The Delta Flyers - DS9 Duet 118 Video
Added 2024-04-15 04:00:04 +0000 UTCThe Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
This week’s episode is, Duet, hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Armin Shimerman, and Nana Visitor.
Duet: Kira's investigation of a visiting Cardassian leads her to believe the man is a notorious war criminal guilty of several atrocities.
Be sure to check out Nana’s upcoming book: Star Trek: Open a Channel: A Woman's Trek
https://www.simonandschuster.net/books/Star-Trek-Open-a-Channel-A-Womans-Trek/Nana-Visitor/Star-Trek/9798886633016
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Comments
This is an important one, haven’t watched it in awhile will probably watch in a few weeks with the reactor Jen Murray. You guys did great
Harmony through Time Mighty Mouse
2025-03-17 19:11:44 +0000 UTCWe can't thank you enough for bringing Nana onto the podcast 🙏
Dee McGee
2025-01-13 05:57:55 +0000 UTCQuick thought on the stabbing at the end: in light of all the discussion about PTSD, I wonder whether the drunk Bajoran used to be a freedom fighter himself as PTSD often manifests in addictions such as alcoholism - that would both give greater motivation for his hateful killing of Maritza in contrast to Kira as well as explain how he knew precisely where to stab a Cardassian to kill him instantly.
Jason Eberl
2024-11-06 23:55:18 +0000 UTCAs established in Star Trek VI to avoid an R rating for one particularly violent scene
Jason Eberl
2024-11-06 23:48:52 +0000 UTCNana has a very good point about method acting . You're one of my favorites Nana !!
Ac3ix9
2024-09-18 18:23:25 +0000 UTCKlingons have PINK blood?!? hahahahaha
Lisa Minnesma
2024-06-15 02:15:57 +0000 UTCNot being under guard is the sense of a free society. He was being let go. There was an innocence, keeping in mind this is a pre-9.11 show.
Constance
2024-06-01 23:36:55 +0000 UTCThis whole thing started because of medical condition. Odo is a great investigator and looked deeper into where it started.
Constance
2024-06-01 22:09:04 +0000 UTCNana Visitor as Kira said as much with her face as she did with her voice. It was film acting at its best. Great closeups but incredible expressiveness. I felt what she was feeling (or thought I could … really moving episode).
Suzanne Hollifield Eller
2024-05-07 01:03:49 +0000 UTCYeah, I’m paused and came here like PLEASE tell me someone can remind him he hated Jetrel. 😂 I think he was thinking of Mortal Coil.
Jenny
2024-05-01 07:53:50 +0000 UTCI paused to think when he said that and that one’s my guess too.
Jenny
2024-05-01 07:51:33 +0000 UTCYeah, I came here while they’re still talking about it to see if Garrett winds up checking to tell Robbie he *hated* Jetrel - I’d forgotten they weren’t doing ratings yet for that quick look-up. My guess is he’s thinking of Mortal Coil, a different Neelix/death episode he loved.
Jenny
2024-05-01 07:51:00 +0000 UTCI thought it was pink?
Becky Messer
2024-04-28 07:54:44 +0000 UTCMy wife and I met Nana and got a picture with her at Star Trek Las Vegas last year and she was so real and caring. The person in front of us lost a lot of weight and Nana recognized her and looked them in the eye and said “that was all you” and congratulated them. Then my wife gave her a friendship bracelet and she wore it all day including during the DS9 panel. We were waiting for Nana to join the podcast and it did not disappoint. Nana is just the best.
Chris Ginac
2024-04-28 02:20:04 +0000 UTCKlingons have purple blood. We see that in Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country.
Christopher Collins
2024-04-27 02:59:05 +0000 UTCI originally saw this episode at 2 or 3 years old and did not comprehend the significance of this episode or what was being discussed because it was a heavy dialogue driven episode and as a kid this is an episode I did not really enjoy much because it was not action driven but dialogue driven. I can tell you I did not find this episode traumatizing due to not understanding what bad things had happened.
Christopher Collins
2024-04-27 02:41:33 +0000 UTCI chuckled a little at the Duet vs Jetrel comment. Robbie you actually HATED that episode during the re-watch, although it was season 1, so you weren’t giving rating yet. Duet the winner for sure! (And your Voyager 10 rating was on another Ethan episode, Mortal Coil).
Josh Maibor
2024-04-25 23:22:13 +0000 UTCI always remember this as a good episode, but forget just HOW good it is! ❤️
Anthony Milana
2024-04-24 21:07:02 +0000 UTCArmin said an eventual episode would be getting a 10 from him and my guess is that Far Beyond The Stars will be that episode.
Ja Dav
2024-04-23 06:42:02 +0000 UTCHow great to have Nana on at the same time as Armin. If we could have had Terry it would have been phenomenal. Quibbling over how many stab wounds the guy gets is ridiculous, the point is that he is dead. Additionally, Odo did NOT request the medical file. He only did a search to find out if anyone had requested info on Kira. Odo then went to Bashir as RDM wanted him to and asked Bashir to request the medical files. So one of the big complaints about the ep is unfounded. RDM says that 5 is the average score, not true. 5 is the mid score of a 1 to 10 system. The average score would be far higher than 5 as little to no shows are rated below 5. As I have advocated at least twice before, the 1 to 10 rating system is meaningless. A far better system would be 1 to 5 where: 5 - Fantastic, Top 10% of episodes 4 - Above average, Top 30% of episodes 3 - Average 2 - Below Average, Bottom 30% of episodes 1 - From In living Color's "Men on Star Trek" "Hated it!!!" You could even do a plus or minus (example 4.5) thrown in if needed.
ST Fan CB
2024-04-22 21:39:09 +0000 UTCWith little doubt, Duet is my favorite episode of Season One foresure, and VERY high on the list for the series as a whole. Nana and Harris' performances really make this episode so meaningful, emotional, and outstanding. It's a hard episode to top.
Ryan Wagner
2024-04-21 04:43:31 +0000 UTCGreat podcast about a great episode! HUGE call-out to Rebecca McNeil for the super editing job. I especially enjoyed the way individuals got "close-ups" when they spoke about important points. Keep up the great job! And PLEASE bring back Nana and invites others to the sandbox! I would especially love to hear from people like Cirroc Lofton, Andrew Robinson, and Max Grodenchik.
Russell Burbage
2024-04-21 01:33:11 +0000 UTCTrue, but I think his 8.9 still puts Duet pretty high among all Trek episodes he has rated. Garrett doesn't usually stretch his range to the extremes. I think he's only gone under 5 a handful of times as well. I'm really tempted to make a spreadsheet.
Jeremy Taylor
2024-04-20 20:03:32 +0000 UTCGoing in to phase 2 of the TDF I was really hoping they'd be able to bring certain people in for certain episodes and this was the first on my list and they nailed it. Not holding my breath but still keeping my fingers crossed they can talk Avery Brooks to come in for Far Beyond the Stars.
MG
2024-04-20 18:14:41 +0000 UTCI was going to say, I distinctly remember Robbie panning Jetrel. He picked it to pieces. Plus, they weren't even doing ratings in that season.
MG
2024-04-20 18:07:14 +0000 UTCGarrett gave Duet less than a 9....im gonna keep a close eye on his scores from now on!
James
2024-04-19 20:30:47 +0000 UTCBut otherwise, a fantastic episode and companion podcast! I always enjoy hearing from our regular cast as well as special guests.
Heather Kim
2024-04-19 03:35:00 +0000 UTCOnce again, there is some deleted scene on the broadcast (H&I) version here in the States. The "survivors of Galetep" were never mentioned in the version that I watched. 😞
Heather Kim
2024-04-19 03:31:51 +0000 UTCI'll admit I was nervous coming in to the podcast this week. This episode might only be in season 1 but for me it's in the Top 5 of the entire show, so I hoped (but wasn't sure if) Robbie and Garrett would appreciate it for the masterpiece that it is. But clearly I had no reason to worry! Because boy did this episode absolutely deliver!! You delved into every single aspect in such detail, from the wonderful writing, to the masterful acting, and even insights into James Conway's directing, as well as the importance of the themes and context that makes this episode so impactful AND with the incredible Nana Visitor joining you as well. It was an absolute thrill to listen to you all! My only shock was that no one scored it 10/10 (and that Robbie forgot how much he disliked Jetrel, hope someone reminds him and he tells Nana that Duet absolutely wins hahaha)
Ria
2024-04-18 12:41:04 +0000 UTCexcellent review
Donna S Runyon
2024-04-18 00:43:51 +0000 UTCGreat episode! Also worth saying well done to Rebecca for editing this 3 hour marathon! 🙌
Jonathan Brooks
2024-04-17 20:48:38 +0000 UTCAnother wonderful episode, thanks so much for putting this together! Also, as someone who works in New Haven glad to hear the mention of Long Wharf Theater by Armin.
Utopia Science Fiction
2024-04-17 19:11:33 +0000 UTCI have considered it unfair when we label actors as dramatic or over emotional in “real life”; their career requires that they access their emotions at a moments notice. They’re not robots that can switch that off the moment they’re off the set.
Mars
2024-04-17 16:59:00 +0000 UTCNow that you've mentioned it, I was very surprised that neither Robbie, Garrett, Armin and Nana didn't mention Robert Shaw's "The Man in the Glass Booth" and Leonard Nimoy portraying the central character in Robert Shaw's play. That fun fact would've made a very fascinating part of the discussion!
Nicole Brettell
2024-04-17 16:34:11 +0000 UTCSo glad to hear Nana's input here, thank you!
Heather Irwin
2024-04-17 05:05:33 +0000 UTCFantastic having Nana with you! Please invite her back with Terry! Great episode of Delta Flyers!
ChrisB
2024-04-17 02:13:42 +0000 UTCIt's interesting to hear the comments near the end about children asking questions. I was... 6? when this originally aired, and definitely watched it. I also had an awareness of the Holocaust from a young age through war movies and documentaries on tv. I understood as I got older and the show continued the metaphors between the Cardassian Occupation and the Holocaust. I think shows like Star Trek were designed to be family friendly and spark important conversations. There is a lot of importance to understanding genocide.
Jen B
2024-04-17 02:12:08 +0000 UTCI just finished this episode and I feel so enlightened by hearing Nana Visitor speak for 2+ hours. Now I’m off to see if she has her own podcast, book, anything. Whatever she is selling, I am buying!!
Vicky Thompson
2024-04-16 22:47:26 +0000 UTCWatching here and at 51 minute mark exactly, it freezes. Done it about 7 times now and it keeps freezing there. Nevermind now it seems to have cleared.
Chrissy Kannenberg
2024-04-16 20:42:14 +0000 UTCRobbie didn't give Jetrel a 10. The Neelix episode he actually gave a 10 was "Mortal Coil" where Neelix dies and is brought back to life. Neelix begins to question his faith as he failed to experience an afterlife while "dead".
ryeiverr
2024-04-16 19:18:28 +0000 UTCDuet probably felt like a play because it is based on a play called "The Man in the Glass Booth" by Robert Shaw. One really fun fact is that Leonard Nimoy played the character on whom Marritza is based in that play.
Basic Wizard
2024-04-16 16:05:39 +0000 UTCDuet is one of my all time favorite episodes from DS9. This has one of my favorite episodes of The Delta Flyers. Thanks so much.
Chris Knapp
2024-04-16 08:22:09 +0000 UTC#JusticeForRobbie !!
Garrett
2024-04-16 00:24:21 +0000 UTCDuet is one of my favorite episodes of season one. Such superb storytelling. Thank you Delta Flyers for the layered insight into this episode!
Vicky Thompson
2024-04-16 00:23:53 +0000 UTCA great episode of the series and the podcast. However, one correction.... Robbie didn't even come close to giving Jetrel a ten! In fact, it was one of his least favourite episodes of the first season and he was critical of the writing and particularly the direction. #JusticeForRobbie
Richard Stone
2024-04-16 00:11:42 +0000 UTCBrilliant video. Amazing episode! Enjoyed every moment! Thank all of you so much!!
Michael Hatcher
2024-04-16 00:05:58 +0000 UTCThe parallels that Star Trek delves into with the horror of concentration camps in WW2 is amazing. Their was an actual German accountant in Auschwitz that was documented in a film called "The Accountant of Auschwitz" that is explained in the United Nations website https://unric.org/en/the-accountant-of-auschwitz/ Very fascinating and horrific.
GAY Kleven-Lundstrom
2024-04-15 23:54:45 +0000 UTCYou guys have matched one of the best Star Trek episodes with one of the best Delta Flyers episodes. It's wonderful that Nana Visitor was able to join you, and all four of you shared great insight and perspective on serious subject matter. With the original Delta Flyers, you gave us a worthy companion piece to Voyager, and everyone involved with Journey Through The Wormhole is doing a great job building it into a worthy companion to DS9. I'm "tenning" Deep Space Nine 'Duet' and The Delta Flyers 'Duet'. Great job, guys.
Jeremy Taylor
2024-04-15 23:37:58 +0000 UTCNana's talking about total character immersion reminds me of Heath Ledger. It was said he was very much immersing himself into the character and that it drove him to his eventual death. And she even talks about how it traumatizes the actors to do that.
Chrissy Kannenberg
2024-04-15 22:14:14 +0000 UTCMan this was just GREAT!!
Karen Chuplis
2024-04-15 21:17:23 +0000 UTCThis is it. This is the episode where DS9 arrives and starts to become the show that it would end up being, incidentally my favorite Star Trek series to date. It's everything that makes Star Trek great; take a contemporary issue and explore it in 24th century terms so that you can go places that no man has gone before. It's also everything that makes DS9 great; deep character exploration and a darker tone that the other Star Trek series rarely are able to get into. It's the first of several 10/10 episodes of the series for me and I'm really glad we got to hear Nana's perspective on it.
Jeremy Sessions
2024-04-15 21:01:03 +0000 UTCon the blood matter. It was completely inconsistent across all the series and films. I've seen vulcans with green and red blood. I've also see cardassians with red blood too
Jonathan Beresford
2024-04-15 20:21:08 +0000 UTCWhat an absolute treat to see Nana!! This is rightfully considered one of the best episodes of Star Trek and I was so happy to be able to hear Nana speak on it. Thank you Delta Flyers! So glad I subscribed to this podcast for the DS9 rewatch. The insider insights, especially from Armin, have been great so far and we're only on season one!!
FG (Kira's High Waisted Uniform Enthusiast)
2024-04-15 15:47:03 +0000 UTCI absolutely loved this podcast! I thought including Nana Visitor in tonight's podcast was perfect! “Duet” really made me see the many emotional facets of Major Kira, a character I wanted to be frienemies with, and got to really see what really drives her which is the desire for justice for the oppression her people endured. I had watched “Duet” only once, and I still remember most of the scenes by heart - it was that impactful. I felt that Major Kira had the best lines in this episode (“Nothing justifies genocide” being one of my favorite lines in the DS9 series.) I also loved listening to Nana Visitor talk about how emotionally exploratory her role was and that in this episode, her role as Major Kira introduced her to the acting concept of portraying a lead character who learns she is wrong about someone. While listening to the scene Kira's monologue about the dark and horrifying legacy of the Gallitep labor camp, I was shocked to realize that the brutality Kira was describing was exactly reminiscent to what happened in the Holocaust concentration camps. One can imagine the shocking and tragic picture Kira painted with her words and hear the powerful depth of pain in her voice and soul. I remembered Armin Shimerman mention having lost some of his relatives to the Holocaust during an interview on "The Shuttlepod Show" and upon hearing him tell his family's history again, I could, in a way, feel and understand the distant but ever-present pain of losing people you have never really met. I felt and continue to feel a great sense of sadness and respect for those who have had loved ones who either survived or died in this horrifying tragedy during WWII. I though Harris Yulin's portrayal as Marritza was dynamic and incredible. You see Marritza pretending to be Gul Dharhe'el, "The Butcher of Gallitep" and then you see him sobbing as he remembers the horrifying events that took place in Gallitep - and it was there you get to see who Marritza really was - a man who is haunted by guilt over his cowardice and wants to sets things right for everyone; and that not all Cardassians were cold-hearted torturers and murderers - there were some Cardassians who didn't approve the Cardassian occupation of Bajor, but couldn't speak up for fear of being caught and killed. The ending still shocks and impacts me to this day as Kira confirms to herself and others that hating a Cardassian because he is a Cardassian is never a reason enough. I remember the only other mention of Gallitep in “Star Trek” was in the DS9 Novel, “The 34th Rule” by David R. George and Armin Shimerman (though it was mostly, if entirely written by David R. George). For those who haven’t read “The 34th Rule”, Quark and his brother Rom were subjected to emotional, verbal (and eventually physical harassment) after a dispute between Bjaor and Ferenginar goes sour and they (along with other Ferengi) are arrested and sent to Gallitep under the control of a sadistic and insane Bajoran Colonel. It’s an extremely intense book that’s not for the faint of heart, but it’s a great read full of important social themes and has a real cinematic feel to it. The long and short of it, "Duet" was one of the best DS9 episodes I have ever seen and it continues to haunt and fascinate me to this day. A "9.7" rating for me, at that.
Nicole Brettell
2024-04-15 14:55:58 +0000 UTCThe first of the truly extraordinary DS9 episodes.
peter
2024-04-15 14:23:46 +0000 UTCThe dance for two is a pas de deux but tango was more apt.
J
2024-04-15 08:48:40 +0000 UTCI have been looking forward to this episode since the rewatch started. This is such an incredible human story. Not just trek but a wonderful analysis of the human experience. I defer to this episode if I am ever questioned why DS9 is the TOPS.
John Overbey
2024-04-15 08:34:47 +0000 UTCI cried my way though this amazing podcast, as I did through this amazing episode. So great to see Nana Visitor! ❤️
Jan Hanford
2024-04-15 08:02:42 +0000 UTCHaven't watched it yet but this is the episode I have been waiting for since the beginning of The Delta Flyers rewatch of DS9. Anything but a 10/10 all around is an insult. One of the best episodes of Star Trek, nay, TV, ever ❤️ But I swear, if Garrett says "Interwebs" one more time...
Bigiorne
2024-04-15 05:06:45 +0000 UTCOMG!! Nana!!!
Jeffra
2024-04-15 05:00:54 +0000 UTCDelighted to see Nana Visitor joining in for this one! The intelligent writing and emotionally moving performances make Duet one of my favorite DS9 episodes.
Trevor Yan
2024-04-15 04:32:55 +0000 UTCOmg it's 3 hours?! You're too good to us 🥲
Wrestling With Gaming
2024-04-15 04:02:46 +0000 UTCYay!
Peggy
2024-04-15 04:00:28 +0000 UTC
