D&D Court Bonus Cases: Tombstone Dimension Door, Ten Foot Poles, and Summerslam Updates

Screw it, I will opinion anyway. You can absolutely have a character that acknowledges that power entities that claim to be gods exist but denies that they are actually divine beings.

Featherweight

Man, it’s really hard listening to these and having an opinion you want to share then being like right, this is a years old cold case at this point and I’d Essentially just be yelling at clouds.

Featherweight

I paused this and went to watch the "Cream of the Crop" promo. Murph is right. Do it.

Caleb Shook

I linked the RSS feed to Google podcasts but it only goes so far back. Is there a way to download these older eps so not to use data?

Derrick Barrows

This is Bruce Almighty erasure and I will not stand for it

Jeremy Voigtschild

My pathfinder loving ass just vibrating at the mention of pathfinder being fun

Alaizia Robin

A rare cold take from the court this episode. In dnd gods do factually exist there power is what makes clerics have magic

Peter Doole

I know it's almost been a year since this episode and I wonder if they've dealt with the nightmare that is shape water. freezing water inside a lock should bust a lock, without even rolling a check, and that's just one of many fucked up applications of that spell. you can make water flow upwards and then freeze it for a short barricade (this would take two turns and could provide you half cover or could be used to force open something that's built over flowing water). all kinds of whacky goofery

Summer Tribe

the cleric isn't the one who say the god doesn't exist in this scenario. furthermore you can follow a domain without following a specific god, even in the books there are so many pantheons you could fully believe that one pantheon is false while you worship another, so a cleric could claim any pantheon isn't real and not be lying

Summer Tribe

given that clerics can also just gain power from following a cause it really isn't necessary to believe that gods are involved, or any specific god anyway. especially in a setting where there are multiple gods attributed to the same domain, or where other people use similar magical powers that don't come from gods

Summer Tribe

Finally listening to the backlog and probably won’t get an answer but love to know Murphs opinion on AEW. It’s been so good lately Punks back man

Ciaran Hodges

Also, Objection! Unless you're specifically playing a game where gods DON'T exist Gods exist in D&D, it's why divine casters exist. Just because a character doesn't believe in them doesn't change their existence. So a cleric saying that God's don't exist is still lying.

BertFromOhio

Are you implying that The Macho Man, Randy Savage is not in fact a large beast?

BertFromOhio

This is seriously one of my favorite things ever

BertFromOhio

Noticed it hasn't been stated. SummerSlam is in Las Vegas. Actually very easy to make this happen.

Justin Bourne

I realize that, but would it be that hard to say sure? Or get a bag of holding for it even

Bulbarat

There are retractable poles, yes, but this player did not buy a retractable pole.

For the door, I'd rule that since the door is attached by hinges to the walls, it could not shrink without the rest of the room shrinking with it, or it rips the hinges off the wall as it shrinks, maybe alerting enemies in nearby rooms Also, there are retractable poles in DnD, so I think the player was in the right

Bulbarat

Not sure if this has been said before, but I actually sort of disagree with the honorable judges on the liar liar case. I feel like in the d&d universe, if you have a cleric in the party then that cleric's God is real.. clerics get their powers from their gods and some of their spells involve their Gods directly interacting with them, so if this cleric is working with a God then, in this case, that God in particular, is real. I don't know if the liar said specifically "God is not real" or "your God is not real " but that liar should be able to see that, again, in a generic d&d campaign, gods exist, and a cleric has powers specifically because of a God. Therefore, they would be lying. Thoughts?

Maiu

I'm here just to share with the Honourable Judge Murph that my DM once made us fight a Wrestler who turned into a dragon called Hulkagon. His Hulk Hogan Impression was also on point. This is the Same DM who is playing a Wrestler (Mechanically a Bard) in Curse of Straud who uses a Magical Chair and has convinced the rest of the party to take and use spell so he can have fireworks for his intros of every fight. This is all, thank you :)

Nikki Lynn

Murph, gotta know. What's that YouTube channel with the Raw vs. Nitro reviews? I have a lot of time.......

.... has Emily ever made a BJJ reference like "Fighting from guard"? Does Emily also participate in the jiujitsu?

Second this. Damn Emily be dropping them fine-ass words.

"Move on before I feel embarrassed" -Emily Axford

Bradley Mcbutts

A Pole of Collapsing is a common magical item from Xanathar's.

Keith Spath

Can I ask if you (Emily) ever published any info for the Winter Solstice one shot? I thought it was brilliant and want to dm it for a little family campaign. I'd be willing to pay money for it.

Dawn Beder

With the mini door thing, you're getting into pathfinder feather token territory where you throw an anchor feather token, say the magic word and it becomes an anchor on the air crushing whatever it hits

Tyler Weikel

Finally listened to the episode and it's time I finally ask, has Murph ever listened to Bilmuri? Cuz he absolutely should and listen to "FLOURIDEINTHEHARDSELTZERWATER" thank me later!

My general advice for DMs is "if you shoot down your players' cool, not so unreasonable ideas enough, don't be surprised if they stop trying cool things." Let 'em have the pole. It's not a vorpal sword. It's just a pole.

Jess Little

Upvoting you to karma heaven. You are a pimp and a cool.

Jess Little

I love the Naddpod crew, but you should have tore into that DM about the pole, a 10 foot pole is a cliche item, not a niche one. And the reasoning for why it would stop stealth is silly, practically any gear in the game would affect your ability to be stealthy which is why the book specifies when it would be an issue. The reasons listed for why a DM would be afraid of a pole are the same reasons why a group would want it. It's the DM's game to run of course, but a 10 foot pole is basically the most standard item I can imagine, hell in some prior editions it was part of a standard adventuring pack.

Brian McAree Murphy

Love you all, but eternal sunshine of the spotless mind is the best Jim Carrey movie. Come on guys.

I'm literally on lunch at Lowes right now lmao.

Ryan Lonnergan

Hey Duncle Caldwell, thanks for Lowe’s shoutout!

Michael Lawton

Are y’all sleeping on Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? That deserves at minimum an Honorable Mention in the Jim Carey Movie Tier List.

Peter Christy

I just want Jake to know that I heard, and liked, his tassel hassle joke.

Pavel Lishin

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but the pole of collapsing is actually a wonderous item already so it should just be a regular 10 foot pole.

Joshua Brint

I'd like to congratulate Emily for working "paradigmatic" into a sentence like it was nothing.

holy shit buff bagwell was a wrestler my dad liked when i was younger- you just ripped that name right from my subconscious

Dallon Taylor

I just watched "cream of the crop"--the first time in my life that I have willingly exposed myself to anything WWE related--and I am in complete and total shock and awe

Chris

Player’s want a Dragonball extending pole

But what about the hinges?? THE HINGES!

Fun fact: The wrestler Kane is now the mayor of a county where I live. He is an atrocious politician! He tried to strip power from the Board of Health so they could not enact Covid restrictions.

Benjamin England

So, here’s my take on the Undertaker situation, using my best understanding of RAW. Now, correct me if I’m wrong here, but my understanding is a Legendary Creature cannot use a Legendary Action after its own turn, only after another’s. That being the case, I’m not sure where Undertaker got the action economy to take the Walrus, piledrive him off the tower, and then also have an action left over to use Dimension Door. I guess, possibly after a few rounds of combat, it could be argued that the Undertaker already had the Barbarian Walrus in a compromised position, and at the end of another creature’s turn used his legendary action to piledrive them, following it with his own action on his own turn to use Dimension Door. But doing this would be very complicated, as it would have to calculate falling speed, factor in how long both turns and single legendary actions take, etc. Because we don’t know the exact situation, it’s impossible to try to overturn the decision or make the argument against the DM. It just seems like a fairly niche moment to find yourself in for such a perfect combo, and while it isn’t impossible it was set up in that exact way, I’m not entirely sold. Either way, to not be a stick in the mud...this DM put on a fucking WWE themed campaign. So please, for the love of Kayfabe, cut them some slack.

Cameron Davis

Anyone else hearing weird audio when Murph talks, or am I going insane?

For the WWE matter, a Walrus would be unable to benefit from dimension door regardless. The caster can only bring a creature his size or smaller. A walrus is a Large beast. So in no instance could the Walrus go through the Dimension Door.

A Hot Boy Summerslam one shot would be so much fun

mikel_pickle

You should also watch Dusty Rhodes’ “Hard Times,” that’s the greatest good guy promo of all time.

Doug C.

Hahaha I'll see y'all at tiny summer slam! I'm definitely taking enlarge/reduce now

That was exactly my friend's argument lol, the hinges specifically

Casting enlarge/reduce on a door or a lock is basically a worst version of casting knock , which is the same 2nd level. So I'd probably allow it for it not being broken or anything.

James Ching

Okay but could they just break the 10 ft pile into two 5 foot pieces and then cast mending on it later when they needed to use it?

Jessie Kelly

the problem I have with the liar liar bit is this fallacy: Demanding that one proves the non-existence of something in place of providing adequate evidence for the existence of that something. Although it may be possible to prove non-existence in special situations, such as showing that a container does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence.

zach orion miller

You absolutely can have a door without a frame. All you need is a screwdriver. Whether your spell is precise enough to shrink the door without also shrinking the frame might be an arcana check but it’s certainly possible. If you can buy it as a separate item at Home Depot you should be able to treat it as a separate item in D&D.

Frances Montell

I also play in a wrestling themed D&D game with some online friends and we do it the same way. No actual attempt to resemble wrestling, just all the NPCs and villains are pro wrestlers. I have always wanted to get someone to team with me to play a Bard manager and a Grappling Barbarian wrestler.

A potential point of contention for the enlarge/reduce debate comes from this sentence in the enlarge half of the spell description: "If there isn't enough room for the target to double in size, the creature or object attains the maximum possible size in the space available." It doesn't say so, but I imagine the intent of the wording is to avoid use of the spell to just crush creatures or objects Akira-style, and it could apply to reduce as well. For example, reducing a chest may only work until it is just large enough to hold the objects inside the chest without damaging them, and a door may only reduce as much as it can without damaging the doorframe by pulling the hinges out.

Andy

Murph joining the chaos is really bringing everything off the rails. Good. Fuck rails

Judson Whitfield

I'm fully expecting a fairy Macho Man Randy Savage to mentor Hank Hogfish at some point in Eldermourne now.

Dalton Cahill

Caldwell joked about throwing a door. I had a party member who was a 1 foot tall barbarian named Pea, and he literally ripped a door off to throw it at a ghost in a haunted mansion so

So in regards to the 10ft pole case,although I won't object to the ruling I did wanna throw out some ideas for the players involved. 1st Ems mention of reduce/enlarge reminded me of something. I suggest the Wukong/Yeoui style. 2nd I'd like to recommend the Santa Clause method. Interpret this info however you'd like. I rest my case 😌

WHERE IS THE HATCH

Grant Klein

Caldwell and Emily's WWE team up is just Jens and Nyack

Gabriel Graywood

You can’t have a door without a doorframe but you can have a wall without one. A doorframe without a door becomes something else: a passageway, an opening, a tunnel, an arch, a corridor. Therefore, the doorframe is part of the door.

Scott

Truly, what is more appropriate for a WWE-based campaign than to have the Department Manager (DM) force you to take a dive?

Donny

Truly, what is more appropriate for a WWE-based campaign than to have the Department Manager (DM) force you to take a dive?

Donny

Legit reading the comments to see if someone made this call out. I have it in a campaign and it was great for getting over traps, etc. But we did specifically have the Pole of Collapsing. :)

Brian Jones

we cant teach the walrus to sell, but we did teach it to tap

Belle

Jeff Daniels check - He still acts in movies, TV and broadway, but he also owns and operates the Purple Rose Theater in Chelsea, MI (Near me) and tours as a folk musician. He even surprise opened for my dad once!

Brendan Watroba

I just need Justice Tanner in this outfit.

Shuacamole

I can't wait for the "Retractable Pole on a Pole" Match at Summerslam.

Matt Pearce

I did pause the short rest to go listen to the Cream of the Crop. Then followed it with The Rock 6-way hell in the cell promo. Wrestling promos are pure acting gold and I'm now incorporating wrestling personalities into all of my campaigns.

Brian Jones

Gods in D&D are real. Full stop. If you’re playing classic D&D and haven’t actively changed the cosmology to be ambiguous, the statement was true. There isn’t really room for debate here unless the DM has specified a change to the religious nature of D&D.

MrMach6

This just unlocked a deep memory for me that my Great Grandma used to love her “stories” in the 90’s. Her Stories was watching WWE, she was this proper little Bostonian Jewish woman who never drank in her life who ADORED her wrestling.

Nova

A door frame is just a hole in a wall. You can shrink the door, but you can't Enlarge/Reduce a hole in a wall.

mike

If I’m not mistaken for the WWE dimension door case, unless The Undertaker was also a large size creature they would not be able to take a walrus through the dimension door regardless if the walrus wanted to or not. Dimension door specifies that it’s a creature of your size or smaller and walruses are large beasts in DnD 5e

For fun, there is a common magical item in Xanathars that is a collapsible 10ft pole... I believe it's called the Pole of Collapsing.

Omg 2 D&D courts! Thank you Bahamut, thank you buff Adam Driver. This definitely helps being stuck inside working on a beautiful Friday.

Jess Wagoner

Murph’s knowledge of WWE and how he gets soooo hyped about it always amazes me. I remembered when Kane kicked out of the tombstone and I did the DBZ “impossible” as a 10 year old. Also, a dark paladin of the undertaker? Someone make the subclass!!

Julio Ortiz

It's so funny to me hearing about the WWE because even though I'm not into Wrestling, growing up both my parents watched it and both the Undertaker and Macho Man were my mom's favorite 😄

Vilaykham Sukhaseum

RE: Giant pole setting off traps. As the DM, I would just not add traps for like 30 sessions or until they stop testing everything all the time. Patience should be a DMs number 1 virtue. Remember, Dnd is very much "yes, and.."

Joseph Goldstein

Two DnD courts in one week?? It must be Crickmas, because the Naddpod Patreon be giving the people what they want!!

Jackson Paine

Caldwell had a true "Farris, cut this out" moment.

David Pugh

The cream rises to the top!

Mitchell Sigalas

While I appreciate the philosophical discussion, I'm wondering what setting the Liar, Liar game is in. In many D&D settings, the gods are demonstrably and unquestionably real. In that case, the character would be a liar unless they didn't know that or were delusional.

Cheddar Whizard

Where’s the hatch?!?!

Theodore Giesen

Can’t believe my question made it to court! Cheers for answering! Now I have to start prepping my ‘Breaking into Summerslam’ One Shot...

As much as I agree that people should have a moment to think about what their character would say in a situation because your real life stats are usually different from your character stats, I think they should at least try to come up with something rp-wise. We had this issue in a game I was playing in, where we had an eloquence bard. The player continuously said things along the lines of "I am not charismatic but the character is, she would know what to say" to roll without even trying to come up with an argument. With expertise in Persuasion and the eloquence bard mechanic that each roll on d20 on Persuasion or Deception below 10 is treated like a 10 it meant EACH of her rolls was a minimum of 18 at level 3 regardless of what she said or did. It felt so immersion breaking and cheap that it really took the fun out of the game for the rest of us, especially because she would get mad if anyone else try to talk to NPCs instead because our bonuses were not as good, even if we actually made sound arguments. I understand that people playing high charisma characters don't always have good charisma irl (especially if it's also a matter of language barrier etc), but I think they should be rewarded for at least trying to come up with a convincing argument.

From what I remember Emily has been reading the Priory of the Orange Tree and started on some discworld novels as well. She also mentioned reading Children of Virtues and Vengeance in a drawing livestream but i don't remember if that was pre-covid or not.

Saru

Without spoiling anything it is so so much better than that

I work at Hertz in Australia and I believe my 40% friends and family discount is usable worldwide if it gets me a ticket to SummerSlam

Brobold the Kobold

I’m so happy for Murph going to summerslam!

Barback of Penance

For the enlarge/reduce question, I would argue that the doorframe is holding the door, and would be unaffected by the spell.

Michael McDougall

Money in the bank match with a 10ft pole one shot as a stretch goal

Haven't listened to the sode yet but if my imagination is correct I'm fully on board for a 400ft high tombstone on a BBEG

Enahs

I'm *ALL* here for this deep philosophical argument. Paradigmatic! Great word Em!

Taylor Schult

I’ve never watch wrestling but I totally paused and went and watched that video Murph suggested and then fell down the rabbit hole. What an entertainer, the cream truly does rise to the top

Scott Hewson

The philosophical debate is quite a famous one that is called "An Argument from Ignorance" and John Locke came up with the terms False Positives/Negatives. Basically it demands that those who state the thing they beleive is fact to provide evidence to legitimise their fact in the first place to claim it. It is a logical fallacy.

Fergus Woods

2 DNDCourts? This does please the court

FusRohNahSon

Ah! That podcast is BomBarded! It's kind of awesome because they're an actual band so they write songs for the campaign. But yeah there's a druid, a rogue, and a barbarian who are all bards.

Olivia Hill

May it please the court!!!

Jeffrey Steck, Lord of the Fjord

Hey, any chance that the 2 Crew and DM Murphy could share some top ten books/ a reading list for lockdown? I'm looking for recommendations and I'm sure others would be interested. I'm bias toward epic fantasy myself!

Mick

Jury Duty!

Canid

what a TREAT!!!

Rachel

NO WAY YOU GUYS POSTED 2

Frank Mastromatteo IV

D-D-D-DOUBLE EPISODE DROP HYPE!!!!!

Danley Staniels