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Added 2023-08-10 13:55:32 +0000 UTCBuffy the Vampire Slayer 4x20:
Uncut: https://thenormies.com/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-premium/ (p. 9)
Edited reaction: https://youtu.be/zesRypcahyw
Angel 1x20:
Uncut: https://thenormies.com/angel-uncut-only/
Young Justice 2x4:
Uncut: https://thenormies.com/young-justice-premium/ (p. 4)
Edited reaction: https://youtu.be/n2IAaNmKc30
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Nope, Buffy was in the wrong here. She had every right to be upset, but Angel had every right to set boundaries, which is what he did. And Rana and Suraj acknowledged as much
BetheSOUL
2023-08-18 11:05:16 +0000 UTCFor some reason it seems like insecurity and low self esteem are the absolute worst toxic traits a man could ever have and always unforgivable. Even actual psychopathy doesn't seem to drop a man so deep into trash tier and, hey, it makes you super confident, so it's actually a positive trait I guess.
Pajander
2023-08-17 16:00:22 +0000 UTCit was this season joss really stepped up with the subtle foreshadowing, I think he had at least a basic outline for the rest at this point he kinda knew he'd get at the very least 5, and probably 7
Macs
2023-08-13 13:30:35 +0000 UTCI like Riley I do but he is very reactionary mostly but I like it because it makes sense he is being introduced to this world for real not through the lens of his training, he is finally seeing it for real and it fu*ks with him hard, he is such a solid nice dependable resourceful etc, kinda guy but he is thrown into things he just can't quite process, its a very good performance especially considering what comes next and I always like it, he has a good heart. But he does over react to things he barely understands a lot
Macs
2023-08-13 13:27:07 +0000 UTC@Laura_Ali Riley's response is logical in the episode. Buffy withheld information about Angel and it was Xander who explained to him Angel turned evil when he was intimate with Buffy. Riley has no idea what Angel's actions are when he's evil and catches Angel attacking his fellow soldiers while Angel continually acts shifty in their interaction. In his mind, Riley believes he's fighting an evil being. There's a lot of things Riley doesn't know about and his assumption is logical with the limited information he's given. The audience is judging Riley from information they have but Riley doesn't.
Chaos T
2023-08-13 07:40:41 +0000 UTCTVD was never "GOATED". I too thought this post was sarcasm but you're actually serious.
Chaos T
2023-08-13 07:33:40 +0000 UTCI agree 100% lol
Marcb92
2023-08-12 17:51:42 +0000 UTCPat stanning for the Light would be great
Daniel R
2023-08-12 17:30:43 +0000 UTCmaybe for the first 4 seasons
Daniel R
2023-08-12 17:04:07 +0000 UTCI was trying to be spoiler free and let them figure it out on their own but yes. Mainly D'Hoffryn, they haven't really gotten to him yet...
Macs
2023-08-12 13:59:33 +0000 UTCthe showrunners knew it might be the last time for a while they could do that so yes it was a little forced, but it was also "this is the last chance to get them together" both are gearing up for their finales if we are going to do this it has to be now, since of course Angel was moving to another network at this point iirc.
Macs
2023-08-12 13:48:58 +0000 UTCcompletely agree
Macs
2023-08-12 10:54:18 +0000 UTCangel always reverts to child like behavior when buffy is involved even much later in his show along with another character who we won't mention yet.
Macs
2023-08-12 10:44:53 +0000 UTCI think they do they just like angel more
Macs
2023-08-12 10:32:30 +0000 UTCseason 2, I think you might be forgetting the sh*t that goes down s2, also hyperion
Macs
2023-08-12 10:25:57 +0000 UTCmy headcanon says more then real evidence ever could, I wish marketa didn't hate Angel
Macs
2023-08-12 10:20:16 +0000 UTCYeah, it's the episode when Willow tries to make a spell that goes awry (Xander-demon-magnet, Buffy/Spike getting married, Amy getting de-rattified etc). The demon D'Hoffryn was the one that made Anya into a vengeance demon 1000 years ago. He also appeared briefly earlier in the Doppelgäng episode with two Willows when Anya was pleading to get her powers back. He offered Willow a demon job but she declined and got the business card (talisman) instead... The face pulling off was Buffy's roomate who was a Céline Dion/Cher fan...and a demon from another dimension.
Jontor11
2023-08-11 22:33:45 +0000 UTCThere are definite issues about how the creators treat this character but this isn't one of them
Calvin Allen
2023-08-11 20:53:46 +0000 UTCI’ve got the impression that Suraj and, to a certain degree, Rana, don’t like Buffy very much based on their gleeful reaction to Angel being a dick to her.
Vicky N
2023-08-11 19:43:21 +0000 UTCSo I really love this episode for the Roy storyline, and seeing Wally and Artemis again. Seeing Wally and Artemis basically having their little happy ending five years after season 1 makes me so happy. I love how the show slowly unveils where everyone is and how different everything is after five years. Dick is now the leader of the team and has become Nightwing, Conner and M'gann broke up, and M'gann is going through her dark phase, Roy has become obsessive in his search for his *real* self and may be struggling with addiction and also married and had a kid with Cheshire, Kaldur found out Black Manta is his dad and is now on his side, Zatanna and Rocket joined the Justice League... and Wally and Artemis retired and are going to college together. But speaking on the Roy Harper stuff from a comic perspective. In the comics, Roy Harper goes through a heroine addiction, and his reaction to Speedy and his search for him five years later is a clear reference to Roy in the comics having a heroine addiction. I would say most likely in the show he has that right now, but the show is not allowed to say it while it is still on Cartoon Network. And Roy and Cheshire having a daughter is straight up a thing from the comics. Everyone was hyped for she showed up and that the show would be adapting that part of Roy Harper's story from the comics.
Riley Wigmore
2023-08-11 18:17:34 +0000 UTCSeason 5 of Angel is better imo (and the best season in all the Buffyverse) but Season 2 of Angel is very very good as well.
Shockzz1234
2023-08-11 16:19:24 +0000 UTCI think the dog’s name is actually “Brucely”, like in the vein of Bruce Wayne lol.
cosmotron
2023-08-11 16:16:42 +0000 UTCWhere did you get that from? I think that's just a silly assumption on your part.
Chris Peterson
2023-08-11 14:01:48 +0000 UTCRiley jumped on the 'Buffy must've fucked Angel' train before he ran into Angel. He assumed it from the second Xander mentioned it.
Laura_Ali
2023-08-11 12:47:25 +0000 UTCIt’s not that big of a deal. You act like they wrote his whole character after black stereotypes and gun violence.🫤
Jayla
2023-08-11 12:42:37 +0000 UTCmickey is mixing up two buffy episodes, one was early on with buffys roommate who annoyed the hell out of her and was sucking her soul to hid from her dad. The business card is when willow goes on an accidental vengeance spell and is offered to become a vengence demon by the king of vengence demons
Macs
2023-08-11 12:00:15 +0000 UTCI wouldn't call him a main character, he's only been in this one episode. Unless of course you're spoiling future episodes. But you wouldn't do that, right?
Chris Peterson
2023-08-11 10:46:07 +0000 UTCThe first main cast member who’s black and his name is “Gunn” Like I like the character and actor for the show but it just disappoints in a lot of ways as representation
space colon
2023-08-11 08:42:37 +0000 UTCI do not get the Riley hate, I really don't. Angel has done much worse to Buffy even with his soul but Riley is awful? Please. Every character has moments when they are insecure and struggle with it but only Riley is dragged through the coals over it. Much of the fandom's reason? He's boring *rolls eyes*
TheyCallMeJeff
2023-08-11 08:37:55 +0000 UTCI've never heard of a writers strike in 2000.
Pajander
2023-08-11 07:45:48 +0000 UTCFor the Sunday Rundown New Crew Young Justice 2x4 So a lot happened this episode of Young Justice Kid Flash and Artemis left the Hero gig behind? Red Arrow looks disheveled as fuck and later find out he had a baby with jade in the 5 year time skip. and Superboy and Blue Beetle go on a mission that ends badly. FYI Walley and Artemis's dog is named Bruce Lee. This episode really tugged on emotions going from high to low but ending on a high note and what it does really well is setting up future episodes. but the next 3 episodes are all bangers
BradBoimler
2023-08-11 05:31:54 +0000 UTCbuffy gave them a chance to state their case so its on them not her. "you say you want to help. how can you help" dead silence and the look of "durrrrrrrrrr" cause they are just being whiny illogical children "i want to belong to the group too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" ugh. they clearly had no valid points for wanting to be there in the fight so they said nothing. stick to the witchcraft and tech so you can actually find a way to defeat adam, THATS how you can help will. and xander? state out of the way so im not concerned about you which will let my guard down getting us both killed. its really not that deep
rickie woodson
2023-08-11 03:29:59 +0000 UTCjoss writes for both shows but he doesnt write every episode........plus angel has shown in the entire first season of angel that he is stubborn and full of machismo. very in character to me especially when you throw in the emotional factor of riley being buffy's current.....
rickie woodson
2023-08-11 03:18:17 +0000 UTCTVD is GOATED
D.j. Lachmandas
2023-08-11 03:14:28 +0000 UTCOne of the lamest shows of all time lol you can’t be serious
Blake
2023-08-11 02:47:53 +0000 UTCAngel was very upset with how the conversation ended between him and Buffy. It was a bad fight and I do believe it would have bothered him to leave things as is. Buffy felt the same because she was pretty mopey when she got home. Angel going in person to apologize made sense to me. The fight with Riley was kind of forced though. JMO.
Alison
2023-08-11 02:47:18 +0000 UTCWooo Buffy Thursday!!!! a fun week for one of my fav episodes of the season the yoko factor, everyone fights and but then is the catylist for the finale , we're almost at the 5th season wooo, its been a fun ride. and woo for Angel, the introduction to Gunn... woo.
Ricardo Obregon
2023-08-11 00:37:55 +0000 UTCNavi is taking notes and overall they're doing a pretty good job remembering everything
Calvin Allen
2023-08-11 00:25:21 +0000 UTCNavi takes some every now and then, but signs point to no for the most part :D
Com1xguy
2023-08-11 00:25:11 +0000 UTCWill they ever take notes for Young Justice?
Noah Burke
2023-08-11 00:20:07 +0000 UTCFinally, a reasonable take on the episode. I really don't get all the judgement and hate that Riley gets from a lot of these people. *gasp* You mean to say that Riley didn't react absolutely perfectly in an intense and somewhat confusing situation? For shame! He's clearly a piece of shit misogynistic borderline abusive loser. Buffy should dump him immediately! /s
Chris Peterson
2023-08-10 23:57:39 +0000 UTCYeah this season took place during the writers strike so I guess they were like “what’s something we can do to spice up a few scenes every episode… Angel shows up because reasons and fights Riley”
space colon
2023-08-10 23:46:55 +0000 UTCThe First half of season 2, Blake, it falls off after an iconic moment
Calvin Allen
2023-08-10 23:46:43 +0000 UTCTo me, it's one of weirdest Angel moments and undercuts the growth/progression in Angel's series. Whedon seemed to be writing conflict for conflict sake and given the clunky writing, Riley's actions were boneheaded but understandable in this episode.
Chaos T
2023-08-10 23:36:58 +0000 UTC^ that generally seems to be the reasoning for a lot of people. Much of the Riley dislike comes from people knowing the complete arc of his character and there's bias. Bisibia, I agree with your assessment and find most of Riley's actions this season reasonable given what he went through this season. He is a knob in this episode but his actions were somewhat justifiable due to the limited information he had. There's also underlying PTSD issues Riley is experiencing. While I don't believe Whedon did the best job writing someone in the military suffering from PTSD, those issues are there with Riley's character. Loss of duty, breakdown and lost trust in a system he signed up to die for, watching his friends die, etc. are problems his character is struggling with.
Chaos T
2023-08-10 22:19:10 +0000 UTCStrongly agree with Suraj and Mickey, I think most fans feel Angel showing up and behaving how he did with Buffy is strongly out of character (They even joke in the episode that there was no reason for him to show up, just a Riley/Angel fight)
space colon
2023-08-10 22:18:09 +0000 UTCThere was a moment in episode 4 of Buffy where the fear demon says "they're all going to abandon you, you know". Kinda fits the end of this episode.
Tim Pierce
2023-08-10 22:08:08 +0000 UTCYeah I get it.
Brandon Gibbs
2023-08-10 21:35:34 +0000 UTCIts because screw Riley Angel is our boy
Daniel Gonzalez
2023-08-10 21:30:17 +0000 UTCHe said don't eliminate theories you saying it was not Deathstroke means if they theorized it was him that would definitely be eliminating a theory and not just a hint
Daniel Gonzalez
2023-08-10 21:29:11 +0000 UTCIt was just a hint but yeah I know.
Brandon Gibbs
2023-08-10 21:13:05 +0000 UTCDon't eliminate theories for them. Let them figure out who it is or isn't on their own.
Jordan Malloy
2023-08-10 21:05:23 +0000 UTCSo I'm gonna just defend Riley a tiny bit because the comments seem to be aggressively against him and are omitting certain things... I do think Riley was being a bit of a knob in general, BUT, I do think it's important to acknowledge that the reason he though Buffy slept with Angel was because he believed Angel was evil again due to him attacking 'his men'... and he only knew of one way for Angel to go evil. It's not like he just pulled it out of his ass and started assuming the worst... he took the minimal info provided to him and put 2 and 2 together. Also... everyone is insecure sometimes and I'm not sure why this particular fandom is sooo unforgiving when it comes to insecurity. We support so many character flaws, and so many mental issues, that you'd think we'd be a bit more understanding when someone is struggling with something like this. It's not a great trait, but I think most of us should be able to relate, understand, and forgive.
Bisibia
2023-08-10 20:25:35 +0000 UTCSeason 2 of Angel is one of the best seasons of the Buffyverse in general
Bisibia
2023-08-10 20:19:26 +0000 UTCTo defend Riley slightly... he was given very general info about Angel and the curse, with none of the nuance covered, so seeing Angel kick his buddies' asses from his POV def seemed kinda sus, like he was evil, and since he thinks the only way for Angel to go evil is to sleep with Buffy... it does make sense.
Bisibia
2023-08-10 20:17:39 +0000 UTCIt's so funny how every other person I've seen react to this episode was all like "Riley is so jealous and it's totally uncalled for!" but the Normies are like "Damn Angel is an asshole". I actually don't mind that they reacted differently cause I do think Riley gets too much crap from the fandom, but they really seem to just hate the idea of Buffy and Angel bothering each other on their show lol
Bisibia
2023-08-10 20:15:26 +0000 UTCPretty crazy how Wally & Artemis have quit the superhero gig and Red Arrow is just a mess over the fact that he's a clone and the real thing was still never found. Also Superboy has really learned how to be an investigative superhero and Blue Beetle has finally explained his scarab on his back and how it's like a bad Jiminy Cricket. Furthermore the mysterious enemy/partner is someone who's probably even worse than Deathstroke.
Brandon Gibbs
2023-08-10 20:14:43 +0000 UTCI don't know why there's a problem either. Marketa has never said she hated Angel.
Chaos T
2023-08-10 19:56:47 +0000 UTCAnother Sunday Rundown comment, this time for Young Justice! This is a great episode. I really like how it manages to make you feel sad for the golem that was created. It's words about how it "just wanted to be still" are somehow really tragic. This is also a great episode for both Jaime (Blue Beetle) and Superboy. We see how far Superboy has come. Not only in how well he handles his anger, but how knowledgeable he is, even kinda wise. And Jaime, while inexperienced, is clearly someone who has a lot of compassion and a deep desire to help others. In contrast we see how poorly Red Arrow is doing. His loved ones are trying, but there's only so much they can do if he refuses their help. The reveal about Guardian also being a Roy Harper clone was also foreshadowed in the first season. For one thing, when he first takes off his helmet, Superboy says he "looks just like" Red Arrow. At the end of the season when The Light is collecting the original Roy you see Guardian standing there staring blankly, clearly under their control (likely with a trigger phrase like both Red Arrow and Superboy had). As for why Kid Flash and Artemis are no longer on the team, I think that the death of Aqua Girl while on a mission for the team probably made them rethink being a hero. Anyway, great episode, and I can't wait for you guys to see more!
cosmotron
2023-08-10 19:54:59 +0000 UTC100% correct on all counts
cosmotron
2023-08-10 19:30:12 +0000 UTCSince he missed it, is Chris posting a separate reaction to the Buffy season 4 finale? It’s strange, it’s not like anything you ever reacted to before…
Courtney Scott
2023-08-10 19:08:36 +0000 UTCI'm really surprised you guys sided with Riley when Buffy was like "Have I given you any reason not to trust me?" No, she really hasn't - your partner should be allowed to be autonomous without you policing things; Buffy has every right to go to LA after Faith and every right to talk to Angel out of Riley's hearing range without it being "break up worthy" as Marketa said (I was super surprised by that, not your typical Ketty take 🥰 I was expecting more of a 'calm down Riley' from her). The fact that Riley would imply something shady happened in LA, when he and we know how moral Buffy is, is actually pretty insulting. I like Riley and he's allowed to feel his feelings but he can be sooo reactive and insecure ... If I were Buffy, I would be pretty hurt that my partner didn't trust me and jumped immediately to an accusation of cheating. The "I love you so much I can't think straight" is a copout imo and doesn't wash... That's not the reason honey boy, it's a pretty clear inferiority complex. He showed it when he found out Buffy was the slayer and he's showing it again now with the Buffy conversation and by picking a fight with Angel. Both Riley and Angel were in the wrong for the fight. Pulling a stake on Angel, though, was an unnecessary escalation. It's the equivalent to Angel aiming a gun at Riley - it's a kill shot move. There's no reason for Angel to have ANY kind thoughts towards Riley after that happens, of COURSE Angel is super salty and petty. This episode was my first hmmm moment where I felt Riley may not be a great partner for Buffy. I get why he felt the way he did, but I really didn't like how he handled those feelings. If it had just been the antagonism towards Angel nbd, but I'm not a fan of the unjustified lack of respect or trust towards Buffy.
bits
2023-08-10 18:54:16 +0000 UTCI love season 2 as well.
Alison
2023-08-10 18:47:40 +0000 UTCA dope fiend* not a crackhead lol crack and heroin are two different things. Both terrible, but different
flexluthor
2023-08-10 18:09:29 +0000 UTCFor the #Sunday Rundown (though as I understand, it there won't be one for 2-3 weeks) I can partly understand why the gang seemed to think it felt a little forced that Angel came back and the brief interraction in the episode. The reason back then the crossovers happened this way was in large part hype and marketing, very true. They needed to sell the Angel spin-off, and they did it well imo. The crossover events were often hyped up for a whole week in constant commercials starting from right after the end of the episode the previous week as a "NEXT WEEK, ON BUFFY AND ANGEL" kind of thing. And these commercials aired the entire week, which just made us legit want to absolutely not miss it. And the meeting of Riley and Angel was entirely the selling point of that following week's episode over anything else. (It was a great way to hype up this episode, and they did so without revealing anything of the narrative content of the actual story, which in my opinion was very smart. No spoilers, tons of hype!) I found the very first one beginning season 4 of Buffy on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwGvaIV5U9E I agree with Suraj, this was a long time coming, and the petty squabble/straight up rivalry and "who would win" felt amazing seeing it on the night it aired, I was beyond STOKED. (For context, I watched Buffy as it aired, and even graduated same year as Buffy, so the Buffyverse was very relatable and important to me when it was original on TV) Also, I feel that despite it being a liiiittle forced, and it feeling very fast as an interraction, I get why he came. He was right in what he said in L.A., but he felt bad about how it went down, and he wanted to at least patch things up on how it went down. But how he and Buffy act, is straight up love, not seeing straight, heart broken-ness, petty ex interractions. (remember, he actually DID end up with her, and had to give that up, so it KILLS him how things are now, and her having rubbed her nose in it over in L.A. as a petty jab) The him leaving was right. He offered to help, and she felt since it was "her town, her problems", and the tension with the group, it was best she handle it, he couldn't really help. It was perpetuating the message over on Angel. They have their own worlds now, and he respected that. He stayed on message, and once she said no it's best you go, he 100% agreed, and respected her boundaries, but he still offered to stay and help before that.
DuffMD
2023-08-10 18:01:58 +0000 UTCFor Sunday Rundown: Fun fact: in the comics speedy became a crackhead. you can see him shooting up in issue 85 of green latern (1971). his disheveled and malnutritioned form are all nods to that storyline. and his daughter Lian was featured heavily in the late 90s comic "Titans" as most of these folks were actually teen titans from the 60s-80s and not young justice members. so the adult versions got back together, dropped the teens and ran new york. best titans era (after new teen titans)! Lian is chinese for lotus flower. she is totes adorbs and her future red arrow form is BOSS
rickie woodson
2023-08-10 17:35:54 +0000 UTCThat’s cap season 2 is literally the best season of Angel
Blake
2023-08-10 17:34:43 +0000 UTCI understand not being on board with angel in this ep, it was fan service having him show up but also kinda needed. Crossovers between these shows aren't exactly done for good but they also won't be a regular thing from here on out either and I think Joss wanted to have a moment of 'its all good, you do you' to resolve things in a positive way. Also, angel was being petty and childish but Riley was being irrational and untrusting, to immediately assume Buffy would cheat is a red flag in my eyes.
ray s
2023-08-10 17:32:41 +0000 UTCMarketa's love for Riley is defying logic if she is putting any money on him in a fight with Angel lol. Angel has always been petty and immature and turns into a teenager about buffy. He just hasn't been on the buffy show in a while so it seems jarring. I don't give Riley a pass for his behavior either. He's older than buffy and showed several red flags: - he doesn't trust buffy. He just flat out assumes she went to LA and had sex with Angel. - the first thing he does when he meets angel is to get physically violent and childishly starts a fight with him. - when buffy rightly calls him out on his insecurity and her not giving him any reason not to trust her, he blames it all on 'being so in love I can't think straight' instead of taking responsibility for his behavior. unlike buffy who did take responsibility in her convo with angel. Riley is a good guy at his core and I definitely like him this season. But he's got issues just like anyone else.
mary smith
2023-08-10 17:27:19 +0000 UTCI’m shocked at this unforeseen turn of events
CWall
2023-08-10 17:06:37 +0000 UTCAs much as I like Angel as a character, the show doesn't get interesting for me till season 3. that's when he truly shakes off his buffy character and becomes his own man... at least to me Season 5 is my fave, especially his "goku and vegeta" vibe with ____
SilentCilantro
2023-08-10 16:56:24 +0000 UTCI can't tell if this is sarcasm or not XP
Lisa Lewis
2023-08-10 16:20:21 +0000 UTC#SundayRundown# Interesting idea: Could we have the Peacemaker Normies watch Young Justice? I would love to see Rana, Nikki and Pat watch this (Pat would definitely be ok with Megann turning aliens into brain dead vegetables) and have Suraj take notes or explain any confusing parts to the others. Also, it would be really interesting to have the moments where certain phrases are said or actions are taken and see Suraj noticing those moments on his second viewing. P.S. while watching this second season, it becomes more obvious that this show may have been a cartoon but it was never really geared towards children (more young adult and adult themes; explains why toy sales shouldn’t be a deciding factor for cancelling cartoon shows)
Marcb92
2023-08-10 16:19:53 +0000 UTCThere is so much more to Buffy and Angel than just their relationship. They each have their own journey. Not sure why there is a problem since they both moved on and are clearly just friends who care for one another. That’s a good thing for exes. 🤷🏾♀️
Alison
2023-08-10 16:15:48 +0000 UTCYeah lol, I was surprised they were so against him. Angel immediately got attacked by Riley, just because he was being kinda cagey with his words. Both of them were being immature, but Riley was 100% the instigator.
cosmotron
2023-08-10 16:12:06 +0000 UTCFor real, Riley's reactions are not okay. It really shows how little he trusts her.
cosmotron
2023-08-10 16:03:06 +0000 UTCThis episode of Young Justice and Roy’s condition are a slight reference to one of the most controversial moments in comic book history, when Roy was revealed to be a heroin addict. This was a very big deal when it came out (in 1971) because they hadnt really shown anything like that in comics before or tackled these kinds of issues
flexluthor
2023-08-10 15:56:33 +0000 UTCThe Marketa hating Angel sentiment is from people who have difficulty accepting some might have a lot of problems with the Buffy/Angel relationship.
Chaos T
2023-08-10 15:47:30 +0000 UTCThe end of the crossover stuff was the best thing for both series.
Chaos T
2023-08-10 15:36:32 +0000 UTCIDK if there's a Sunday Rundown this week, but if so... Riley's insecure reactions to Angel are really a turn off here. I mean, Angel's being a bit of a jerk (though let's not forget that Riley is the one who attacked him with a stake first) but Riley's reactions show a lack of trust in Buffy and it's really irritating. I'm genuinely surprised y'all thought his reactions were reasonable or that it made sense he would think that happened at all. Like, did this dude seriously entertain the idea that Buffy not only cheated on him, but had sex with Angel KNOWING doing so would literally be releasing evil on the world????? What the hell dude. And his whole "I love you so much I can't think straight" is nonsense coated in romance. A lack of trust is really what it comes back to.
cosmotron
2023-08-10 15:24:35 +0000 UTCI hope you reconsider Marketa and start watching Angel in S2. Girl you didn’t miss much in S1. Lol. S2 and going forward is really good and some of the best character introductions and developments happen on Angel. One character you would absolutely adore and it would be so sad you never got to know them. ☹️
Alison
2023-08-10 15:17:52 +0000 UTC😂
Courtney Scott
2023-08-10 15:15:08 +0000 UTCSo at the time this episode of Buffy aired, it was communicated that they wanted to end crossovers so they had this “let’s keep our series separate” episodes on both Buffy and Angel. I was crushed at the time. No comment on whether this successfully took.
Courtney Scott
2023-08-10 15:14:06 +0000 UTCI love Young Justice so much! Where's that Rana solo stream to catch up??
Daniel R
2023-08-10 14:59:17 +0000 UTCFor me the whole point in Angel coming to Sunnydale to apologise rather then call was fan service. The writers did not want to leave to leave them in a bad place following what happened in LA m. This episode is when I started disliking Riley. Telling Buffy she can’t speak to someone, not giving her privacy when she asked. Sure Angel was being a smug jerk but Buffy does not need Riley to order her around or protect her.
Casey Van Duin
2023-08-10 14:57:42 +0000 UTCYou guys had the weirdest reaction I’ve ever seen to Angel in this episode lol. I don’t even really understand your confusion.
Derek Jolstead
2023-08-10 14:50:02 +0000 UTCFor Sunday Rundown: There were anti-drug campaigns for DC and Marvel comics back in the days. Speedy and other sidekicks were given storylines that battled drug abuse and the mental hardships it came with. While this Speedy isn't battling with heroin and other hard drugs, the parallels are there with his comrades and wife giving an intervention.
Johnny Blue
2023-08-10 14:42:56 +0000 UTCthis fake news slander has to stop lol - Ketty
The Normies
2023-08-10 14:36:22 +0000 UTC4 seasons later still can’t believe buffy beat out TVD
D.j. Lachmandas
2023-08-10 14:09:09 +0000 UTCThe angel episode was crazy! Glad y'all enjoying them too bad about Marketa hating Angel 😇 at less she likes buffy. Can't wait till next season. I'm super hyped
The Answer
2023-08-10 14:08:11 +0000 UTC
