The Thick of It: Season 1, Episode 3 Abbots Two Houses
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Ah what I was saying was in the US you don’t need to be elected to head up a Department, they’re Presidential appointments and often include non politicians
Kieran B
2023-03-03 12:10:03 +0000 UTCIn this instance Dan Miller is a junior Cabinet Minister and Hugh is the Cabinet Minister, they’re resigning (or planning to resign) from the Department, not as constituency MPs
Kieran B
2023-03-02 20:14:02 +0000 UTCNot technically true I don't think. Every one of them is an elected party member from a constituency. But only say, 20 people will be in that parties cabinet. There's a reason you don't hear about Nick Clegg anymore, he lost the election in his constituency at some point after the coalition dissolved
Balkyne
2023-03-02 20:00:06 +0000 UTCI think Terri was just talking to a friend on the phone
Kieran B
2023-03-02 07:34:21 +0000 UTCImportant to add that they’re not resigning from the job completely, just from their Ministerial posts (eg running the Department of Social Affairs), so they’re still staying as politicians but just not within the Cabinet (it works a bit different in the US as you don’t need to be an elected official to head up a Department, the President can just appoint somebody). So they’re going back into the main pool of politicians and hoping they can get a better post in a cabinet ‘reshuffle’
Kieran B
2023-03-02 07:31:36 +0000 UTCThat’s definitely a key part in the power politics, but Dan resigned for the reasons Malcom stated to the Minister earlier, as you can see the seed being planted in Dan’s mind when the Minister later recounts that to Dan “if I’d resigned the day I was appointed I’d be Prime Minister by now.” So he ends up looking like an obvious scapegoat and I suppose in terms of the optics it makes it look like a just how you described - someone in power pushing a rising star out and garnering sympathy from voters
Kieran B
2023-03-02 07:26:09 +0000 UTCTheoretically having a permanent civil service allows for continuity between Governments, whereas in the US a lot of the roles that would be permanent and neutral here are politically appointed and change with each administration The classic comedy Yes, Minister is about the power dynamics between elected representatives and the permanent civil service
Kieran B
2023-03-02 07:13:45 +0000 UTCTerri is a Civil Servant, Civil Servants do all of the administration of the government regardless of who’s in power so if there was an election and a different political party won and the Department gets a new Minister - Terri would still be in the same job. All of the others would leave, as would Malcolm
Kieran B
2023-03-02 07:09:29 +0000 UTCI'm not sure I understood the plot or events completel but my take was that, just like a Roman Emperor paranoid by a successful General, a PM is much happier with an incompetent minister fucking up occasionally than with a successful, popular, rising star. Malcom's primary objective is to assassinate their careers before they get going. His secondary objective is to whip the incompetent ministers into action when needed and clean the messes they create before they get embarrassing for the government as a whole.
Alex Edwards
2023-03-01 22:34:01 +0000 UTCTerri is one of the best comedy characters of all time.
John Bruce
2023-03-01 18:42:14 +0000 UTCYes, a real shame. it’s really hard to square it with him because he seemed so appealing. My mum just refused to believe it when she heard it. People contain multitudes as they say, and often pretty disturbing multitudes.
Saul
2023-03-01 15:08:30 +0000 UTCHe did do that. There was a programme of him talking about it and his abuse as a child iirc. As you say though, a real shame. A great talent.
Joe Gardiner
2023-03-01 15:04:16 +0000 UTCChris Langham is sublime in this. It's a shame he had to go and do the stuff he apparently did, he was a really talented comedic performer.
Saul
2023-03-01 13:19:30 +0000 UTCHugh talking about the quality of civil servants in his office - "you wouldn't get these dweebs working at the foreign office, they're dreck" - has special significance for me now because my sister worked as a civil servant in the foreign office from 2015ish to 2019ish. I think I'll try and get that clip sent to her :) She was, I suppose, the equivalent of Terri in this, only terrifyingly competent, incisive and hardworking. And this was in the period where Dominic Cummings was attempting to purge the government's civil service. NB: Josh, civil servants are basically highly qualified politically neutral professionals who work alongside the political parties to get things done, get things done in theory at least. My sister seems to have spent most of her time writing and then immediately tearing up long reports on a Brexit policy that changed from day to day. Eventually she got exhausted by the meaninglessness of it all and is now head of economics at the British embassy in Spain, She got to meet the Duke of Kent and the king of Spain in the last few months and is clearly getting more and more terrifyingly powerful with each passing year. I'm holding her in my back pocket in case I run someone over and need the government to cover it up, although she says that's 'not what she does', but then she would say that. She has seen The Thick Of It and says it's much funnier and more entertaining than the reality, but is pretty accurate.
Saul
2023-03-01 13:17:55 +0000 UTCJ44 - I'll let you have this one
HB
2023-03-01 00:01:37 +0000 UTC
