Joker

"Not gonna make friends with this one," this aged like fine wine lmao.

Siobhan is On

I do see your point and I do get that it was a climactic moment in the film with, yeah, the final push to really show the birth of the Joker. And there were people in the theater that had those types exclamations but the two sitting next to us really had a type of energy and like a tone of awe that made it really uncomfortable. It really felt like a celebration of the death and the snapping rather than a celebration for the birth of the joker or climax of the film. They had also let out some low cheers and whoops when he murdered his ex coworker from the clown agency (I can't remember his name) so it was also a culmination of the whole experience sitting next to them during the film.

Nagako

Well, I didn’t yell YES or anything else when it happened, but I kind of understand why people get exited by the talk show scene. The Joker’s story is a tragedy and I know that going into the movie. So what I expect to see is a tragedy. The talk show scene is the climax of this tragedy, where Arthur finally snaps and the Joker is born. Most people probably don’t celebrate the death of the host, but the birth of the Joker. This scene is also a familiar situation to most people, where someone is mean or unfair to them, but because of hierarchy or authority they can’t really speak up and defend themselves. So they silently eat it up and get angrier and angrier. That’s what happened to the Joker the whole movie, but in this scene he just let it all go in a burst of rage and did what many would like to do when put into a similar situation. So people yell YES and celebrate.

Lucas Hauswald

Oh, no!

Steve Ray

iirc in one of the Batman comics the going out of business sign was actually an heirloom belonging to a family of unsuccessful business owners. The grandfather's yogurt shop closed down and he passed the sign off to his son and after his music store shut down the sign was to be passed down to another family member who was opening a pet shop or maybe I made that up I dunno.

Luis

I like people to enjoy things, but I got to admit, it feels good when tippy find someone you support on patreon hates the same popular thing as you. And this is the second tone utter happens with Jenny (Rogue One was the first).

Elías Mochán

No such thing as a moral billionaire? What an adolescent take. Remember what they say...Proudhon cometh before a fall.

Steve Ray

So what I'm getting is Jenny won't watch me do comedy at an open mic night.

5in100ents

joker i hardly knew ya

Sordahon

It's an homage

Jerry Nicholson

Do you happen to just coincidentally have the same last name?

Bree

Great video as always. Still loved the movie but you made some good points.

1000thghost

Lol the moral billionaire as if there is such a thing. What a childish take

I want to make inferences about what movies Jenny has seen but I don't have enough data points.

Jerry Nicholson

Yeah I hate when unreliable narrator is used as an excuse for nonsense story. Great video though :D

Crystal Robinson

I really like this comment, and thank you so much for making it. But I wanted to say that you made my brain short-circuit because of comparing Buster Keaton to Batman, but also Michael Keaton played Batman in the Tim Burton film, and every time you said Keaton, my brain went to the wrong one and I had to stop and reset!

Rick Clark

The Clown Unions are VERY strong in Gotham. That’s why they had to hire out from a Clown Talent Agency.

Alex Theisen

Unexpected Jerma985

Eric MacMillan

S O C I E T Y

ZBL

YES! I am so thrilled you did a breakdown of this movie. The boyfriend really wanted to see it and enjoyed it as a slow character study and I was just like ...no. I am so fucking bored and also this movie is so far up it's own butt and missing the marks that would make it a good movie. WITH YOU COMPLETELY on the most interesting and intense things being in the beginning with the lamented card and his first stand-up routine etc. The theater we were in did have two guys sitting next to us that also yelled out "YES!" in an extremely triumphant tone when the host was shot that made both the boyfriend and I immediately and unbelievably uncomfortable (even with him enjoying the film as a Joker origin story) so that clip you played of the guy cheering is just like. UGH. WHY.

Nagako

This video was great! Now I feel like I don't need to go see it. As an aside, though, I'd like to comment on your points about the Chaplin parallel (I actually wrote a paper on this once lol). I think the parallel is probably fairly poignant (maybe moreso than this movie deserves) for two reasons: 1) Charlie Chaplin's tramp character is interesting in that the storlyines from each movie or short don't carry over, and he's always back at square one: a clown down on his luck. It's kind of this sick cycle of putting this character in really sad, messed up scenarios. Although the films have a "happy ending," generally the main message of Chaplin's tramp films (and most of Chaplin's work, tbh) is that life sucks and sometimes it can be kind of funny, but mostly it just sucks. This leads me into point 2: 2) Charlie Chaplin's main dramatic *and* comedic tool is bathos. Bathos is kind of like pathos, except it treads into the absurd. That is, Chaplin's tramp character is so pathetic it's ridiculous. Of course, Chaplin is great at physical comedy, but the main comic beats come from the tramp having terrible things happen to him to the point where it's so ridiculous you laugh (if you're into that kind of comedy, that is). I think if we look at those two points, the Chaplin film and Chaplin's tramp serve as a good (again, if undeserved) parallel for the main character in Joker. I haven't seen Joker (and probably won't), so I might be off, but it seems like the main character just has a bunch of ridiculously awful stuff happen to him to the point where he just embraces it. I think that's pretty similar to Chaplin's tramp character, except that the tramp seems more resigned than accepting. If anything, it seems that Joker really relies on the same tool of bathos that Chaplin liked to use. It seems like the thing that separates the two characters is Chaplin's excellent use of physical comedy. For a good contrast, check out Buster Keaton, who is kind of the hapless Batman to Chaplin's Joker. Keaton's main character (who didn't have as distinct of a look as Chaplin's tramp, but was a consistent character) is always getting himself into absurd and unfortunate situations, but he always perserveres. Keaton's movies are generally very uplifting, and the comedy comes from how Keaton's character ends up in those situations and extricates himself from them successfully. Normally I wouldn't go on a tangent like this, but you seem interested in the Chaplin parallel so I thought I'd give my $0.02. Love your vids btw!!

Katie

I haven't seen this movie but WATCH ME JUDGE IT ANYWAY: Thomas Wayne being in this movie as a mean 1%-er is so trite. First, who cares about Thomas Wayne? His narrative purpose is to be Bruce's loving father and that's it. This is like if Disney made a Bambi prequel about how Bambi's mom was actually really mean to the other deer in her younger years. Second, Bruce's parents are generally portrayed in comics as philanthropists. I'm not bringing this up because I stan the Waynes, I'm bringing it up because it would be much more interesting to have Thomas Wayne in this as a well-meaning rich guy who was both generous and nice, but privileged (and maybe conflicted about it?), rather than him just being mean. But ultimately I don't think Thomas Wayne should have been in this at all and they just put him in for a lame twist that has all the subtlety of middle schoolers going, "What if Barney the dinosaur was a REAL dinosaur and ATE people!"

Monica McFadden

too much headspace jenny zoom in

Emmie Grace

I’m a big “Batman” fan, but I prefer the cartoon-y/goth-y versions, and had no interest in seeing the movie because it looked so grim and (potentially) pretentious… but now I’m glad it exists, because this was such a funny and interesting takedown! As an aspiring writer, I always appreciate your insight, and how hard you push for thematic/character consistency… it inspires me to try to be more rigorous with my own work... :)

Dee Crosier

I appreciate you posting this. I haven't gotten to see the movie yet but was also putting it off because I kept hearing a lot of the things you mentioned, but in less detail, and I like to know what I'm getting myself into before watching movies dealing with mental health. So thank you! Great vid as always.

Samantha

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!!

Theme Park Review

Further proof that the movie studios should hire Jenny to consult on their films!

Luis

Rats, we're rats, we're the rats. We prey at night, we stalk at night, we're the rats

Bryan Sutton

Joker sounds about as up its own ass as I expected, glad I decided to wait until it's streaming somewhere

The Doom Merchant

I'm a Super Rat!! <3

Marissa Collins

Mate's just shown me a 4chan post referencing this 🙄 some of those people need to go outside.

Alex Dixon

6am CT so it must be 4am PT. Night Owl Jenny confirmed. Hope you get enough sleep over there, lady.

Bree

Well I can respect differing opinions and at least you acknowledge people will disagree. Personally I really liked the joker... Even if the press tour revealed that Todd Philips is way less intelligent then he thinks he is and it shows in the film. It's still the best comic book film since winter soldier and the best dc film since Christopher Nolan worked was directing batman... Not sure if that's an endorsement if everything else is just kinda fine though eh.

Matt Reynolds

Your hours are as wild as mine

The Doom Merchant