Angel Fridays! Season 3 Episode 4 Reaction!
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Now hear me out... I really liked this episode. I just REALLY hated the villain! XD In the best way possible!
Always great to see Angel being able to play a different style character, and he was brilliant in this one!
I was just so nervous for Fred.. I have become defensive toward Fred. XD
I was on the edge of my seat with this one. Great idea of a character, but GOD did I hate him! XD
Hope you guys are having a great week!
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Comments
Every time I see this episode I think, as horrific as what Marcus was doing was, there's something sort of beautiful about Angel getting to experience age. Aging is a pretty fundamental part of being human, and it's one of the many ways that Angel is cut off from human life. He got to feel something in this episode that he'll probably never feel as himself.
Elizabeth Rose
2025-05-03 20:03:19 +0000 UTCThe download file is incorrectly named Arcane 3 4 instead of Angel 3 4.
Bruce Woodcock
2024-12-06 07:17:08 +0000 UTCThere is no evidence in this episode that they were trying to make him racist, while their is evidence he isn’t a racist. It doesn’t matter if it was common in Hollywood or other films and shows because it doesn’t apply here. Granted trends and tropes like that can and do happen but when they do there’s actual racism, subtle or otherwise from that character, but that isn’t the case in this one. Just because something is common doesn’t mean it happens every single time and the writer of this episode didn’t follow that trope. So, it seemed wrong to state it like a fact as you did, that that’s what they were portraying when it wasn’t. What I meant was that assuming things not in evidence the way you are with this episode usually means that’s what you expect. That could be because you seem to think that absolutely everybody in Hollywood does everything the same despite being different people with different ideas or because you yourself assume people are racist based on arbitrary things like age. I just think you should judge things on their own merit and not put negative connotations on to it that the creators don’t put on themselves.
Delia P
2024-12-03 05:10:19 +0000 UTCRight, saying 99% of something is called a saying that means something is extremely common, not actually 99% of something. The viewers understanding what the writers were trying to convey doesn't make anyone a racist, either. I immediately thought they were trying to make the character make a racist notion, but I didn't think he made one. It was very very very common in the late 90s/early 2000s to make the random old white dude a racist, is all I'm trying to say. This is because it was an extremely common belief in real life among people at the time in Southern California (which has a huge influence on what happens in TV and movies). Maybe the obviousness isn't obvious to people who either didn't live in the time, didn't live in the region, or just don't understand how Hollywood works, though? (Also, I totally get the old doesn't equal racist. I'm the last person you would want to argue with about this since I see things as racist way less than most other people I talk to. I didn't even say that the viewers would see it as racist, just that they would see that as the writers wanting to portray that.)
Hanneli Norrgard
2024-12-03 02:37:03 +0000 UTCAgreed! It actually really took me out of the episode that they didn't notice it sooner😕 The fact that Cordy didn't figure it out the same night (or at the very least when "Angel" started eating because he was hungry) seemed just dumb to me. Just the fact that they are supposed to be a closely working team and friends on top of that should be enough to get any of them to regognize very fast that Angel wasn't being himself. Mix in the fact that they are constantly confronted with supernatural things of all kind and are supposedly on the lookout for Angel to turn back into Angelus through some freak accident or something and I think it's ridicculous to think the wouldn't catch on sooner!
Diego Zenhäusern
2024-12-02 21:47:57 +0000 UTCI have almost no recollection of this episode from back when it aired but I thoroughly enjoyed it and your reaction! Thanks as always, Veggie, and thanks for being you.
Alicia Patron
2024-12-02 13:53:42 +0000 UTCMe too, she’s a brilliant addition and so sweet and adorable.
Delia P
2024-11-30 23:44:42 +0000 UTCI appreciate this! Honestly, this episode was excellent and had many different takes from minor moments. I really enjoyed it (though I was on edge because I am now a massive Fred fan XD)
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-30 23:43:24 +0000 UTCI wasn’t meaning you weren’t making sense, I meant the person I was responding to before because they were stating as fact an assumption they made about people’s opinions on a subject that they would personally have had no way of knowing.
Delia P
2024-11-30 23:39:05 +0000 UTCOk, I’m glad that’s cleared up, totally understand why you’d want to stay out of that kind of thing. I like your waffles, it’s adorable that you get excited about the things you care about.
Delia P
2024-11-30 22:54:35 +0000 UTCThank you, Delia. I completely understand your point now with this comment. I appreciate your concern and totally get why you would have it with everything that has gone on over the last 10 years (which let's face it, hasn't been good for anyone). All I can do is promise you that I am choosing what I do and don't want to say based on my on etiquette. Quite honestly, I do my best to avoid the whole 'culture war' thing as I find it very stressful. The waffle I come out with is purely me, with no pressure from anyone.
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-30 22:50:02 +0000 UTCNothing, I wasn’t pointing out one instance, and if you’d read my comments at face value you would have seen that. It’s relevant because it’s a constant pattern that you see everywhere increasingly over the last 10 years, where people feel they need to apologise and explain everything they say that could be remotely misunderstood. And I’ve noticed you do that a lot, you say you would be like that even without all the coercion to those thoughts we’ve been pushed to these last 10 years, and I’ll believe you, all I was pointing out was that you shouldn’t feel it’s necessary if it was due to worry over backlash or cancellation instead of just how you are.
Delia P
2024-11-30 22:39:25 +0000 UTCI agree. Now I will ask you a straight question and please answer - What does this have to do with me making a heartattack joke and then making a personal and un pressured choice to backtrack on it because I know that could have been pointlessly hurtful to someone watching this reaction? Remembering, I am not a fictional person and can choose what I do and don't want to say in my videos due to freedom of speech. Because from your assessment of my comment, it seems you are thinking the worse of MY intensions.
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-30 22:29:59 +0000 UTCOf course you are but that’s exactly my point that’s always why people laughed at it, that’s the point of irreverent comedy, but like you said it can’t be made today because people take it at face value instead of how it’s intended and assume the worst when it isn’t warranted.
Delia P
2024-11-30 22:23:44 +0000 UTCI am all up for defending what I say, and I am willing to change with good that with good discussion. I can't change what the wider world and comics say, because I am just some tool with OBS Studio. XD I hope appreciate this.
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-30 22:20:13 +0000 UTCDelia, this is a huge comment. I can't be blamed for the fall of society just because I chose to backtrack on a joke I felt I shouldn't have made. I appreciate the 10 year test, as I have now been doing this Youtube lark for that long, so have proof I wouldn't want to make that joke, even back then. You make an excellent point when it comes to the type of comedy I enjoy. But in all of those - we are laughing AT the leads. Bottom is my fav sitcom of all time. I would never say what Eddie and Richy say at face value because the sitcom is laughing at them. One of my fav (and one of my dad's absolutle faves) movies was blazing saddles. YES that couldn't be made nowadays, but it is is a movie laughing AT people punching down. I am not a fictional character. I am allowed to choose what I say.
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-30 22:18:39 +0000 UTC100%, I’m trying to get to think about things they say that don’t make sense.
Delia P
2024-11-30 22:17:14 +0000 UTCDelia - Are you 100% sure you aren't the one trying to accuse others of being racist and shutting down their opinions at this point? Free speech and all. :) We all process art in different ways.
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-30 22:13:42 +0000 UTCThen that makes those viewers racist, or most likely viewers didn’t think that, I doubt there was a poll on it or anything. No-one has anyway of understanding what 99% of people think, so maybe that’s just what you thought. Also, old doesn’t equal racist either.
Delia P
2024-11-30 22:10:09 +0000 UTCI'm just saying that for the time the show was made, 99% of viewers would have thought it was portraying the old guy as racist. Delivery guys are thought of a generic job with no specific race, but in this case it wasn't supposed to be that.
Hanneli Norrgard
2024-11-30 22:01:57 +0000 UTCRance Howard, who played Marcus, is the husband of Jean Speagle Howard, who played the real Natalie French in Buffy S1E4 "Teacher's Pet", father of Actor(The Andy Griffith Show, Happy Days), Director(Splash, Apollo 13, A Beautiful Mind) and Producer Ron Howard, and Actor(Gentle Ben) Clint Howard, and Grand Father of Actor(Jurrasic World) Bryce Dallas Howard.
Thom Purdy
2024-11-30 18:04:30 +0000 UTCIt is "Nip it in the bud", Cordy just made a mistake. Like when people mistakenly say "Chomping at the bit" instead of "Champing at the bit".
Thom Purdy
2024-11-30 17:05:33 +0000 UTCOk, but without getting automaticity defensive can you take a minute and think if that was always the case or could the last 10 years of being pushed into considering that people’s feelings matter more and fact or freedom have something to do with this kind of extreme self censorship. Giving the comedy you’ve told us you like, I doubt you always felt the need to apologise for what you found funny or the thoughts you had, and before you make it in to something bigger than I’m meaning I am no way talking about extreme forms of speech like racist stuff etc. I’m talking about our everyday use of language and how we’re being molded through institutions and new laws to self censor even benign speech, like jail time for posting something when pedos get no jail time for much worse crimes or how people get investigated by police for ‘non crime hate incidents’, just the fact people get investigated by the police for things that aren’t crimes is ridiculous. We’re headed down the route of blasphemy laws which is ridiculous. In all of this humour has started to die, I’ve seen a few new Comics and they might have one or two things that are slightly humorous but they destroy that humour by then explaining the joke, humour is dying and with it free speech. When free speech dies so does freedom entire. Wouldn’t it be better not perpetuating that kind of censorship and instead wait for someone to actually tell you their offended before apologising? I swear your Harry Potter videos would probably take an hour less if you didn’t apologise so much. I’m not meaning anything offensive with this, I like you and how nice you are but I also think there’s a line that free societies have and we’re on that line about to step over, and nothing good will come of it. The more people that live as if free speech is over will cause it to be over.
Delia P
2024-11-30 12:06:18 +0000 UTCI don’t think so, he never indicated any kind of racism, not even anything subtle, he clearly had a black friend in the home, so I just think it was meant to be another clue to the gang that it wasn’t Angel because he didn’t know who Gunn was, he only knew Wes must be a member of the team because he was in the office part, Gunn was standing in the customer side of reception, that suggests he is not part of the office. Other shows may have shown racism by assuming things about characters but I don’t get thinking someone is a delivery guy is derogatory, it’s a job that’s non specific to a race, no stereotypes there.
Delia P
2024-11-30 10:55:51 +0000 UTCSadly, they absolutely were making it racial. They had a man who was actually elderly at the time, so they wanted to make a point that he was racist. It was a very common thing to do at that time. Got an old white guy? Make him a racist. The difference with nowadays is that it doesn't matter the age, any white person would automatically be shown as the racist. Gunn was standing behind the delivered food and not reaching in for anything. It would be logical to assume that he delivered it, but that's not what the show was going for.
Hanneli Norrgard
2024-11-30 00:52:13 +0000 UTCGoodnight! I don't represent 'these days' or people saying you 'can’t say anything'. I represent myself and my own opinions and etiquette. No greater goal or agenda.
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-30 00:28:31 +0000 UTCFair enough, I appreciated the conversation too, goodnight Veggie.
Delia P
2024-11-30 00:20:07 +0000 UTCHonestly Delia, I really appreciate your comments and this discussion, but you asked the question so here is my answer - No, Buffy didn't make me stronger regarding my own parent's death. I mean that in the nicest way, but you are way off there.
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-30 00:18:28 +0000 UTCNothing wrong with being polite, I think it’s a good thing but I think it goes too far these days, everyone’s so interested in avoiding triggers, when I think confronting them, especially in entertainment, when you know nothing bad actually happened is a positive thing and builds resilience. People try to trigger warn their whole lives now, which is impossible so because they don’t confront it in a safer way through entertainment they get hit with it worse when it comes up in real life. I think it’s necessary to confront your demons, you did when it came up in Buffy, I know you found it hard but do you think it helped make you stronger for it in any way?
Delia P
2024-11-30 00:06:02 +0000 UTCAlso YES! I really want to check out Rear Window!
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-30 00:03:20 +0000 UTCI appreciate this Delia, but that isn't the reason I apologise. When I said what I said (and I still wish I hadn't), I instantly thought about how that could come across to someone that may have recently lost someone to a heartattack. This is based on my own experience of seeing people refer to things as 'cancer'. It isn't something I think those people saying it went out of their way to target, just a natural trigger that was created through my life experiences. Because I know how painful that sort of thing can be to suddenly happen when someone is watching something for entertainment, I wanted to apologise. It isn't out of fear, it is out of compassion for those I didn't mean to upset. I am sure that doesn't make sense, and in other company I would probably seem like a 'snowflake' or a coward. I am just trying to be polite. That is something that also seems to be frowned upon nowadays.
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-29 23:56:33 +0000 UTCYou should never apologise for your opinions or your jokes, your entitled to have them, and frankly anyone with even half a working brain cell knows jokes are jokes, not what you actually think. I just meant cause of how things are today we’re programmed to think everything people do and say are always wrong. You apologise all the time cause you worry about offending people, but not because what you say is actually offensive, cause nothing has been, but because we’re constantly told now that we can’t say anything that anyone could be offended by and unfortunately we’re living in a time when people claim ‘offence’ over stupid things now. It just makes everyone see only bad things about each other that aren’t even true most of the time.
Delia P
2024-11-29 23:47:43 +0000 UTCSorry Delia. I guess I am one of those. We know that Marcus knew there were more people that are part of the organisation. The fact he didn't think for a second that Gunn could have been one of them rather than the delivery guy made me think he was being a very old-fashioned guy. When I was in my early 20s in my first ever job, I would get elderly men coming up to me in shop I worked in to tell me the women in the department who were in their late 40s were doing a great job and I should promote them. They were literally talking about my supervisors and bosses. They weren't bad people, but just saw a certain order that was the norm back then. I can't unlearn that, but if I was being prejudice in my reaction there, I apologise.
VEGGIE GAMER
2024-11-29 23:37:13 +0000 UTCYou should watch Rear Window, it's good. Why does everyone make everything out to be racist, it's weird. Angel tipped Gunn because he didn't know who he was and he was delivering food, the easiest and most likely assumption to make is that he's the delivery man, being black doesn't come into it. People who automatically assume everything to be racist, sexist etc, often seem the 'ist's', because they must think that way, everyone these days is far too caught up in looking for things to be racist etc, that they start calling everything racist, don't know about you but I'm thoroughly sick of it.
Delia P
2024-11-29 23:30:49 +0000 UTC*SPOILER - comment for other veterans. Newcomers/Veggies do not read* *No seriously don't.* I laughed so much at this comment...if only he knew xD
Jake M
2024-11-29 22:49:54 +0000 UTC*filler comment to avoid showing spoiler*
Jake M
2024-11-29 22:49:04 +0000 UTCSo Carpe Noctem (seize the night) is probably a pun on Carpe Diem (seize the day). "I don't know how much [Fred] is going to change by the end." Well..we'll have to wait and see Veggie! Body swap stories make me so uncomfortable- ever since I read a novel called The Stolen when I was about 8 in which old witches swapped with schoolgirls- scarred me for life! So while there was humour to be had here, I too was watching from behind my hands XD
Jake M
2024-11-29 22:47:02 +0000 UTCI think this is a fun episode, but it's absolutely ridiculous that no one (aside from Fred since she's so new) knew that it wasn't really Angel.
Hanneli Norrgard
2024-11-29 21:55:09 +0000 UTC
