November Bases Poll: 25 or 32mm?

I know this is a bit late for posting on this one, but my comment is more towards doing different things as mentioned above with the gnomes. I think it would be cool if you all added like a pet of the month type of thing, doing sculpts of unique familiars and/or pets. Having some little animal companions for sculpts would be really fun for me personally. Yes, other people do offer such things, but with your particular sculpting style I'd honestly just love to see what you'd come up with.

Nathan Keene

If you make the models and supported version in a 25 scale and you want the 32 scale version just scale them up for printing. The supported versions should work fine. I have had some printing issues scaling them down from 32 to 25 for the pre-supported versions and have to create support my self. I going for 25mm scale

DeMonKeyO

32 for me

dawzy27

i find printing in the 25mm doesn't quite match up to D&D standards but the 32mm's do for some reason.

Robert

I play D&D exclusively and much prefer the 32mm bases.

Daniel Caswell

Easy for you to say. It's the standard grid size since...ever.

MadMike

I know I am late to the party, but D&D etc uses 25 - 50 - 75 etc mm and that's the majority of players, period. I will always have to resize yours (and only yours) to fit my customers needs. Which is the only thing I really despise since day one :)

MadMike

Where can i find a 32mm grid map? I've been looking for one since this post came out and have had no luck

Will Fader

I would prefer a 30mm base option rather than a 32mm base

I found the Dragonguard pretty meh, next month's rehash of forest elves is looking pretty meh (we already have an elf on a stag for a mount). They should do something like a month of Tree Ents or turtle folk or werebeasts or a month of crazy bases instead of figures or something. Elves elves again is a big snore, they don't even look that different.

Andre Fowler

Oh yeah I second this one

Zac Erickson

What he said.

Will Hoff

If you can include both sizes (wich I guess would not be too difficult for you, I would suggest that

Productions Diratia

dnd runs at 25mm, and I use your models explicitly for dnd.

I scale to 25 mm for table top gaming all the time anyway. so if the base is built at 32 and i scale it down with the model all is fine.

Dungeons Deep

The Pathfinder/D&D player in me says 25mm fit so much better on map tiles, but the painter in me says the scope for dynamic poses, detail and character offered by 32mm far overrules the practicality. What the hell, I'm going to start rescaling terrain, maps etc. to 32mm

Ben Newman

I would love to see your "Setting" as a game neutral setting book (For use with any RPG )

Nathan Jensen

This. So very much this. I end up using PrusaSlicer way too often lately - a lot of pre-supported minis* start coming in with supports placed too close to the model or in support trees where everything just fuses together. Pre-supporting the mini at smaller default size and then scaling the exported .stl back up to the desired size would solve most of my grievances =) * I should probably note that this applies to other patreons I'm supporting.

Artiom Buchkowsky

Bases aren't the grid though, and not everyone plays your ruleset.

Kae Ebonrai

Definitely 32mm bases for models of this size, I'm surprised you've been using 25mm exclusively this long, 25mm bases are... How to put this, a legacy of a time long past and larger bases both look better and are much more stable.

Kae Ebonrai

32mm scale is the term in the industry for figures like these - and it is indeed measured to the eye for the most part.

Kae Ebonrai

I am basing for Kings of War so little bases dont matter

Clint Richards

Medium size creatures take up a grid space of 25 independent of their height. Would it not be easier for people who want bigger bases to scale them up rather than have wider stances that do not fit when you scale the bases down? If you scale the whole model it is going to look unproportional with regards to all the other AG miniatures. I like that you are varying creature height but personally I would prefer if that would still work based on the sculpted poses in the established system. You say you won't change the scale but everyone using a grid system would be forced to do just that when scaling down.

Pls dont let the gnome set fall there are thousands of orc and elf sets from different artists but just a few decent gnome or halfling sets. You saw how popular they were in the poll only 1% difference to the new elves. That means there are ton of desperate players out there who would love to have an amazing smallfolk miniature. And also ist would be awesome to have every fantasy race in your Special Art style. Perhaps you can mix them with halflings so that it is a halfling/gnome set ? But pls have a heart for the small ones and dont let them fall❤️

Fabian M

As long as the bases don't become integral to the model I don't see a difference. (32mm to the eyes is not really a scale btw - the scale is 1:55 - which lets you set the heights of things much better if you work in metric.)

John Pope

25 is much more versatile and I appreciate if the detail level isn't an issue if scaled down. Scaling up should be less of an issue in that regard but would be a little disappointing if detail is reduced to compensate.

Ceris

We use miniatures for both RPGs and wargaming. Of the two, 25mm/1" is more useful - we most often use a 25mm grid, and character models in Kings of War are most often on 25mm or 20mm bases. BUT, as long as the base is either not integral, or at least does not have a specific place that the model HAS to glue into, I can modify the base size as needed, or even glue to an regular square base. (I usually do, anyway - I prefer square bases, having used them since 1975 or so.)

Dennis O'Brien

default size most likely, or maybe they will be including some fancy base options

GH

I dont get this poll. We can scale bases to whatever size we like. Why would this matter?

Bill Cedarheath

Haha finally I'll have a figure that can be an Army Standard Bearer with a Lute of Insatiable Darkness for Kings of War. (I mean, once I figure out how to incorporate a banner...)

Charles Feduke

I find 32 bases more useful in general anyway, so I will vote 32.

Dr.V

I use my own bases (it has room for a metal washer), so not really relevant to me. :)

Neoculture

I'm mostly agnostic on base size, though I prefer bigger models whenever possible for more details when painting. But it seems like fewer print issues will occur upsizing a pre-supported model than downsizing it. That being the case, maybe scale the pre-supported releases for 25mm as a baseline, with a big disclaimer of PRINT AT 130% to bring them up to their 'intended' scale?

Rob Silvester

y n0t b0th

Mini Dash

Regarding the pinup for this month - will this be a clothed model? This would be very usable for a PC but wouldn't be suitable at my table if it was a skimpy/topless version instead

A_G_S

Thanks for doing this, I was finding it very frustrating pinning some of the minis to the bases because they didn't have a large enough base. This will solve my issues.

Fogo

I voted for the 32mm because, a smany have already said I would prefer my minis feet were completely on the base. Having said that I wouldnt mind having base toppers instead of bases to be honest. Mostly because i'm lazy and haven't figured out how to make a hole for a magnet in the provided bases before printing them and I dont really have a great place to drill a hole in the already printed base; no ventilation in m condo and I have an infestation of curious children :)

James Harrison

So I hate having my figure's feat hanging off of the edge of the base. Sure a 32mm base doesn't perfectly fit a 1 inch grid but I have never found it that important to be perfectly fit. If figures are next to one another you know which square they are in even if they are perfectly centered. Being close enough and having a base that fits the mini I think is the better option. If I have an issue I would scale down the base, of course I would also scale down the mini to about 80% which would make it all fit in the 25mm scale.

The Weezel

I am partial to 25mm bases, but that's also because I play with a grid and I'm a huge stickler for having bases that fit the 1-inch squares on my grid.

Jonathan Dang

In my mind when model scale is 25 mm, then they have 25 mm bases or if they are in 32 mm scale, then they have 32 mm bases. With this approach I can always trust the model to be correct scale even if I print them larger or smaller. I tend to use the base as "scale reference" when scaling figure to certain ratio.

Jenian Katarn

I love where the Alfar bard pinup model is going (judging from the sketch) and I think the final model will be awesome. Also, thanks for bringing this 28/32 scale for the bases up....I'm happy to see it being addressed.

Rob Leonard

This is my thinking as well, No matter what, though, I can always resize the minis + bases in my slicer to fit my game's scale.

Owen Pattison

Personally, I think anything above the 25mm ends up meaning you need to replace your standard 1” grids with a 32mm grid, and those can be very hard to find.

Bill Curran

I personally fit the base to what looks right on the model. bigger model? = bigger base... it really is that simple I absolutely abhor seeing a model where it's feet are half off the edge, or any part of the model really (except like, an arm with a sword pointing at their foes type thing). Essentially, if the model looks like they're being squished onto this little base, then they probably need a bigger one. Whatever looks better imho (but then I am predominantly a collector/painter, who cares more about how a model looks, rather than their game power... but I do game too)

Joey D

I prefer scaling down a base (if needed) rather than scaling up... Sure, scaling down you might "loose" some details (meaning the printer wont be able to print them) but scaling up looses definitition, and in my opinion, thats worse....

Florian O'Neill Jols

Alternatively you could meet in the middle and out some models on 25mm, some on 28mm, and some on 32mm, some on 40mm depending on the size of the model (ex. Warcry models from GW does this)

Victor Laurence

The minis are scaled for 32mm, the bases should be 32mm. Kinda silly when the models are way too huge for the bases they are on. If people want stuff at 25mm scales they will scale down the models and likewise can scale down the bases.

Victor Laurence

25mm fits 1" grid size which is nice. You can scale them up (and plane cut height) for 32mm if needed.

Robin Blair

If I actually cared enough to vote, I'd probably vote 32mm. I use most of my minis on a 1"=5' system of D&D. That being said, the base size has no effect on the one inch grid system. The leading edge of the base is all that needs to be measured against the leading edge of each square, or hex, in the grid. I don't blame people who stringently stick to 25mm bases for fitting in a certain grid size, but it is unnecessary IMO.

Don McLaughlin

I'm going to have to abstain from this vote. I rarely ever use sculpted bases. I love basing my minis myself.

Don McLaughlin

32MM bases means I either have to shrink them myself, or hope the encounter I need them for doesn't call for a grid. It also directly affects ALL measurements on the table (a 32mm mini base has a huge reach and movement advantage over a 25mm)

Keith Brooks

Now I can't unsee the energy sword

Cat Herder

32mm appeals to the Warhammer crowd, but personally I prefer Reaper's 30mm Slota as my default size. I do not like 25 mm bases for heroic/legion scale figures that have dynamic poses as the feet frequently leave the base.

Robert

There are good legit arguments for both sides. Personally I prefer the 32mm bases over the 25mm ones for model balance, visual presentation not looking sloppy with overhangs, and to give me a larger canvas to make a scenic base... BUT... the 25mm bases are best for any game with a 1" grid. I mainly use these models as fun things to paint/diorama with and for games like Frostgrave. Ultimately I think if you're going to keep scaling the minis at 32mm (thumbs up, great choice!) then your minis should all be on appropriately sized bases. Either we can re-scale them down to 25 when needed for our own games at that point, or if you have the cycles it would be great to have the bases available in 3 sizes. How hard would it be to sculpt an entire 6" diameter patch of ground for each set? You could then offer that whole large base for a diorama base, and "punch out" all the smaller bases from it. You could even offer the large base with the holes so we could magnetize the smaller bases into the holes and make the diorama with figures removable for play! (Yes, yes... I KNOW I'm just wishlisting these to offload all of my work onto you instead of doing it myself... lol)

Alec Christian

While I can see the benefit of 32mm bases, they won't fit in standard 1" terrain squares.

Maeyanie

Bigger bases be better. For the game that I play most, I frequently mount three troopers on a single larger base to make a "mob" so what I really end up using are bases in the 50mm range. I do not, however, expect you to cater to my weirdly specific needs.

CURTIS CRADDOCK

32mm i love when mini doenst exceed the base xD

Willems Eric

less different bases, but both scales

christophe collaine

y3s b4ses

Mini Dash

I personally prefer the classical 25mm~1" Bases but i also rescale most artisan Guild Models to about 85 to 90% to make them fit into 28mm Scale. So i can understand the demand to make the bases larger even if i am not a great fan ot it myself. The problem i have is that by rescaling bases unlike miniatures the base becomes kinda odd looking because you either scale it in all direction, making it more flat than other bases, or you only scale the radius and deform the angel base has at it's outer perimiter. Both look out of place if viewed next to traditional bases. For me this would mean to not print the bases and use blank bases instead. It would be nice to have both and decide which to print but i can understand that making two sets of bases for ever release would be to much.

Herudo

Is she holding... A broken lute and an energy sword from halo?

Anomalocham

I'd like you to use 25mm for 'troops' and 32mm for heroes or creatures.

Jim O'Keane

Both?

Minh Pham

25mm bases are pretty standard. I have to scale down every release to fit. I'm not in favour of scale creep.

Dustin Ballard

This is great! Hope you can get the inspiration you need back. I love the idea of having mixed sets as monthly releases. I think it’s better in every way. More variety means more people getting what they hoped for!!! I’ve loved pretty much every release so far but the idea of getting mixed packs gets me really excited. It’d also be something unique that can differentiate you guys from the other patroons out there! Keep up the good work, I’m fully supporting everything you do :)

Oxenia

All my boards are made in 25 mm, so I would highly prefer the bases to match. But, as long as I can print and scale them separately is it not a huge issue :o)

Jens Christensen

Bigger bases are generally better. It is so silly looking like for the old space marine on 25mm base when they have both feet at the opposite edge of the base

Decaybringer

I love the fact that you'll be making what you want instead of polling it every month. Every month it's the same cycle of 60% of the voters being intensely dissappointed, and I think it's better for you guys' mental health as well to work on what you want to work on. Big fan of this move.

Samuel van der Spek

As long as there is still an option to print without a base, I'm good.

David Clearman

Use the bases that make sense for the models (though traditional wargame sizes are preferred). The beauty of 3d printing is how easy everything is to resize!

Thomas Klein

I scaled up the bases already so doesnt matter to me really. As much as I dislike the gnome faction being taken away after it being second and the need for halfings or gnomes for minis. I trust in AG and the work they do so maybe later one I can get my dream sets lol (undead, fire dwarves and gnomes) what ever they do Im sure it will be great and lets hope we can maybe get a couple gnomes in the next set! Also totally glad you guys are making what you want now rather then voting.

Jonnyballday .

I can deal with small overhangs for a grid what is more important for me is that the base looks like it fits the model

32mm bases won't fit in the spaces on my board, so I'd be scaling them down to fit. But that's fine. It's not a huge problem if it goes that way.

Paul West

Does the new polls mean we will actually get our bugbears and Deathknights!?!? :D

Preston Lintzenich

I've been putting everything on 32mm plastic round bases, it just ends up looking nicer.

Cold Painting Table

on a side note: Loving the bard concept!

Kay Prins

Keep the base scale matched to the models. These models fit well on 32mm bases. However i did like when the smaller models in the past sets have had 25mm bases. Match the base to the model and they can also be scaled together if a different size it desired.

I use square bases for wargaming, so it's irrelevant for me either way.

Filip Milinković

If the standard for the bases goes up, the figures will change over time to accommodate that, meaning in a few months you would not be able to squeeze them on a 25mm base, so whatever this poll gives, PLEASE keep the figures so that they would fit a 25mm base if even barely, most popular roleplay systems work with that, scaling supported mini's up is far easier than down. I only have rather cheap but lots of hours worth of terrain, think of those people that spend 1000 upon 1000 of dollars on dwarvenforge, suddenly seeing the mini not fit anymore

Kay Prins

While I understand the reason for using 32 mm scale to get more detail, I have to scale down everything to fit the 28mm scale everything else in the D&D printing universe uses. So in the end I need 25mm bases - however, since I need to scale down the figures anyway, not sure if the 32mm bases scale down anyway. Pity about the pre-supported stuff that doesn't always work when you scale things down. :(

always 32

Efesto

Like most others, my usage is for D&D, which more often than not demands a requirement of 25mm on a 1"x1" grid map. I believe the problem here lies not with the sculpts, which will scale down just fine, but with the supports and the programs. Many folks (myself included) are drawn to pre-supported Patreons as we are looking to get prints finished ASAP, on to painting, and onto the board as quickly as possible. Upscaling a pre-supported model by a little is never difficult and most always is a flawless transition. However, downscaling often makes supports too weak and thin resulting in a failed print that one has to go back in and fully re-support anyway (on top of wasted resin), ultimately defeating the purpose of a pre-supported model. Bases themselves are never a problem with resizing when just printing flat on plate, but downscaling pre-supported models is almost always a guaranteed disaster. Just brainstorming here. The easiest fix would likely be to scale down the models from the get-go so their dynamic poses fit on 25mm bases. I realize they're supposed to be tall by nature as mentioned in the post, but this may be the best wide-usage option, as it allows the model to fit the base and folks who would prefer the larger models and aren't concerned with base size could upscale with none of the detrimental effects that come with downscaling. If there's some program out there that allows for scaling pre-supported models or the resizing of rescaled supports without much effort or without having to completely support a rescaled unsupported model from scratch, then it wouldn't be so bad. I use Chitubox and Lychee, and if either offer that I'd love to know about it as it would make these detriments irrelevant and I'd happily choose 32mm and just downscale them. Otherwise, I'll have to go with 25mm as D&D kinda' demands it.

Jason Keene

I vote for the Magic Johnson bases (32)

Prawnboy23

I'd rather have the bigger bases with more detail that I can scale down than go the other way and lose detail. I acknowledge there's not much loss in detail between 32 & 28 (or even 25) but the basic idea is the same. As long as there isn't special depressions, I can change the size of the base to fit my needs. Or I can create my own bases once in a while. I'd love to see you do a pack of bases some time!

John Doerr

I use them mainly for DnD so 25

Just putting this out there that I would LOVE a full set of Gnomes and Gnome based minis from you guys! I’ve been excited to have a set for each race civilization from AG, and the Halflings and Gnomes seem to be the last races to complete the Humanoid spectrum, at least for me. Perhaps not as epic as orcs and elves, but I think there is lots of fun, whimsical potential for Gnomes outside of robust, pointy armor :)

Tyler Merrill

Again, as already stated by others above - having a 25 mm pre-supported base, I can easily scale it up to 32 mm; the same is not true when scaling down pre-supported minis. I have a box full of misprinted orcs that I tried to scale down from their default size - guess what happened with the now-too-thin supports?

Artiom Buchkowsky

25 for DnD and Pathfinder

Ter'rek

Please please PLEASE!!, keep 25mm. 32 would be a nightmare, all dwarvenforge, alll battle mats, all printed terrain, like dungeons tiles, buildings with grid, spacers for stairs, etc, etc would become worthless, both options sure but PLEASE keep 25mm. this is a nightmare!!

Kay Prins

32mm would be great! We've been using 32mm bases from other patreons for all the Artisan Guild minis we print.

Aaron Joyce

32mm is fine as I can just downscale them to my d&d needs.

The common 25mm uses don't call for exact measurements that 32 does. Making scaling up to 32 more difficult with any overhangs

Notensack

I vote for 32mm BUT only for this release because of Sylvan Alfars height. All my terrains are in 25*25mm grip. I used to 32mm models with 25mm bases. I just hope on scale down this time.

I think 32mm is way to go. Even some of your older models dont fit their bases nicely (looking at you, Ashan Alfar Priest, that is standing on my table right now) and I think, that if model is 32mm scale, then 32mm base will get them better look. I have understood that many people using them for D&D and they like 25mm base for it. But in that case they usually resize whole miniature to 28mm scale to be compatibile with other D&D miniature manufactures. So they can just resize also the base alongside with miniature.

Happy

25mm bases are more easily scaled up to 32mm bases when they are presupported. This doesn't necessary be the same the other way round. As a D&D player I'm also voting for 25mm Bases. the Scale of the models is perfect but scaling bases up is in my opinion better than having to scale down.

DiceDragon

I can see the attraction to larger bases for a greater range of pose options but as a maker who primarily uses and promotes the range for use with DnD a 25mm base is a requirement.

Stefan Simons

prefer 32mm and than rescale to whatever I need

Kenneth Gatt

Maybe try more base agnostic poses, examples would be the first set of alfar and one of the demon grunts. Like the great sword pose has a knee bent or something. My vote is for 25mm, for dnd use.

Lester Rea

I like the idea of bigger bases, but any larger than 25 mm means the model will not fit properly on a one inch grid. Its not the end of the world, I can scale it down if I need to. But I'll be voting for 25 mm for this reason.

i am using 32mm bases anyway for most of my other minis, so...

Christian Geißler

I'd just go for whatever fits best, if possible go for 25mm but like in this case where it looks kinda weird, make em bigger. They can always be downscaled

J-Zarno .

I use your models for dnd so a 25mm base is my preference.

MvdS

I've never really had a good experience with models on bases smaller than 30mm, so I'd stick with 32mm. Always helps to give the right amount of detail to size ratio.

Vendy

I primarily play DND with my friends so a 25 mm base has always been my preference atleast having the option if not I usually scale down

Victor Coto

yes it will, You can already shrink model down to 80%. We will test it by the way to make sure it works :)

Artisan Guild

I print to paint and make my own bases but gotta say your models stopped fitting properly on 25mm bases a while ago, I wouldn't mind if you started making them 32mm so I can print them as base toppers maybe

TheMorrigan

32mm all the way. I scale down to 28mm anyway but from an aesthetics pov the figures look nicer when they fit the base completely

Tooke

But the 32 pre support likely won’t work right scaled to 25 right?

Chaogeo

I always increase the size to 32 mm anyways I find it more appropriate for the figures. 😊😊

dale

Go 32 but I dont stress this as stated from some scaling a base up takes a few seconds. Secondly love all thw ideas that y'all have going on and,thank you for asking for a consensus , as always keep up the amazing work , loving it

William Musselwhite

I use my own hexagonal bases because that’s the side of the world map I like the most so....... I kit bash most bases and remove the top and place elements on my hex bases, however I can see the benefits of the 32. We can always scale them and it’s almost always better to scale down than up!

Vincent Von Hellsing

25mm for D&D player like me.

Paoloni Fabrizio

I’ve honestly gotten into the habit of upsizing my miniatures and terrain because the level of detail is seen much better.

JRy

Ive not printed any of the bases as ive automatically put printed models onto basic mdf / plastic 28mm or 32mm bases. I find 25mm bases are more for small mass unit models like gw skaven or grots.

Sebajiya

As long as they come separately from the bases the base scale doesn't matter to me.

Don't be limited by 25, go 32 and we'll scale it down if we need to ;)

Irisknife

Its easy enough to scale down. I put all your Dragonfolk and lizardfolk on 25mm round bases.

Jefferson Thacker

Love the idea! I've always found that some of the models are cutting it close with fitting them on the base so the extra room is more than welcome and probably makes it easier to sculpt too! Amazing work as always on the new set by the looks of it.

without changing the stances they look better on 32mm, and if we want to change them to 25mm it makes more sense to for us to scale the whole model down to a 25mm, shorter D&D elf. awesome hero BTW

Ryan Pipkin