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Chapter 15: Ok So There's This Flower

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Art is sloppy and looks like it hasn't been quality assessed at all. I pray this is a plot thing, because for a paid product it's a bit awkward. (The table with the corners that don't line up is my favorite.)

rj

Magically Appearing Gamzee?

Jeff's girlfriend

This is frankly a great idea, and I would love to see it happen

YorgBorg

I get where people are coming from with the frustration about the lack of momentum in this particular update, but I appreciate the comedy in some of the lines. Like Dave saying he hadn't used his time powers in forever and Roxy cutting him off to say he used them to turn a banana less brown the previous day is gold. Had me laughing

Trisha Snakes

I have no problem with the change in art, but I feel like there was a noticeable change in writing quality. This felt like early HS Dave writing, which isn't to say bad but rather like it was a younger version of this character. Another major inconsistency is actually starting to make me hopeful; the extra laundry room room and Magically Appearing Gamzee inconsistencies must surely be part of some eventually-revealed narrative plot, right? The dialogue and jokes (like that Karkat screaming and :O at the end and Callie being in the vents) felt old and kind of out of place. As others have said, it was also another "nothing" chapter where there's not really any story or character progression, which is extra frustrating when its now once a month and it ends with what would have been an interesting question (can you bring yourself to kill your "brother"?).

chase

Great update HS team! Love the Dave and Roxy banter :)

Lillith Ramie

I am so glad callie is back!! I hope they get a cool outfit too!! Loving all the character designs!!

Harley

I really like these interactions. Love the little breather we get from all the Candy.

Louis Vega

I like how, now that alt-Calliope is gone, there's no narration in this chapter because there's no narrator (further calling attention to the question of why Candy has narration and where that's coming from), and the joke that Roxy was just offscreen during the Davekat kiss is funny, even if it's technically a plot hole who gives a shit it's not important enough to worry about. There was also Dave calling back to Kanaya's story, which now that it's been mentioned twice narrative convention (and common sense) dictates it'll probably be relevant and thus worth remembering. It's very frustrating that Jade apparently has no reaction to being free now and no thoughts or ideas of her own. Did she even tell everyone that Dirk has similar narrator powers, as alt-Calliope told her? I presume she did. Is anyone, like, concerned about that? Maybe that would be a fresh new take on the "Can Dave kill Dirk" conversation if that's something you wanted to re-emphasize, talking about whether it's physically/logistically possible in order to lead in to the more important question of if Dave is emotionally prepared to do it (again). Dave is possibly the only person on the ship who's powerful enough to fight Dirk (depending on what powers, if any, Jade has without the Green Sun around). I bet he's feeling a lot of pressure over that. Everyone's counting on him, and him specifically, to kill his brother because he's the only one who can, and if he fails it could cost Karkat's life. Or maybe no one's counting on him and he doesn't give a shit. I dunno. No one on the ship seems to have any opinions on anything any more. For all Dave's speeches about how he's afraid Karkat will get hurt, he sure isn't doing literally anything that might better prepare him for the confrontation with Dirk so as to reduce Karkat's chances of getting hurt.

Daniel Kelly

(I should make a habit out of commenting more often haha) This update was charming and very cute. I always love seeing Dave and hearing from Roxy for the first time in awhile! Maybe it was a little slow, but Hiveswap act 2 must have taken up a lot of time for you guys. Just finished that yesterday and it was a blast. Anyway I can't wait to see what next month brings, thanks!!

Chan

I like their content myself but its the pacing man. That pacing.

lordoffantasy

just want to throw in my 2 cents and say i think yall are making good shit, and the work you put in is appreciated! the comments about the art style are pretty weird to me cause homestuck has always had an inconsistent, wonky art style, and also the art is actually charming as hell? anyway, i fucking love dave, what an endearing dude

Mossling

Loved the update, burst out laughing multiple times, Dave is best broson

Andrew Radev

sure no problem, please do forgive them though. for us 90's kids "dude" is one of the few things didn't age like radioactive cheese when looking back, even the song (and it's message) is still considered wholesome by today's standers.

cckiller

oh i see that does not make it much better but i appreciate the explanation

tempest2k

they are referencing "good burger" essentially the when someone gets mad about being called dude/ use the phase don't call me dude they start singing the "We're All Dudes" song, I believe they though you were setting them up for the joke.

cckiller

Hey I gotta say I loved this update and generally disagree with everyone else here except the person who mentioned the dollar amount thing. Cant please everyone, huh. anyway I kinda agree with that 'cause I know it's loaded to show how much you're making, but it's frustrating to have to sit in the same kiddie pool as people who ditch their patronage as soon as the get to read content

Oliver Griffiths

wow what is both of your deals this sucks, your justifications are not funny or convincing

tempest2k

I'ma dude he's a dude she's a dude cause we're all dudes HEY!

Immortal_Knight

I feel weird about Dave's Voldemort thing. It felt... OOC? I don't see the problem people have with the rest of the dialogue but it was a letdown to see them interrupted by Karkat right when it was getting Interesting. I'm excited for the inevitable Good Callie Focus though.

Jeff's girlfriend

...Who did the art for this one? Homestuck's art has always been a storyboard style, but this just kind of looks like an actual, post-it-notes on a whiteboard storyboard, which I can definitely enjoy when well executed (Hell, I like the "hussnasty" art a lot, and Homestuck's art generally) but, I don't know. It's feels rude to dunk on the art when I might not be approaching it from where it's coming from, right, and I'm sure with so many other negative comments it's just hard and sad to look at, but... yeah, that's basically where I'm at. I think Homestuck^2 having different artistic styles is a good way to approach it, because Homestuck proper obviously had a lot of that, and I'm thinking about how good a lot of MSPA/Homestuck inspired art (House of Dirk comes to mind) veers away from, especially the kind of soft Act 6 art style that I think this most recent update took to heart a little too hard, although I also understand that's just me postulating and naval-gazing from the perspective of someone that draws, but not professionally or anything.

ASW_Spearman

frankly i think this update shouldve waited like. a week or two. because its kind of extremely unpolished

spades gameing

Yea i really feel like they need to put something on the express train or something. Like, that was fine, but why? Its not like we needed a breather just yet.

lordoffantasy

the dialogue didn't feel too off just very awkward between them. two people very much not used to talking to each other and clashing in how they handle shiz...... But the biggest issue i have is the lack of momentum. They have so many ways for things to kick up but they are still in the staging phase.

lordoffantasy

would've preferred no update to this. i understand everyone was probably busy with hiveswap act 2 which was absolutely amazing, by the way. im trying to hold onto hope for this project but after this jarring change in art style and off feeling dialogue, it's kind of difficult. i appreciate the work you're doing, nonetheless.

Logan Brittain

:/

dogexmachina

We are all dudes my friend. Dude extends beyond gender and or sex. Dude is a state, of being...... Also we already know that she can't project her influence if jade is free and or unconscious. She got comatosed by Dirk in the epilogues.

lordoffantasy

(please dont call me dude) my takeaway was that jade is just in control of her body now, i didn't figure that would equate entirely to her ability to block interference. and i still don't think ultdirk has any incentive to make such little changes like the ones i mentioned.

tempest2k

She's gone dude. That is why jade is free here, so dirk could take over here if he wants to and or already has perhaps?

lordoffantasy

im not sure theres any deeper meaning behind it. if you want to go down that road, alt!calliope is supposed to be blocking that kind of interference by her very presence, and the only other "narrator" present in this timeline is ultdirk, who i dont believe has any incentive to make changes like the ones ive described here.

tempest2k

it feels like a different 'narrator' was present here.

lordoffantasy

it seems like a lot of jokes made in the fandom about things that might have happened ended up being adapted here, like someone being in the room just off-screen of the davekat kiss, or calliope living in the vents, or gay+homophobic dirk. its a bit odd, since that seems more like candy's speed, and these almost feel like too specific references to have been planned, especially considering the inconsistencies in the laundry room. i'm curious to see what comes next, and what this means for both the overall narrative and how the other sets of characters will be handled in future updates.

tempest2k

Hahahaha wow. Roxy was so close to getting something accomplished 😅. I live them all so much

Paisley Dodge

Would you guys ever consider switching your goals from number of patrons toward amount pledged per month? Really going to miss the monthly main updates and I would be willing to up my pledge if it contributed toward that goal.

c quinn

uuuuuuuuuuuguh. Okay, i can't say i didn't like this update, i in fact very much did. But this is literally nothing happening. Its super short despite there being a month to do it.

lordoffantasy

Hope this means we will be getting calliope content soon

Daniel Phillips

If Callie starts honking I think Karkat may just do one hell of a pirouette off the handle.

Orion Rhine


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