Better Call Saul 2x10
Added 2024-10-29 15:01:01 +0000 UTCComments
Oh boy we got Arianna good with this one! 🍿🔥
Arson Stays Up Too Late Watching Video Tapes
2024-11-03 09:05:00 +0000 UTCGod, I love this show. So glad you guys continue to dig it. Chuck's actor, Michael McKean, is brilliant. If you haven't seen it already, you guys should watch "This is Spinal Tap." It's hilarious and fun, and you can see the best version of McKean, as a great comedian and musician.
Smapdi
2024-11-01 14:05:20 +0000 UTCWhen you think about how Sandpiper went down, Chuck was effectively stealing Jimmy’s case from him. The moral thing to do would’ve been admitting conflict of interest and suggesting Jimmy bring the case to Clifford Main from the get go
Eric Wall
2024-10-30 12:54:01 +0000 UTCI always thought Chuck and Jimmy’s relationship mirrored Walt and Jesse’s in a way. A very toxic dynamic where they both clearly care for each other, but will go through extreme lengths to get a comeuppance on the other. I think they genuinely bring out the worst in each other.
FW27
2024-10-30 08:51:52 +0000 UTCI think what’s great about this show is that both sides are so understandable. Because the premise of the show is already determined—we know, and the writers know we know, that Jimmy untimely doesn’t escape Chuck’s cynicism—you cannot deny that Chuck is ultimately right. So in some ways the fundamental question of the show is ‘how important is it to be right, or just?’ When I first watched the show, I was definitely on team Chuck because I sympathized with being “right” and “principled” above Jimmy’s ends-justifying, even as he admirably took care of his brother. But I can see why he’s so antagonistic; its easier to identify with Jimmy, he’s more likeable after all. But that’s Chuck’s point: his likeability doesn’t excuse the corners he crosses. I also dont think Chuck is motivated by revenge. We just found out that both of their parents preferred Jimmy, even though in some sense he doesn’t deserve it. What upsets chuck is not that its jimmy who was doted upon, so much as it was that someone of jimmy’s nature could be doted upon more than someone of chucks nature. And I think the writers meant for us to assume that Chuck’s character is unimpeachable. In that way, it’s not as personal as it seems. Chuck is so *just* that it is incomprehensible to him that the world is not as just as he is (and he’s right!). Jimmy just happens to exemplify this. The debate then, is the extent to which Chuck himself caused Jimmy to be this way. The evidence is mostly in Chuck’s favor, but nobody wants to admit or believe that one’s nature cannot change, which is ultimately a belief necessary to holding such a position, and one which Chuck himself believed. The fact that you can hate Chuck so much in spite of his sense of justice is precisely the reason I think Chuck’s actions can be justified.
Cole Canine
2024-10-30 07:06:02 +0000 UTCYeah well I've always been on the "he sucks buuuut" and "big ethics stuff" train xD I feel like one needs to be able to have two different takes on Chuck. One comes in the moment, when you're pissed at him and just generally annoyed by his condescending, dick-ish attitude. The other comes later when you're reflecting on him, try and see past his off-putting personality and just evaluate his actions. Don't get me wrong, he still doesn't come off great on that second front but it's much closer to even between him and Jimmy there. And I feel like you need to be able to appreciate both, otherwise you're just going into these episodes raging, annoyed every time we even see Chuck, and unable to more calmly look at the many facets of his character. And I've seen that happen and I honestly feel that's a bit of a tragedy because Chuck is just such a great, complex character (regardless of if you view him as a villain) and the sibling relationship between him and Jimmy is probably the most interesting one I've ever seen on TV.
Christophe
2024-10-30 06:40:45 +0000 UTCI've made that point before and he kind of is but Skyler definitely deserves the hate far less than Chuck. Chuck is much more personally vindictive and manipulative than Skyler ever was. They are often both "right" in some strict sense of the word but their motivations are so very different, Skyler is much more righteous than Chuck.
Christophe
2024-10-30 06:34:19 +0000 UTCew, imagine being you
neat
2024-10-30 05:38:22 +0000 UTCChuck and Jimmy are so different yet so similar. Sometimes it feels like either one goes to the extreme simply to spite the other. Like with their dad's store. Jimmy viewed it as inevitable with his dad's bad business sense, Chuck completely blames Jimmy. The answer is somewhere in-between. Chuck is definitely more hateable though. It annoys me that he seemed to view Jimmy's need to get food as something negative. He probably thought of himself going without food or rest to be with his mom as noble while his mother would have felt horrible that he was hurting himself like that.
Adam Vialpando
2024-10-30 03:54:15 +0000 UTC"I know he's not perfect. And I know he cuts corners. But you're the one who made him this way." Kim is 100% right, as always. By trying to kill and suppress Jimmy, Chuck accidentally creates this version of Jimmy, who becomes Saul Goodman. We will never know what he could have become with the unconditional love and support from the person he trusted and loved and supported the most.
Kara
2024-10-30 02:50:04 +0000 UTCyap yap
Kara
2024-10-30 02:47:04 +0000 UTCGirls, when you completely bought Chuck's story, I was so hyped lol. You assumed Chuck was just getting more tin foil (mylar blankets) from the garage, thank god. Insane reveal lmfao, I cackled. Great reaction! Chuck is a villain (the villainous antagonist of the show). People hate Chuck deeply. There's a whole subreddit called r/FuckChuck which is just based around how much people hated Chuck haha. Devil's Advocate's in the comments have rewatched the show 8 times and are doing big picture ethics stuff, not low level 'in the moment' emotional stuff. All of us were seething when we realized Chuck pulled a "Slippin Jimmy" scam on us. Even Chuck defenders were like "he sucks buuuut" Bonus: love how the show trusts the audience to understand, it doesn't show us the court order, it doesn't show us mike calling the gun seller and saying "i need to shoot hector salamanca : ) ". so many shows dont trust their audience, think they'll be on their phones etc. Season 3 next!!!!!
Kara
2024-10-30 02:46:34 +0000 UTCThis is fun, I feel like Chuck is the Skyler of the better call Saul world.
TinCan Cosmanaut
2024-10-30 02:39:36 +0000 UTCfuck off
Conor
2024-10-30 01:23:11 +0000 UTCChuck sucks. He's mentally ill and has no business practicing law. Because the law is sacred!!
Joe Blankenship
2024-10-30 01:20:15 +0000 UTCYou can definitely tell they are brothers. Slippin Charles can definitely put on a song and dance routine to get things out of people when he feels he is morally justified. And I will just say, people aren't blindly hating Chuck. I've seen this show completely through about four or five times now. I think there's just certain types of people out in the world like Chuck, and some of us might just be super fed up with those kind of people.
Joshua Luzania
2024-10-30 00:50:21 +0000 UTCMaple pretending that she hikes is hilarious
LAB28
2024-10-30 00:48:11 +0000 UTCIt's not just a legal thing. That's something Chuck is concerned about, not me 😅 Morally, it's still not a good thing. When you make a choice, you have to consider the people who you're going to steamroll over to get what you want. He didn't truly consider it, and then Chuck lost his shit over it. These are consequences that Jimmy didn't think about. If someone is having to suffer consequences because of your actions, you need to think long and hard about how right you really are to do what you're doing. It's just just a legal thing for Kim either. She loved doing that scam on the guy at the bar, and this is in the same vein. She just lied for him right to Chucks face. She clearly cares about Jimmy, which is why she also is still helping him by saying he needs to cover his tracks. But her essentially helping Jimmy gaslight Chuck is just.... not right. It doesn't matter that Chuck isn't likeable or that it's bullshit that Kim had her case stolen from her. You're not immediately heroic and free from consequences by trying to steal it back. Everyone involved I think has something they should learn from this, it's just sad that all they're really doing is repeating the cycle of hurting each other back and forth.
Lorenzo Baxter
2024-10-30 00:47:30 +0000 UTCI would have defended Chuck if he stated outright to Jimmy, when Jimmy passed the bar exam, that he didn't want Jimmy to work for him and didn't trust him as a lawyer. But he secretly held Jimmy back by having Howard do his bidding. And he never confessed of his own accord, he only admitted after it was found out by Jimmy. He would have continued, in perpetuity, holding Jimmy back secretly until the day he died, because of his feelings about Jimmy from their past together.
Joshua Luzania
2024-10-30 00:47:03 +0000 UTCI would say more accurately, Jimmy is worse to society at large over his life, but Chuck was worse to Jimmy in their relationship. I think that's what most people are saying.
Joshua Luzania
2024-10-30 00:41:27 +0000 UTCI would only rebut that of course Jimmy isn't legally justified in anything he does regarding Mesa Verde, but I think Jimmy is more interested in moral justification. I think Arianna may have brought up "Robin Hood" off hand, but it's in that same vein how Jimmy feels, like he explained to Chuck. But Kim is more grounded and realizes the consequences of being legally wrong, regardless of being morally right in your own eyes, so of course she is upset.
Joshua Luzania
2024-10-30 00:38:54 +0000 UTCIt's definitely very nuanced, and that's what makes this show so interesting. Jimmy is more likable (and Chuck is obviously self-righteous), but it doesn't make him a better person, necessarily. Sure, he did something nice for someone else (Kim), but he also hurt the clients who suffered a delay because of a sibling feud.
ATG
2024-10-29 22:57:57 +0000 UTCLook I get Chuck is unlikeable, but he is not the villain at all 😅 He's Antagonistic for sure, but he isn't evil. This is what resentment does to people. This is the result of parental choices, and Jimmy's own choices of his early scheming life. Chuck tried to tell his parents and they wouldn't buy it. That only furthers the resentment. Of course you're going go think that your brother is some fake cheater who has all these shortcuts and gets all these accolades he "doesn't deserve". Jimmy was NOT justified in doing what he did. I mean, Kim literally freaks out and punches him in the car, because she's angry at herself for backing Jimmy. She knows what he did was wrong, and she's pissed that she backed him like that when she really shouldn't have, by all rights. That's all the proof you need right there. I'm no Chuck defender at all, but we as watchers are obviously going to be biased to Jimmy because we love his character. And back and forth, both of them think their actions are justified because the other hurt them in some way. But it's a tale as old as time. Revenge literally solves nothing. Their toxic kind of relationship is on Jimmy just as much as Chuck. Jimmy does something to hurt Chuck, feels guilty when he sees consequences, and then wants to make it right because he also loves Chuck. And Chuck believes his actions in turn are justified to hurt him, because he deserves it, and he resents him deep down. But Chuck also loves Jimmy. You can't hate someone as much as that and claim to not care. Hate takes passion. Love takes passion. They both love each other, yet they both continue to hurt the other. It's messed up, and again, some family therapy would really help with this kind of thing 😅
Lorenzo Baxter
2024-10-29 22:50:29 +0000 UTCI think Chuck is easily one of the best characters in the BB/BCS universe and mostly think his perspective on Jimmy is logical in a sense. But justifying his treatment of his brother just because he’s “right” is so weird to me personally. Yes Saul is a very bad person, but Jimmy is at least redeemable enough to be a decent person. It’s not Chuck’s fault that Jimmy became Saul at all and he’s not evil, but he has very little moral superiority over this version of Jimmy to me.
FW27
2024-10-29 22:42:28 +0000 UTCI think the "Chicago sunroof" incident was the biggest and certainly was the one that broke the camels back, but they implied he has saved Jimmy before
Reid Mclellan
2024-10-29 22:34:38 +0000 UTCYeah, ultimately nothing about whatever Jimmy is or isn’t justifies all the things Chuck does to Jimmy. It’s never made explicit, but the gap between Chuck bailing Jimmy out and the first episode is established as ten years. That’s a full decade that went by where Jimmy seems to have kept his nose clean, become a lawyer, and taken care of his brother, and at no point did Chuck consider that maybe Jimmy was capable of being better than what Chuck already saw him as. When Kim says, “you’re the one who made him this way”, that’s not an idle statement. It’s clear to see that Chuck’s enabling support system isn’t what he needs to actually improve his condition. I’d say it’s equally obvious that Chuck’s treatment of Jimmy did far more to inhibit Jimmy’s attempt at living the straight life than aid it.
Eric Wall
2024-10-29 21:50:43 +0000 UTCI’m pretty sure he just saved him once after the Chicago sunroof incident.
Eric Wall
2024-10-29 21:31:04 +0000 UTCNah. If Jimmy had Chuck committed he could just take the buyout on his behalf and pocket the full amount. He says as much in the episode where Chuck first goes to the hospital. It’s what he says to Howard to “make him sweat”, but never seriously considers doing it for that reason.
Eric Wall
2024-10-29 21:27:50 +0000 UTCAlso, at 46:25 Maple says "Chuck's never like a bad, bad guy" and literally 10 seconds later --he does some major EVIL shit. Girl, your change of heart from "sympathy" to "fuck that guy" was priceless, LOL this right here is why I love this channel!
Chris Bruneau
2024-10-29 21:04:47 +0000 UTCits really not that complicated; Chuck has always been jealous of Jimmy and hates him. When I was growing up there were 2 brothers who lived in my neighborhood, and one was CLEARLY their parent's favorite. To this day, those 2 brothers cannot stand each other, I've seen it 1st hand!!! bitterness, jealousy, and resentment make people do awful shit to each other!
Chris Bruneau
2024-10-29 20:39:32 +0000 UTCJimmy's faithfulness to his brother stems back to the first episode. Jimmy doesn't think his brother will get over this condition and that HHM should buy him out. Jimmy sees that pile of money and I'm sure that if Chuck got that buyout then Jimmy would find a way to get his hands on it. I am convinced that that is how deep it goes.
Phan
2024-10-29 20:14:15 +0000 UTCThey're talking about Jimmy taking care of Chuck for 2 years like Chuck didn't save Jimmy again and again from a life in prison.
blitzman08
2024-10-29 19:59:49 +0000 UTCJimmy is 100% worse than Chuck lol. This shouldn't even be debatable tbh.
blitzman08
2024-10-29 19:58:47 +0000 UTCBest reaction to that episode ever!!🧡🖤
DirtySteve
2024-10-29 19:24:11 +0000 UTCChuck is a highly divisive character. Both sides are defensible.
Phan
2024-10-29 19:04:45 +0000 UTCThat's the beauty of Chuck. He's frustrating, a hassle, overly negative, and a wet blanket a lot of the time. We can totally appreciate the ways in which Chuck mistreats Jimmy, but we also know what Jimmy turns into. In the back of our minds, the doubt is always there, but we know Chuck is ultimately right. Jimmy cannot help but bend the rules. And the things he goes on to do with Walter make Chuck look like a saint. Whether it was nature or nurture or both, scamming and deception are an intregral part of who he is. But we always wonder if things could be different. If Chuck helped him more, tried to guide and mentor him as a lawyer, maybe Jimmy could have changed. It didn't need to be this way. Sometimes people can change, sometimes they can't, but there is only one outcome. Personally, I think the most reasonable perspective on their mistreatment of each other is that it is mutually tragic, instead of trying to play the blame game and keeping score. You could go all the way back to their childhoods to start to list the ways in which they have hurt each other, with Chuck resenting Jimmy for skimming the cash register at their father's store.
John Cedar
2024-10-29 18:21:31 +0000 UTCI'm sorry if I ever gave you the impression of being a Chuck defender myself or if you're talking about people on Youtube or something because I've probably been the one on here who has pushed back the most on the blind Chuck haters 🙈 but just to be clear, no, obviously, Chuck is not the good guy here or frankly anywhere in this show ^^ I'm just tired of a lot of people not being able to appreciate nuance. There's too many black-and-white viewers out there who are so blinded by their hate for Chuck that they can neither see the way he's often right or why he is the way he is, nor how Jimmy is often not the good guy either. But I actually think you two have been very fair with Chuck, appreciating why he is the way he is but condemning him when he's a conniving asshole 😅 which is what I do too, you don't need to be a Chuck defender to do that.
Christophe
2024-10-29 17:24:39 +0000 UTCI was with you against the Walt fan boys, but I think the people defending Chuck definitely have more to stand on personally
Reid Mclellan
2024-10-29 16:53:10 +0000 UTC
