The Delta Flyers - Flesh and Blood 709&710 Video
Added 2023-04-24 04:01:00 +0000 UTCThe Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Flesh and Blood. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.
Flesh and Blood:
The Hirogen species sends Voyager a distress call when their holographic prey become too cunning and cannot be defeated.
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Comments
100% agree with Garrett and Robbie that AI is progressing at an alarming rate.
Dee McGee
2024-03-13 15:42:35 +0000 UTCWhen I think about no punishment for the Doctor, I envision the Madeline Kahn GIF from Clue: ‘it’s …it…it…the..it ..f-flames…flames…flames…’. In short, I’m incensed. Intentions be damned, he put everyone in danger. The ONLY mitigation was that he showed great remorse. Whereas Tom had a defiant attitude when confronted by the Captain. Of course the Doc had time to understand the error of his ways. Tom, to this day, I think believes getting involved was the right decision. I think Tom won’t do it again because he won’t risk his position on the ship again. I don’t know if the Doc was humbled enough to not repeat his mistakes. And that’s the real issue - why I think some longer term consequence was warranted. I would have removed his Emergency Command Protocols until he attended online command courses. Setting that aside, it was a good episode. I like the morality questions raised. To me, self-aware, able to learn and improve itself, a basis of ethics that are consistent with the standards of their creators and sufficient complexity/memory are required to declare a hologram a separate sentient entity with personal privileges. AIs are no where near that today. Still Skynet could happen. Torpedoes: if they can retrofit the nacelles, they have sufficient technology to build as many torpedoes as needed. Good podcast.
SnazzyO
2024-01-08 23:42:19 +0000 UTCTalking about AI taking over, I asked chatgpt to create a 2 page script for a voyager episode. It was pretty good. 😧
Andre Lima
2023-05-20 04:57:09 +0000 UTCOne problem with this episode is that once again the writers were out of ideas and just went back and pulled in an old enemy and reused the whole hologram rights idea which was run into the ground during Voyager. The main problem with this plot in bringing back an old foe from 3 seasons ago is that there is no way that the Hirogen could possibly be there. Since the last time Voyager encountered the Hirogen in "The Killing Game Parts I and II" they had 4 separate massive jumps in space towards the Alpha Quadrant. These massive jumps took them roughly 35 years closer to home and away from Hirogen space. Now I understand they are a far flung race but there is no f'n way in hell that they beat Voyager to this location and built a space station. So how in the hell did they get there? Redonkulous. Ok, can we just get over the whole "we only had so many torpedoes and used them up by now" discussion? Obviously the crew figured out some way to build photon torpedoes and replenish stocks a long time ago just like they have had to do everything else themselves. Suspend disbelief and move on. So Garrett, just because we were only shown 8 Hirogen beaming down in the one clip does not mean that more were beamed down before or after that group. If I have to hear RDM say AI one more time I am going to have a conniption.
ST Fan CB
2023-05-12 22:38:29 +0000 UTCWould he do that? YEP! He's A.I.
Eddie Ordaz
2023-05-02 19:12:30 +0000 UTCIt was! Performed by Johnny Cash, written by June Carter Cash. Silly Robbie!
Mary Burch
2023-04-29 19:53:21 +0000 UTCAnd now that ⬆️ has been an earworm for me for last 3 days.
Adina Ringler
2023-04-29 00:52:52 +0000 UTCI thought ring of fire was Johnny Cash...
Tashicat
2023-04-25 07:48:13 +0000 UTCYes if you discount the pilot Caretaker and the finale yet to come at this point.
David Turner
2023-04-24 21:23:48 +0000 UTCI've always liked this episode. This is the 2nd time the Dr has almost left Voyager. Considering he doesn't really seem to have a bad life there he certainly jumps on every chance to leave that he is given.
Stephanie
2023-04-24 17:33:57 +0000 UTCMy solution is load the holograms into a few of those holocube things (like the follow-on from "Elementary, dear Data" where Picard tricks Moriarty into thinking he's left the holodeck, but in this case, the holograms KNOW they are in a simulation that's ongoing, forever.
Andrew Murray
2023-04-24 09:47:47 +0000 UTCIden had the one-track mind of 'assimilating' all holograms into his own "collective" whether or not they were sentient, self-aware or whatever you want to call it. I'm sure Iden would have liked Moriarty.....whose mission (albeit accidentally) was to defeat Data, another sentient but artificial lifeform rather than Holmes. Was this before or after the Doctor's "Photons be Free" holonovel becomes popular with the Mark I EMH's in the alpha quadrant who were relegated to the spice mines of Kessell (or wherever....)
Andrew Murray
2023-04-24 08:56:45 +0000 UTCapparently theres an unwritten rule for Voyager - unlimited shuttlepods and torpedos. They go through more than Torres or her team could ever hope to supply more of at short notice.
Andrew Murray
2023-04-24 08:39:42 +0000 UTCholograms programming holograms. How perverse (as Threeiop would say).
Andrew Murray
2023-04-24 07:51:28 +0000 UTCThe scanner Garrett mentions was in Alien (1979), but it was for detecting the Alien by measuring the air density or something not literally a "life form" scanner as such.
Andrew Murray
2023-04-24 07:22:02 +0000 UTCThe way the bridge was blowing up it looks like it used every pyrotechnic effect the FX guys could get their hands on that day.
Andrew Murray
2023-04-24 07:03:25 +0000 UTCIMBD trivia explains this episode: The episode was run as feature-length for its premiere airing but then split into two-parter for syndication re-runs.
Andrew Murray
2023-04-24 06:57:17 +0000 UTCIMBD has this as S7.E9 yet something like Future's End was definitely done as Part 1 and Part 2. Flesh and Blood Directors were Allan Kroeker and Michael Vejar.
Andrew Murray
2023-04-24 06:53:55 +0000 UTCThis was their second "two hour movie event", after Dark Frontier, which also aired as one production.
Ja Dav
2023-04-24 04:16:21 +0000 UTC
