yeah, i honestly don't have any sympathy for deku. this episode once again showcases what i've been saying since the hideout raid arc and why i don't like deku: he's a selfish pos.
oh sure, he may think of himself as heroic, and up until now most viewers may have bought into that self created narrative of his, -mostly because, as the protagonist, his selfish actions usually work out in the end-, but these last few episodes really highlighted what i've been saying for years. deku is self-centred af and never considers anyone but himself.
it doesn't matter how much effort and planing anyone else puts into things, he constantly insists on forcefully inserting himself into the narrative, not because he is qualified to handle the situation, or because he's absolutely needed, but simply because he can't control his emotions and they are all he cares about when making a decision.
did he consider all the effort the police and the heroes put into planing the raid on the league's hideout and how his presence could ruin their plan in a myriad of ways? no, all he cared about is that he felt bad for not being able to protect bakugou and that's more important than anything else.
did he consider the negative consequences of bringing an untrained newbie into an active battlefield and the extra burden it puts on everyone present who have to compensate for it? no, all he cared about was that he felt sad for eri and that's more important than anything else.
did he consider the consequences of what actually would have happened if gentle made it all the way into ua, if he hadn't been been able to stop him? no, all he cared about was he didn't want to disappoint eri and that's more important than anything else.
and did he consider the efforts and feelings of his classmates and friends when going solo and what they thought? no, all he cared about was that he didn't want to see anyone else get hurt and that's more important than anything else.
oh sure, you can act as if this was a new development, but deku has always acted in a way where he didn't consider the feeling and efforts of those around him, and only cared about himself and his own emotions. it's how he's always been.
JHow
2023-07-08 09:51:00 +0000 UTC
This fight really showed how developed the 1-A class was. Sure, they're not super in depth but they have been developed enough to make most of these moments work, even Mineta's moment was good. In Season 1 I felt like I barely knew or cared for the others but as Season after Season came out, I started to actually care and liked seeing them all interact. That's a big change and really shows the quality of writing that went into the side characters, which is usually a category that many big Shonen struggle with especially when they introduce a majority of the side characters all out once.
Naruto is an example of this where they introduce a good chunk of the main cast in the Chunin Exams only to really only focus on a few of them like Shikimaru, Lee and Neji. Some of these characters were underutilized in Part 2 but again this was only an example of the side character balance problem I see in some Shonen.
On the topic of the civilians, this situation was birthed due to the flawed structure of Hero society among other things. The civilian population relied too much on Heroes and began to elevate them so high that they stopped treating them as fellow humans but rather as infallible larger than life figures. Basically, comic book heroes who always win the day and keep everyone safe. So much so that when things began to fall apart these same people turned on these heroes and began treating them the same way they would treat villains, with intense scrutiny and scorn. They forgot that being a "Hero" is a job and that they are just as capable of making mistakes as anyone else.
They have forgotten that they are human too and that they too have breaking points. They don't realize that they are making the situation with the heroes worse than it already was. It's birthed a purely selfish mentality which is enhanced by the mob mentality.
It has gotten so bad that they are willing to put their own feelings and sense of safety over Midoriya. Who is a tired, sad, and all-around depressed kid who isn't even out of UA. That's how low they have sunk, to deny entry to someone who has been helping so many people up until now and also until now has been keeping away for their sake. Even so, part of the reason for this is the fact, they are missing a severe amount of context and required explanation. Like the fact Midoriya is likely the only person who can beat All for One which is partly why he's targeting him along with the nature of Midoriya's quirk.
Sean PaulT60
2023-07-08 01:28:23 +0000 UTC
I don't blame Izuku for doing things the way that he was, but it was clear he was running himself ragged. I doubt he had much left in the tank, let alone enough to contend with people like AFO, Shiguraki, and Dabi. He was playing into AFO's hands because AFO is a master of psychological warfare and he has no restraints on the lengths he'll go to rip someone's spirit apart.
Endeavor seemed to understand that it had to be Class A to reign him in as anyone else would not get through to him like they could.
While I understand the citizens are scared, I have to agree that they're being unreasonably selfish. The Hero Society set itself up for failure, but that's not a valid excuse to make Izuku a pariah and leave him to fend for himself. Besides if AFO kills Izuku out there, guess who's likely next on AFO's hitlist? In the end their cries of barring Izuku just garuntees his death as well as theirs. They're being short sighted as hell.
DevilJynx
2023-07-07 23:45:55 +0000 UTC
I get that, and definitely within the first few seasons I actually liked him less than Mineta, but...I mean, the saying "better late than never" exists for a reason. You're definitely right that he should've apologized a long time ago (and definitely never should've done it in the first place) but if my options were Bakugo getting his head out of his ass and apologizing, and Bakugo just being a pompous dick forever....yeah, I prefer this outcome.
Chandler LaDeau
2023-07-07 21:40:40 +0000 UTC
Ah yes, the episode where half of the internet was blown away by how cool the class fight was and how great Bakugo's apology was, and the other half of the internet was blown away by "You mean to tell me 13 was a total cutie under that helmet all these years???"
Chandler LaDeau
2023-07-07 21:37:22 +0000 UTC
Yea, I definitely see both sides of this. For me, if I was the one who had been bullied, I could easily accept the apology and move on with things. If it was one of my loved ones who had been bullied, it would be a lot tougher!
Spaz Boys Comedy
2023-07-07 16:35:53 +0000 UTC
In the end it just comes down to how you feel about Bakugo. I understand you don't like holding grudges or just don't like being angry with something from the past. I'm like that too, I'm an old man, what point is there to being angry or resentful all the time. I just don't like when mostly everyone in the MHA fandom "forgive" Bakugo simply because he apologized. His past can't and won't be forgotten. I'm sure he's using his past to better himself and be the hero he has potential on being
Aidan
2023-07-07 14:50:41 +0000 UTC
I'm not saying to forget the past either, I just personally don't think it's worth holding onto it too tightly or basing your perception of the on things they're moving on from. I do actually apply this to Endeavor as well, but I do understand where people are coming from both with Bakugo and with Endeavor. Also, I'm not expecting to change your mind or anything, and your viewpoint is perfectly valid, you feel what you feel and there's nothing wrong with that.
No Consequence
2023-07-07 14:35:27 +0000 UTC
I think you're confusing forgive with forget. Holding up someones past against them when they've clearly made an effort to change is both pointless and childish, no offense meant ofc. I also don't believe its up to us however, its up to Izuku, like no consequence said if he should choose to hold it against him or not he could not be blamed, but for us we're just bystandards.
Lewd Angel
2023-07-07 14:33:46 +0000 UTC
It's not just that, but the glamorization of heroes - the sort of thing that the Safety Commission helped cultivate and maintain - helps to dehumanize the heroes, making them seem less like people are more like infallible gods. Part of the reason we're in this mess is because there was focused effort to keep heroes in a positive light at all times and that illusion completely fell apart with the help of Stain followed swiftly by the repeated and very public failures of the heroes followed by All Might retiring (which caused a spike in crime which only made Stain's "all the heroes are fake only All Might is worthy" seem all the more credible.) The populous is working with a warped perception of heroes that was caused not just by the villains but by the society itself. Of course, the fear certainly isn't helping either...
No Consequence
2023-07-07 14:11:38 +0000 UTC
I understand you, believe me I do, but it's just a little personal for me. I don't like bullying. The only reason Deku doesn't hold it against him is because he's too kind for his own good and because he sees the potential of Deku being a great hero. I basically think if he'd said anything it would have tarnished his reputation. Deku after everything still protected Bakugo. In the beginning I honestly thought he had Stockholm syndrome with Bakugo. But that's another thing. I know Bakugo knows he made mistake and has to live with that BUT is trying to change for the better. I think he's changing but his past can't be forgotten. Like I said, if that's the case with Bakugo we should apply for endeavor too.
Aidan
2023-07-07 14:08:22 +0000 UTC
I'm the opposite. It's impossible for me to hold a grudge if the person in question has apologized and is making a clear effort to better themselves. Even when I WANT to stay angry, I find that I can't. I also don't think there's any value in holding someone's past against them when they've acknowledged the wrong they did and are making an effort to be a better person. That being said, if Midoriya himself was holding Bakugo's past actions against him I wouldn't blame him, but I especially don't see any value in trying to hold someone accountable for something when they are already holding themselves accountable and the actual victim of their actions isn't hung up on it. I'm the kind of person that doesn't agree with punishment for the sake of punishment and believes the important thing is improving.
No Consequence
2023-07-07 13:59:43 +0000 UTC
Its like i said before, the citizens have a selfish mentality that came from living in the previous era where Hero's specifically All Might always kept them safe and beat the bad guys. They don't care about anything but their own safety.
Andrew Lolavar
2023-07-07 13:31:41 +0000 UTC
I might get a lot of hate for this but Bakugo's apology is to little to late imo. I never liked the blonde firecracker because of his past with Deku. Let's not forget ladies and gentlemen that this kid tormented Izuku for years because of him not having a quirk. Didn't let him make friends with children his own age, always put him down, and constantly made fun of his dream. Remember that initially "Deku" meant worthless. Imagine being called worthless by your peers for many years simply for not having a quirk. Why? Because of Bakugo. It wasn't until Ochako changed the meaning of the word "Deku" into "you can do it!" that it's significance changed. I know Izuku will make his hero name a legend into the same level as All Might one day. But never forget it's origin people. My true reason on why I don't like Bakugo is because of this simple sentence in the very beginning of MHA, never forget, because I won't, "If you want a quirk so bad, why don't you do a swan dive of the roof! Maybe on your next Life you'll be born with a useful quirk!"
Basically encouraged Deku in the beginning to commit suicide. Only because of Deku's never say die spirit he continued on. Now that's why I don't like Bakugo. I know the past doesn't define someone's future, and I know Bakugo is trying to change, but I'm someone who never forgets the past. Besides if we are to believe the past doesn't define you, then we should apply that to endeavor too. So should we forget endeavor was a wife beater because he's trying to change now? I don't think so. It's just fair that it applies to Bakugo too. Bakugo is a child who is changing for the better, but NEVER forget his past.
Now that was a long one but I had to get it off my chest. I'm free to have a NICE and FRIENDLY debate about this. If you're rude then I won't even bother.
Sorry for opening this can of worms lad