Movie Watcher Reads Harry Potter For the First Time! - Goblet of Fire Chapters 34 & 35!

I disagree wholeheartedly and do not believe there was any intention of humor in the Neville scene. It was conveying that he struggles with his thoughts when he’s a bit thrown by a situation. Harry doesn’t experience and react to situations like Neville at all so that comparison is a bit irrelevant

Elise

It seems Veggie, with the first chapter, you were more concerned with what the movie showed, to what was happening in the book, especially just focussing on the fight rather than what Harry is going through. With him being able to ward off Imperio, and showing how he'll go down fighting even though he is terrified, is great moments to show that Harry has an indomitable spirit, and that spirit won't be broken by Voldemort, no matter what he tries now he's back. And it shows that Harry will be a formidable foe to Voldemort going forward. He wasn't just lucky that the curse rebounded when he was a baby. Here is a wizard who will give Voldy a run for his money. The phoenix song is played during Priori Incantatem, as both Voldy and Harry's wands have the same core, Fawkes phoenix feathers. No I don't think the Weasley twin actors are in the Star Wars sequels. Domnhall Gleeson is, who plays Bill though. And of course his father Brendan, is Mad-Eye in the films too. The best part of the prequels (there isn't a lot tbh!), Obi-Wan. Neville never stole Gillyweed. He got it in the loch next to the giant squid. Why would he need to raid Snape's storage cupboard, if there is a hulking great body of water next to the school? Edit : Having just watched your final review of the book and speaking of Harry, it seemed you did take on board everything that he went through that night and subsequently, so I apologise if my first sentence, came off as a bit brusque!

Saltire

Ooh! Ooh! I just had a thought! What if Barty Jr. turned the cup into a two-way portkey? On purpose. So that “when” Voldy killed Harry, he could come back to Hogwarts and then kill everyone else? Mayhaps?? Also, regarding Frank. He heard Voldy and Wormtail talking about the Ministry of Magic and muggles and wizards before they found him and killed him. So that’s what the “really was a wizard” but was about 😊

itsanursething

I think the reason the portkey goes back to the outside of the maze is Voldemort would have used it after killing Harry to get into Hogwarts.

Kunzite Blossom

Thanks, it's not a big deal

Me Here

Ok, I will try to cover it at the start of next time, sorry.

VEGGIE GAMER

Veggie, I just realized that you skipped around 80% of my comment in the book club (at around 2:23:00) 😭 You read the first paragraph and went to the next comment.

Me Here

Crouch Jr: Gets jailed for the dumb shit he did while making friends with Death Eaters as a teen, lets his mother die in in place in order to escape, gets back to working for Voldemort's designs as soon as he's able to, takes down the most powerful Auror of its time and impersonated him for a full year without raising any alarms, providing Voldemort with access to his nemesis which allows him to fully return to a physical form, and isolates said nemesis when Voldemort wasn't able to finish the job with the intention of murdering him after a bit of gloating. Veggie: idk I think Crouch Jr might have been innocent guys! 😭😭😭

Psykotik

My bad, I completely forgot about the wand cores being mentionned in the weighing of the wands, which comes to show that even after reading this story countless times, including twice in the last two years, you can still forget some important details. I know I'm projecting my perspective a bit, as I much prefer being surprised by the story than accurately predict it. For example, I read the Artemis Fowl books as a teenager/young adult, and I remember being a bit disappointed by the later books as I was able to guess what the twists were going to be, either because I was more grown-up or because I was getting used to the author's formula for writing twists. I much prefered having my mind blown by the earlier books.

Alias93

Horns novel is so good!

Jo Winters

I checked and you're probably right. Harry Potter wiki says: "On 24 June of that same year, Bartemius Crouch Junior, posing as Alastor Moody, gave Harry Potter a potion described as having a peppery taste following the third task of the Triwizard Tournament and the return of Lord Voldemort, which may have been the Pepperup Potion, or something very similar to it."

Me Here

frank heard them talking about wizards, but thought it was code. then when he came back he figured out is was not a code. i think that is why no one brought it up.

Garfnob

Isn't it called Pepper up potion or something? That popped into my head when I read the description.

Luci Love

In the book dobby is given a sock with a book in it where in the movie it is the reverse. The cup taking them out of the maze I put down to the fact that harry moved the cup to a different location in the graveyard which would change the position of where the cup would return you to. If the cup works in the way it takes you to a point within range of an area rather than an exact place so moving the cup would change where in that area you reappear. Voldemort does refer to his most faithful servant (barty jr) being in place at Hogwarts during one of Harrys dreams. Young Barty jr looked young and naive which he was trying to use to his advantage when on trail. It is kind of implied that crouch sr was a bit work obsessed and didn't give his son enough attention which is why he was looking for an alternative father figure in voldemort, though his choice as an alternative father does seem to point to the fact he wanted to punish his own father by allying himself with a group that his father actively hates. Wonder if barty sr sacks winky more out shame at his own weakness regarding his son so is projecting that on winky. I assume the weatherby isn't crouch been dismissive of forgetfull but more a case of the strain he is under beginning to make him break mentally which is why his son can spasmodically free himself from his control. Regarding Dumbledore and what he knew is probably mostly suspicions than facts so he wants winky so he can confirm his suspicions. Cedrics dad was in drop the dead donkey, I've seen him in a few serious roles in Agatha Cristie adaptations on stage.

Simon audsley

Barty Crouch was NOT in Slytherin, there is NO OFFICIAL source that gives us his house! I HATE it when people invent things! and put everyone that is a bit evil into Slytherin. *`wants a puking smilie *

Dara Jeeling

This one hasn't only been explained by the movie though, but two times already by the books, including once in this book. I also commented on it in the book club (The Weighting of the Wands chapter), so that's another instance where Veggie has heard it. Surely it's okay to bring up information he has read about multiple times? But I understand it comes up again in the next chapter, so it's a bit different.

Me Here

The potion Crouch Jr gave Harry is some kind of potion that clears his head/eyes. Don't know the name: '“Drink it . . . you’ll feel better . . . " Moody helped tip the stuff down Harry’s throat; he coughed, a peppery taste burning his throat. Moody’s office came into sharper focus, and so did Moody himself. . . . He looked as white as Fudge had looked, and both eyes were fixed unblinkingly upon Harry’s face.'

Me Here

Yeah, I'm not sure where the Veritaserum theory is coming from. It just clears his head/eyes as the book says.

Me Here

I haven't seen a whole lot with the 3 mains but here are some movie recommendations: Starring Daniel - Horns (based on a novel by one of my favorite authors), Imperium (so good, so serious) and you have to see Weird: the Al Yankovic Story (but then, so do I) Starring Rupert - Wild Target (with another HP alumn), Moonwalkers, and Sick Note (ok this one is a TV series, but it's so fun)

Luci Love

That's the other possibility. Its not as fun though.

S1lm4r1l

Yes, the fact that this will be explained later by the book is why I wish it hadn't been brought up in the book club: Veggie has stated before that he would prefer we don't explain stuff that will come later (even if it might already have been explained by the movies). For example if he somehow forgot that Snape was on Dumbledore's side, we shouldn't talk about it. But for stuff that he might have missed/forgotten that will never come up again (for example, Frank saying that Voldemort was an "actual wizard" because of what happened in the first chapter) it's completely fine.

Alias93

Thank you, Mel! I'll be honest, I really worry about how my reading affects these videos, but I enjoy the book club so much and I love reading all of your thoughts on the chapters!! It is definitely a challenge, but I wouldn't change a thing! :) And it is so kind of you to say I have improved! I have you lovely lot to thank for that! <3

VEGGIE GAMER

Thank you, Lily! I had a feeling it would have had that affect on some! I think I may have been right there with you, tbh!

VEGGIE GAMER

Hi, in answer to your question, yes I absolutely did ask my mum to stop reading when I got to this point in the book. I didn't pick it up again for several years.

Lily Spungle

I saw it as Moody giving Harry a Pepperup (I think that's how it is spelled) potion. Just because of the way it describes how it made him feel. He needed him more alert to get the information

Brannas86

re: Neville, I don’t entirely disagree with you… I think the word mixup moment is deliberately just on the verge of comedic. It’s something we would normally find funny, except that the previous scene is so grim, and Harry, our POV character, doesn’t seem to find it particularly funny… it’s meant to get the reader’s mind working, to start the transition of Neville from this goofy slapstick guy to a complicated character with a tragic past. Once the reader knows the backstory, it’s impossible to ever find the moment funny again, which I think is part of why people struggle to even notice the possibility of it. I don’t see the purpose of the line as injecting humour because Neville is the laughing stock. She’s tipping us off that something is up with Neville. He shows that in a way that makes sense for his character— he’s clumsy and anxious and stumbles over his words, even more than usual. With the benefit of hindsight, we can see that this specific instance is the direct result of trauma— and we can even look back and wonder to what extent all of “haha Neville messes everything up” moments are rooted in what he’s been through. To me, it’s a moment that she knows you might find funny, and she hopes that you’ll reflect on that and regret it. IMO there’s a lesson in here that’s never explicitly spelled out which is “you never know what exactly you’re laughing at when you make fun of people”.

K

Yeah, bad habit of mine. Giving Harry Veritaserum makes much more sense than the alternatives, at least in my opinion. And yeah, that probably is the case. But I can't shake the similarities between the two scenes. It seems far more than coincidence.

S1lm4r1l

I mean that's an interesting headcanon, I was more surprised that you stated it as if it was absolutely confirmed, felt like I must have missed something. Personally I saw it more as Harry not wanting to speak about everything he just went through but doing it anyway because he felt he had too, and his tone was due to him still being in a state of shock and exhaustion.

Alias93

Doesn't he? Only a short time later, Dumbledore asks him to recount everything that happened once they left Hogwarts. Harry doesn't want to, but he does it anyway. He tells Dumbledore and Sirius the truth. All of the Truth. Everything he could remember. When Barty Crouch is under the influence of Veritaserum, his replies are monotone. Harry's recollections are implied to be divulged in a similar manner. Crouch couldn't use the Imperius Curse because he already knew Harry could resist it. He taught him how. Obviously, its never confirmed and is completely my head-canon. But I like to think Barty's ego unwittingly helps Dumbledore put the pieces together about Voldemort's plans and Horcruxes.

S1lm4r1l

Wait, you think Moody gave veritaserum to Harry? That has never been my interpretation, I've always assumed the potion was just meant to clear Harry's head, he doesn't show any signs of feeling compelled to tell the truth or anything similar to what happens with the imperius curse for example (granted, we don't really know how it feels like to be under the influence of veritaserum). Agreed about the scene with Dumbledore when Fred and George put their name in the goblet of fire, although judging by the rest of the movie, if they had done it we probably would have ended up with Dumbledore teleporting next to the goblet, shouting "You shall not pass!!!" and bodyslamming the twins across the age line himself.

Alias93

I did think about this but decided against it. I think it's generally right to bring up information Veggie should already know. Actually for the exact reason you give: because it's been so long that he has forgotten, and especially because the information has been given multiple times already. It's probably a bit different here because the answer is given (once again) in the next chapter, but yeah. I've edited the comment since you want it.

Me Here

Don't worry about getting things wrong, this is your first time reading and there's a lot of details that aren't really explained, or expanded on. 3 Scenes I wish we got: The Weasley Twins beard-growing scene with Dumbledore laughing with everyone else. It would be a nice addition to the scene. Madness of Mr Crouch, that would've been a real dramatic moment. The Egg and the Eye, if only because of Snape's nightshirt. I agree with you on Neville. The audience is supposed to think at the time Neville's misspeaking is comedic. And its only with the benefit of hindsight that we realize why Neville was stumbling over his words. Moody gave Harry Veritaserum to ensure Harry couldn't lie when relaying all the details about how Voldemort treated the Death Eaters. He desperately wanted to know Voldemort's opinion of the Death Eaters and himself. Dumbledore revives Barty after giving him Veritaserum. That's why Barty answers. Memory charms are definitely unethical. The way Junior words it. Barty Snr used a memory charm that was far too powerful, well beyond what would be standard fair for Obliviators to use on Muggles. Sad to say, but Veritaserum and Memory charms are the tip of the Iceberg when it comes to Wizarding ethics.

S1lm4r1l

You said at one point in the video that you were a terrible reader. Well, just before you mentioned it again, I was thinking that you'd improved, you read much more fluently! :)) (Although before, it wasn't a problem at all. I hope what I'm saying isn't out of place) I think it's so great that you've taken on the bookclub project despite your dyslexia, where others would have felt overwhelmed by our graaaaand writing for hours on end. Thank you for that, Veggie. You delight us every time.

Mel

If you want to watch a movie with Daniel Radcliffe, i really suggest watching The Lost City from 2022, it just feels like he had a blast acting in it.

Emiel Callaars

Don't get confused with the Neville topic, Veggie :) I think it's because some see the plot more from the characters' side, and treat it as if it were real. And others look at the plot from a higher level. Of course, Neville's character and actions, especially in the first books, are meant as comic relief. That doesn't mean we can't debate whether what happens to Neville is right. But many Neville scenes written by J.K. Rowling were intended to be funny. (For the reader, not for Neville) It's the same for example with Snape. Some people like the nuanced character design and his importance in an overarching sense. This includes the role of the "evil teacher". (Which exists in many other children's books) And is also necessary to advance Harry's development. So his character traits seen from the author's side make sense within the plot. On the other hand, the biggest argument of some people is that he is a bad teacher and mean to the students. (Of course, he is, that's what he is meant to be) To dislike his moral choices and behavior and feel sorry for the students in the story is a very emotional approach to analyzing a character or situation. I think both points of view are legitimate. I hope you understand what I wanted to say...😅

Caroline

In my opinion Barty Crouch Junior is a psychopath. He wasn’t really scared during the trial, he was putting on a show to appeal to the emotions of his parents and be freed so he could return to Voldemort.

Eliina

Looking forward to Veggie learning the true extent of this when Dumbledore explains it perfectly next chapter as he predicted

Rhea H Pelotto

Yeah, at this point the only information Veggie has about Harry's and Voldemort's wands come from an early chapter of PS and a passing mention by Voldemort of their wand "sharing the same core" (without mentionning the phoenix feathers) in DH part 1, both of which happened nearly 3 years ago. Expecting him to remember that and to figure out that it's the reason for what happened during the duel (when I don't think the book intends you to, even if you've been reading them recently) is quite a stretch.

Alias93

I wish people would stop talking about things he obviously doesn't remember. I'm rereading the books now and even I avoid spoilers even though I've read the books before. It's amazing how much you forget after a while. And it's much better to relearn something from a book than from someone else's commentary.

Ирина Устюгова

I know it is information that comes from an earlier book, but I don't think the reader is supposed to remember that when reading chapter 34. It has been so long since this was mentionned, and it was never brought up again so I think it is meant to be a surprise to the reader when it gets explained, something that makes you go "oh yeah that's right", not something you would think of immediately when it happens. But it was already mentionned in this book club, so...

Alias93

"spoilers" below

Alias93

You'll learn more about this, but I will say you should already know why the Phoenix song was playing

Me Here

Can't believe we're almost at the end of GoF, and can't wait for the start of the next book! On that note, I would actually recommend you start with 2 chapters this time, there should be enough to talk about and I think it would lead to better paired chapters throughout the book than if you started with 3. Don't worry about being confused about what is going on in chapter 34, it is meant to be confusing, both for Harry and the reader. About the potion "Moody" gives Harry in his office, I think it's just to make his mind clearer and get him out of the state of shock he is in so that Jr can question him about what happened. Jr is indeed unconscious when they make him drink the truth potion, but Dumbledore then revives him with a spell before he starts questionning him, so he is awake for that part (but so much is happening in that moment, it is easily missed). Here are some scenes that I wish were in the movie: - the Weasleys coming to pick Harry up at the Dursleys - the Quidditch World Cup match - the end of The Egg and the Eye chapter - Harry and Krum finding Crouch Sr near the forest - the actual trial scenes - the third task with all the obstacles - the full interrogation scene - a scene that will happen in the next chapter

Alias93

The triwizard cup portkey is a bit confusing, agreed. But maybe Barty created the portkey while he was OUTSIDE the maze, making it a portal between those exact two spots?

Huldra Draco

Chapter 31 ends: "in a howl of wind and swirling colour, Cedric at his side" and Chapter 34 ends: "in a whirl of wind and colour, Cedric along with him". Heartbreaking.

Ирина Устюгова

Please delete or edit your comment, you're spoiling what's going to happen in the next chapter!

Ирина Устюгова

It's a good idea to always ask what Dumbledore knows. I doubt he ever thought it was a coincidence that Winky had Harry's wand which cast the dark mark. He probably spent the entire year trying to make a connection.

JW

Huldra Draco

Don't be silly! I think you are clever and notice many interesting things that others do not.

Jo Winters

That is very fair! I think it may be a side-affect of me seeing atomic Dumbledore in the movies that maybe made this rage moment less noteworthy than it would have been to book readers. This is something I do try to avoid doing in these reviews (letting what I have seen influence my book exprience), but I clearly messed up here, as in the Book Club it was very clear how inpactful that moment was for the majority of you guys. Sorry, I'll try and address it next time!

VEGGIE GAMER

You did mention that, so that was my mistake. I guess I expected you to go into it more. I apologize for the confusion.

John Phillips

Sorry, John. I screwed up. I thought I mentioned how Harry saw Dumbledore's expression in that moment as 'terrible'?

VEGGIE GAMER

I agree, many have their own moral views where insane things are right to do and some smaller things are extreme offence to them.

Jo Winters

Sorry I get so much wrong in these, guys! I am not the brightest of waffles after all.

VEGGIE GAMER

On your point about Crouch Jr. taking the moral high ground over his father despite being a death eater, a lot of bad people are hypocrites. I definitely do not think he was innocent. He was one of the death eaters who tortured Neville's parents. I'm also very surprised you didn't comment on Dumbledore moment of fury when he barges in Moody's office during the chapter review.

John Phillips

No way Barty is innocent. He says 'they turned their backs on my master when he needed them most' and 'whether he forgave the scum who never even went to look for him. ' meaning he, Barty, did go looking and this is why he and the others tortured Longbottoms. Because they were looking for Voldemort after he lost his power. If he wasn't the one who was looking for him and therefore tortured Longbottoms thinking they knew his whereabouts (mentioned at the court), he would not mention it like that. Because why would he call them scum for not doing something he also didn't do.

Jo Winters

They are like portraits to me, not like ghosts or souls.

Jo Winters

Got to be said, any interpretation of JRs innocence is definitely something that hasn't crossed my mind before. Looking forward to hearing what triggered that

Alex

Ah that is definitely it! Thanks Emma, I forgot that part!!

VEGGIE GAMER

I think franks line is just in reference to when he entered the house and he heard them talking about magic and was like wtf they’re talking rubbish and now he’s like I guess he wasn’t talking nonsense after all he was a real wizard

Emma Servi

Turn your phone off vibrate! 😆 I always read all the comments (and reply if I have something to say) before leaving my own comment so that's why I just did a whole bunch in bulk lol

Garry (Not Jerry)

For scenes I’d have liked to have seen: - the campsite during Quidditch World Cup. All the different cultures, different magic etc, it would’ve looked fantastic on screen. - the third task with all the extra obstacles. - The Madness Of Mr. Crouch

Andrew K

Lets treat it as a homage to Hagrid

Jo Winters

Alright I gave the notification 9 FULL mins as to not seem to "stalkery" but, that's the best I can do. I have to watch NOW. CHEERS 🥰🥰🥰🥰

Rhea H Pelotto

"Haha, I did say I would get this to you 'today', " In Scandinavia it's Wednesday now, so we can't trust you as much as those from the UK can :/ Really looking forward to watching it! In my opinion there's no need to apologizing for not getting this out at the exact same time each month. You're providing us with HOURS of content! It's not like it's a small 20 minute review of the chapter (which is what a normal person would make... and what a normal person would like to watch... luckily none of us are normal).

H

Just going to say this now as I am watching the video back and I can't stop noticing it - my beard it a disgrace in this one! XD So sorry, guys!! Need to have a good mow! XD

VEGGIE GAMER

Well I guess I could stay up for a little longer 😉😂 it’s always a delight to get this notification, no matter the time!

Tiegan

Fuck yeah

Alex

Let's go!

Hairy Pothead