Buffy the Vampire Slayer: 5x4 Full Reaction
Added 2024-06-24 04:52:41 +0000 UTC
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For someone who loves Buffy as hard as Riley says he has little faith in her. FIrst he learns of Angel and then ASSUMES she ran off to LA to have sex with him. Here he thinks she's gonna run off as soon as he's normal again. BRUH normal is what she wanted out of you in the first place. This is all some macho nonsense based purely on her past with Angel and what happened with Dracula. Also lol @ Spike watching TV and going "oh Casey you idiot can't you see she doesn't love you" look who's talking!
Nathan Conarroe
2025-01-30 09:25:24 +0000 UTCAn interesting moment that many people seems to miss, perhaps because it was filmed in a way that wasn't very clear, but which could be important. The opening scene. Buffy is helped in her vampire hunt by first Riley, and then Spike. But the latter is unlucky, he is knocked over and injured. Buffy sees that Spike is in danger, and first pushes him away, and then kills the vampire. Just curious, what do you think could be the motives for Buffy's act, if not romantic interest coming from her? Spike is not innocent, in Primeavil Buffy understands that Spike is very dangerous, even with a chip. Would she have managed to unite with her friends and defeat Adam, if not for Spike's mistake in the conversation? The motivation to kill him should be more than enough. In this context, it doesn't matter what kind of love Spike has. The main thing is how Buffy herself perceives it, and she, I remind you, is already saving him from threats.
ThePowerDrome
2024-12-14 21:32:55 +0000 UTC"Never".
ThePowerDrome
2024-12-14 21:07:24 +0000 UTCLol some of the comments bringing realistic psychological breakdowns to a potential enemies to lovers between Spike and Buffy are... a lot. Obviously if this was in real life we wouldn't want something like that... this is a show about Hyena people and robot demons who shoot rocket launchers from their arm. Let's dial it in!
Cameron Ferguson
2024-08-08 01:39:26 +0000 UTCI think people in this comment section are failing to realize that this is a reaction to a fictional show and it’s perfectly normal to ship or show interest in characters that would be considered toxic in real life. TV shows would be so boring to watch through a completely moral lens. It also doesn’t make you morally superior to be anti-Spike or against the idea of Spuffy becoming a couple. It just comes off as patronizing.
delaney julia
2024-06-29 01:34:45 +0000 UTCYay, we're here! This episode is awesome! Out of My Mind is the perfect title; obviously, referring to the chip getting out of Spike's mind, but it can also refer to how Riley is acting. Willing to risk his life so he's not so "inferior" to Buffy is crazy. And Spike is out of his mind for falling for Buffy, a slayer who would never love a soulless vampire. Now, unfortunately, you're gonna start getting people commenting on the Spuffy ship. It's a big one in the fandom, and there's a lot of mixed feelings about it. But, as a fellow enemies-to-lovers-trope fan, I can tell you this is one of my favorites EVER. Spike's been obsessed with Buffy since he met her. Sure, he wanted to kill her, but still! I love the idea that his obsession with killing her has become warped because the chip is forcing him to play nice. That's something to always remember; Spike is STILL the murderous vampire we know and love. Sure, he loves, but he does so selfishly, because being an evil vampire doesn't mean you don't feel emotions. He loved Drusilla so much, but when he wanted to win her back in 3x8 Lovers Walk, he said he would tie her up and torture her until she loved him. Anyway, all this to say - I'm SO excited for you to continue with Season 5. It's honestly the best one, even the last few episodes that may have felt random, they ALL tie in with the themes and main storyline. It'll make sense when you get there. Love ya, Cassie! :)
nataly
2024-06-25 18:27:48 +0000 UTCnononononononononononono.....omgoodness, lol. It's not romantic feelings. He doesn't have real care and affection. He has obsession. Because no one ever says "I love you" without genuinely feeling those feelings...certainly no one ever mistakes physical desire and lust for love.
Brandon Scott
2024-06-25 17:52:59 +0000 UTCWhen you tear a dollar bill in half it is still spendable as long as you have both sides (or all serial numbers). So by tearing it in half she made all the money useless without the other halves.
Brandon Scott
2024-06-25 17:49:30 +0000 UTCThis hyper-romanticizing is exactly how characters like Christian Gray get labeled a romantic hero.
Brandon Scott
2024-06-25 17:46:28 +0000 UTCI dunno about the rest of you guys but attempting to murder me feels like one of those red flags that implies that the relationship might end up being abusive. I'm not sure what gives me that impression. Just a vibe.
Cyrinil
2024-06-25 10:47:02 +0000 UTCI like your insights. I think of love between vampires as a never-ending infatuation. They feel all the emotions of limerence, obsession, devotion, passion... but they can never progress to the kind of unconditional, mature love that most humans consider to be "the real thing". They're stuck in a teenage arrested development version of love, one that's more than a little self-involved and intertwined with their demonic drive. It's the dark side of love.
Mornir
2024-06-25 04:55:08 +0000 UTCCass I'm not saying I subscribed specifically to see your reaction to this one episode, but I am saying that your expression in the final scene is something I've been waiting for for a while. Something I've noticed a lot in the Buffy fandom is people arguing over whether or not vampires can "love" something, and when that argument pops up I always think that they should instead be arguing about what "love" MEANS to them. I love a nice cold glass of coca-cola on a hot day, and I love sleeping in on a Saturday morning after a stressful week at work, and I love hanging out my friends, and I love my family. And "love" means something very different in each one of those statements. Spike & Drusilla had a deeply emotional, passionate affair that lasted for a century, and the Judge said they stunk of humanity in their love for each, but was it the love of two people In Love? Or was it possessiveness, carnal desire, and common interests aligning? When they broke up and Spike returned to Sunnydale in season three he described love as "love isn't brains, it's blood. [...] Blood screaming inside you to work it's will" and said that Buffy and Angel would fight and have sex and could never be "just friends". And that's certainly a poetic way to describe love, but a married couple who've been together for 50 years and enjoy blissful contentment would spit in his eye if he said what they had didn't count as "love" because they weren't ANGRY about it. Now, is he In Love with Buffy? Or is he sexually attracted to her and has a healthy fear of her physical strength and fighting skill and has twisted them together to compare it to his relationship with Drusilla to say it MUST be love since he doesn't have any other way to understand it? Or does it perhaps mean something else to him?
JBK405
2024-06-24 23:43:14 +0000 UTC'Q' is a famous supporting character from the James Bond films most famously played by Desmond Llewelyn in 17 films between 1963 ('From Russia With Love') and 1999 ('The World is Not Enough'). He was a brilliant engineer who cooked up many of the gadgets James Bond is famous for and generally had a snarky tone with 007. (Here is a good Bond/Q banter scene from 1995's 'Goldeneye': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RZEbeGxTY )
Ross Nolan
2024-06-24 22:16:50 +0000 UTCThe look on your face during the make-out session at the end...was everything.
Steve Mercier
2024-06-24 21:40:39 +0000 UTCRemember the Judge in season 2, the demon that could burn the humanity out of you? He said about Spike and Dru “you 2 stink of humanity, you share affection and jealousy”. On the other hand he couldn’t detect a hint of humanity in soulless Angel…….
Vicky N
2024-06-24 21:39:14 +0000 UTCI can't believe I never got that. That scene always seemed so weird to me as Anya is not exactly subtle about her feelings.
slypeartree
2024-06-24 20:45:19 +0000 UTC"little pumkin belly" comes through this episode. Dawn detects Riley's heart trouble, and then suggests that the Government (being all sneaky and underhanded) is still monitoring Riley. That conspiracy rant about assassinating Fidel Castro, while not accurate about the method, is all true and very weird, and Castro was still in charge of Cuba at the time. They had a new writer, "Rebecca X" , on the show who co-wrote the episode, and that is why it is so good, with the show being more about how women see their relationships with their partners. "Dealing with a man who can't give up his ego and pride" and then being with him when he does and the fallout is prime soap, and the fans are here for it. David Grossman directed lots of Buffy episodes, and went on to direct supernatual shows all over tv. His use of lighting to focus on the characters bodies and the "Sunnyness" of Sunnydale in the day and the 3D of the spaces was amazing -- the Magic Shop and the Training room, the University Operating room, Spikes crypt and the Initiative caves, as well as the moonlight, all near perfect and hyper-realistic. The sexuality of this episode is a little more heightened, with skin, lover's intimate talk, provocative body language. Harmony, now, is kind of a mixed bag, in a good way. She has female intuition, vulnerable and comedic, and needy. I thought it was funny that she was "into" looking at Spike's Brain and wanted to stick her fingers in there -- something more like a demon personality trait, human Harmony would not feel that way. But Harmony was also extremely savage, wounding one and killing the other security guards -- ( Spike did not take them out, Harmony did) and attacking Riley like a wild animal, nearly killing him, with Riley still having extra strength from the heart chip. Part of the hidden theme is that no one is exactly who they say they are, everyone has stuff going on they hide under the surface. The riddle of Dawn has yet to be laid out -- she seems to have a strange effect on people -- some people see it immediately, and some just discount it. In the Season 4 finale, (the dream sequences indicate a bunch of clues, about the morning sun. Faith and Buffy made a bed in The season 3 finale in a dream and dream Faith talked about the bed was for Little Miss Muffet, Another dream in season 4 Faith and Buffy in a dream talked about little sis coming, and at the end the Tara avatar in Buffy's dream told her to "Be back before Dawn", and the clock was stuck at 7:30 in the morning in all 3 dreams. Dawn seems like an ordinary girl with her diaries (which I guess she admitted are faked? what?) and int her inner monologues we hear that she is normal. I think the actress is too old for the part, tho. Dawn is 10? They had to retcon that I am sure because Michele is obviously a teenager, but the writing comes off as younger in the first few episodes, kinda whiney and little girly. This episode shows she has more going on, probably good to have a female writer who sees that. But Dawn is in 6 or 7th grade in school, so is still very close to her mommy, while Buffy is 20 going on 30, weight of the world, all that. And Buffy is starting to take it seriously already, not just at the season finales like previous years.
spikeysnack
2024-06-24 19:44:50 +0000 UTCSince you asked about the "Is it bigger than a bread box?" question: Apparently it originated on a 1950s TV quiz show "What's my line?" where celebrities guess peoples' jobs. It was Steve Allen's, one of the panelists, favorite line of questioning, first used in a 1953 episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyAcgQF5O-I
PT Gunn
2024-06-24 19:02:55 +0000 UTCSpike is abusive towards everyone. Never understood shippers who love a soulless demon so much.
Mementovitae
2024-06-24 16:03:57 +0000 UTCThat ending started a trend of me just bursting out laughing whenever they even hinted at the two of them being together. Despite it being the most popular ship for Buffy in the fandom, I also find it to be the most ridiculous. Though I do love the enemies to lovers side of it, I would've shipped her more with S2 big bad Spike than S5 neutered puppy Spike.
Infinity Games
2024-06-24 14:29:40 +0000 UTCXander trying to explain Riley's perspective without betraying information made in confidence and none of the Scoobies got it. At least Anya was trying to be reassuring.
James Smith
2024-06-24 11:50:19 +0000 UTCWith the money, Spike wanted half now, Buffy ripped the money in half 😂 She would give Spike the other half if he found Riley.
CeNedra
2024-06-24 11:07:56 +0000 UTCHarmony is one of my favourites! She has great chemistry with Spike. But their scenes make me a bit uncomfortable because Spike often comes off quite abusive towards her.
Rebecca
2024-06-24 10:54:32 +0000 UTCGirl your reaction to this Spike/Buffy moment was THE MOST fun to watch lmao
Melissa Reynolds
2024-06-24 10:24:01 +0000 UTCI've been so excited for you to reach this part of the show!!! :D
doctrfaustus
2024-06-24 10:14:26 +0000 UTCSpike is still soulless, the chip is just keeping him from killing humans. This episode proves that him believing the chip was out, he went straight to murder.
carly powell
2024-06-24 08:33:28 +0000 UTCI agree. And to add to that, I'm quite sure that you can tape torn dollar bills together again and they're still legal currency. So if Buff had actually given the other halves of the bills to Spike, he'd have got the money.
Markus E.
2024-06-24 07:48:13 +0000 UTCI think you misunderstood the tearing the money thing. Buffy was not calling off the deal: Spike asked for half the money in advance. By tearing the bills in half Buffy gave him the half he asked for, but in a way that would not help him at all.
Steve Quinn
2024-06-24 07:24:00 +0000 UTCVampires care as much as they can, which also depends on the vampire, and who they were before they turned. Even psychopaths can feel and care, they just lack empathy and remorse.
Morgan Williams
2024-06-24 07:06:30 +0000 UTCWelcome to the wacky world of Spuffy. It's one of the evergreen unhinged ships.
Raymond Simon
2024-06-24 07:05:35 +0000 UTCThe chip has no say in how Spike feels except for that without it he wouldn't be in the situation where he now does, given how it changed his circumstances.
Morgan Williams
2024-06-24 07:03:11 +0000 UTCThat dream sequence with Buffy and Spike was pretty hot.
Morgan Williams
2024-06-24 06:53:25 +0000 UTCI agree enemies to lovers is where it's at, and I wish shows would do it more.
Morgan Williams
2024-06-24 06:51:36 +0000 UTCAbout the enemies-to-lovers thing....do you remember in Season 4, "Who Are You" when Faith was in Buffy's body? She confronted Spike in the Bronze, told him what she could do to him, came in real close as if she just might, and then walked away? Well, as far as we know because it didn't happen onscreen, Spike never learned that was Faith and not Buffy! He still thinks *Buffy* said and did those things to him, and I feel that was a turning point in his obsession. Because yes, we've been noticing hints all along, but it seems to have ramped up after that. Perhaps it planted a seed in Spike's mind of a possibility, and his subconscious latched onto it. I love that desperate, "Oh God, NO!" as he woke up.
RavenLord
2024-06-24 06:24:27 +0000 UTCIt's always a hoot to watch the shock and disbelief on people's faces at the end of this episode! The writers do a great job laying the groundwork for this moment. Suddenly the mannequin Spike fished out of the garbage takes on a different meaning, as does his tolerance for Harmony (another other girly blonde)...
Mornir
2024-06-24 06:03:02 +0000 UTC
