it's the country episode

I was 3 seconds away from commenting that I wish this episode discussed Lil Nas X (even tho I lowkey had no idea when this episode came out and if it was relevant at the time haha) So never mind! Thanks for saying the things my heart needed to hear. I have teared up on multiple occasions thinking about how big of a thing it is for him to simply ~gallop~ into the scene and turn every trope on its head. Also, although I have VERY mixed feelings regarding Beyonce when it comes to ethics surrounding class and money - It absolutely smashed down so many barriers when she put out one SINGLE country song and won a fucking CMA for it. It's a banger too. I want so much more of this energy

Found "The True Racist"

Cook E Crisp

Also, Chris Stapleton's cover of "Nothing Else Matters" is better than the original. Please @ me.

Cook E Crisp

"Tequila" is indeed a great song, but a VERY confusing music video lol

Cook E Crisp

Sampled. Reznor got credit, a Grammy and a shitload of money out of it.

Robert Young

dude's got a "we the people" tatty and all

helpsterskelpy

I don't think it was out yet, would have been a month or two

Wontolla

Old Town Road stole the beat from one of Nine Inch Nails new songs. Very odd.

The True Nihilist

I'm surprised ya'll didn't talk about the shitty Aaron Lewis song "Am I the Only One?" Dude literally went from being an angsty rock musician to a reactionary middle age dude writing country songs whining about BLM and football players kneeling

Charles Wesley Godwin, Zach Bryan, Ian Noe, and Tyler Childers. Yola, Lily Hiatt, Amanda Shires.

Yeah, re: understanding 9/11. We really can't understand it. I was born in 2003, and it's just an unimaginable divide. Older people like to talk about a sense of safety being shattered or how it changed everything and I'm just like. Things weren't divided? Weren't they terrible, always? Historically, there's all this shit going on! Things are better than they used to be, there's more awareness of stuff? But they always look at me and look down on me because I just don't get it. And there's no way *to* get it. Everything comes back to 9/11, all the time, always, but like. People die every day? More people have died in hurricanes. Katrina was worse, wasn't it? And it makes no sense, like, there wasn't an attack on hurricanes. But I wasn't there. I will never get it, and that frustrates me to no end.

Of Winter

I know this is late and very pedantic, but I just have to correct the pronunciation of Tyler Childers' last name. The "chil" part of his name is pronounced like the word chill and the last part is pretty much sounds like you'd expect. I know this because I'm from the same state as Tyler Childers and I have grown up around people who have the same last name as him.

Elder Dog

I absolutely hate "God Bless the USA". When I went to Navy basic training, they would run us through some bullshit to make our recruit company feel bad about our effort, lecture us about giving our all, and then play that damn song. Guys would be bawling like their mother died and I realized how hard we were being manipulated. I cringe every time I hear it to this day.

Neil Wicker

Makes me think of No No Joe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_m3GVys3s4

I once saw This Machine Kills Fascists on a Truck. Enjoyed that one.

WankerPants

http://www.cryptophonics.com/rt78w/plist11/plist11.htm Route 78 West was a radio show playing old country / honky tonk / including socialist and worker songs.

Nick Gully

"NAFTA ruined country music" - Lee Carter

My grandpa always said: "Conway Twitty died in 1993 and it was all downhill from there." I have a theory that this problem is David Allan Coe's fault. For anyone unfamiliar, Coe's big hit was You Never Even Called Me by My Name. A song by Steve Goodman about becoming a successful country singer, but still being incapable of forming meaningful relationships. Like all truly great country songs, while most people can't relate to the specifics, we can connect to the emotional core. HOWEVER, the song includes a spoken coda where Coe explains that he didn't think the song was good enough in its original form because it didn't include any specific references to country stuff (Mama, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or getting drunk). Here was a song that every successful country artist of the 90s and 2000s would have heard hundreds of times stating flat out that a country song isn't done unless it has the explicit trappings of countryness. Yes, the song is a bit tongue in cheek, but since that sense of wry comedy seems to have also become the norm rather than the exception I don't consider it disqualifying.

Andrew T. Wilson

Tequila by Dan Plus Sign Shay is on the playlist at ny job and it fucking sucks. Unrecognizable as a country song.

This song seems relevant to this episode, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJcLa3Q9OMI

Matthew Barus

Love to have you at Toby Kieth's in Oklahoma City, Liam

Matthew Maxwell

Budding communist, gunsmith in training here. Moving back to Pennsylvania soon, ironically the York/Lancaster area. Hope to spot Liam jammin out to Tyler Childers on 30.

Don’t mention s-10s I’m still in mourning over the one I had to scrap last summer

Yes! It’s the song “we shall be free” which was written in response to the LA riots. While it’s a pretty milquetoast liberal statement these days. It faced a lot of resistance from conservatives in 1992 and having your biggest country Star support gay is kind of amazing (he actually performed the song at a gay rights rally in 2000.

I learned so goddamned much from this.

Warren McHenry

For a lot of Muslims around 2001, it was scary. We went from nobody knowing what a Muslim is to explaining and defending every aspect of Islam. Its weird looking back at those times.

Sleepi123

free ep 77 historic resrvation plus the knowledge that there was a country epsiode finally got me to throw in my :$2:

terminal_cool

https://podbay.fm/p/trillbilly-workers-party/e/1611083745

I once accompanied a drunk girl home right to her doorstep. She was a coworker and couldn't walk properly anymore. A taxi was not an option out of concern for the interior. I never wrote a song about this. I would have considered the subject exceptionally boring.

Sebastian Bohmann

we still getting Junes Bonus episode, or nah?

Roz said he was on the Trillbilly podcast - which podcast and episode so I can listen to it please?! ty

Scrub_Club_is_Life

Things went from "Where were you when the world stopped turning" to "Angry American" real quick post 9/11

Allison Stilley

Love that this came out while I was visiting Sevier County, Tennessee. Makes the "Dolly is the MBS of one county" so much funnier

titus virginia

WTYP Drinking Game! Take a shot anytime someone.... Makes fun of the French, Hah Hah, Wee Wee, Mentions reducing something to a soup like Homogenate Mentions making things more rigid Mentions Horse / Rat vicera Alice Drops the Soviet National Anthem Alice Drops GO BIRDS Liam Mentions the Great Jewish Conspiracy

I drive a 2001 SUV ( Envoy ) and I can't imagine driving anything bigger because it would be an enormous pain in the ass.

Noblesse Oblahaj

Anyone who wants to learn more should consider Andrew Hickey's 'A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs' at 500songs.com. Also, https://cocaineandrhinestones.com for something directly about country.

I was born in 1998 so I functionally became aware of my surroundings in a post-9/11 world, and it's kind of chilling to hear about the cultural response

Kstoff

Bro Country: For Old Men

Ijon Tichy

You obviously haven’t been to Stockton Ca hahaha Bako is amazing haha better than the whole state of texASS HAHA

Pat

I feel like Charlie Daniels should have been in here somewhere. "In America" was "Courtesy of the Red White and Blue" in 1979.

Sturgill Simpson makes real county music

I’m just happy to hear there’s something desirable to visit cleveland about. We’d be happy to have you

Marjorie Zeager

I’m so glad people exist in the south who made music there that is definitely not country: https://youtu.be/C8gs1pmrHtU

david hobson

Woman country songs be like "My hubby can't find no job, so I tied him to a chair, forced him to swallow a live rat and watched as it ate it's way out"

nothing to do with any thread above but does the rss link work for anyone?

Alice, YOU are also a Milennial.

With regard to NASCAR and bootlegging, I feel like the "bootlegging roots" of NASCAR is mostly redneck propaganda. It's true that a lot of bootleggers drove their souped up cars in plenty of stock car races, but NASCAR was started to consolidate various sanctioning body rules and push out shady promoters. Even if the original founders had racing and mechanical backgrounds they quickly went corporate, especially Bill France who banned the most popular driver for life just for thinking about forming a driver's union.

someone deliberately with their own cash money put it on the jukebox at the bar in the village a couple weeks ago and the friend I was with got very upset with me for knowing all the lyrics like...were you not also alive in the united states twenty years ago

don't come here

Ira Hayes was actually a Native American, from the Pima Nation. Very heartbreaking story and song.

I wish I had that Big Dawgs tshirt that says America deserved 911 to listen to this with but I don't so I'm wearing a Orville Peck mask over my covid one.

Harrison Sanchez

Ok but does LIL TEXAS count as country?

Mergatroid

One of my favorite pastimes is to piss off alcoholics at pubs singing along to copperhead road is to explain to them that copperhead road is about growing pot for half the song

The way I heard the story was that Nixon wanted Johnny to play "Welfare Cadillac" which is one of the worst poor shaming songs ever. Johnny refused citing the fact he had friends on welfare.

T.A. Martin

Steve Earle is actually a socialist, love his music. I grew up on the country music described in this video, but started branching out in high school. There's a rich history of folk and country artist who were at the very least left leaning. I love older country and folk where you get these old union songs and gems like Phil Ochs.

I believe Pima, but absolutely not Japanese.

Matt

The end portion of this episode about being a leftist that enjoys everything typically related to the right hit very close to home. I drive an old f-150, ride dirt bikes, listen to country, love guns and work as a mechanic but hold leftist values. Finding anyone who has any interest in my hobbies that I don't want to strangle because they are bigots is surprisingly difficult.

Benjamin Kenney

as a dirt scientist I can't wait to hear about how fucked dirt science is (as far as i can tell: bad)

20y/o WTYP fans rise up

Grant Frazier

Glad you mentioned The (Dixie) Chicks, whose downfall was heavily sponsored (yes, like a concert or a fun run) by FoxNation and Clear Channel. It is too little remembered how inorganic that was.

ValdVin

I've got one of those "this machine makes folk music" stickers on one of my ARs

Lucas White

I was siitting in a patch of mud being attacked by insects in Okinawa while someone played "Chicken Fried" off a little speaker and whenever a country song mentions The Troops I'm like "hey it's me"

This episode produced the most visceral anger I've felt in a while. Because everywhere is blasting this stuff. In freaking Detroit. Good old country road Detroit.

Jason Milewski

Garth Brooks had a single in the 90s that was vaguely pro-civil rights. It didn’t do as well on country radio as the singles he released right before and after. I’m sure these things are completely unrelated.

Allen

I thought Ira Hayes was Navajo.

Toby “Wahhabism isn’t too bad actually” Keith

Allen

I am seriously happy that they brought up Utah Phillips. As a nobody from Spokane I hope this will encourage folks to learn about the labor history of the PNW.

"just get a toyota" have you seen toyota prices lately? if you can't afford an f150 you definitely can't afford any toyota truck these days

Geistpunk

Spent 16 weeks with roommates during AIT playing "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue" and "The Sound of Silence" covered by Disturbed which I hated. So that Tobby song holds those memories now and I still like country somehow.

Liam check out Nick Shoulders or Croy and the Boys, some of the most solid country to come out in the past couple years

Branch Hortense

Hearing Toby Kieth talking about America kicking your ass while the news dourly repots on how the Taliban are like to retake Afghanistan in the next few months having already seized most of it, along with the numbe rof Baathists who regained power in IRaq... Hey, hey Toby? Hey Toby you guys failed. You failed to kick ass. The people you went to fight? They won. Took them a while, but they all won. Seven thousand American troops died for a handful of ashes. They dies in vain, Toby. They died for a mission that failed. So, y'know, that arrogance and cockiness really didn't get you that far, huh? Big dog can fight, but apparently not well.

DosVanya

Alice… You’re a millenial. I was born in 1982, and *I’M* a millenial (though I’m just before the cutoff). The millenials are the ones who have to explain what it was like after 9/11 to the younguns. The people you’re talking about are the ones some call zoomers Sorry. Im a terrible pedant.

Joe Arnold

Procrastination bloviation ahead: It’s also considered a weird moment within attitude science, particularly for people that study attitudes. Swells of nationalist sentiment like that have happened in the US, but never to that degree. It’s also why I personally think 9/11 is such a hotbed of conspiracy belief (most estimates have 30-50% of the US population believing “something was at least shady” about it. I honestly think it’s because the nationalist sentiment and fear of it happening to them blinded people, and by the time people started to catch up a few months later, the cognitive dissonance that arose when one compared how they felt in that nationalist surge vs. later when it started to wane may have led people to justify their belief shifts by claiming the government did a lot more than exploit their fear. It’s also pretty damn hard to cast yourself back to a high-affect moment when you’re now feeling differently, and since that fear was lightning in a bottle, hindsight bias becomes even more pronounced. I don’t have data on it though so I’m speaking completely out of my ass, but given what we know about attitudes and attitude change it’s plausible. It was just too many “firsts” and people can’t think back to then without aligning their thoughts with how they think now, but unless they participated in direct action like you or were particularly hyperaware of the realities going on I’m absolutely skeptical of all the people going “nuh uh not me”. And it’s not even malicious - it’s just something our brains do so that we can keep our thoughts consistent, which may be adaptive to conserve “processing power” and remember things more efficiently - it’s harder to remember complex feelings, after all. But it’s honestly a moment that will never happen again (too many drastic changes post-9/11, too many terror attacks afterward, social media is a whole different beast). Tl;dr: Bush did it tho. also why am I boring strangers to death instead of writing

Please don’t make me listen to country music!

Joe Arnold

As a middleschooler in the midwest, I attended 4-H summer camp in the 80s, let's say 1986-1987. Every morning for two weeks they had us gather around the flagpole, and salute the US flag for several minutes, while they played Lee Greenwood's "God Bless the USA" on a loudspeaker. I never heard the song anywhere else in my life, and until I watched this episode, I still thought the song was called "Proud To Be An American"

Casey Westerman

I am very much here for orville peck discourse

Andrew Gladstone-Heighton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxxrqo-JRr4

This title card gave me false hope that the episode was about Bakersfield CA the worst city ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEwSwQtSmDQ Ballad of Ira Hayes

John & Athena Parker

RSS feed 🅱️lease

oa

raise hell praise dale

Cooper Wickum

This episode brought up a suppressed memory from my 8-year old self (in semirural Saskatchewan) having to sing the Green Beret song at school assembly in 1970. We also sang Everyday People by Sly and the Family Stone, so yay for inclusivity question mark?

FortressPlotter

This specific bonus episode got me to be a patreon supporter. I needed more things about my dad to laugh about.

Waylon Bizket. Willy Rock. Corn. Papa Cash.

Rear Admiral JDogg

whats better than country music, Country rap, and country metal. Even better country metal rap. I always love when i go to my dad's house and he has texas hippie coalition on, such a great country/metal/rap band. just when you thought metal country and rap couldnt get any more main stream.

LL cool j really said "RIP robert e. lee but i've gotta thank abraham lincoln for freeing me" ?????????

Megan

fyi Ira Hayes was Indigenous, not Japanese-American

Olivier Cadotte

I was born in '97 so I have effectively no memory of either 9/11 or the Iraq war. Was public opinion in the UK similar to the USA's national panic "support the troops" etc or was there more open public dissent? I'd like to think there would be slightly less blind nationalism but then again BREXIT happened so probably not...

The only time I will ever break the omerta of the Patreon is to play this episode to my classical musician parents (mom: bassoon & contrabassoon, dad: tuba & euphonium), they are fairly progressive but I think this will explain to them why exactly they hate post-9/11 country music. (Also, we flew with both the contrabassoon and the C tuba on separate occasions pre-9/11... lmao @ even trying that shit nowadays.)

the people demand a "Liam's Country Bangers To Make Everyone Mad" playlists

yung_beaujolais

Hail dolly

Liz and Ash in Florida. It's very hot! Climate change will kill us all.

If you like guns and dont like chuds, join the SRA

Michael Petrarca

Ah, this explains why I hate Elvis and can't tolerate country past 1990.

Man, I Got Nothing

ngl country music triggers an instinctive urge to flee in me (save for Dolly and borderline rock artists), but I’ll treat this as exposure therapy. i’d love to say i’m 100% joking but i spent most of my childhood in confederate reenactment country (now with field trips to plantations, complete with an Extra Special Slave Quarters Tour Stop that’s so mortifyingly awkward it’s straight out of curb your enthusiasm! boy i really wish some of my classmates weren’t staring at me constantly as if they’re thinking of leaving me there!) so it’s probably adaptive

When I saw "country" I assumed it was a yay Liam anarchist rant episode

Jon Kimbel

So as a Truck Driver I STILL have to hear that damned Toby Keith song playing at Truckstops in East Texas. Haaaate

Rick

I protested the Afghanastan invasion less than a month after 9/11 and even many of my like minded friends were uneasy about coming out against that action the pressure to "support the troops" was so intense.

RSS link? 👉👈

Ansen Hultgren

Who's this Republican guy?

August

I, as a longtime hater of country who discovered recently that I mostly hate it because of bro country, am very much looking forward to this.

DeltaEvanescent

I’d like to see Roz in a wide-brimmed hat, Liam in spurs and Alice in a dress over a hoop skirt

It's a land of contrasts

Sean RD

I, as a British person, am very much looking forward to the explanation of what exactly Country music is

This is the Endtimes

Dale yeah

mckinley faas