LettsReact / Arcane 2x8

New here so unsure if this is allowed… Please delete if not. But if anyone wants a deep dive into Caitlyn’s character (which really helps contextualize things) check out Tilda Owen’s videos and it might make you think a little differently.

Emily Zuck

2025-01-24 02:12:39 +0000 UTC

It's because our society is obsessed with the idea of privilege, and inequality. Those things exist obviously, but to try and connect it to each and every social issue is such a folly of the 21st century.

Andrew Blades

2025-01-14 17:25:31 +0000 UTC

I thought a lot about Montana’s comment for Caitlyn holding the key and Jinx being in the cell. I honestly don’t know what else Caitlyn was supposed to do especially when Jinx surrendered. Jinx is my favorite character but she has been literally killing and hurting people since before season 1. It makes sense she was being held in a cell, Cait didn’t know how dangerous and manic she was going to be at the time. She also could have taken additional steps but waited for Vi to recover to get the full story (again giving agency to her). I dont think its a good idea to bring out the list of what they had done and compare to decide on their positions because I think Jinx would have lost. I guess people are really bothered by the fact that Jinx was the one being “punished” while Cait is standing out there because of her privileges. And yeah thats the point of the story. Thats unfortunately the broken system in Piltover. Both sides are in this cycle of violence in different ways and innocents get hurt but topside always has the upper hand. I think Caitlyn also gets her punishments both mentally and physically in the last episode and she knows she had it coming. It is true that Cait lets go of Jinx because she chooses Vi over her hatred in this episode, but its also much more than that. She gains a much better understanding of her self and the consequences of her actions and privilege. Most of the time its not in our hands to have certain privileges or not. For Caitlyn’s story its about what that means to her and what she does with them. Going back to the initial question of her character “Begs the question young Kiramman, what are you shooting for?”. We see her doing both good and bad things in season 1 and 2. I think at the end, with letting Jinx go and passing her seat in the council to Sevika she demonstrates her stance on this and how to move forward. Arcane is not about excusing behaviors, its about contextualize them and learning how to change. In a show where everybody faces their own demons, Caitlyn’s story made completely sense to me.

King57

2025-01-01 21:26:17 +0000 UTC

I am a bit disappointed at how superficial people look at Cait’s character development this season. Condensing her arc to her privilege is not the correct view in my opinion. Infact, one of the points of her story is her struggling to understand and use her priveleges in the right way she thinks and also seeing the consequences of her actions. Arcane characters really need to be analyzed including their season 1 journey because everything is about duality. But she did not immediately flipped from being a cupcake to being a dictator. There is a lot of mental struggles and challenges that go into that. I dont think Caitlyn holds the key anymore in this episode (thats what happened in season 1). Infact, she really flips the dynamic of their relationship and gives a lot of agency Vi and thats the point of them moving forward as equals. She compeltely lets Vi make her own choices.

King57

2024-12-31 23:12:50 +0000 UTC

I guess what i can ask is given your values you can't forgive Kate, but do your values allow you to empathize with a person whose values would allow them to forgive Kate?

Kyle Junge

2024-12-27 00:19:28 +0000 UTC

i dont think ive ever heard yall be so critical of the writing before lol, unfortunately I do think the last two eps of this season are kinda a mess. lot of great ideas but lacking execution.

blitzø

2024-12-25 23:33:57 +0000 UTC

@Nathan I get what you're saying and you don't have to agree with me either, I just don't see the relationship being equal at all, ESPECIALLY because literally seconds prior to the sex scene Vi was distraught, emotional, and at her lowest low AGAIN and they then have sex in the prison where her sister was basically depressed to the point of just about giving up completely on life. To me, this smells like when you are interested in someone who has had a rough time emotionally and they fall into making out with you, it's only responsible and reasonable to not take advantage of that moment and let that continue and let them be on an even keel first and then see what you want to do. It's extremely rushed so I blame the network for not giving it another season and the writers for rushing to the end game but it still feels wrong for me and Vi deserves better for her loyalty and love than someone who will throw them away and then pick them up again randomly instead of seeking her out and asking for her forgiveness and making her an equal partner in the relationship, should they wish to continue it. That's pretty much all I have to say about it

fr0st

2024-12-25 06:32:08 +0000 UTC

Sorry Master Gravy, Patreon subchats are the worst, I didn't see your reply. I agree to an extent but to me there are two relationships in play here: one is Cait and Zaun, where Vi is caught up in the middle since Cait is targeting Zaun to get them to give up Jinx for her revenge and it's a very "you're either with me or against me" in her mind and so Vi must be with her or she'll be against her. This is at the start of S2. The other is the relationship between Cait and Vi as individuals and what happens here is that Cait always uses her privilege to do what she wants: break Vi out of jail, convince Vi to trust her and go to the Council with the hextech in S1 and in S2 this escalates to taking over against the Council through Military power and her family name and money, then setting up her private hextech police force to hunt down her mother's murderer. Now, in the individual relationship, sometime in S1 Vi leaves Cait saying they are oil and water, etc. but never hurts her physically or pushes her away, just tells her it won't work and not to come after her. In S2, Vi is stopping Cait from going down a path of murdering an innocent child to get to Jinx and Cait attacks Vi and abandons her for drawing that line slash stopping Cait. To me, in this relationship, Cait gets to move on and take over and Vi has turned class traitor for Cait, joins the police force that killed her parents, and turned against her own family (Jinx) to support Cait but now Cait has tossed her aside and walked away, so she has literally nobody left. When they meet again, to restore the balance with someone she loves, I would expect Cait to show contrition and regret for how she treated Vi despite everything Vi gave up for Cait. By doing this, they would be able to get on an equal footing in the relationship where Cait seeks forgiveness and Vi is in a place to give it or not and then they can move forward from there based on what they both want. By skipping this and going simply to Cait saying she knows she was being manipulated (not an apology, just acknowledgement of fact) and then letting Vi do what she wants with Jinx, neither of this still puts them on equal footing. In any relationship, if person A is in a position of privilege, they need to establish the equal footing with person B so that they can both be equals. In this case, I still see the ground completely being unequal and further so because Vi has literally nothing left when she embraces Cait in her lowest, most emotional moments and then is basically kept in Cait's home as "the dirt under her nails" which honestly I hate a lot because of the shudder-worthy undertones of classism there. Anyway, you don't have to agree, that's just how I see it. We can say actions are louder than words but I say when you deliberately did something to an individual you love to hurt them, apology and an expression of remorse comes first, then changed behavior, not just changed behaviour without the first.

fr0st

2024-12-25 06:28:39 +0000 UTC

I see where you’re coming from, and I get why Caitlyn’s privilege and her actions might rub people the wrong way. But I don’t think her grief excuses everything, rather, it contextualizes her behavior. Her words like 'these animals' were awful and showed her bias in a raw moment of pain. That said, I believe the show subtly tries to show her growth through her actions. Trusting Vi with Jinx’s fate, despite knowing what it could cost her, is a powerful gesture. It’s not a perfect apology, but it’s a step forward. And honestly, not everything needs to be perfect, it’s human nature to falter and make mistakes. As Viktor once said, 'There is no price to perfection, only an end to pursuit.' Caitlyn’s journey is messy and imperfect, but that’s what makes it real. Her flaws and actions reflect her humanity, and her willingness to learn and grow is what matters most. The intimate moment between Vi and Caitlyn was simple but meaningful. Vi initiated it, showing her trust in Caitlyn despite everything. Caitlyn didn’t offer words or apologies, she didn’t need to. Her actions in that moment spoke volumes, showing that she was there for Vi NOW and fully committed to their bond, flaws and all. Caitlyn’s growth isn’t perfect, and I get why some might feel it’s incomplete, but her flaws and humanity make her arc compelling to me. It’s about progress, not perfection. (its crazy how much understanding people have towards all of jinx's horrible actions compared to this. PS i love Jinx)

Nathan

2024-12-25 05:43:44 +0000 UTC

Absolutely, I'm going to just say I don't have any issues with Maddie and leave it at that. To your next point, I don't think Cait was manipulated into hurting Vi at all. She was grieving, yes, but does that make it okay to gas "these animals" at large and hurt Vi and abandon her when she's really angry at Jinx and wants revenge for her mother? He sin isn't that she lashes out (that's human), it's that we see zero realisation of her own internalised privilege and treating people in her life who love her (Vi) badly as a result of it and skip straight to a makeout scene. As for expressing remorse, when does Cait fight alongside Vi? They are all literally under attack by common enemies on both sides (corrupted Vander on one side and Ambessa who knows Cait betrayed her on the other) so I genuinely ask why you think this is a case of Cait showing changed behaviour when it's literally just them both being targeted by the same forces and banding together against them. I don't see where Cait tries to bridge any gaps between their worlds aside from season 1 and that, as I've addressed already is basically poverty tourism. She wants to do charity works and help the poor people until it's personal and one of them kills her mother and then they are instantly dehumanized to "these animals" despite Vi literally being one of those same people. If you're a poc, you'll be incredibly familiar with her rhetoric of Vi being "one of the good ones" and the rest of her people being animals and it stings a lot for the person. To sum it up, I'm going to ask where you are seeing any commitment to Vi because Cait literally just lets Vi go see Jinx instead of just freeing Jinx herself (actually using actions to show change) and then goes to see her in the prison. There is no changed action here, just the same sort of passiveness we see from her in Season 1 despite her literally being a dictator at this point and being able to do what she pleases with nobody to stop her. Not trying to be rude, but honestly, I feel like the fact that people want to like Caitlyn blinds them to her incredibly fucked up actions as a result of her privilege and she has zero accountability for it and gets Vi as her happy ending too. It just doesn't sit well with me. As for the sex scene, Vi does not know anything about what's coming ahead. It's a regular day for her (aside from the, you know, being really upset about her sister and being locked in prison). Cait knows about the battle ahead but Vi initiates it so she's upset, desperate and at her lowest point and Cait doesn't even apologize or make amends for the last time she left Vi so alone in the world that she was sobbing on the floor and punishing herself with fights and drinking. Once again, there is no dire situation in Vi's mind, she does not know about anything that's happened outside because she has been locked in the prison for some time and out of it when unconscious.

fr0st

2024-12-25 01:11:53 +0000 UTC

I understand what you want out of Caitlyn's arc, but I think you're maybe not taking into account a fairly consistent theme of S2. You don't have to be perfectly redeemed to be worthy of forgiveness or love or a "second chance". These characters are deeply flawed and reflect how messy people actually are. There are things in life that can never be undone, you can only make the right choice moving forward. It's a through line with almost all the main characters. The issue between Vi and Caitlyn revolved around Jinx, which I think was effectively resolved by Cait giving Vi control over what happened with Jinx - even if that meant completely losing her. I don't know that there's a better way to show someone like Vi that you love them than by ensuring their autonomy. It's putting trust in her that she doesn't even have in herself. Caitlyn prostrating herself for Vi's forgiveness would have been so totally out of character it would've ruined her for everyone, including the people that wanted that type of groveling from her.

Master Gravy

2024-12-24 17:53:26 +0000 UTC

Before I say anything that might... I don’t know, offend anyone (one must be cautious nowadays), I want to mention that I have watched Arcane so many times that I've lost count. That includes both seasons. With that in mind, I’ve noticed many details upon multiple rewatches, which is why I feel I have a good understanding of the characters and the nuances of the story. I must also say that I love every single character in Arcane. Yes, that includes Maddie. Why Maddie, you say? Because she’s Noxian through and through. She was born and raised into that culture, serving her country with unwavering dedication. She fulfilled her role phenomenally. We can hate her for what she’s done, and that’s fine, but as a character, she’s perfect. Now, addressing the hate for Caitlyn: It seems many people forget that her wound was VERY fresh at the time. Losing her mom was an immense emotional blow, and just when she was grieving, an attack occurred at the memorial. This was like adding salt to an already gaping wound. This context alone should give insight into Caitlyn’s anger and the emotional turmoil that influenced her decisions. When Caitlyn hit and betrayed Vi, it wasn’t out of malice or calculated intent to harm her. Caitlyn was grieving, angry, and emotionally blinded. Her mother’s death shook the foundation of her world, and she was manipulated by the intense emotions of the moment and by others around her who may have taken advantage of her vulnerability. It’s crucial to recognize that grief affects people differently—it clouds judgment, intensifies emotions, and can make even the most level-headed person act irrationally. Caitlyn was no exception to this. Moreover, not all apologies need to be said verbally. Caitlyn demonstrated her remorse through her actions time and time again. She fought alongside Vi, risked her own safety for her, and consistently tried to bridge the gap between their worlds. These acts are her way of saying, “I’m sorry” without using words. Actions often speak louder than words, and Caitlyn’s loyalty and commitment to Vi show how much she cares and regrets her past mistakes. As for the intimate moment between Caitlyn and Vi, let’s consider the context. They were on the brink of war, facing an uncertain tomorrow. Both knew there was a chance they wouldn’t survive the battles ahead. Their shared moment wasn’t just about passion; it was a deeply human expression of love and vulnerability. It was their way of saying, “I care about you,” “I trust you,” and “I want to be with you, even if this is our last night.” For two people who have endured so much, it makes perfect sense that they would seek comfort and connection in each other before facing such a dire situation.

Nathan

2024-12-24 17:36:31 +0000 UTC

Before I say anything that might... I don’t know, offend anyone (one must be cautious nowadays), I want to mention that I have watched Arcane so many times that I've lost count. That includes both seasons. With that in mind, I’ve noticed many details upon multiple rewatches, which is why I feel I have a good understanding of the characters and the nuances of the story. I must also say that I love every single character in Arcane. Yes, that includes Maddie. Why Maddie, you say? Because she’s Noxian through and through. She was born and raised into that culture, serving her country with unwavering dedication. She fulfilled her role phenomenally. We can hate her for what she’s done, and that’s fine, but as a character, she’s perfect. Now, addressing the hate for Caitlyn: It seems many people forget that her wound was VERY fresh at the time. Losing her mom was an immense emotional blow, and just when she was grieving, an attack occurred at the memorial. This was like adding salt to an already gaping wound. This context alone should give insight into Caitlyn’s anger and the emotional turmoil that influenced her decisions. When Caitlyn hit and betrayed Vi, it wasn’t out of malice or calculated intent to harm her. Caitlyn was grieving, angry, and emotionally blinded. Her mother’s death shook the foundation of her world, and she was manipulated by the intense emotions of the moment and by others around her who may have taken advantage of her vulnerability. It’s crucial to recognize that grief affects people differently—it clouds judgment, intensifies emotions, and can make even the most level-headed person act irrationally. Caitlyn was no exception to this. Moreover, not all apologies need to be said verbally. Caitlyn demonstrated her remorse through her actions time and time again. She fought alongside Vi, risked her own safety for her, and consistently tried to bridge the gap between their worlds. These acts are her way of saying, “I’m sorry” without using words. Actions often speak louder than words, and Caitlyn’s loyalty and commitment to Vi show how much she cares and regrets her past mistakes. As for the intimate moment between Caitlyn and Vi, let’s consider the context. They were on the brink of war, facing an uncertain tomorrow. Both knew there was a chance they wouldn’t survive the battles ahead. Their shared moment wasn’t just about passion; it was a deeply human expression of love and vulnerability. It was their way of saying, “I care about you,” “I trust you,” and “I want to be with you, even if this is our last night.” For two people who have endured so much, it makes perfect sense that they would seek comfort and connection in each other before facing such a dire situation.

Nathan

2024-12-24 17:34:55 +0000 UTC

Before I say anything that might... I don’t know, offend anyone (one must be cautious nowadays), I want to mention that I have watched Arcane so many times that I've lost count. That includes both seasons. With that in mind, I’ve noticed many details upon multiple rewatches, which is why I feel I have a good understanding of the characters and the nuances of the story. I must also say that I love every single character in Arcane. Yes, that includes Maddie. Why Maddie, you say? Because she’s Noxian through and through. She was born and raised into that culture, serving her country with unwavering dedication. She fulfilled her role phenomenally. We can hate her for what she’s done, and that’s fine, but as a character, she’s perfect. Now, addressing the hate for Caitlyn: It seems many people forget that her wound was VERY fresh at the time. Losing her mom was an immense emotional blow, and just when she was grieving, an attack occurred at the memorial. This was like adding salt to an already gaping wound. This context alone should give insight into Caitlyn’s anger and the emotional turmoil that influenced her decisions. When Caitlyn hit and betrayed Vi, it wasn’t out of malice or calculated intent to harm her. Caitlyn was grieving, angry, and emotionally blinded. Her mother’s death shook the foundation of her world, and she was manipulated by the intense emotions of the moment and by others around her who may have taken advantage of her vulnerability. It’s crucial to recognize that grief affects people differently—it clouds judgment, intensifies emotions, and can make even the most level-headed person act irrationally. Caitlyn was no exception to this. Moreover, not all apologies need to be said verbally. Caitlyn demonstrated her remorse through her actions time and time again. She fought alongside Vi, risked her own safety for her, and consistently tried to bridge the gap between their worlds. These acts are her way of saying, “I’m sorry” without using words. Actions often speak louder than words, and Caitlyn’s loyalty and commitment to Vi show how much she cares and regrets her past mistakes. As for the intimate moment between Caitlyn and Vi, let’s consider the context. They were on the brink of war, facing an uncertain tomorrow. Both knew there was a chance they wouldn’t survive the battles ahead. Their shared moment wasn’t just about passion; it was a deeply human expression of love and vulnerability. It was their way of saying, “I care about you,” “I trust you,” and “I want to be with you, even if this is our last night.” For two people who have endured so much, it makes perfect sense that they would seek comfort and connection in each other before facing such a dire situation.

Nathan

2024-12-24 17:34:30 +0000 UTC

I understand caits character and like her still but I do agree that people wouldn’t be arguing to much about this if we had more time to see cait change/realize her actions and work towards improving while I liked the subtlness of her arc time would also be necessary for it

Braden Jackson

2024-12-24 17:32:10 +0000 UTC

Looking back on the episode it’s unclear if Warwick is dead or alive before he is evolved so at worst she was able to temporarily take him out of action

Braden Jackson

2024-12-24 16:08:07 +0000 UTC

Thankyouuu!! :D

yani

2024-12-24 14:53:36 +0000 UTC

I feel like it is intentional though, far too often do the privileged dodge accountability, I wonder if us being left with the discomfort that she’s got away with it is the whole point.

Tom Johnson

2024-12-24 10:00:32 +0000 UTC

I love the little details in this show with body language. Like Ambessa saying "you're alive!" and reaching out towards Mel with open arms to embrace her but Mel is just stoic and standing there. She really does care about her kid and Mel really is starting to hold those boundaries with her knowing that the love is there but Ambessa is not quite trustworthy despite that

fr0st

2024-12-24 09:42:08 +0000 UTC

I hope Montana sees this: you're right and you should say it. Lots of people on the internet just love Cait's character and are attracted to her and try to excuse it but sorry, Cait absolutely needs to acknowledge the past hurt she has caused to Violet and to Zaun before she gets a redemption arc (IF that is what the writers wanted, it's also fine to not want to have a redemption arc for Cait but the sex scene suggests that's what we're going for and Vi forgives because she's at rock bottom and infatuated but the rest of us can see more clearly).

fr0st

2024-12-24 09:40:25 +0000 UTC

Vi doesn't know that and she makes the first move. Just not great writing, we don't have to make excuses for the writers when they should have had another full season to flesh things out properly and not skip things to finish up quickly.

fr0st

2024-12-24 09:37:37 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I have never seen anyone else catching that. Well done, Kenny, and in such a flash too!

fr0st

2024-12-24 09:36:36 +0000 UTC

Right??! Cait is a perfect (unintentional I think because of the way it plays out and she gets zero accountability for it) example of the privileged doing a bit of tourism with the poors. Their heart bleeds for them and they want to be fair and just and give them right until they actually have some skin in the game, and then they immediately relapse into "those animals" and dehumanizing language for all of them, even while professing feelings for one of "those animals".

fr0st

2024-12-24 09:36:01 +0000 UTC

It's really divisive but you're absolutely right in that they really did not develop Cait's change of heart at all. Personally, watching the prison makeout scene, I was like yay for explicit sapphic romance scene in queer media but also boo because Caitlyn needs to earn a redemption if that's what we're going for and Vi deserves amends and an apology. "While you were gone... I was seeing someone else", not while she was GONE Cait, while she was recovering from being brutally dumped by the one person she basically turned class traitor and hunted her remaining family down for. Take some accountability for the hurt you've caused so we can all feel good about the reconciliation that is inevitably coming.

fr0st

2024-12-24 09:31:40 +0000 UTC

Randomly funny thing I noticed later that makes me laugh is that Cait hated the angry oil slick hair so much on Vi that she's literally taken Vi to safety, getting surgeons to save her life, and also randomly finding time to wash her hair so that it's back to the normal red color haha

fr0st

2024-12-24 08:57:31 +0000 UTC

The obvious difference is indeed as someone else said in a reply here that Jinx gets more time and character development love while Cait is just fast forwarded and we see nothing on screen about her arc. I don't hate Cait, but she was sorely let down by the writers, as was Vi because it's like they rushed it for Cait and lost interest complete for Vi and just fast forwarded through to the inevitable reconciliation

fr0st

2024-12-24 08:34:13 +0000 UTC

The Caitlyn reactions from you guys still just throw me off lol...I only say this because coming from having seen your reactions to Catra / Catradora I REALLY thought you'd be more understanding. Like what has Caitlyn done that's worse than what Catra did? Catra was literally trying to KILL Adora every chance she got, she lead armies against innocent people, etc. And yes, I understand her trauma and how she was being manipulated her whole life but Caitlyn was also at her lowest point in her life, being manipulated by a motherly figure as well (here's where I'd thought we see empathy) .... also, I apologize if this is coming off as hounding you guys, I'm really not trying to change your opinions or say you're wrong for how you react/genuinely feel, I just wanted to state my unasked for opinion on why I'm so confused with this reaction lol

MeL

2024-12-24 06:18:28 +0000 UTC

Exactly!!! Not just Jinx either, like Jayce and Viktor were warned time and time again about the arcane and they chose to be selfish and ignore Heimerdinger's warnings and that's what literally caused everything bad that's happening right now. How they don't get more pushback is beyond me....plus Caitlyn was fighting Ambessa every interaction they had, it's not like she was just doing things to be evil or because she liked it (Jinx is my favorite character btw but damn justice for Caitlyn lmao)

MeL

2024-12-24 06:02:42 +0000 UTC

the fact that amanda, one of the main writers, commented that this scene was also a way for vi to reclaim her prison trauma adds another layer of unseriousness to this 😭

kruz miller

2024-12-24 04:26:10 +0000 UTC

I still love this show. But this is one of the two tropes I hate the most in shows. "The chosen one" and this undeserved redemption for popular characters. By all accounts Jinx is at the very least a remorseless mass murderer. Faith from Buffy, Syler from Heroes... This trope always leaves me cold. Personally, it's one of the only things in the writing of this show that feels lazy to me.

AJ

2024-12-24 04:14:21 +0000 UTC

MAN YOUR’RE SO REAL idk why it’s such a struggle for caitvi shippers to understand that montana very clearly understands the nuance of cait’s character, but still doesn’t have to like her!! and that she’s allowed to dislike caitlin and love jinx, despite jinx’s various crimes against humanity. there’s this weird refusal to understand the huge discrepancy between caitlin and jinx’s stances in piltovan and zaunite’s societies. they don’t recognise (or refuse to) caitlin’s dehumanisation of the lower class as a collective and how it’s arguably worse than jinx’s crimes, especially since caitlin has the wealth and influence to enforce that projection onto zaunites in a significantly harmful way. they see jinx killing councillors, enforcers and firelights and accept that on a very surface level scale, but then drone on and on about the “subtextual implications of cait and vi having sex in a jail cell without a proper conversation beforehand” and how nobody is as smart as them for interpreting that.

kruz miller

2024-12-24 04:13:08 +0000 UTC

Catra was a child, had a terrible upbringing, wasn’t privileged, and had more time. It’s not that comparable id say :)

Letts React

2024-12-24 04:05:45 +0000 UTC

@Chelly so… lemme make sure i got this right. because some people at their lowest cope through having sex irl, the story should perpetuate that frankly harmful coping mechanism..? anyway, moving on to avoid falling into whataboutisms, despite whatever half-assed logic you want to throw at the wall, the scene was inarguably egregious and very obviously fan service. it being fan service isn’t even inherently harmful or bad, but let’s call it what it is and stop being disingenuous.

kruz miller

2024-12-24 04:00:51 +0000 UTC

@VVenture god it feels like you’re one of the few people i’ve seen who’s willing to be honest and upfront about the dip in writing quality. caitvi shippers are so disingenuous about the flat storytelling simply because they got their endgame and that was their only investment.

kruz miller

2024-12-24 03:50:21 +0000 UTC

What you said Montana “Ones in the cell and the other holds the key” I feel sums up Caits character perfectly. Blinded by privilege she can’t see the pain she and others from Piltover have caused. All it takes is an ounce of suffering to demonize the Zaunites while they are not offered the same justice for their suffering. I’ve never seen a show so accurately depict the idea of a “White saviour” then with Cait and it fascinates me.

Tom Johnson

2024-12-24 03:48:57 +0000 UTC

notice how every time jinx has been offered (unearned) redemption and the chance to repent, she’s rejected it every time? meanwhile, caitlin was offered the same opportunity once and took it, despite it also being unearned. jinx is also never in an elevated position of power to abuse lower class people, jinx has no wealth, privilege, or influence that fundamentally threatens the system of piltovans and marginalises them. the difference between jinx and caitlin is one wanted to cosplay a liberal who supported zaunites and “understood their struggles,” then when she had real skin in the game, she devolved into the same kind who dehumanised the zaunites, like the various other members of the upper echelons of piltover. ultimately, both caitlin and jinx have done twisted things and shown growth in their characters, and it’s up to the viewer to decide how they feel about the characters. you caitlin fans need to reconcile with the fact that not everybody is going to like her and move on!

kruz miller

2024-12-24 03:34:39 +0000 UTC

Caitlyn also did way less bad things than Catra (cough she almost destroyed reality cough)

David Bodor

2024-12-24 02:49:49 +0000 UTC

I don't think Cait has done much to be redeemed of tbh. At least not nearly as much as Jinx has, and thus her vendetta is kinda valid to some extent.

David Bodor

2024-12-24 02:48:10 +0000 UTC

Yupppp that’s what happens when one character has clearly been given WAY more attention in the writing room than the other. Justice for “dictator” Cait

Melanie Meadows

2024-12-24 02:42:06 +0000 UTC

Agree. Nothing she said in that cell gave any inclination that Vi knew what Jinx was going to do. "I really thought she'd help us.." She just doesn't know her sister anymore.

Master Gravy

2024-12-24 02:38:51 +0000 UTC

Not to mention she probably would have bounced before Vi recovered if she wasn't locked up. People would have criticized Caitlyn for that as well lol.

Master Gravy

2024-12-24 02:36:04 +0000 UTC

Very well said. For two characters that communicate through touch, looks and action, a verbal apology never seemed necessary. Especially since Vi is well aware of how anger and grief can manifest itself into a heat of the moment mistake. I don't think she was ever mad at Caitlyn for hitting her, more upset with herself for feeling like the cause of the whole situation to begin with - feeling like the cause of another person she loved becoming a monster. I don't understand all the people saying she should have immediately ran after Jinx as if she hadn't been doing that the whole time. As if she likely wouldn't have left with her had Jinx not trapped her in the cell. For once, she chose herself and people just complain about it or accuse her of being a bad sister. Ridiculous. She would've shown no growth as a character if she up and booked it after her.

Master Gravy

2024-12-24 02:31:16 +0000 UTC

People being terrified of sex but having no problem with copious amounts of violence are so backwards. That scene was beautiful and tender and I would've loved to see the full 5.

Master Gravy

2024-12-24 02:20:06 +0000 UTC

I didn't understand very well what you meant at the beginning, but I understood what you meant after and at the end. Could you explain it in other words please?

Mary

2024-12-24 01:56:00 +0000 UTC

Yes, sex is a fundamental part of almost every single human being existence. I'm sorry it's ugh.

Jon Wake

2024-12-24 01:18:04 +0000 UTC

Nah this is just cope, and to be frank, if you’re constructing a scene at least half of your audience can’t remotely figure out what your character’s motivations are because you’ve attempted to bury them under 12 layers of subtext or environmental storytelling then you’ve failed as a writer. Exposition, subtext, and environmental storytelling exist in cohesion with one another. ‘Show’ isn’t always the superior solution to ‘telling’, both have their place. Most of the arguments that people make here about how ‘Trust me, there was lots of subtle storytelling and explanations, it was just shown instead of told!’ aren’t coming from people who picked up all of those hints themselves. They’re coming from CaitVi shippers who cared more about the ship than the story quality, who then went on social media and hunted for other people’s explanations on why it somehow made sense narratively, and then from those posts they pieced together a flimsy story about why it ‘made sense.’ It’s why most people who don’t know League find the sex scene so jarring, whereas the shippers just clap about it.

VVenture

2024-12-24 01:06:37 +0000 UTC

Yeah ngl I don’t get what Vi was mad about lmao. Did she think Cait was gonna put Jinx in a hotel? Let her chill out as a roommate? 🤣

VVenture

2024-12-24 00:57:40 +0000 UTC

Agreeing with James here, as I don't really feel the criticism on "Vi should know what Jinx is going to do/how Jinx is feeling". It definitely makes sense to our perspective as the audience, that yes, Jinx is very clearly suicidal. But Vi doesn't know that, and may not pick up on those context clues, even though it seems obvious to us. It is certainly possible that she should have known that, but given how she's reacted previously to Jinx and even in some scenes when she was still Powder, it's very clear that Vi's emotions in general cloud her reading of other people's emotions in general. She's a very passionate person (romantically, platonically, and just with her anger too) and it's clear that passion gets in the way of her seeing things that are often right in front of her/reading the emotions of others as well.

Raven

2024-12-24 00:51:17 +0000 UTC

Yeah, it’s understandable. If the writers appear to not care about the characters and story, why would you?

VVenture

2024-12-24 00:49:22 +0000 UTC

It’s not just ‘Hey let’s put a sex scene here’, it’s the fact that the entire tone so far has been ‘Vi hates every aspect about herself to the point where she sounds near suicidal’ and then 3 seconds later they start blasting the most comically generic ‘passionate’ music over the moment 💀

VVenture

2024-12-24 00:40:05 +0000 UTC

For some people an actual apology is important. For some people it's not. If someone gave me an actual apology but didn't show signs of changing i won't care.

Suplee215

2024-12-24 00:39:45 +0000 UTC

Makes sense. I do think it puts emphasis one type of character arc and person and even story telling method over others. But does make sense. The reason it works for me so well is that Vi and Caitlyn's entire relationship is based around actions and not words. And in a lot of ways the story telling for the show is too. It works against the show at times too and makes it harder to figure out what's going on but overall I think it's a positive and I think it works here with Caitlyn and Vi. Caitlyn doesn't have to say why she's change sides. We see with her talk in maddie in bed and her calling out Riktus causing trouble that she is questioning ambessa's methods and their friction there. The big thing comes in Vi and caitlyn's talks where csitlyn fully admits that she understands why Vi doesn't trust her and that she saddled up with a war monger. And she makes it clear she regrets it and that she knows she's in the wrong. But she isn't the type to express that in words. She says it and then tries to use her actions to show a difference. And Vi seems to prefer that. And nkg trying beat a dead horse so sorry if I'm just repeating myself too much. I do think more time dedicated to this dynamic can help things out. I just don't know if a flat out catra like break down is in either characters personality.

Suplee215

2024-12-24 00:36:34 +0000 UTC

I will fix it!

Letts React

2024-12-24 00:27:00 +0000 UTC

Perhaps for the holidays???

Letts React

2024-12-24 00:24:55 +0000 UTC

It’s basically time for the arc to progress and age of characters that makes Catra and Caitlyn different. Also Caitlyn had WAAAAAAY more privilege than Catra.

Letts React

2024-12-24 00:23:27 +0000 UTC

Vi couldn’t have known with the information she had especially when you realize how unconnected vi is from jinx’s emotions as seen in season one

Braden Jackson

2024-12-24 00:23:23 +0000 UTC

There are a lot of reasons I qualify this as different than catra, but honestly the simplest way to put it is it was just too fast for us as dedicated viewers to forgive Caitlyn and be excited for them. Like if Catra changed over 3 episodes after Princess prom, that would have felt SUPER fast and not hit the right way. There was simply not enough time for the atonement required to make Montana love the relationship again. Also Catra and Adora were still kids, so that’s a whole thing in and of itself.

Letts React

2024-12-24 00:21:25 +0000 UTC

I agree, I just think with more episodes it could have been more clear, but we didn’t really get the big “everything crashing down as she realizes she is the problem,” that came with Catra after like 5 seasons. Instead she sort of just switched sides with no repercussions aside from stuff in the final episode. So at this point it just felt a little quick. I could see the arc working more for me if given more time tho. Don’t hate it, just don’t think it’s as good as it could be if that makes sense?

Letts React

2024-12-24 00:18:15 +0000 UTC

i think what confuses me is cait has a bad couple weeks maybe a month at most and she has to beg for forgiveness meanwhile jinx is a step below a serial killer and she deserves unlimited chances at redemption/forgiveness without earning it

Archer Kuro

2024-12-23 23:43:19 +0000 UTC

Vi is not very emotionally intelligent. Don’t forget what happened in the season 1 finale. Vi was actively yelling stuff at Jinx that was causing mental anguish. And continued even after Jinx told her to stop. Vi’s mentality during a large portion of season 1 was “I have to just get through to her”, which is simplistic and the wrong way to approach her sister. Vi had this imaginary version of Powder she was trying to reach.

James Long

2024-12-23 22:53:39 +0000 UTC

The gold on Jayce being the same as the "robots"(idk what to call them) is a really awesome detail! I sure didnt catch that!

Cyan_SkyAnfall

2024-12-23 22:13:52 +0000 UTC

At least in the Jayce/Mel scene in S1, he didn't KNOW Viktor was almost dying. Vi's last interaction before Cait saves her from the locked cell is her suicidal sister telling her that she's going to "break the cycle." It just makes zero sense for Vi to want that at that particular moment. I'd be more than glad for a sex scene to exist but that was just purely out of thin air in the absolute worst spot for it.

Paul Mace

2024-12-23 22:09:33 +0000 UTC

jinx didn’t have the hex gemstone!! she was just seeing it

jolly

2024-12-23 22:06:20 +0000 UTC

It also feels REALLY out of place for Vi to be doing that at that moment. The last person she saw was her sister who, in pretty clear terms, said that she was going to end her own life. Even if Vi isn't running off to save Jinx (which she absolutely would), I doubt she'd be in a loving mood.

Paul Mace

2024-12-23 22:05:42 +0000 UTC

Very good points. It’s nice for us to see Jinx be capable of change. And even though we see that she has, most of her crimes cannot be forgotten so soon. It’s understandable that she was locked up on the spot.

Erin

2024-12-23 21:40:51 +0000 UTC

Regarding the Cait/Vi prison scene, this is one of the scenes that I WISH we got more lead up to. Don't get me wrong, I loved this for them, but I feel like many people would have appreciated more build up to it, but unfortunately this is one of a few scenes in ep 8 and 9 that struggles from a time constraint. IMO, Arcane didn't need 3 seasons, it really just needed 6 more episodes. 3 In season 1, and 3 in season 2. Season 1 should have ended at the end of S2 EP 3. All three of the first Season 2 episodes should have been added to Season 1. Then, Season 2 needed an episode between current S2 EP 3 and S2 EP4, (more time with WW and seeing the effect of Cait/Ambessa rule in Piltover, and Vi's aftermath The final 2 episodes needed to be added to the End of Season 2, as both S2 EP 8 and EP 9 could seriously benefit for more leadup to the scenes in them, like Cait/Vi's scene in the prison.

Raven

2024-12-23 21:28:27 +0000 UTC

Let's be real, Caitlin isn't wrong for putting jinx in a cell, not to mention jinx went there willingly. I love Jinx, but her crimes weren't light. So, it's like what do you expect. Is Cait innocent, no, but she damn sure hasn't done equally as bad as jinx has in the past. There's too much nuance for me to really hate any character except for fucking Maddie ofc lol

defnotdai

2024-12-23 21:08:11 +0000 UTC

The mage is called lablanc she is one of three leaders of noxus s(e leads the mages of noxus thats why she cares to bring her in

demonic-myst

2024-12-23 21:05:55 +0000 UTC

If it felt sudden for Cait and Vi heres some context its the eve of war; the next day one of them could be dead.

Luis Benavides

2024-12-23 20:50:25 +0000 UTC

it looks normal until you click play, then it says ''sorry, this video does not exist'' with a blank background.

yani

2024-12-23 20:46:50 +0000 UTC

Like it's not on patreon or link doesn't work

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 20:40:02 +0000 UTC

I noticed that, too. ☹️

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 20:37:58 +0000 UTC

Commenting about a missing Demon Slayer episode, S2 episode 17<-(patreon number) and s2 episode 10 <-(youtube number) one of THE best episodes of Demon Slayer, is there any way it could still be uploaded, even if its been a while?

yani

2024-12-23 20:32:21 +0000 UTC

He was dead victor resurrected him but for all purposes ishas sacrificed did kill Warwick even is it’s just temporary

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 20:23:01 +0000 UTC

Nah

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 20:20:30 +0000 UTC

Pfft 😅

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 20:18:35 +0000 UTC

😂

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 20:16:45 +0000 UTC

I’m just saying if we got the finale as a Christmas present we’d appreciate it! Lol

Cody Simpson

2024-12-23 20:15:01 +0000 UTC

Except Warwick's not dead. We see that in this episode.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 20:14:38 +0000 UTC

Elijah is that you? 😆

Juan Solo

2024-12-23 20:00:04 +0000 UTC

Perfectly summed up my thoughts. I mentioned in episode 6 that Vi has been in the same position as Caitlyn, only she never had the chance to correct her mistakes, which is why she comes across as "too forgiving". For someone like Vi, actions speak louder than words. Of course, not everyone is like Vi. I also think their reunion was rushed, but it makes sense with how they've been written.

Juan Solo

2024-12-23 19:57:21 +0000 UTC

Isha also saved countless lives by killing Warwick to the point that ambesa gives her a funeral knowing what she did she wasn’t a plot device in the sense that any character is nothing more than a plot device

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 19:55:04 +0000 UTC

Mel is outrageously gorgeous. The animators ability to make every character so hot is crazy

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 19:52:20 +0000 UTC

Um lets be honest jinx is the main character of the whole series and one of the most interesting characters. Her arc and story are some of the best parts in season 2 cause the rest of them i didn't really care for except for ekko.

Jaminica

2024-12-23 19:51:25 +0000 UTC

Not really both make sense for their redemption I don’t think the comparison is as good as people believe their actions might be similar but the causes are very different I’m not to knowledgeable about Catra but caits makes complete sense when you think about it cait is not a bad person at heart almost nobody in the show is she did bad things due to a combination of ambesas munipulation but mostly jinx killing her mom she did her actions due to her grief blinding her unlike catra who did her actions due to being raised like that so when Caitlyn’s grief got better over time she became less blind to her actions and realized the evilness she cussed and since she did bad actions she is trying to be a better person through her actions and has done so for a while she had a quirkier redemption because the causes for them are naturally quicker than the causes for Cara’s actions

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 19:44:52 +0000 UTC

Honestly pissed that my goat Ekko isn't in this episode

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 19:43:48 +0000 UTC

I was waiting for a forehead smooch

Butthead faxe

2024-12-23 19:39:08 +0000 UTC

I really wished they spent more time on Ekko and Jinx. The fact that Ekko isn't in this episode is so upsetting to me lol

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 19:36:12 +0000 UTC

Arcane and the people in it are living very different lives than us and experience very different things vi loves actions more than words and cait through her actions in the show earned trust from vi the sex scene was not just for fan service it showed us that vi had accepted caits apology through caits actions and her listening to her sisters advice to do something for vi and not for others I fully understand that if other people were in Vi’s place they would have extremely different feelings and opinions but the scene while not my favorite makes sense

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 19:35:23 +0000 UTC

And the fact all season shes shown as a hero and she doesn't see herself like that all

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 19:34:56 +0000 UTC

Caitlyn and Ambessa relationship is a great parellel to Jinxs and Silco. Its both adults taking advantage and manipulating a child that has just lost someone. Silco defiantly loved and cared for Jinx more though. It hard to notice but jinx and caitlyn are actually quite simular.

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 19:32:55 +0000 UTC

Skye fr said "I know what you are"

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 19:21:42 +0000 UTC

You aren’t Vi. There is no moralizing to be done here. All these characters are flawed, messy people on purpose.

James Long

2024-12-23 19:19:11 +0000 UTC

That fight between Viktor and Jayce was way too sensual loll

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 19:08:53 +0000 UTC

I think Skye represeted Viktors guilt and humanity. With her gone Viktor is gone

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 19:07:20 +0000 UTC

Seeing some comparisons between Caitlyn and Catra, and those make no sense. It is only the relationship with Vi that is driving the comparison. Jinx is a better comparison to Catra. Caitlyn and Vi are never enemies in the show, ever. Vi is still clearly in love with Caitlyn even at her lowest. Caitlyn still clearly loved Vi, but was driven to a dark place by her mother’s death, but also the guilt that she could have prevented it. And in that vulnerable place she is manipulated.

James Long

2024-12-23 19:04:51 +0000 UTC

I'm almost afraid to ask for context

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 19:01:31 +0000 UTC

"Big moment" is wild

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 18:55:48 +0000 UTC

Look man, all I'm saying is if my partner assaulted me and treated me that way and didn't take the time to apologize and just did "action" instead I wouldn't have anything to do with them. An actual apology Is important. It shows you are paying attention, actually understand what you did wrong and have fully thought about the situation and then plan to use actions to do better and making it up to them. So I agree with hbomb.

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 18:54:28 +0000 UTC

I really hope he ends up with a spin off. He deserves it. The fact that Isha a whole new character had more screen time than Ekko is crazy to me.

Medusa

2024-12-23 18:53:13 +0000 UTC

No I loved code geass, but table kun situation was weird af lol

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 18:50:20 +0000 UTC

I see it yea

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 18:42:23 +0000 UTC

Good catch I never noticed that before

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 18:40:38 +0000 UTC

Arcane has a wired tradition of having to characters have a sex scene while another character related to them is not having a good time last season it was victor this season it was jinx

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 18:38:10 +0000 UTC

IDK if it was already pointed out or not, but when it comes to the prison scene I noticed that the cell Jinx was in was one with good, natural light, fresh air, more room (relatively speaking), and even having good, fresh, food being delivered. This in stark contrast to when Cait threatens to put put Singed in a cell devoid of light, fresh air, and basic human considerations in Episode 5, I feel said a lot about how Caitlyn was changing/changed her mind about it all. In addition to that, despite Caitlyn being a leader or even THE leader of Piltover, given everything and especially everyone Jinx hurt and impacted, even if Cait didn't wanna put Jinx in jail, the absolute CHAOS that would have happened if the Enforcers tried to arrest Jinx when she surrendered herself and Cait were to stop them or fight that decision, would be insane.

Jmp010299

2024-12-23 18:28:51 +0000 UTC

Hard to call it fan service when Season 2 was written before Season 1 aired. If anything, one could say the writers expected people to have more sympathy for Caitlyn.

James Long

2024-12-23 18:25:07 +0000 UTC

This. It also isn't out of character for vi and caitlyn's relationship to be shown through actions and not words. We see it in season 1. Both characters care more about actions than words and their entire relationship plays out that way.

Suplee215

2024-12-23 18:20:16 +0000 UTC

So the Black Rose mage isn’t actually related to Mel. They referred to Mel as “sister” because they wanted to welcome her to her new “family” as a mage

Coqnbauz

2024-12-23 18:20:08 +0000 UTC

What do you mean by "considering who the writer is"?

Suplee215

2024-12-23 18:18:51 +0000 UTC

I've seen these episodes many times so no, I don't see it casually. What I was referring to is showing more of that change in Viktor or doing it in a more efficient way that makes everyone understand why he came to think the way he thinks. Because there are a lot of people who see him going from someone who wants to help his people to someone who is using them, I would say he still wants to help them but it's in a slightly twisted or morally not right way. Plus I still love the show and several of its characters.

Mary

2024-12-23 18:13:05 +0000 UTC

Agreed. Out of all the main characters, I'd say Viktir was one of the few handled well in season two.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 18:11:40 +0000 UTC

For example you know in episode 5-6 that the people viktor are transforming are becoming emotionless dead husks if you pay attention.

MJ Eid

2024-12-23 18:05:50 +0000 UTC

I don’t think his story was rushed. I think the writers did a lot of showing not telling so if you watch closely you understand what’s going on but if you just casually watch then you need to be told what’s been going on. I hate shows that need a filler season to get to a conclusion. In reality I may agree with longer episodes or a couple extra but it’s not necessary to care about the character or to understand the conclusion

MJ Eid

2024-12-23 18:04:40 +0000 UTC

Think what you want, but there was clearly a choice this season to show through action rather than tell through dialogue. This is something I have seen from writers working in animation. I remember the writers on Batman: The Animated Series talking about wanting to make an episode with no dialogue, but the producers wouldn’t really allow it.

James Long

2024-12-23 17:53:27 +0000 UTC

I kind of pity that Viktor's character was (I wouldn't say ruined) but rushed and turned "evil" by stepping on his morals and the beliefs he had in the past. He is still one of my favorites, but I think we should have had a third season, not only to develop his story well but the others as well (Possible redemption of Caitlyn, Ekko, etc).

Mary

2024-12-23 17:52:33 +0000 UTC

Sounds like an excuse to me

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 17:47:00 +0000 UTC

Do you not like Code Geass or something?

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 17:46:25 +0000 UTC

I could never enjoy that scene between Vi and Caitlyn not only because of the fact that I don't feel like Caitlyn has had any great redemption or consequences for her actions from the previous arcs but because they do that in the place where Jinx hurt herself and was depressed, nothing less sexy than that

Mary

2024-12-23 17:46:22 +0000 UTC

Amanda, one of the writers, talked about this scene and how it is Caitlyn’s apology through action rather than dialogue. Caitlyn is fully prepared for Vi and Jinx to just leave, and that she might never see Vi again.

James Long

2024-12-23 17:41:23 +0000 UTC

Honestly lucky you lol

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 17:37:14 +0000 UTC

I thought she was the hex Core too but she disappeared at the end of this episode. She’s probably actually sky but she was erased from even his mind.

MJ Eid

2024-12-23 17:35:54 +0000 UTC

Yea, I understand. Like you said, at least a little bit more dialogue or something would have been nice

Keyblade

2024-12-23 17:35:21 +0000 UTC

Tbf, a lot of people use sex as a coping mechanism… I think it would have been fine if we got her and Cait talking more before all this 🤷‍♀️

Chelly

2024-12-23 17:33:36 +0000 UTC

I wished they would have put the Vi - Caitlyn scene somewhere else. It feels so out of place. Like Vi is deeply distraught - "hey, let's put a sex-scene here".

Keyblade

2024-12-23 17:29:05 +0000 UTC

Side note, Baku”gone” is actually crazy🤣🤣✌🏾

Erin

2024-12-23 17:23:54 +0000 UTC

What you just said affirms one thing: She-Ra's depiction of redemption felt more realistic and earned than Arcane's BECAUSE it took so much longer. Also, Catra and Caitlin having such different upbringings only works in Catra's favor, as her taking longer to realize she was wrong makes sense as this is all she's ever known. Caitlin, on the other hand, had a grasp of right and wrong and chose wrong anyway, grief be darned.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 17:15:28 +0000 UTC

all i want for christmas is 17,18,19 and 19 is the best ep of all time

Kevin De Bruyne

2024-12-23 17:14:39 +0000 UTC

Also I’m pretty sure Kenny and Montana keep referring to the witch as the half sister

Big K

2024-12-23 17:12:40 +0000 UTC

Dangit . . . that's actually kinda sweet. 😪

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 17:10:37 +0000 UTC

Yeah only tell is when the witch says last episode “at first we thought it could have been Kino, but then he led us to you”

Big K

2024-12-23 17:08:45 +0000 UTC

In the burial scene with Rictus, you see a smaller grave with Isha's hat on top right next to his. Ambessa or one of her warriors probably saw her sacrifice, knew she saved them all, and they gave her a warrior's burial. :'(

Tristan Reynolds

2024-12-23 17:08:43 +0000 UTC

Christmas season double upload ;)

Chandman

2024-12-23 17:08:19 +0000 UTC

But I would argue that Catra had a longer way to go for redemption, because where she started at the beginning of the series was not caring about right or wrong. She had to learn that empathy. Whereas for the first half of Arcane, Caitlyn was one of the two most empathic characters (Ekko being the other one). Her motivation this season was grief and anger over her mother’s death. Catra had to unlearn a lifetime of not giving a shit about other people, which takes a lot longer. Caitlyn spent 3 episodes (Act 1) being consumed by grief and hatred, and 3 episodes (Act 2) realizing how that was affecting her and deciding to change course. Catra spent 39 episodes being consumed by resentment and hatred, and 13 episodes realizing she wanted to change and do good.

Jenny D

2024-12-23 17:07:04 +0000 UTC

Yea this scene would have been better IMO toward the end if next episode

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 17:04:55 +0000 UTC

Happy holidays!

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 17:04:34 +0000 UTC

I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a double drop more than I do right now 😂

Loretta

2024-12-23 17:02:17 +0000 UTC

would've loved to see it in all it's glory juat under DIFFERENT circumstances😭

Butthead faxe

2024-12-23 17:01:19 +0000 UTC

The like/comment ratio on this post 😭 I did lowkey expect this but damn

Chelly

2024-12-23 16:59:16 +0000 UTC

Ugh

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:55:36 +0000 UTC

THANK YOU

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 16:51:26 +0000 UTC

Fun fact in a interview the Creators if Arcane said they originally made the CaitxVi scene longer and more graphic but toned it down in order to keep the age rating so this was the tame version 😂

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 16:50:43 +0000 UTC

Isha's sacrifice means nothing. she was just a plot device to move jinx's arc forward because the writers didn't know what to do with jinx after season 1 finale attack

Sash_Marc_Anne

2024-12-23 16:48:43 +0000 UTC

Yea she was a extremely destructive terrorist is season one you have to remember that if Ekko didn’t have any history with jinx he was going to immediately go for the kill which is something the firelights don’t do

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 16:48:23 +0000 UTC

I fully agree!! I’m not a huge caitlyn fan myself and I do think arcane should’ve been three seasons to give more development to certain characters

charley

2024-12-23 16:48:03 +0000 UTC

When Jayce says "my partner died in this room" hes telling the truth. When Jayce attached the hexcore to viktor theres a flash of a x-ray of viktors body. His spine is completely destroyed and his shirt was off implying that Jayce maybe attempted CPR first. Also Jayce had to run from the council to his lab while carrying him

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 16:47:05 +0000 UTC

agreed. season 1 was good because it was grounded. i get that the show is called arcane so the magic stuff is important but season 2 really dropped the ball

Sash_Marc_Anne

2024-12-23 16:45:34 +0000 UTC

The last two episodes shouldve been like 2 hours each

Erin Ryan

2024-12-23 16:44:31 +0000 UTC

For me, I thought the scene between Cait and Vi shared love and intimacy that I think was important for their arc. It didn't seem like a "let's just do this because I need someone, and you happen to be here". It felt like two people who never lost their love for each other despite all the shit that's happened, finally being able to rekindle. And all the shit that's happened has been rooted in Cait's unhealthy obsession with bringing Jinx to justice. She has finally let her go, which says a lot to Vi, even if it wasn't verbally. Do I think Cait's redemption arc was rushed? absolutely. Do I think Cait should've verbally apologized to Vi? Absolutely. But if there's one thing this shows reiterated, it's that people are flawed. imperfect. Good people do bad things, and some bad people have done good things. I think the way Cait has gone about redemption has been mainly through action, which may not be the healthiest. especially regarding acknowledging your wrongs. But actions are much louder, and I think it's an imperfect step in the right direction.

Erin

2024-12-23 16:44:18 +0000 UTC

you guys are forgetting that jinx is a terrorist not because she killed the councilors but because she's killed many civilians and firelights in season 1. she has done objectively more harm to zaun than caitlyn and her squad ever did. her strike team gassed the chembarons to lure them out and destroy shimmer, same goal as the firelights. caitlyn considers that her crimes are being blinded by revenge and using the grey, where as jinx's crimes are 100x worse than that. we get attached to powder that it blinds us from jinx's terrible wrongdoings. no one is innocent in arcane, except vi and ekko

Sash_Marc_Anne

2024-12-23 16:44:00 +0000 UTC

The difference between both shows and characters is that Catra's had MUCH more time to flesh out and develop the redemption aspect. Plus, the characters' backstories are completely different: Catra had NOTHING at the start, being a war orphan indoctrinated into the Horde. That was all she knew. Meanwhile, Caitlin grew up privileged and even after initially having a supposed good heart and compassion for the Undercity, threw ALL that away once her own situation was involved. They are not the same.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:39:06 +0000 UTC

I think it was pretty clear but ALOT does happen between the reveal and when we see mel next so it's easy to forget😭 they kinda sold on Mel's arc

Butthead faxe

2024-12-23 16:36:15 +0000 UTC

I disagree that this season worked at all, but another solution could've been to make the episode runtimes longer.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:35:54 +0000 UTC

alot of ppl font understand you can understand the nuance of the situation and still not forgive caitlyn

Butthead faxe

2024-12-23 16:34:08 +0000 UTC

don't worry montana I also am not a huge fun of kukluxkiramman til the very end😭

Butthead faxe

2024-12-23 16:32:55 +0000 UTC

I fully understand not liking caitlyn but I’m a little shocked at Montana’s reaction considering she is such a catra defender and they are so similar

charley

2024-12-23 16:32:28 +0000 UTC

I feel like they did a good job this season but I definitely agree that with one or 2 more seasons everything would greatly improve

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 16:30:31 +0000 UTC

Would it be wrong to say that this season made me feel apathetic to Arcane? Like, I don't think I care anymore

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:22:23 +0000 UTC

You as well. Happy Holidays

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:21:08 +0000 UTC

Yeah, that was not made clear by the show at all. Thx

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:20:56 +0000 UTC

Hadn't seen that so I wasn't there for that reaction.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:17:15 +0000 UTC

Seriously. You could call her- *puts on sunglasses THE ART

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:16:39 +0000 UTC

Arcane's main problem I found, that I felt caught up to them this season and specifically this episode, is that it tries to juggle too many things at once without giving some of them the time they need to feel earned or satisfying. Honestly, this season made me realize that any episode count in the single digits isn't enough.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:15:35 +0000 UTC

To give Vi cait and jinx a window to escape

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 16:14:36 +0000 UTC

Honestly Mel is the most attractive one in the show god she's so STUNNING what a queen

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 16:14:34 +0000 UTC

We all thought Sky was a hallucination or corrupting influence for Viktor, but she was really the last of his humanity. 😔

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:12:24 +0000 UTC

From my recollection yes. the only other thing that comes close is table-kun in code geass lmao

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 16:12:14 +0000 UTC

I think redemption in general tends to be debatable depending on who you ask since I have seen people on forums question if Catra did enough.

Darthwin Wright

2024-12-23 16:12:14 +0000 UTC

Like I said

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:11:24 +0000 UTC

i think so yes

delaney trent

2024-12-23 16:11:05 +0000 UTC

I believe so yea

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 16:10:49 +0000 UTC

Ambessa is prideful, being intelligent doesn't have anything to do with the very nature of her goal(which is to be a warmonger). There are also different kinds of intelligences, Ambessa is a war strategist, she has very little morals and feels like violence solves everything. It is very likely her plan was to have Viktor make the robot soldiers and then if he didn't obey to kill him, because she is absolutely prideful enough to believe that she actually stands a chance. This was literally explained in the beginning of this exact episode by the mage woman.

Shana

2024-12-23 16:09:49 +0000 UTC

I fell in love with season 1 because of how grounded this potential civil war/political drama was developing alongside with the main agitators/peacekeepers. And then season two hits and it’s just feels “marvel” I think this episode is the most MCU in regards to the Jayce victor fight and overall decisions the characters are making alongside with what the show wants you to feel instead of just letting you get to the conclusion yourself

Jimmy lujan

2024-12-23 16:09:45 +0000 UTC

gonna be lots more Cait debate in the comments, i can feel it, and i fear i'm beating a dead argument after episode 6, but someone in the comments section for The Normies in their reaction to this episode put things into better words than I, so I cannot take credit for this but i do agree with it: "where Cait asks Vi: 'You really think I needed all the guards at the Hexgates?' This line is not merely a sentence but also shows Cait's deep trust in Vi. How much love and trust Cait has for Vi to break the rules, let the guards leave, create space for Vi to act freely as she pleases. It was not only the belief in Vi's choice, but also the belief that Vi understood that Jinx had changed. In that statement, we can also implicitly understand that she has let go of her hatred for Jinx and the pain of losing her mother (a person who always wants her to follow the rules). Instead, Cait chooses to put her love for Vi above all else. Cait's actions in this scene are also her way of giving Vi the right to choose. Cait knew that Vi and Jinx could leave together, and she was fully aware of the possibility that she would never see Vi again. But Cait still does, still putting love and respect above everything, even her own pain and selfishness. This is a subtle metaphor for the act of letting go. Cait loves Vi unconditionally, respecting Vi's every decision, even if it means that Vi can leave her to go with Jinx." this kinda reinforces some previous sentiment in the comments here about caitlyn's development being more subtle and implied rather than directly shown to the camera again, i echo my sentiment from ep 6: there's absolutely nothing that says that you still have to like caitlyn. if you feel she hasn't earned it, that's valid, but as montana said: "it's not up to me." vi herself has forgiven caitlyn and has now taken her back. is she right to do so? debateable, but these characters have always been imperfect and that, i feel, is kinda the point. anyway, hearing "there's no good version of me" from jinx right after last episode was a punch, man....

Eric C

2024-12-23 16:06:09 +0000 UTC

I still 💝 them but I get it I rlly do

delaney trent

2024-12-23 16:05:36 +0000 UTC

I agree I feel like if she had apologized for that less people would be hesitant

delaney trent

2024-12-23 16:05:24 +0000 UTC

Undoubtedly, he's the only really GOOD character, from a moral standpoint

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:04:25 +0000 UTC

Honestly, frick this ship and I am SO glad the last episode gave us Timebomb.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:03:59 +0000 UTC

I honestly think its bc there was more seasons of She ra so there was more time and narrative for Catra to be redeemed vs only two seasons of Arcane. Just needed more time to fully flesh out the redemption of Cait

delaney trent

2024-12-23 16:03:46 +0000 UTC

Yeah at the very least an apology, ESPECIALLY after she assaulted Vi with the butt of her gun and walked away RIGHT after she promised she wouldn't change. Like to Vi, that was EARTHSHATTERING. She hit below rock bottom and Cait our here not apologizing for that shit? Nahhh

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 16:02:53 +0000 UTC

Is Arcane the only show on the channel with sex scenes? Shows like Chainsaw Man and Invincible came close, but I think this is the only one.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:02:44 +0000 UTC

yes

I just Felix

2024-12-23 16:02:25 +0000 UTC

😭💔

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 16:01:20 +0000 UTC

So is Vi the only one in the show allowed to say the f-word?

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:01:15 +0000 UTC

The first 3 episodes of this season are almost peak. There’s literally just a few small things that feel rushed, such as the narrative never addressing that Cait signed Vi up to be an Enforcer without her consent. But after episode 5 is where the show really starts to degrade. Cait and Vi’s relationship feels rushed as hell and honestly? The whole prison cell scene feels like fan service that goes against both their previously established characters in order to do said fan service. Cait actually continuing and escalating that initial kiss is honestly kind of F’d up imo, Vi is in an incredibly emotionally vulnerable state and is reaching out for any kind of validation and/or affection, and considering these two have never escalated to full on sesbian lex before? Yeah, it feels a little exploitative. Oh yeah, and then there’s the whole cheating on Maddie part, which kind of makes them both terrible people. But hey! They ‘solve’ that next episode with Maddie’s overall arc don’t they? 😂 I completely get why Montana doesn’t find the relationship dynamic believable, because it isn’t. Cait became a fascist dictator and the story just has Cait flip on Ambessa the moment she sees Vi, then sort of tries to awkwardly push the whole arc under the rug because ‘These two need to be together at the end!’ without addressing how much it would take to heal that kind of damage in a relationship. Oh, and just a final note on ‘rushed’ things. The entire show’s central conflict has been a very on the nose I/P allegory, and then they solve the whole damn thing in a 90 second montage because ‘both sides need to come together to fight Space Jesus!’ 😂

VVenture

2024-12-23 16:00:28 +0000 UTC

Anyone else draw comparisons to Horde Prime from Netflix She-Ra with Viktor, in how their followers work?

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 16:00:20 +0000 UTC

It's because Catra, and the Netflix She-Ra as a whole, had MUCH more time to flesh out Catra and her redemption. I understand to this day there are still those who feel she was forgiven too easily, but I never got that. I mean, Catra sacrificing herself to rescue Glimmer is LEAGUES beyond anything Caitlin does .

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 15:59:44 +0000 UTC

I felt there should at least be an apology from Cait 😭 like no im sorry???

delaney trent

2024-12-23 15:59:18 +0000 UTC

I really would like to hear Montana compare Catra and Caitlyn. Because they’re actually both around the same age by the time they’re in their dictator eras, and on the whole, Catra did worse things than Caitlyn, both in terms of her interpersonal relationship with Adora, and as a dictator in season 4. And yet Montana never had anything by grace for Catra, which was what made this my favorite She-ra reaction channel. The nuance. So this response to Caitlyn is genuinely so surprising and unexpected to me.

Jenny D

2024-12-23 15:57:42 +0000 UTC

True yeah new Mel design super hot

Big K

2024-12-23 15:57:04 +0000 UTC

SO glad she saw how rushed it was instead of just liking it for the ship.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 15:56:52 +0000 UTC

What about Mel? 😍

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 15:55:15 +0000 UTC

Jinx: "There's no good version of me." Right when we saw the alternate universe last episode. 😢😢

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 15:53:50 +0000 UTC

So true! In the eyes of the audience who got to see what Cait got up to when she wasn't with Vi, there definitely needed to me more time for a redemption.

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 15:50:55 +0000 UTC

Completely agree. This season is nothing like the first.

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 15:50:01 +0000 UTC

Montana’s face at that CaitVi scene 😂😂😂 I like them but I understand why you don’t ! They should’ve dedicated more time to her redemption 💔

delaney trent

2024-12-23 15:49:46 +0000 UTC

More than it already was too. And give her hopelessness

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 15:47:31 +0000 UTC

I feel so bad for ekko, he really needed more screen time he's my favorite character

💥Katsuki BakuGONE💥(Kacchan)

2024-12-23 15:46:45 +0000 UTC

I think the biggest part for Caitlyn for me is the sees her crimes as just as bad as Jinx's. She doesn't give herself a free pass. She has done horrible things but she is trying to change. Like with Catra from she-ra. For me redemption is about realizing you did wrong and trying to do better and be different.

Suplee215

2024-12-23 15:43:48 +0000 UTC

My take when Caitlyn said "there won't be a trial" is while it sounded like execution is that caitlyn already planned to let Vi decide and free her.

Suplee215

2024-12-23 15:40:56 +0000 UTC

To fuck up jinx’s mental health

Big K

2024-12-23 15:40:41 +0000 UTC

For the Ambessa thing I believe either her or Singed saw the error of that idea or victor didn’t listen to her cause he didn’t enhance her soldiers but made his people the soldiers that she could command

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 15:35:49 +0000 UTC

Also idk if y’all realized that Mel is the half sister. The weird witch woman is from the same lineage as Ambessa’s lover, but she’s not the half child.

Big K

2024-12-23 15:34:22 +0000 UTC

Thank you hope you have a merry holiday

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 15:32:57 +0000 UTC

So if Warwick's still around as well as Ambessa and her troops, then what was the point of Isha's sacrifice?!

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 15:32:51 +0000 UTC

He's definitely right about Griffith being worse than Shou Tucker; do NOT tell Montana was he did! 😰

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 15:30:01 +0000 UTC

Hope you guys and everyone here on Patreon have a great holiday 🙏🎄

BojacksReacts

2024-12-23 15:27:06 +0000 UTC

And we thought Mel couldn't look any better 😍

H-Bomb 24

2024-12-23 15:26:40 +0000 UTC

Honestly for me this is really the episode where the season flies off the rails and really feels rushed as hell. You’re telling me that Ambessa, an incredibly smart woman who throughout the entire series has constantly reiterated over and over how much she cares about loyalty, saw and acknowledged that ‘Viktor can inhabit the bodies and minds of his followers’ and decided ‘By all means Viktor! ‘Enhance’ as many of my soldiers as possible! This will have no way of backfiring!’ You can really start to see the failed sleight of hand where the writers needed to force an alliance in order to converge the two narrative arcs into one for the sake of time. The same thing happens with Vi and Cait’s relationship too, which is honestly why Montana has felt like Cait was forgiven by the narrative waaaay too quickly.

VVenture

2024-12-23 15:24:41 +0000 UTC

I thought today was Sunday

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 15:16:13 +0000 UTC

Right? Breaks just destroy my sense of time

Big K

2024-12-23 15:11:29 +0000 UTC

Goodness gracious I forgot how hot Caitlyn and Jayce are what the hell

Big K

2024-12-23 15:10:24 +0000 UTC

I WAS NOT EXPECTING TO EVER HEAR A BERSERK REFERENCE FROM KENNY WTH

Sora

2024-12-23 15:09:07 +0000 UTC

Vi: the undercity is gonna eat you alive Peak foreshadowing

Braden Jackson

2024-12-23 15:08:50 +0000 UTC

Sesbian Lex

Jimmy lujan

2024-12-23 15:07:24 +0000 UTC

the way I forgot it was Monday so this was a pleasant surprise

Butthead faxe

2024-12-23 15:06:13 +0000 UTC

Just came to see if you posted and u did at that moment haha

Maksik

2024-12-23 15:01:34 +0000 UTC

Arcane 2x8

Comments

New here so unsure if this is allowed… Please delete if not. But if anyone wants a deep dive into Caitlyn’s character (which really helps contextualize things) check out Tilda Owen’s videos and it might make you think a little differently.

It's because our society is obsessed with the idea of privilege, and inequality. Those things exist obviously, but to try and connect it to each and every social issue is such a folly of the 21st century.

I guess what i can ask is given your values you can't forgive Kate, but do your values allow you to empathize with a person whose values would allow them to forgive Kate?

i dont think ive ever heard yall be so critical of the writing before lol, unfortunately I do think the last two eps of this season are kinda a mess. lot of great ideas but lacking execution.

I understand caits character and like her still but I do agree that people wouldn’t be arguing to much about this if we had more time to see cait change/realize her actions and work towards improving while I liked the subtlness of her arc time would also be necessary for it

Looking back on the episode it’s unclear if Warwick is dead or alive before he is evolved so at worst she was able to temporarily take him out of action

Thankyouuu!! :D

I feel like it is intentional though, far too often do the privileged dodge accountability, I wonder if us being left with the discomfort that she’s got away with it is the whole point.

Vi doesn't know that and she makes the first move. Just not great writing, we don't have to make excuses for the writers when they should have had another full season to flesh things out properly and not skip things to finish up quickly.

Yeah, I have never seen anyone else catching that. Well done, Kenny, and in such a flash too!

Randomly funny thing I noticed later that makes me laugh is that Cait hated the angry oil slick hair so much on Vi that she's literally taken Vi to safety, getting surgeons to save her life, and also randomly finding time to wash her hair so that it's back to the normal red color haha

the fact that amanda, one of the main writers, commented that this scene was also a way for vi to reclaim her prison trauma adds another layer of unseriousness to this 😭

Catra was a child, had a terrible upbringing, wasn’t privileged, and had more time. It’s not that comparable id say :)

@VVenture god it feels like you’re one of the few people i’ve seen who’s willing to be honest and upfront about the dip in writing quality. caitvi shippers are so disingenuous about the flat storytelling simply because they got their endgame and that was their only investment.

Caitlyn also did way less bad things than Catra (*cough* she almost destroyed reality *cough*)

I don't think Cait has done much to be redeemed of tbh. At least not nearly as much as Jinx has, and thus her vendetta is kinda valid to some extent.

Yupppp that’s what happens when one character has clearly been given WAY more attention in the writing room than the other. Justice for “dictator” Cait

Agree. Nothing she said in that cell gave any inclination that Vi knew what Jinx was going to do. "I really thought she'd help us.." She just doesn't know her sister anymore.

Not to mention she probably would have bounced before Vi recovered if she wasn't locked up. People would have criticized Caitlyn for that as well lol.

People being terrified of sex but having no problem with copious amounts of violence are so backwards. That scene was beautiful and tender and I would've loved to see the full 5.

I didn't understand very well what you meant at the beginning, but I understood what you meant after and at the end. Could you explain it in other words please?

Yes, sex is a fundamental part of almost every single human being existence. I'm sorry it's ugh.

Yeah ngl I don’t get what Vi was mad about lmao. Did she think Cait was gonna put Jinx in a hotel? Let her chill out as a roommate? 🤣

Yeah, it’s understandable. If the writers appear to not care about the characters and story, why would you?

For some people an actual apology is important. For some people it's not. If someone gave me an actual apology but didn't show signs of changing i won't care.

I will fix it!

Perhaps for the holidays???

It’s basically time for the arc to progress and age of characters that makes Catra and Caitlyn different. Also Caitlyn had WAAAAAAY more privilege than Catra.

Vi couldn’t have known with the information she had especially when you realize how unconnected vi is from jinx’s emotions as seen in season one

i think what confuses me is cait has a bad couple weeks maybe a month at most and she has to beg for forgiveness meanwhile jinx is a step below a serial killer and she deserves unlimited chances at redemption/forgiveness without earning it

The gold on Jayce being the same as the "robots"(idk what to call them) is a really awesome detail! I sure didnt catch that!

jinx didn’t have the hex gemstone!! she was just seeing it

It also feels REALLY out of place for Vi to be doing that at that moment. The last person she saw was her sister who, in pretty clear terms, said that she was going to end her own life. Even if Vi isn't running off to save Jinx (which she absolutely would), I doubt she'd be in a loving mood.

Very good points. It’s nice for us to see Jinx be capable of change. And even though we see that she has, most of her crimes cannot be forgotten so soon. It’s understandable that she was locked up on the spot.

The mage is called lablanc she is one of three leaders of noxus s(e leads the mages of noxus thats why she cares to bring her in

If it felt sudden for Cait and Vi heres some context its the eve of war; the next day one of them could be dead.

it looks normal until you click play, then it says ''sorry, this video does not exist'' with a blank background.

Like it's not on patreon or link doesn't work

I noticed that, too. ☹️

Commenting about a missing Demon Slayer episode, S2 episode 17<-(patreon number) and s2 episode 10 <-(youtube number) one of THE best episodes of Demon Slayer, is there any way it could still be uploaded, even if its been a while?

He was dead victor resurrected him but for all purposes ishas sacrificed did kill Warwick even is it’s just temporary

Nah

Pfft 😅

😂

I’m just saying if we got the finale as a Christmas present we’d appreciate it! Lol

Except Warwick's not dead. We see that in this episode.

Elijah is that you? 😆

Isha also saved countless lives by killing Warwick to the point that ambesa gives her a funeral knowing what she did she wasn’t a plot device in the sense that any character is nothing more than a plot device

Mel is outrageously gorgeous. The animators ability to make every character so hot is crazy

Um lets be honest jinx is the main character of the whole series and one of the most interesting characters. Her arc and story are some of the best parts in season 2 cause the rest of them i didn't really care for except for ekko.

Honestly pissed that my goat Ekko isn't in this episode

I was waiting for a forehead smooch

I really wished they spent more time on Ekko and Jinx. The fact that Ekko isn't in this episode is so upsetting to me lol

And the fact all season shes shown as a hero and she doesn't see herself like that all

Caitlyn and Ambessa relationship is a great parellel to Jinxs and Silco. Its both adults taking advantage and manipulating a child that has just lost someone. Silco defiantly loved and cared for Jinx more though. It hard to notice but jinx and caitlyn are actually quite simular.

Skye fr said "I know what you are"

You aren’t Vi. There is no moralizing to be done here. All these characters are flawed, messy people on purpose.

That fight between Viktor and Jayce was way too sensual loll

I think Skye represeted Viktors guilt and humanity. With her gone Viktor is gone

I'm almost afraid to ask for context

"Big moment" is wild

I really hope he ends up with a spin off. He deserves it. The fact that Isha a whole new character had more screen time than Ekko is crazy to me.

No I loved code geass, but table kun situation was weird af lol

I see it yea

Good catch I never noticed that before

Arcane has a wired tradition of having to characters have a sex scene while another character related to them is not having a good time last season it was victor this season it was jinx

Hard to call it fan service when Season 2 was written before Season 1 aired. If anything, one could say the writers expected people to have more sympathy for Caitlyn.

This. It also isn't out of character for vi and caitlyn's relationship to be shown through actions and not words. We see it in season 1. Both characters care more about actions than words and their entire relationship plays out that way.

So the Black Rose mage isn’t actually related to Mel. They referred to Mel as “sister” because they wanted to welcome her to her new “family” as a mage

What do you mean by "considering who the writer is"?

Agreed. Out of all the main characters, I'd say Viktir was one of the few handled well in season two.

For example you know in episode 5-6 that the people viktor are transforming are becoming emotionless dead husks if you pay attention.

Sounds like an excuse to me

Do you not like Code Geass or something?

Amanda, one of the writers, talked about this scene and how it is Caitlyn’s apology through action rather than dialogue. Caitlyn is fully prepared for Vi and Jinx to just leave, and that she might never see Vi again.

Honestly lucky you lol

I thought she was the hex Core too but she disappeared at the end of this episode. She’s probably actually sky but she was erased from even his mind.

Yea, I understand. Like you said, at least a little bit more dialogue or something would have been nice

Caitlyn also did way less bad things than Catra (cough she almost destroyed reality cough)