Ramble: Percy Jackson
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I know this is an old video but I’m a newer patron and I can’t help but comment on this video about my two favorite franchises haha. Buffy as a show is deeply meaningful for me. I find its roots in existentialist philosophy to be deeply impactful to me, and I find the character of Buffy to be one of the best written female characters ever. Well, at least in seasons 1-5. But even me, the biggest Buffy Stan ever, agrees with your takes on it for the most part. The few characters of color that are shown throughout the show are a victim to some kind of horrible stereotype (one black character falls into the jezebel archetype, another black character is literally voiceless and has a white character speak for her, the Asian character doesn’t understand English, etc.) Maybe it’s a testament to my whiteness and privilege that I love this show so much. And even the LGBTQ representation suffers a bit as they fall into the bury your gays trope and arguably engages in Bi-erasure. Also, as more and more trauma gets piled onto the main character, she never really bounces back to the light and positive aspects of her character that made her so charming in the first place. By the end of the series, Buffy is just a hardened war general and her empathy and sense of humor is pretty much gone. It’s quite a bleak character arc imo and is an awful message when the show is supposed to be an allegory for teen and young adulthood. In terms of Percy Jackson, the movies are not at all a good representation of the books. I’m also amused that your only exposure to the franchise are the movies and the musical that I didn’t even know existed. 😂 The series on Disney+ does it a lot better, but imo the biggest draw for me reading the books as a kid was how silly it was in the face of an inherently dramatic and serious overall plot. For me that was the only thing the first movie got right was attempting to keep the humor. I’m a bit disappointed that the series seems to have a fairly serious tone and has very little humor. Maybe the series can improve on that in the next season, because they’ve gotten most everything else right and even managed to improve on some criticisms from the book.
Kathryne Vorthman
2024-09-14 18:20:09 +0000 UTCOk so for the past 30+ years I genuinely thought Percy Jackson was the author of some beloved childrens books series. I am so confused and I wonder if its ever come up in conversations and nobody has corrected me
Scrum Diddely Umptious
2024-09-05 02:20:27 +0000 UTCgoing back and watching this after the tv show came out, and as a longtime super fan of the books (i have reread them, i personally think they hold up very well but that may be a little bit of nostalgia) the show fixed mostly everything with the movies and even added more complexity to characters like grover (who was already far more complex than he was in the movie) and different scenes that were shorter or just different in the books. i think the main thing that elevated it above the other adaptations is that the author was heavily involved and not only made sure it all stayed faithful but took certain criticisms (ex. like the lack of diversity, since in the books percy, annabeth, and grover were white) and listened to what people had to say and adjusted (hence open casting of anyone of any race which resulted in annabeth being black and grover as south asian). it’s not a perfect show, it’s definitely a kids show, but as a longtime fan i can say it was the best of these other adaptations by FAR both in accuracy to the source material and just overall entertainment value.
hxgrl
2024-08-27 16:58:08 +0000 UTCGOOCHY
Andrea
2024-03-07 05:36:07 +0000 UTCfunnily enough a running joke in the Percy jackson books is one of the Gods misremembering his name and calling him Peter Johnson.
Tshepiso Ramodimoosi
2024-02-09 01:47:04 +0000 UTCYou've pretty well explained why I never got into Buffy. My brother read at least SOME of the Percy Jackson books, but even though I liked Greek mythology I was very uninterested in the overall story. I never finished this series, because it was long and I kind of grew out of it/lost interest, but I think the Skulduggery Pleasant series might be the best "magic YA series", at least for me, as a kid/teen who liked darker, gothic-style stuff, as well as main characters who were adults.
Markus D
2022-05-15 18:14:17 +0000 UTCLogan Lerman was actually pretty good in The Three Musketeers (2011). I was not aware of him before that movie.
Thread Bomb
2022-04-03 16:33:16 +0000 UTCI can't tell you how much I loved this. As always, you put into words what I couldn't. <3
Liv
2021-10-12 06:51:38 +0000 UTCwhatever happened to the beanie baby video you mention at the end of this? shelved till after the evermore one i assume?
roses are red violets are blue pickleball is dumb and golf sucks too
2021-09-06 00:44:46 +0000 UTCI was super in the closet when I read book 1, liked Luke a lot, I really felt his betrayal in middle school
Michael Weingartner
2021-07-04 16:31:55 +0000 UTCcamp halfblood is also way less of a jock thing in the books. all the campers in different cabins have different activities they usually do based on their god parent. so yeah, the aphrodite kids kind of hang around, the demeter kids basically just garden, the hephaestus kids do like blacksmith stuff, and a lot of the apollo kids just play instruments and practice medicine.
Katherine Robinson
2021-06-01 16:06:44 +0000 UTCI actually laughed. I wasn't paying super-close attention (partly because I was trying to read her notes) and laughed without thinking about it. She literally sliced off a bunch of frames and made it funny. What a casual display of competent editing.
Michael Chui
2021-05-30 06:58:17 +0000 UTCWell, that's kinda the problem. It doesn't work as art, but it does work as a business model. Tickets get sold on the basis of something less demanding than a critic's opinion, and for the bottom line, that works. That's why they revisit IPs and "reboot" them all the time; the name recognition is enough to grab cash, even if everyone hates the actual product. It's not enough to build a *franchise* with, which is why this petered out after 2 entries, but they totally made money on this shit. The absolute only way to stop it is by making the public more competent at consuming art and sorry, capitalism called, you gotta work more gigs not sit around thinking about narrative structure.
Michael Chui
2021-05-30 06:49:14 +0000 UTCDefinitely read this as Peter Jackson and was surprised by how broad the topic was.
Chelsea Baird
2021-05-15 03:33:06 +0000 UTCIf you ever make a Percy Jackson video there is a really telling and heartbreaking blog post/open letter from the author about how he warned the movie studio that they were going to ruin the movies and they didn't listen to him, I would highly recommend reading that. Not sure I would recommend you read the books now though. I was the exact same age as Percy as the books were coming out so they were perfect for me, I've never reread them but from my memory they are on par with Harry Potter. But they are also very silly and I don't know how friendly they would be to an adult reading them for the first time.
Rachel
2021-05-07 00:17:41 +0000 UTCI agree the last 2 seasons were awful but I'm not sure it was due to the move, I think Whedon tried some new things which I give him credit for but they never worked as well as the original idea of battling demons as an analog for the problems of high school or even college. Especially what he did with Spike was just terrible and IMO the arc in season 6 (the first season she is back from being dead) was just misogynistic with Buffy saying no but really she means yes. I've re-watched the first few seasons many times but I always skip that one. They kind of recovered in Season 7 but I almost think the show should have just ended with her death at the end of Season 6. And then there are the comics... the less said the better.
Michael DeBellis
2021-03-22 18:00:00 +0000 UTCWhat happened to making a beanie baby video?
noah fick
2021-03-20 18:45:54 +0000 UTCI didn't get through the first book. The writing is mediocre anyway, but where it lost me was its enormous and dull exposition dump when Percy arrived at the camp.
Rainbow Gummy Fish
2021-03-09 15:18:03 +0000 UTCThe books are great. My best friend grew up on those ans I grew up on Harry Potter so when we met in high school we switched. I was def too old for them, but they were really fun stories. I really liked mythology as a kid so I was “too good” for the books because I assumed they’d fuck it up but they were all surprisingly well researched! The movie was an abomination.
Sage Walund
2021-03-07 22:26:07 +0000 UTCI tried rewatching lightning thief last week and I had to shut it off at the "aw jeez, my mom is dead?" line read
Bob C
2021-03-02 18:56:35 +0000 UTCalso, grover is not specified as black in the books and he also gets his own arc later in the books
Katherine Barbera
2021-02-24 00:13:24 +0000 UTCokay but to be fair, i thought buffy was a lot worse when it moved to the CW
Katherine Barbera
2021-02-24 00:03:05 +0000 UTCWhat Buffy has over Vampire Diaries is that vampires aren't being turned back to human all the time. For me personally that is a cardinal sin in vampire fiction.
Nat
2021-02-23 06:50:17 +0000 UTCannabeth really took the florence welch lyric "everything i ever did/ was just another way to scream your name/ over and over and over and over again" to heart in sea of monsters huh
Virginia Smith
2021-02-20 04:29:45 +0000 UTCSuper awkward watching them rehearse the musical with all that energy just standing in front of a microphone.
Reina Woods
2021-02-19 00:42:57 +0000 UTCJenny has a great video of her "quest" to go get her giant spider! If you haven't seen it you definitely need to check it out. 100% my favorite one! I'm glad to hear that you are on the mend...hope that you continue to feel better!
Jackson Everdeen
2021-02-15 19:30:35 +0000 UTCThere's an option on Patreon to edit posts and comments. It doesn't always work, but when it does it's a handy alternative to making multiple back-to-back comments/posts. Alternatively you could reply to the original comment, so all that's said can be condensed into a single thread.
Shaun Cheah
2021-02-15 07:04:21 +0000 UTCOh, day by day, can't complain too much. Downside to seizures: ya *really* got to put in planning about where you are, just in case one sneaks in. Oh, and driving is verboten for a loong time. Upside? Media backlogs like our protagonist's effectively double or triple in size over night! So I feel like I oh her big time for twice the fun in half the time :D Cheers my brotha'.
Jeremy Pickett
2021-02-14 15:31:29 +0000 UTCHow is your brain doing now?
Steve Ray
2021-02-14 07:16:24 +0000 UTCRamble: I can't believe it took me this long. It feels like the protagonist (Jenny) has been a video part of my life for forever. But I bet it's just a few years, I had brain trauma in 2019 :) The only request I have is, and this may already exist, a video of the protagonist's (Jenny's) plushie collection? Mine is pretty big, but no where near giant spider sized.
Jeremy Pickett
2021-02-14 03:46:24 +0000 UTCI just recently reread all the Percy Jackson books (and the companion books) and its definitely not perfect, but a lot of the things you had problems with in the movie/musical ARE addressed in the books. For example, Percy's driving motivation through the whole first book is to retrieve his mom from the underworld, which is why he even goes on the quest in the first place. The books are, I think, some of the most solid middle grade fiction out there. Also I was a camp kid, so I love camp half-blood and prefer it to Hogwarts, but I'm also in the minority there for sure.
Lily Sage
2021-02-12 12:57:11 +0000 UTCI'm so so glad I finally get to be a patron of yours!<3 I've never read the percy books and remember next to nothing of the movies besides that they were very Bad, but everyone i know who has read the books, has unanimously said they're amazing and that the movies dont do them justice. i believe that but its just Real Hard to see from where I'm standing lol;;
Lunare Cat
2021-02-10 23:39:42 +0000 UTCi’m literally just finding out about the Percy Jackson musical, plz do a vid on it
Guppy Goodluck
2021-02-09 17:01:12 +0000 UTCI was thinking this exact same thing and you put it into words.
Olivia Thornton-Nickerson
2021-02-09 14:47:49 +0000 UTCI saw the movie in theaters when it came out with two friends who had read the series. The movie was so forgettable that the only thing I remembered about it for years was that Poseidon was NOT wearing a Hawaiian shirt (as he does in the books) in the movie, and my friends were very upset about it. Also I’m very charmed by Aragog wearing the jelly fish beanie baby (which I just learned is named GOOCHY???) on his head.
Sunny
2021-02-09 14:46:54 +0000 UTCIn the books Percy does go home for school. It's much better. You should definitely read them before the series. It's just so so different and better.
Neale Misquitta
2021-02-08 14:56:51 +0000 UTCI was thinking about this over night, and I've come back with a more serious answer, because I think this question gets at the heart of what makes Jenny a good media critic. Her judgement is not colored by prejudices from wider society that are irrelevant to a work's merit. YA literature (Percy Jackson) is cringy because it's perceived to be for girls. In contrast, up until its adult male fandom threw racist/sexist tantrums, Star Wars was respectable because it was perceived to be for boys. Musical theater is cringy because it's perceived to be for gay men. It verges on revolutionary when people like Jenny are willing to approach these subjects without any shame and hold them up to a high artistic standard.
Jerry Nicholson
2021-02-08 14:51:36 +0000 UTCThere's also the matter of ownership of a certain Crash Bandicoot shirt which offers protection from this sort of thing.
Shaun Cheah
2021-02-08 07:36:02 +0000 UTCCringe is the source of her power
Jerry Nicholson
2021-02-07 19:38:10 +0000 UTCHow did jenny survive a percy jackson musical? Is she just impervious to cringe?
Caden Meyer
2021-02-07 19:20:30 +0000 UTCI guess also it needs to start “So” and perhaps be placed into the form of a numbered list but let’s not split hairs... 💁♂️😁
Shred Cadmium
2021-02-07 11:19:49 +0000 UTCGood god, I donated to see the Percy Jackson video and I got a discussion of the comment in the VPD video that most jarred me! I'd call myself a big Buffy fan. I got into the show through Dr. Horrible, which was big for me in high school as a musical kid but also a big geek. I haven't really enjoyed anything else Whedon's done (Firefly's okay, but it's nothing special), and I never got the hype over even the first Avengers, which is supposed to be the good one. And despite it being the thing that got me into Buffy, I now find Dr. Horrible insufferable. Having watched a couple episodes a few months back in an attempt to get a friend into it, I think my enjoyment of Buffy is mostly nostalgic: I first watched it when I was 16 and was going through a lot of broadly positive self-discovery stuff at that time, so it's one of the few things from my youth that I still have positive associations with. Though I do think the acting is pretty good for the most part, particularly from Tony Head, Alyson Hannigan, and Kristine Sutherland - it's probably not a coincidence that those three get the fewest Whedonisms in their dialogue.
Quinton Church
2021-02-07 10:01:47 +0000 UTCThe way you describe Grover being fucking kidnapped in the second movie 😂 in the book he /is/ missing and part of the adventure is going to save him, but the reason he's missing isn't because a dude threw a sack over his head, it's because he was on his quest to find his missing god Pan and got into trouble, I cannot believe they robbed this character of his agency so much that they literally just had some people kidnap him
Casper Hope-Tindall
2021-02-07 06:17:23 +0000 UTCI got into the Percy Jackson books as an adult I don't know if I was slightly too old for the books but I had legitimately never even heard of them until the movie came out, but that means I have a super clear memory of the plot and the characters and like, the critical literary choices made because I was 24 when I first read these children's books. I've never seen the movies but wow they seem to not get the point literally at all, also, the awkward aging up of these twelve year olds is so weird? I've never paid much attention to the musical so I have to wonder how they handle the age thing as well, obviously all the actors are adults, are they just constantly saying they're 12 like in A Very Potter Musical? Like is it a joke?
Casper Hope-Tindall
2021-02-07 06:08:29 +0000 UTCin the books camp half blood has a horse stables and pegasus riding lessons, theres something for everyone
jesse m
2021-02-07 05:03:20 +0000 UTCI think Buffy is better than TVD because of how it used the supernatural elements as metaphor for teen life, and actually built a convincing found family. TVD did not bother to do the first, and in my opinion was inconsistent at best with the second. BUT, Jenny is right that Joss Whedon’s role as king of the nerds is super annoying, and the fact that the show gets as much praise as it does, is pretty annoying and outsized for the actual quality of the show as a whole!
Dani Langlie
2021-02-07 03:02:32 +0000 UTCAye right. This is a credits roll, a stinger, and a copyright fight away from being a main-channeler 🤏 Oh wait 🤔 OK just a credits roll and a stinger then
Shred Cadmium
2021-02-06 22:18:20 +0000 UTCIs anyone getting the vibe that rambles are getting less ramble-y and way more editing? I mean, they're still great, but these are supposed to be easy.
Tori
2021-02-06 20:50:54 +0000 UTCThe Walking Dead became the same way after a few years.
Steve Ray
2021-02-06 20:12:44 +0000 UTCYou're thinking of Jake's brother, Ramble Rivers.
Steve Ray
2021-02-06 19:47:15 +0000 UTCAragog stares into your soul, but only a little bit with each of his eyes.
Steve Ray
2021-02-06 19:45:25 +0000 UTCI love the TY tag on Aragog
Sorelle Jackson
2021-02-06 19:45:02 +0000 UTCYou're weak, the law of the poll is ice and iron - but it was good though lolol
Andrew Hill
2021-02-06 16:38:08 +0000 UTC"And knew that such long form content could not possibly be making your money back" Hahahaha you don't think the read through of that one crazy guys star wars treatment or the great story about Buzzy are doing numbers??? You aint for real, although I am enjoying the idea of her reading that sentence like slower and slower "could not Possibly" haha
Andrew Hill
2021-02-06 16:32:30 +0000 UTCps. For some reason I'm blocked from your twitter. I wouldn't have tweeted anything mean, but could very well have tweeted something stupid. I do know there wouldn't have been any mean intent towards you cos I love your vids and your monthly rambles are always a welcome treat. It is weird apologizing for something I don't know what I did, and doing so might also be considered meaningless due to me not knowing why I got blocked, so I'll just say "oops, my bad" and leave it there.
UK73
2021-02-06 10:09:42 +0000 UTCif I could I would add something under your vid about the Legacies show. IIRC you aren't planning on watching it. If this is the case, you might be interested in checking out the latest episode s3e03 as they perform a musical version of the Vampire diaries (ish). Though if you ARE planning on watching the whole show, and I do recommend it, best not watch this so right now, spoilers n stuff, right. 😁
UK73
2021-02-06 10:04:59 +0000 UTCQuestion: for your £1 members, do we only get a short time.to view the video. I ask because I can't watch the Vampire Diaries one any more. 😰
UK73
2021-02-06 10:02:46 +0000 UTCMy word that sucked! The one-two punch of bad CGI and horrible acting was unbelievable Jenny was right about everything. At least the second movie wasn't as long as the first so it was a little more tolerable. And the few clips from the musical that were in the ramble looked so much better than these two films combined I'd love to see a video on that in the future.
Luis
2021-02-06 05:42:19 +0000 UTCI have an extra day off from my pharmacy job today I just remembered I have Disney+ I'm going to watch both Percy Jackson movies now :|
Luis
2021-02-05 23:53:02 +0000 UTCI'll be honest, I only voted Percy Jackson because it was tied with Buffy and I didn't want that one
Lauri Tervonen
2021-02-05 20:41:20 +0000 UTCThe entire discussion about Luke I kept hearing "Luke Tipple". Then she starts talking about Australian accents
Daniel Haas
2021-02-05 20:36:21 +0000 UTCThis is definitely off topic but I would love to know how you go about finding the stuffed toys you road trip to find.
Lizzy
2021-02-05 17:31:23 +0000 UTCI can't believe I looked at Aragog with the Beanie Babies tag and it didn't even register into my brain until you mentioned it. I was fully ready to believe Aragog was a Beanie Baby. I read the books a long long time ago, but I think Groover wasn't written out in the second movie. He was actually written in! (correct me if I'm wrong). In the second book, he's been on a quest and he disappears, or something like that. I didn't even finish that book so maybe he comes back, but at first he's not even there. Also I'm pretty sure Percy goes back home in the book? No idea why they decided to make him go live at camp full time in the movie.
Elena Campillo
2021-02-05 15:19:33 +0000 UTCI love the jellyfish and its noodly appendages.
superb lobster
2021-02-05 10:36:30 +0000 UTCGreat video! I read the books for the first time(as a teenager) not long before the movies were released, and of course loved one and hated the other, I’ll let you guess which. The best part of the books was the witty dialogue and ability to treat serious scenes with gravity when your main character is a comedian. Complete opposite of the movie, lmao. Though, similar to Joss Whedon, the author certainly has a “type” that speaks the same no matter who they are. Interesting in the first few books, then gets old. I just joined your patreon after VPD since I love your work and knew that such long form content could not possibly be making your money back on youtube. I so look forward to your content, I want to make sure I’m supporting you! Keep up the great work!
Emma Tindall
2021-02-05 07:00:45 +0000 UTCOhh thank god it's two things, I really wanted the Buffy tea
CyanideCrystal
2021-02-05 05:32:31 +0000 UTCI keep reading “this is ‘Ramble Percy Jackson’” and I deeply want his first name to be Ramble.
AppleSnaps
2021-02-05 03:30:28 +0000 UTCohhh i remember seeing the first movie in theatres with my mom...I haven't seen any clips until now and all the actors are so uncomfortably old
claire
2021-02-04 23:59:07 +0000 UTCAnother great ramble video (that once again made me interrogate my own character/plot/editing choices), so thank you for making/posting it, and I’m sorry that the video platforms are putting you through such hell at the moment! As far as people thinking that you’re ad-libbing your essays is concerned, I think that may be an unfortunate side-effect of how natural you are on camera. You're a victim of your own talent as a presenter/actor, sadly. I was heavy into “Buffy” when it originally aired, but totally agree with your points about the show in retrospect, and about Whedon’s writing style going forward. It got very wearing/predictable after a while… like you always know there’s going to be a “surprise twist” involving the sudden/violent death of the most likeable character, so the millionth time it happens, all it provokes is a sigh/eye-roll, rather than a shocked gasp. Tch!
Dee Crosier
2021-02-04 20:27:32 +0000 UTCI enjoyed the masterclass in comedic editing
Bryan Sutton
2021-02-04 20:11:20 +0000 UTCLuke: Our parents are awful tyrannical dictators who don’t give a shit whether we live or die and they literally view mortals as playthings, they’re crazy and need to be taken down Percy Jackson: ITS WRONG TO KILL PEOPLE!
Callum Moore
2021-02-04 16:13:58 +0000 UTCThis is such a good ramble, if it had come out as a main video I wouldn't have really blinked at all.
Richard Morrall
2021-02-04 16:01:59 +0000 UTCAragog keeps distracting me. I feel like he's staring into my soul but it's strangely not uncomfortable
Beck Dodd
2021-02-04 13:25:16 +0000 UTCI'm able to view it without a vimeo account, so that's good.
Tahvohck
2021-02-04 12:29:18 +0000 UTCcrazy how Youtube is basically forcing you to move to other video platforms because of their copyrights guidelines.
MiloTJ
2021-02-04 08:17:23 +0000 UTCI mean sure I'd like to contest that all Aaron Sorkin characters are the same, because he writes about writers and that's catnip to me, but... all of his characters in all of his shows love Gilbert and Sullivan an irrational amount. That's... that's pretty damning.
Dan Gibbins
2021-02-04 07:10:25 +0000 UTCbrb thinking about goochy the jellyfish bb
Maddy
2021-02-04 06:59:00 +0000 UTCWhen it looked like Percy Jackson would win the poll, I decided to watch the films so at least I'd have some idea of what Jenny would be talking about lol. They were ok at best (the first one was possibly a little better than the second), they probably deserve their IMDB ratings in the high 5's. The modern day demigod concept was interesting, and it was fun recognizing some of the gods as side characters (even with my base level knowledge of greek gods), but they never felt better than a so-so Netflix movie. It's a pity Sean Bean and various other actors (Percy's Mum, say) didn't appear in the sequel. And Logan Lerman as Percy feels a very blank character; what you know of him after the first 10 minutes is about the same as you'll know of him after two movies. I'm glad to hear he's been better in other roles. Oh, and Jenny's re-edit of the Medusa head scene was hands down better than the one in the film!
Rushka Unverricht
2021-02-04 05:54:45 +0000 UTCbut logan lerman in perks of being a wallflower ? he's def an actually good actor imo
aria thompson
2021-02-04 05:22:11 +0000 UTCThank you so much for posting this so we could see it! You're right though, vimeo is awful omg
Taylor Calloway
2021-02-04 04:43:47 +0000 UTCYep. I stand by (and have recommended to some professors) the idea that this film should be studied for just how bad it is. It is the perfect encapsulation of the WRONG way to take artistic license with an adaptation. The things they add make issues more arcane, harder to digest and less story-driven, while removing significant sign-post tropes (might be the wrong word but whatever) and story beats that made the book successful with its target audience.
Evan
2021-02-04 04:05:19 +0000 UTCI tried to read through the comments to see if anyone mentioned it, but my least favourite part of the first movie was stinky stepdad. I thought it was a dumb plot point and it's wild that she chose stinky and mean when I'm sure there are nice stinky people out there.
Beth Curtin
2021-02-04 02:58:29 +0000 UTCI wonder what YA adaptations that set up sequels but failed to make them that you’d like to have seen continued. I mean there are so many. I seem to recall being partiality fond of Beautiful Creatures and The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising hahaha
Robert Woods
2021-02-04 02:27:21 +0000 UTCClarisse ends up falling in love with a daughter of Aphrodite named Silena and it’s very very sweet
Sarah Lamb
2021-02-04 02:20:04 +0000 UTCJenny, I would LOVE a video about the Percy Jackson Musical. My friends and I first heard the song "Good Kid" in high school, and became ironically obsessed with how bad it was. Then, years later, we got tickets to see the show and were the only people of our age demographic in the relatively empty theater, and we enthusiastically fell in LOVE with the musical because we felt like the actors GAVE THEIR ALL. It was so euphoric to see these 30 years olds play 13-year-olds with so much enthusiasm and vigor. Also, the music slapped. So, we are all big fans of your channel, and would love to hear your thoughts on our favorite musical. <3
Madison Albano
2021-02-04 00:56:10 +0000 UTCHonestly if you want to know how accurate these movies are to the book, look up Rick Riordan's reaction to the movies lmao. Never have I seen an author with such contempt. He even emailed them begging to help write the screenplay, since they sent it to him and they fucking ghosted him. A cautionary tale on selling the rights to your story.
Morgan F Perry
2021-02-04 00:20:15 +0000 UTC🎊🎂🎈🎁🎉
Shred Cadmium
2021-02-04 00:16:59 +0000 UTC🎊🎂🎈🎁🎉
Shred Cadmium
2021-02-04 00:16:50 +0000 UTClmao the clip she edited was so good
Brandon
2021-02-03 23:32:50 +0000 UTCSo happy this topic won. Like most others, I read and loved the books and hated the movies. I also have so much respect for you. I'm trying my best to put together a video essay of sorts and I'm realizing that there is so much more work and research and so much less improv than I was expecting. Can't wait for beanie babies!
Jewel Jackson
2021-02-03 23:16:43 +0000 UTCJust finished Coco, absolutely loved it. Thank you so much!
Yoav Fine
2021-02-03 23:16:11 +0000 UTCThat was sooo funny! With his original partner I assume the actor didn't come back, so at least that death makes sense, but everyone else too???
Monica McFadden
2021-02-03 23:14:34 +0000 UTCAlexandra Daddario playing Annabeth was kind of weird because she had been playing "adult" characters in movies and TV shows before the first Percy Jackson movie.
Jacob Crowe
2021-02-03 23:10:38 +0000 UTCScript doctor? More like a script surgeon. I had no idea what this movie was going into this, but boy am I glad I watched this video.
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2021-02-03 22:51:50 +0000 UTCI ended up joining Patreon after your VPD video because while pursuing your Twitter to try and figure out if the G Fuel sponsorship was serious or not, I saw you posted that your latest Patreon video was a creepypasta theme park one and like, I'm not going to pass on that
Ghostfellow
2021-02-03 22:45:34 +0000 UTCTotally agree about the HP night bus scene! So cringe!
Tom Padget
2021-02-03 22:18:26 +0000 UTCAragog is staring into my soul
Ford Prefect
2021-02-03 22:16:24 +0000 UTComg your cut of Grover holding up medusa's head is so much better xD
Chelsea Counsell
2021-02-03 22:05:56 +0000 UTCLast time I'll reply to myself today I swear, but I just realized how uncomfortably similar the phrase "Jenny's video" is to Benny's Video
Jerry Nicholson
2021-02-03 21:57:32 +0000 UTCThe best part of Forever Knight was the hilariously bleak final season, where they killed everybody off.
Steven Clark
2021-02-03 21:48:07 +0000 UTCI think Sorkin's dialogue always kind of depends on the actors to make it work or give it a voice beyond just "Aaron Sorkin."
Steven Clark
2021-02-03 21:41:18 +0000 UTCHow do you have Pierce Brosnan handing someone a clicky pen that is actually a weapon and not at least making a jokey reference to Goldeneye WHERE THAT EXACT THING IS A PLOT POINT?
Dani Summers
2021-02-03 21:30:02 +0000 UTCThis is a ramble; it's Patreon-only! So it's not about seeing it early, but seeing it at all!!
Marissa Collins
2021-02-03 21:16:34 +0000 UTCThe Percy Jackson musical was the last show I saw on Broadway before it closed and I regret that because it was pretty bad. Not unwatchable, but not something I would ever revisit. It's very obviously a show for kids and very young teens. Most of the audience was children and their parents.
Fiona Lombardo
2021-02-03 21:15:30 +0000 UTCMy brother was really into Buffy back when we were in 7th grade and I saw a couple of the special episodes. We tried to rewatch the whole show last year, but I just got so bored by it that I had to stop. I really like the "special" episodes like "The Body" and "Once More, with Feeling" that work even without the context of the show, but yeah Buffy as a whole is not for me.
Fiona Lombardo
2021-02-03 21:14:22 +0000 UTCI think I'm older than y'all, but what scratched that summer camp itch for *me* was Baby-Sitters Club Super Special #2: Baby-Sitters' Summer Vacation
Marissa Collins
2021-02-03 21:13:19 +0000 UTC"Oh no!"
Hodgkin LeBlanc
2021-02-03 21:04:31 +0000 UTCAbout the pen take! In the source material it is not a clicky pen, it is a pen with a cap on it. Throughout the series they mention that Percy must "uncap" the pen to use ut
Katie Lane
2021-02-03 21:00:44 +0000 UTCas soon as you were like "oh wait" in regards to rewatching shows my brain immediately said "shes gonna say hannibal". fuck yeah. i'd suggest a hannibal ramble if i thought it had even a fraction of a chance, but i might be the only one who's so passionate about it. also i really like this framing set up, aragog looks like your quiet costar.
simrell
2021-02-03 20:52:13 +0000 UTCOh hey it's my birthday, too! It's about to end and it's been overall pretty awful, but the ramble was a pleasant bright spot in between discovering an incredible amount of debt and the next door neighbour blasting his music through the walls for most of the night.
Shaun Cheah
2021-02-03 20:34:46 +0000 UTCThat's me! I am a new person who joined after the Vampire Diaries video! You said you wouldn't have been able to do it without your Patreon and I thought, "Well, I want more content like that, so I better pay up." I want to say that I'm at least one person who notices and appreciates the planning you put into you put into your videos - the VPD vid in particular was just *SO WELL ORGANIZED*. I always love your commentary, but the structure of the last video, the way later points looped back and reinforced earlier points was... *chef's kiss*. Also, and maybe you're interested to know this, maybe you're not, but I really enjoyed the Percy Jackson books and was pretty broken-hearted by the movie adaptations. The one thing that really elevates it from being a pretty boring-run-of-the-mill derivative Harry Potter cash-grab was the relationship between the demigod kids and their parents. Luke's motivation in the book is the same as Musical Luke's, and it IS a good take. The gods do kind of suck, for all the reasons that you mention, but as the series goes on, Percy and the readers start to realize that the reason they act the way they act is that they're literally not human. They feel a certain amount of affection for their kids, but they don't experience love the same way people do, they don't settle down and raise families, they literally live forever, and they will never be there for their kids or love them the way that the kids want them to. There's a really tender moment in the 2nd book where Hermes (Luke's father) is asking Percy about Luke, worried about his wellbeing, wanting him to come home, and Percy asks him why he's so concerned about Luke, when he's betrayed him and tried to kill him and Hermes says, "Because we're family, and that's what families do, even when they're messy or kind of unusual." Anyway. It ultimately has some pretty nice messages about not always having the relationship that you want with the people you love, and learning to meet people where they are with the love they have to give. I thought it was touching, and would have been very empowering for kids at that age to read, especially if they're coming from non-traditional or somehow "imperfect" family situations... which is most of us.
Leigh Hile
2021-02-03 20:28:07 +0000 UTCIn other words, Door Dash stocks are Beanie Babies for Wall Street goons
Jerry Nicholson
2021-02-03 20:26:39 +0000 UTCThe PJ books were my entire life in middle school, so when the movies first came out, I had never hated anything more. Now in retrospect, I can have a good time watching the first movie like the casino scene is absolutely legendary, Pierce Brosnan as Chiron is hilarious, all the scenes with the gods are ridiculous like there are fun moments. But while the first movie is a good bad movie (at times), but the second movie is just straight trash.
Rebecca
2021-02-03 20:23:36 +0000 UTCIt hurt... It hurt bad. I'm not that old, damn it!
Adam Greene
2021-02-03 20:20:06 +0000 UTCDivergent (the book) is one of the only books I've just straight DNF'd, like, consciously made the decision to put down and never pick back up. And I loved HP, Hunger Games, Matched, etc etc. I would love to see Jenny's take on Divergent!!
Marissa Collins
2021-02-03 20:14:54 +0000 UTCYeah, that was the moment when I was like . . . oh god, how much older am I than Jenny????
Marissa Collins
2021-02-03 20:10:22 +0000 UTCYeah, I'd have been fine with this if this was only one character but it just applied for almost everyone. Also, I didn't find Gary Oldman very convincing except when he was drunk at the dinner. It probably was just me- glad that people enjoyed the movie tho. And at least it got stupid me to finally watch Citizen Kane for the first time and I really liked most of it! (I watched it before Mank actually to prepare) There's also a really good video from Be Kind Rewind about whether the film was historically accurate or not.
Yoav Fine
2021-02-03 19:56:36 +0000 UTCid love a divergent video!!! it was my favorite saga when i was like 15 just because the protagonist had a big nose in the books. im easy to win over
Catarina Lopes
2021-02-03 19:55:38 +0000 UTCExactly!
Tj Belton
2021-02-03 19:40:24 +0000 UTCyeah, it wasn't just sword fighting, there was music sessions, art and craft lessons, canoe trips, various sports, and basically living with your friends in a big slumber party
Sofia
2021-02-03 19:37:56 +0000 UTCAt least Mank was about people who wrote for a living. Probably doesn't make it less annoying for you, but it's not inconceivable to me that Davies, Mankiewicz, and Welles could be that witty on their toes.
Jerry Nicholson
2021-02-03 19:34:42 +0000 UTCOhhhhhhhHhhhhHHHHhhhhhh When Oirish oiyes er smoileeeeeennnnnn!!!!!!
Jerry Nicholson
2021-02-03 19:31:00 +0000 UTCthe PJ books really leaned into the comedy, pretty much every chapter had a weird esoteric title, and then horrid shit would happen to our main cast.
Towers of Hanoi
2021-02-03 19:24:48 +0000 UTCI haven’t read the books in a long time but I’m pretty sure his mom dies at the end of a chapter and when he wakes up at the beginning of the next chapter, he soon realizes that his mom was kidnapped and not dead. Also as a kid I always wanted to live at camp half blood and I was very much not a jock, it was described MUCH better than the movies display it; there was some sporty and athletic things but it wasn’t the main focus of the camp. Next, the book has Percy go home for the year-round camp, I don’t know why the movie changed it. Also, Annabeth took over clarice’s character in the first one which was the warrior thing; in the second one, they added in Clarice so Annabeth didn’t need to be a warrior anymore. Grover was also kidnapped in the second book, so it wasn’t just a bad movie choice.
Tj Belton
2021-02-03 19:20:20 +0000 UTCI am a Buffy fan from its original broadcast and I was pulling for Jenny to pick this topic. I have to say I pretty much agree with her analysis. I mean, I like the show (especially the early seasons) but I certainly don’t think it’s perfect. And her main criticism—the fact that all the characters speak with the same voice—is also my biggest criticism. I have the same problem with Kevin Smith movies, although I loved the first few. And for that exact reason I don’t like Aaron Sorkin shows. And the lack of diversity—can’t deny that, but I grew up having to like things in which there was little diversity. So no excuse, but lack of representation is something I have had to get used to. So, well done on the Buffy review, I say. That doesn’t mean I will stop liking it; I think there’s still a lot to like.
Aramis Calcutt
2021-02-03 18:59:00 +0000 UTCIt's very affirming to hear someone else just like, couldn't stand Buffy. I tried and I just couldn't!!! I think it was just like, very of it its time and aged super poorly.
Shiny Skunk
2021-02-03 18:53:07 +0000 UTCwould love a divergent video bc i just recently rewatched the movies myself and god are they awful. & it ties in with what you were saying about the 3rd movie ending with a cliffhanger and the 4th one never existing lol
ollie b
2021-02-03 18:50:35 +0000 UTC(much better than the movies)
Gustavo Bucker
2021-02-03 18:45:09 +0000 UTCpercy jackson books are really good i've read them a long time ago but i have a great impression and would recommend
Gustavo Bucker
2021-02-03 18:41:29 +0000 UTCA Divergent vid sounds interesting yeah
Andre D
2021-02-03 18:40:44 +0000 UTCThe books were a fun summer camp story that had an adventurous Harry Potter vibe rather than the movie’s teen blockbuster romance vibe. Books are a 10/10, if you’re looking for a fun adventure read :)
Hannah Critchfield
2021-02-03 18:29:35 +0000 UTCI think most of your problems w the series [aside from the obvious huge flaws of the movie-only aspects] could be addressed by reading the books/summaries/wiki articles.
Ezra Pearson
2021-02-03 18:24:06 +0000 UTCThere was something similar in the books though right?
TheAdmiral91
2021-02-03 18:11:25 +0000 UTCYes Pajama Sam and Spy Fox are so good! People need to know!
Mary Elizabeth Parker
2021-02-03 17:58:30 +0000 UTCI loved this series as a preteen and have been reading them to my little sister because she got really into the musical through animatics. You probably don't care but I thought I'd address some of the things you raised for the general universe/books. 1. In the book the pen has a cap and when the pen is uncapped it becomes a sword and the cap itself becomes the sheath - I think this was likely intentional because Percy has ADHD and is twelve in the first book so the author probably figured if it was a click pen he would click it nonstop. 2 Grover isn't black in the books (I don't think he's /nonblack/ he could be interpreted that way, the most description I think we get is brown curly hair) and the protector thing is less of a servant role, it's a sort of rite of passage for satyrs (faun is the Roman word), or I guess an internship because Grover has an actual dream job but because the last kid he protected died he needs another chance. 3. Annabeth has lived in camp almost entirely full time because of a bad relationship with her parents, but she starts going home for Summers. Percy does too, the film was just weird. The satyrs live at camp full time unless they're on their special quest to find the god Pan, or are finding new half-blood kids.
Molly
2021-02-03 17:53:10 +0000 UTCOmg you nailed this. It's really funny how the issues you pointed out in the movie are almost all complaints that fans of the book and even the author pointed out. Like no, Percy does not choose to stay at the camp year round in the books and I don't know why they even made the decision to change that?? Also in the books, Grover does have his own arc and purpose (but it was cut from the movie to save time), and it was Percy's Mom who stayed in the Underworld instead of Grover. The quest to get the pearls is also unnecessarily added in--in the book the three of them just need to travel to LA and some monsters find them along the way. About the camp, the movies do such a bad job of developing it. In the books series it genuinely seems like a cool place you'd want to go. They spend more time there, it doesn't seem so weirdly claustrophobic, and people are doing more than just sword fighting with full armor XD I have not seen the musical or heard the songs, but it honestly seems to have at least captured the spirit of the series a lot better.
Malini Correa
2021-02-03 17:52:07 +0000 UTCI think the thing with Riptide is that the pen cap becomes the sheath of the sword!
Molly
2021-02-03 17:50:51 +0000 UTCAnyway, I've been a Buffy fan since the middle of the first season, but I also think a lot of your observations are valid. I was revisiting one of my favorite episodes the other day. One of Whedon's favorite bits is "Is this the part where I..." a semi-fourth-wall break in which a character observes that the story is unfolding in a predictable manner so that the audience doesn't feel like they're getting ahead of the plot. But in this episode, it's a one-shot guest character who does it-- as you say, it's clearly the writer speaking in their own voice.
Ham
2021-02-03 17:46:53 +0000 UTCi am able to watch and i did not make a vimeo account fyi
Eva
2021-02-03 17:45:58 +0000 UTCBuffy for me has really aged badly imo, I was a huge fan back in the day but I almost can't stand it anymore outside of a few stand out episodes that stand the test of time. As for Percy Jackson... I had no knowledge about this series but wow do thsoe movies seem terrible.
radwimp
2021-02-03 17:42:46 +0000 UTCNo problem watching the Vimeo embed here.
Ham
2021-02-03 17:36:53 +0000 UTCI'm curious if Jenny's video will deal with the price bubble in the Beanie Baby collector's market. There's lessons there that can be applied to wider market economy, and unfortunately will probably be very relevant in the near future, with the overvaluation of stocks in companies like Tesla and Uber.
Jerry Nicholson
2021-02-03 17:32:38 +0000 UTCpercy jackson is definitely derivative of hp, but I think camp half blood functions more as a home-base in the books than a main setting. usually they get their quest at camp half blood in the beginning of the book and then spend the story off on some quest across America which appealed to my road-trip loving child self. great ramble as usual <3
carmen
2021-02-03 17:24:04 +0000 UTCI'm a big Percy Jackson fan...I saw the first movie and enjoyed it, then read the books and realized it was kind of bad. I was still excited for the second movie but I think it's important to note that not only is the second movie almost unwatchably terrible, but the second book is, in my opinion, but FAR the worst of the series. The movie never stood a chance, which is a bummer since the third book is my favorite of the first 5. I'm looking forward to the supposed D+ series and I hope that takes off, mostly because I think the follow-up series, Heroes of Olympus, is even better than Percy Jackson and I'd give a lot to get a live action series of that! I read the first few Trials of Apollo but for some reason they kind of turned me off, I feel like HoO got more serious than Percy Jackson, then Trials of Apollo someone got even goofier than Percy Jackson. I do plan on giving all the books a reread sometime soon though.
Olivia Vigrabs
2021-02-03 17:22:16 +0000 UTCTywin and Arya was the best show-only plot. Some really incredible scenes were birthed from that particular story thread.
Shaun Cheah
2021-02-03 17:21:25 +0000 UTCIf you're in one of the tiers with suffrage, you should see a poll on the page near the end of the month. If you're in the highest tier, you should get a message soliciting topics for the poll. I said "should" because Patreon is notoriously unreliable and so it's not wise to presume that any given function will work on any given day. There was, like, a whole month when the Community tab just up and vanished on us.
Shaun Cheah
2021-02-03 17:19:33 +0000 UTCCoco is fantastic, definitely go for that.
Shaun Cheah
2021-02-03 17:13:04 +0000 UTCThis is a pen: music video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9abC7LpgUo
Natalie Arnold
2021-02-03 17:07:58 +0000 UTCPerhaps the real lightning thieves were the intellectual property laws we broke along the way.
Shaun Cheah
2021-02-03 17:04:38 +0000 UTCA lot of the issues in the first movie were not an issue in the books, which is why it's so awful. They literally made changes that create plot holes. In the book they just kind of wander to different places on accident, but it works because the whole thing is a send up of The Odyssey, which was also structured that way. The pearl stuff is movie only and Grover has his own goals that he'd like to work at alongside the main quest. The movie just butchered so much of it. Also, yes, Percy does go back to the real world in the books. They even use Medusa's head to turn his abusive step dad into a statue and sell it as an art piece to support him and his mom lol
Mel Curtis
2021-02-03 16:58:50 +0000 UTCIt’s my birthday so everything that happens today is a birthday present, thanks for this thoughtful gift Jenny
Ren ☆
2021-02-03 16:58:23 +0000 UTCEXCELLENT RAMBLE THANK U
Ren ☆
2021-02-03 16:57:09 +0000 UTCOur long national nightmare is over
Andrew Hill
2021-02-03 16:51:22 +0000 UTClol, i GET why directors and companies are like "Let's take this other property and try to ride it's popularity all the way to the finish line" but after years of movies they have to realize that that kind of thing never works or stands the test of time. also, what's funny i guess that in my sophomore year in HS the English teacher gave all of us percy jackson.. (i swear the Not Advanced english class read Percy Jackson the entire year.. which is like, condescending.) but like all 100 people in my class were OBSESSED with that book and that dumb movie.
Creamer
2021-02-03 16:32:30 +0000 UTCI feel the same about Buffy, I just can't stomach the "witty" dialogue. Also, I didn't like the vampires having Klingon foreheads. Oh btw, not sure if you are interested in vampire shows as a genre, but if so you should check out the 90s(?) show Forever Knight, featuring . . . a vampire cop. I wouldn't say it was _good_, but it was pretty entertaining. Especially since they put in long stretches of the vampire driving aimlessly around Toronto. (Allegedly b/c there was a difference in time allotted for commercials between Canada and the US and they had to add filler.)
Monica McFadden
2021-02-03 16:18:03 +0000 UTCI watched buffy for the first time a couple years ago. I’m bi and while I loved the show the complete 180 that willow pulls really threw me. Like... yes sexuality is fluid and maybe you won’t ever date a guy again, but... you are/were attracted to guys! I think that’s probably a sign of the times too.
Nicole Knapp
2021-02-03 16:12:39 +0000 UTCNow I want to know Jenny's favourite isolated GoT scene. For me its actually one of the first season ones that wasn't in the book, like Tywin butchering the stag or that amazing Robert and Cersei scene. Those guys could actually write, I've got no idea what happened lol
TheAdmiral91
2021-02-03 15:36:02 +0000 UTCPresumably Jacksepticeye.
Andrew Weaver
2021-02-03 15:33:35 +0000 UTCI read the first 3 Percy Jackson books but kind of aged out of them and didn’t feel compelled to finish the series. I never watched any of the movies because I thought they looked awful 😂
Nicholas Amadeo
2021-02-03 15:24:41 +0000 UTCstuck in love is a decent Logan Lerman movie... I feel like he had so much potential
Ariel Elexxus Luke
2021-02-03 15:23:07 +0000 UTCthanks for another great ramble Jenny!! i'm not sure if this is the place for future ramble suggestions, but after hearing about the VPD game, I'd love to hear your thoughts on other point-and-click adventure games like Putt-Putt and Nancy Drew and Pajama Sam!!
Grace Acton
2021-02-03 15:21:21 +0000 UTCOh nice! Fairly speedy
TheAdmiral91
2021-02-03 15:18:44 +0000 UTCoh man, this brings back memories of when I printed out the transcripts to Avatar The Last Airbender. I think I had most of the first season in a binder until I realized how much paper I was wasting.
TimbitMuncher
2021-02-03 15:06:44 +0000 UTCLOVE your thoughts on Buffy!!!
Claudia
2021-02-03 14:55:51 +0000 UTCwhere do we vote for the ramble topic?
Lily
2021-02-03 14:48:35 +0000 UTCAwwwwww, I love that Night Bus scene!
bear
2021-02-03 14:47:23 +0000 UTCi like a lot of sorkin's stuff like no shade to him at all but he can get repetitive tonally imo and i think whedon does this in a way that i find more noticeable — possibly i just enjoy his style less and therefore it stands out more. i do think snappy dialogue can be a good thing but when it overtakes distinguishing speech patterns etc. that would better flesh out or individualise just about every character in a production i find it can be disappointing. (also i do genuinely love the social network but i feel just about everybody in it had this kind of dialogue, especially if you also consider the winkelvosses and the andrew garfield gucci flip flops monologue, which is very good but does fit this overall writing quality)
India Seychew
2021-02-03 14:43:02 +0000 UTCI really enjoyed The Social Network but it's probably the least Sorkin movie out of what I've seen. I remember only Jesse Eisenberg and Justin Timberlake having this type of snarky quick lines. But yeah, once you see enough from Sorkin or Wheadon like Age of Ultron and Steve Jobs- you see the formula and it gets annoying fast. There's also David Fincher's new Netflix movie, Mank, that had this constant style of snappy dialogue for every character that reminded me of Sorkin/Wheadon which is one of the reasons why I didn't really like that movie lol.
Yoav Fine
2021-02-03 14:36:02 +0000 UTCjust started and i just want to say your comment about the sorkin/whedon voice and how it can get annoying because every character in everything they write speaks that way i 10000% agree with omg
India Seychew
2021-02-03 13:58:10 +0000 UTCAgreed, the Annabelle actor has amazingly striking eyes. But there's a Youtuber I've been watching lately with achingly beautiful big blue eyes...
ThereMakeBeSnakes
2021-02-03 13:55:40 +0000 UTCI loved the Percy Jackson books and (like Rick Riordan) hated the film's although I reread the first one recently and imo they're definitely for a younger demographic so reading it for the first time as an adult might make you dislike the series
Philippa
2021-02-03 13:48:59 +0000 UTCI've always liked watching stuff on Vimeo, why does it suck?
Eileen Nguyen
2021-02-03 13:37:28 +0000 UTCI love those books, I highly recommend them if you have time, but don’t like inconvenience yourself to read them. Rick Riordan is like JK Rowling if she wasn’t a sucky person.
Jonathan Bradley
2021-02-03 13:18:03 +0000 UTCThe funny thing is that the prophecy about Percy appears in the first book where he's 12 and the prophecy references him turning 16, so when the movie came out I remember thinking "why is he already 16? Is it gonna be a speedrun of all books?"
Natalia Mazzoni Ramos
2021-02-03 13:00:55 +0000 UTCDefinitely joined the Patreon just to see this early. Love Percy Jackson and hate the movies so I had to hear this. Hopefully the series is better
Clara
2021-02-03 12:57:36 +0000 UTCLogan Lerman was so phenomenal in Hunters I really want to go watch the Percy movies now to see....
Adam Greene
2021-02-03 12:54:40 +0000 UTCI'm now desperately trying to figure out whether Sorkin actually did improve with respect to your critique by the time of The Newsroom or whether the actors' characterisations were just more widely diverse than The West Wing so it was less obvious.
Kav
2021-02-03 12:52:29 +0000 UTCI loved the Percy Jackson books as a kid and I remember my friends and I all going to see the movie together one day after school so excited and just FUMING the whole time lol
Deanna
2021-02-03 12:49:09 +0000 UTCBuffy being your PARENTS show hurt.... oof. I can rant and rave about Buffy, and it is a DEEPLY important show to me on a personal level. However, I also have the distinction of being a genuine Vamp Di fan, too. And I was much older at the time! Fuck masculinity telling men we can't enjoy that stuff. Sorry, but even at their cheesiest, Buffy and VD were fun, impossible to not get caught up in, and I am proud to tell people why. Of course, now that I see how white-washed Buffy/Whedon stuff is, well... Probably not going to be going back ever again.
Adam Greene
2021-02-03 12:47:27 +0000 UTCI remember liking the Norse gods series because the Norse gods are already so crazy that even if the series is off the rails it's in theme lol, but I thought the characters were also really good. Iirc the main character is Annabeth's cousin, but it doesn't try too hard to connect it to the Percy Jackson books. The other spinoffs were pretty weak though
Deanna
2021-02-03 12:46:00 +0000 UTC"Nobody's Home" "Checking Out" "ACTING"
Ford Prefect
2021-02-03 12:35:20 +0000 UTCi never liked the spinoff sequels either!! nico is my favorite character and i heard he got a boyfriend (?) in them so i tried to read it to support The Boy(tm) but i couldnt even get that far before i had to stop reading.... i didnt like them at all
carlyimas
2021-02-03 12:30:36 +0000 UTCsame- i always loved camp halfblood way more than hogwarts. also i think its just a more interesting setting in general? most kids stay at camp halfblood all year round because they dont have families to go back to or because they CANT leave bc its too dangerous. i always thought that was more interesting than just a school. because the camp isnt just a place to learn and train, its Home. also in the books it seems so fun and sprawling and magical and had so many corners and new places to explore.... man i love camp halfblood lol.
carlyimas
2021-02-03 12:27:56 +0000 UTCI was just editing this comment to add Logan Lerman is the Percy actor but It got the whole comment deleted- Patreon is weird, lol. 1) I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who read the wiki synopsis of some tv show episodes instead of watching them lol: I think I did this with Community and The Office. 2) Never seen Buffy but I'm kind of glad to hear that it's not as good as people say it is. At least I have one thing to remove from my never-ending watchlist lol. Also, I'm not that surprised to hear about the lack of POC characters in this show considering the JL allegations Joss Wheadon is under right now according to what Ray Fisher said. 3) I really can't rewatch Game Of Thrones besides the hilarious parts of season 8 tbh, and maybe also the videos of ralphthmoviemaker and Lindsay Ellis talking about how bad the ending was lol. Just watching the good stuff like Jaime and Brienne on season 3 and knowing that it all goes to waste at the end just makes me a little sad. There's also Mr. Robot which I did rewatch when I had free time and before season 4 aired. And, don't get me wrong- the ending is great, and it does everything that GOT and 13 Reasons Why failed to do when it comes to planned storylines, theme and characters consistency, and thoughtful mental health portrayals. And the show mostly totally holds up on rewatch- season 2 even became more enjoyable (and weirdly now my favorite ou of all 4). But yeah I just didn't do a rewatch ever since it ended because I feel like I need to check new stuff and not staying too deep in this- I already have trouble watching some other Rami Malek stuff without thinking I'm seeing an alternate version of his character. There's a movie that came out where he plays a detective and it's just so distracting lol- he talks so similar to Elliot. I think the only show that I did rewatch full episodes of after it ended was Avatar: The Last Airbender. I kind of have a bad time rewatching shows or even watching new shows now because of university exams and stuff- Now I just mostly watch movies and YouTube stuff when I have time because they're less time-consuming. But when it comes to shows I am planning on checking out Gravity Falls, Darkplace, and now Hannibal- thx for the recommendation! And if anyone has tons of free time to binge stuff- you should check out Mr. Robot, Avatar: TLA, and also Atlanta- they're great and are pretty short but I do have to admit I just kind of caught all 3 shows when they started airing lol. Whatever you do- don't watch Legion- everyone said it's the best superhero show but I don't know- the last 2 seasons are kind of like BvS to me and some people loved that movie lol. 4) Yeah Logan Lerman isn't a good actor- he was ok in that movie with Emma Watson when he was playing a shy teen I guess- Perks of Being a Wallflower I think it's the movie's name? It's like an ok generic teen movie- Rian Johnson's Brick is way better. Here's the thing with this actor- he always likes to play the misunderstood misfit that meets a girl that "sees him" and "he sees her" because he's the protagonist or that becomes special because of the plot- it's probably why he wanted to play Percy Jackson. There's actually this hilarious movie that will probably end up on RLM Best of The Worst, called The Vanishing Of Sidney Hall. The Percy Jackson actor plays some knock off of JD Salinger in 3 stages of his life named Sidney Hall- an annoying successful "tortured" author who wrote 2 great novels that we never know what they're about, but the movie claims that they saved people from committing suicide and inspired millions so therefore he's a genius. Logan Lerman plays that guy in 3 stages of his life: a "brilliant rebellious teenager", a 20 something years old "tortured" millionaire and a guy with a really bad beard wig who wanders around and pretends to be 30. He's bad on all 3 modes- it's really funny. 5) Also, stupid random question but speaking of movies- I have enough time tonight to watch a movie and I need to pick between Pixar's Coco or The Last Picture Show (heard about this from a podcast about Polly Platt). I haven't seen either movie, if anyone has, what would you pick? Obviously, the Cars trilogy, Percy Jackson 1-2, and VPD are the true masterpieces but you know I just need to watch either Coco or TLPS so I can validate that to myself.
Yoav Fine
2021-02-03 12:25:53 +0000 UTCif anyone hates using vimeo, it works fine with youtube-dl or jdownloader.
SpiderDisco
2021-02-03 12:13:04 +0000 UTCLMAO. I was in highschool when Buffy was finishing up. I was a big fan, but also lived in Australia ... you could pirate some stuff back then, but only if it was already out on DVD. Back in the day Australia was also like 6-12 months behind the US in most TV shows.... So I was also a total nerd and would read the episode scripts for episodes that hadn't aired here yet >.<
Emily Marie
2021-02-03 12:12:13 +0000 UTCI know this is "damning with faint praise," but you're definitely a better director than Chris Columbus!
Gnome Choomsky
2021-02-03 11:59:18 +0000 UTCI'm super weirded out that I'm in the middle of a buffy rewatch and taking a break for this lol. As far as buffy goes I think you just didn't understand it and I'll explain it to you here... lol no, I mean eh everyone likes different things. I love buffy myself although Xander is super problematic today, he's kinda incel like. A for Chris Columbus, I don't think he's ever made a truly great film. The post Columbus Harry Potter films are directed better and his prior work, the better stuff he just wrote.
Matt Reynolds
2021-02-03 11:47:28 +0000 UTCI think Buffy came out around the Blade era, where vampires were still very much a cool, scary, manly thing. The show also played that up, where Buffy was a girly girl who was facing off against monstrous vampires and other monsters while worrying about boys and her make-up or whatever. Then Twilight changed that perception to such a degree that vampires became something sexy and 'soft', bad boys for a girl to fall in love with. Vampire Dairies was definitely marketed towards that too, making it off as 'Twilight as a TV show' instead of 'new Buffy'.
Trystan
2021-02-03 11:44:08 +0000 UTCI didn't mind the vimeo video, in case you have to post there again 😊 and I didn't have to create an account. I did have to download the app on my phone though
Morganne Murphy
2021-02-03 11:31:03 +0000 UTCfor the amount of moneys patron generate for their owners it's surprising how shitty most (all?) of the functionalities are
who is counting
2021-02-03 11:25:47 +0000 UTCi haven't seen the musical but from everything you said, whenever the movie and the musical diverge it's because the musical is sticking to the book while the movie was essentially beating the book to a bloody pulp then reconstructing the most generic teen movie possible with the raw materials …but unfortunately no, the cyclops taking grover's role in book 2, that's book-accurate. It didn't work in the books either IMO
TalysAlankil
2021-02-03 11:20:11 +0000 UTCalready loving the video!! i spent the ages of 13-17 obsessed with this series so im happy i get to see my favorite youtuber talk about it :) im about halfway through now and all i want to say is that: most problems you addressed almost exclusively live within the movies and stageplay so i think youll love the books if you read them!! or at least be pleasantly surprised :) thank you!! (sorry for english problems)
carlyimas
2021-02-03 11:15:34 +0000 UTCI love all of your videos so much <3
Kyolud
2021-02-03 10:58:52 +0000 UTCany version which doesn't have Posidon in a loud hawaian shirt is a failed version.
Oltanya
2021-02-03 10:56:28 +0000 UTCThe actor who played Luke is like a dollar tree version of Finnick Odair
Jake Torres
2021-02-03 10:50:33 +0000 UTCGod I forgot how much of a mess these movies were hahah
Sean Clarke
2021-02-03 10:48:41 +0000 UTCthanks jenny :)
shai
2021-02-03 10:43:02 +0000 UTCThis just played immediately, no account required, which was nice. I feel like I've seen the Percy Jackson movies now, though they seem like excellent bad movies to watch on a night in with nothing else to pick from, I'm kinda thinking the broadway musical sounds way more entertaining. Also, Percy (in the movie) had a really strong Michael Kelso vibe.
Stephen
2021-02-03 10:42:43 +0000 UTCThat was the BEST part tho lol
Luis
2021-02-03 10:30:37 +0000 UTCI feel like I always wanted to go to Camp Halfblood because it was like all the summer camps I did but how I actually imagined they could be, where the obstacle courses have like lava rivers below them and instead of horseriding you get to fly pegasi lol. I wasn't a sporty kid, but I was a summer-camp-loving one, and this series definitely scratched that itch for me. About Percy, he did usually go home for the school year and come back during the summer. That's why the books are usually spaced a year apart between each one.
Rachel Heiderscheidt
2021-02-03 10:26:43 +0000 UTCThe moment that got claimed was Percy reacting to his mom's death and I'll be DAMNED if they want me to permanently remove that part
Jenny Nicholson
2021-02-03 10:24:31 +0000 UTCWow the ramble didn't use that many clips from the movies and they were short why the copyright claim?! Anyway great video and I'm really looking forward to the Beanie Babies one!
Luis
2021-02-03 10:19:41 +0000 UTCThat works! Thank you so much for taking the time : )
David Wilhelm Beckmann
2021-02-03 10:11:12 +0000 UTCHmm when I click through in a private tab from the embedded video it gives an error message but when I paste the direct link it works. Try this: https://vimeo.com/507871797/f91ace1118
Jenny Nicholson
2021-02-03 10:07:45 +0000 UTCIt works for me right now without a vimeo account. Try logging out maybe.
superb lobster
2021-02-03 10:02:01 +0000 UTCoh my god I’m only 20 minutes in but I have to unload some stuff about Percy Jackson. Writing the screenplay must’ve sucked because so many scenes and ideas in the books just don’t make sense or feel super awkward when you try to visualise them. Like, iirc the pen-sword in the books has a cap that you have to remove to deploy the sword and put back on to sheathe it, which is a really dumb image when you stop to imagine it as a thing that a person has to physically do. Also the big climactic fight in the first book is a sword fight between Percy and Ares in the shallows of a beach. Percy’s using the water to help him but he only wins when he pretends to be tired by willing the waves to become smaller to surprise Ares. It’s treated as this big moment where he learns Annabeth’s lesson about brains over brawn, but like, how is that enough to defeat the literal god of war in combat? I think Luke gives Percy the flying Chucks in the books but he hands them off to Grover. They turn out to be cursed or something so they drag the wearer into Tartarus (which is honestly pretty funny and not nearly as serious as Riordan tries to write it) instead of setting the stage for a terrible nighttime aerial battle in a city. As bad as Lerman is with the comedy, I’m at least thankful that they didn’t carry over the thing from the books where every single time Percy hears a new long Greek name he ‘comically’ messes it up and says some dumb portmanteau of English pop culture terms instead. EDIT: to answer some of your questions, 1) Percy, Annabeth, and Grover all leave camp at the end of summer in the book 2) Grover is white in the book and he has his own satyr quest where he wants to find the god Pan who’s been lost for ages. He starts searching at the end of the first book and gets captured before the second book begins. Percy has dream visions about him and that’s why they go off adventuring, while Clarisse is assigned the Golden Fleece quest. 3) Luke has the musical motivations in the book. He’s hardly ever interacted with his dad Hermes and he thinks the whole system sucks and that the gods are irresponsible and useless. 4) you mentioned how the prophecy probably makes more sense in the books because Percy’s younger but in the books the prophecy age is SIXTEEN Also Percy’s half-brother was a cool addition in the books because it was a welcome way to be like ‘hey maybe you’re not as special as you thought’ and it reinforced the tension of having a dad who’s known for regularly having kids with humans and monsters. He’s basically got this living, breathing reminder of everything he resents about his chosen one status and his family drama, it’s kinda neat. ALSO the books got progressively dumber and crazier as they proceeded and spun off into other series. They introduced Roman forms of the gods who were the same people but with different personalities reflecting the different culture of Rome (there’s even a Roman camp half-blood equivalent). Riordan also wrote an Egyptian counterpart which is confirmed in-text to take place in the same universe as PJ... it’s such a mess.
George Dodd
2021-02-03 10:01:53 +0000 UTCjust to let you know jenny, percy does choose to go back with his mom at the end of the book!
Becca Down
2021-02-03 09:59:03 +0000 UTCNo, it's not a mobile issue. It just says it can't play due to the video's copyright settings. I clicked through all the settings and all I'm left with is that it might be a regional issue. In such cases it usually says so, though, giving you something like "Can't be played in your country" etc. So it doesn't seem to be that either.
David Wilhelm Beckmann
2021-02-03 09:50:55 +0000 UTCIt shouldn't require whitelisting anymore, it's just an unlisted link so clicking through should work Are you on mobile? All I can think is a redirect problem but vimeo sucks so it's hard to guess
Jenny Nicholson
2021-02-03 09:39:40 +0000 UTCNope, won't play. How did you guys access it? I can't find a function that allows me to link patreon to vimeo. However, Patreon tells me there's a possibility for creators to put websites on the "Whitelist" so that videos from there can be embedded on the Patreon page. I'm sure Jenny dove deep into all that and this is the best result there was, though. Still, any hints?
David Wilhelm Beckmann
2021-02-03 09:32:15 +0000 UTCBless
Tony M Parker
2021-02-03 09:29:34 +0000 UTCThank you Jenny!
Joel Vee
2021-02-03 09:27:56 +0000 UTCIt sounds like if the feature worked it's not even supposed to require an account, it just doesn't work at all :|
Jenny Nicholson
2021-02-03 09:26:57 +0000 UTCThanks for the hustle jenny!
Juan Avila
2021-02-03 09:22:35 +0000 UTCAwwww yis!!
Neil Dutton
2021-02-03 09:20:39 +0000 UTCI really love how patreon made a big blog post without ever mentioning how patrons should connect their account to Vimeo lol
Kolbrún Matthíasdóttir
2021-02-03 09:18:58 +0000 UTCthanks for this!
who is counting
2021-02-03 09:17:42 +0000 UTCHalleeeelooooyyyaaaahhhh. ☺😆😊😀😁😃😄😅
UK73
2021-02-03 09:14:23 +0000 UTCIt works now because I switched it to an unlisted sharable link and removed the patreon compatibility, ie the thing they just charged me $200 for lol so now I get the features youtube offers better and free
Jenny Nicholson
2021-02-03 09:13:49 +0000 UTCYay! Jenny you genius, you fixed it!
Ellinor Flood
2021-02-03 09:12:35 +0000 UTCits working!
Jeddie Biggers
2021-02-03 09:12:01 +0000 UTCBy "they" I mean Vimeo and Youtube but I hope that was clear!
Ellinor Flood
2021-02-03 09:11:39 +0000 UTCPraise Zeus
ThatDude
2021-02-03 09:10:57 +0000 UTCIt's working for me now!
Ben Lyons
2021-02-03 09:10:46 +0000 UTCPlays fine for me through the patreon app on android, didn't need to make/login to a vimeo account.
Mighties
2021-02-03 09:10:41 +0000 UTCwait aaa it works congrats!!
Gina Kim
2021-02-03 09:10:24 +0000 UTCVimeo and YouTube are lightning thieves
ThatDude
2021-02-03 09:10:20 +0000 UTCIt's working now :D
Luis
2021-02-03 09:09:58 +0000 UTCI can't even see a way to connect vimeo to my patreon account.
Neil Dutton
2021-02-03 09:09:29 +0000 UTCMade an account and couldn't find an option to link my patreon, no dice. :(
Alex Campbell
2021-02-03 09:08:51 +0000 UTCThe link takes me to "Sorry, we couldn’t find that page" why do they have to make this so hard?
Ellinor Flood
2021-02-03 09:08:43 +0000 UTCAt this point YouTube must be out to get you and I won’t let anyone tell me otherwise
Matt Hayhoe
2021-02-03 09:08:26 +0000 UTC“Vimeo Bad” video when?
Jiminy's Journal
2021-02-03 09:07:50 +0000 UTCsays i don't have permission to watch :( lol edit: it works!!
Cameron Beveridge
2021-02-03 09:07:26 +0000 UTCit let me log in after making an account, but now it is saying that I don't have permission. I just want the goods and the goofs @ youtube copyright demons
Jeddie Biggers
2021-02-03 09:07:08 +0000 UTCSame
Neil Dutton
2021-02-03 09:07:02 +0000 UTCThis is an incredible 'trials of hercules' metaphor right?
Neil Dutton
2021-02-03 09:05:34 +0000 UTCmy login option disappeared when i refreshed the page it just says unavailable now f
Gina Kim
2021-02-03 09:05:20 +0000 UTCThat’s weird. Todd uploads his stuff to Vimeo for Patreon previews and there’s never any difficulty with it
Matthew Abbott
2021-02-03 09:04:04 +0000 UTCYeah, I'm guessing those fellas are not gonna break that YouTube monopoly up any time soon...
Gleren37
2021-02-03 09:03:04 +0000 UTCI'll add it to the post but it sounded like coming through patreon was what was required to whitelist you so idk if the system will read that as "through" patreon
Jenny Nicholson
2021-02-03 09:02:48 +0000 UTCmaybe if you posted the link in the post to redirect us to the vimeo page it would work? :'(
sweet dee
2021-02-03 09:01:58 +0000 UTCIs this an iq test
Michael Puckett
2021-02-03 09:01:40 +0000 UTCYou could try streamable if Vimeo doesn't work
Galewolf
2021-02-03 09:01:38 +0000 UTCI logged in, but it says I don't have permission to watch it. Maybe because my vimeo account is under a different email?
Sarah French
2021-02-03 09:01:35 +0000 UTCJenny vs YouTube continues.
Matty Sievers
2021-02-03 09:00:53 +0000 UTCstruggling lmao
Gina Kim
2021-02-03 09:00:35 +0000 UTCThat's so stupid
Jenny Nicholson
2021-02-03 09:00:15 +0000 UTCYep, it requires me to log in.
Gleren37
2021-02-03 08:59:34 +0000 UTCyou're a hero, now I'll go figure out how to view this
Poco Quinn
2021-02-03 08:59:01 +0000 UTC
