gets off on punishing Ned's daughter post death. We can't forget he's a pimp who sends women to other men to be broken so they're easier to control. We can't forget what he did to Roz. By marrying Sansa to the Boltons he turns the Boltons and the Lannisters against each other the same way he turned the Starks and the Lannisters/Baratheons against each other all the while breaking Sansa so she's ready for him when he becomes Warden of the North... It makes sense as an obvious plot but it's not the same deep writing we've been accustomed to so it seems all the more shallow. Because what will never make sense is Sansa agreeing to marry the son of the man who killed her brother and mother all because Littlefinger told her too.
Athasin
2025-02-15 03:01:42 +0000 UTCHey fellow who dat!! Welcome to the party!
OldManGrim
2025-02-15 02:13:59 +0000 UTCI get the ending getting a negative reaction, but I remember this live and entire websites stopped covering the series because of it and on second watch...I really don't see what made it so bad? And before anybody comes at me as not understanding SA, I myself am a victim. It is a visceral scene and I don't dismiss criticism, but the level of grief leveled at this episode is a bit much.
OldManGrim
2025-02-15 02:13:35 +0000 UTCI also love how people question where Arya is but no one ever guesses elaborate funeral home.
Athasin
2025-02-15 02:04:36 +0000 UTC"The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant". - Best line of the series.
Jonathan Blaze
2025-02-15 00:42:43 +0000 UTCI honestly don't blame you. This rewatch with them has made me realize that, I don't think I ever actually watched season 5 live like I did the other seasons. My memories of 1-4, and 6-8 are way more vivid than 5. And after watching reactions of it, I don't think I missed out on anything.
Athasin
2025-02-14 22:51:27 +0000 UTCThank you for teaching me a new word.
Athasin
2025-02-14 22:41:53 +0000 UTCD&D don't hate Sansa nor do they think she "deserves to be raped".. Its actually sorta worse than that. They think sexual assault can be used as a tool for character development.. We don't need to see Sansa learn politics through practice and observation... We just need to see her grow and gain wisdom through continuous victimization. They consider this a feminist plot because Sansa has the opportunity to "rise above it" or whatever nonsense.. Tbh I recently reread AGOT, and I have problems w/ how Martin handled Daenerys's assault from Drogo.. But.. even that doesn't feel so egregiously offensive as this. Just a bit misguided.
Ietseatapples
2025-02-14 18:30:03 +0000 UTCJesus. It was also pretty fucked that D&D sent Sophie Turner flowers saying she would have a new βlove interestβ for season 5.
JD Sharpe
2025-02-14 10:07:43 +0000 UTCSeriously, you both crack me up so much with the commentary, I just couldn't wait a whole week between episodes. Happy to support!
Jeffrey Hall
2025-02-14 07:14:21 +0000 UTCNo of course it can be kinda confusing jumping right it ππ΅βπ« thank you for being here π₯Ή
Chad Gloria
2025-02-14 05:40:56 +0000 UTCCersei is my favorite π
Ray H
2025-02-14 05:36:26 +0000 UTCThis is so mf real tho.. I was at a party years ago and this dude was flirting with me and getting to know me chatting and asked about favorite shows and got to talking about GoT and he started talking, then *y e l l i n g* about how much he hated Sansa and how she was this that and the third and summed it up by saying, verbatim, "she deserved to be raped!!" Needless to say, it was not a love connection.
Jess
2025-02-14 01:52:44 +0000 UTCFully get that. I haven't ever used Patreon before so just wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong.
Jeffrey Hall
2025-02-14 00:16:21 +0000 UTCYeah we have info about it in the βaboutβ section of the page on here. We have to remain respectful of copyright laws and we donβt want our pages getting banned or to get sued by anyone for redistribution without permission since we are not an official streaming platform for their shows and movies ect
Chad Gloria
2025-02-13 23:47:28 +0000 UTCYep, that crossed my mind already. Syncing the audio up was the work around I came up with. Thanks for the response!
Jeffrey Hall
2025-02-13 23:45:01 +0000 UTCThe 'watch' along videos are for you to watch along side your own copy of the series. If you want to watch it like it appears on youtube then watch the 'early access' episodes as they are edited and ready to go.
Oliver
2025-02-13 23:39:49 +0000 UTCWait so I just signed up but all the audio is copyrighted... is that normal?
Jeffrey Hall
2025-02-13 23:17:11 +0000 UTCWell, we've arrived at the show's nadir.
Vasili Brasinikas
2025-02-13 20:22:55 +0000 UTCthis show gives us truly despicable villains, between Ramsay and Cersei, I truly don't know who's worse
Chris Bruneau
2025-02-13 20:00:40 +0000 UTCevil frodo is wild hunnids π
Xavier Chandler
2025-02-13 18:17:00 +0000 UTCOkay I got carried away rambling on so delete if needed but jesus, guys, I really do hate this fucking episode, y'know?
JD Sharpe
2025-02-13 17:42:51 +0000 UTCPeople like to talk about how bad Game of Thrones eventually got, but for me, it's never worse than this. This episode, and this season. So the Sansa/Ramsay marriage doesn't happen in the books because it wouldn't make sense, and no effort is put into it making sense on the show either. Who benefits from Ramsay marrying Sansa? Not Roose, who makes an enemy of the Lannisters. Not Littlefinger, who for some reason gives away his most valuable prize to a monster seemingly just to get rid of Sansa, who he's obsessed with, so why? And obviously not Sansa, who agrees to this 'plan' because the script wants her to. So essentially, we get the whole storyline upended because they wanted Sansa to get raped. They tease her becoming a player at the end of the last season; hey, Sansa has been through hell and now with her lessons learned, it's time to turn things around! No longer will she be the abused arranged wife to a monster, she's going to - Wait, no. The writers just really, REALLY want Sansa to get raped, specifically by Ramsay. In interviews, they talked about being excited for her storyline since Season 2, which is an odd thing to say: ''we're excited this child actress we've watched grow into an adult is going to be raped on-screen''. It's also notable that despite supposedly planning it for so long, there's no effort to make it seem like a plausible plot or character development. It is entirely for shock value because they have mistaken shock value for good writing. In the books, Ramsay does marry someone and does rape them, as he is wont to do. It's part of a larger Northern storyline which is frightening, compelling and impeccably well-written with many different plotlines going on at once. D&D jettisoned all of it -- ALL of it -- except for one part: Ramsay rapes his new wife. That was what they considered important, that Ramsay should rape someone, and who better than Sansa, who they already hate? Who they make into the punchline of a sick joke by having her declare that she can't be frightened, only to be raped at the end of the episode. Even the title ''Unbowed Unbent Unbroken'' is a joke, because of course, Sansa is bent over to be raped at the end. In her childhood home. In her dead brother's bed. Because D&D thought she deserved it. And of course, we focus on Theon. Because in D&D's minds, the importance of characters in the North is as follows: Ramsay, Theon, Myranda, Roose, Ramsay's dogs, Sansa. It's such an enormously wrong-headed, bullshit, thoughtless development that for me, this is where the show becomes irredeemable trash. There really aren't any good episodes after this (people will claim there are, but really, there are only good battle scenes rather than good episodes) so this is where my rewatch with you guys stop, sorry. And sorry for the rant, this episode just... it gets my goat so fucking much.
JD Sharpe
2025-02-13 17:40:54 +0000 UTC
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