Zach's Got a Problem... Dropouts #221

sure, but usually addictive people are addictive personalities, so the addiction isn't necessarily the one thing, it's addictive things are hard to stop

Colin MacFarlane

Addiction is addiction. There is not a huge difference. Either one could lose everything at any time. Coming from a facilitator of group therapy for people with addictions. If this becomes more frequent for him it will be extremely concerning.

Mandy Sommers

Alcohol addiction is what runs in his family. There's a complete difference between alcohol addiction and gambling addiction. I have had multiple family members with an alcohol addiction that gamble and know when to stop

Bryce

There is a complete difference between a gambling addiction and an alcohol addiction

Bryce

Bro the discourse in the comment section is literally cuz of 2 misunderstandings 1. If you TALK to someone not be in a relationship but TALK then Zach is right, if not depending on the severity of the breakup Alyssa is right (which 9 times out of 10 she would be because most breakups suck) 2. They were not trying to completely change Alyssa's mind, even with the 2% question, she was the only one disagreeing so Jared wanted to see what her perspective was and Zach was trying to see if she could see it from his perspective and like Zach get the gambling problem under control man, like take jareds advice to learn when to stop (he acc said he knew so idek what he's doing), like upwards of 80 grand is INSANE

Arsh Morani

whats cba

Arsh Morani

I went back and listened to her responses, and for someone who thinks she needs to grow yo find love, she seems pretty adamant and obstinate in her relationship perspectives

EatMeOuT

The patriarchy reee

EatMeOuT

Mmmm gambling the Patreon money.

Chris Mohammed

If addiction runs in Zach’s family, this gambling is not good. Doesn’t sound like any level of moderation.

Chris Mohammed

I hear what Alyssa is saying 1000% I think she just wasn’t able to get her point across. Also I think her version of starting out “rough” and the guys version is way different. You can’t compare learning the piano “rough” to relationship rough. She seeing it more as fighting and forcing the feelings or constantly not seeing eye to eye or other relationship hardships that could happen but shouldn’t happen in the early years and not be worked through “easily”. Again so hard to get the point across like she was trying to do too.

Mikayla Morfey

Yikes? She was spot on and I agree with her! The boys were really small minded here. Can it work, sure, but once there is a break up it’s like trying to rebuild trust that’s broken, imo.

Lexi Bacon

I think a lot of us have this experience unfortunately

Venus

Agreed - the “I would see your point if you made a compelling argument” and then saying “see you’re thinking this is an argument” at the end was off the rails. And like I don’t not like Zach I think they have qualities but this isn’t it and I hope this podcast acts a mirror for their own growth. We’re all learning. Lots of of compassion for the process but definitely still needing a bit of push in growth here.

Venus

We’re all learning 💖

Venus

“communion” by bell hooks is a great read - as well “as all about love” (obviously)

Venus

And what it means to give multiple chances to people who do not know or do not have an interest to learn and grow with you because it’s not been a requirement up until this century. Meeting someone again after they have grown on their own is an entirely different scenario - one that I actually think is really beautiful and I want that for all of us. But we need to show up for ourselves first and lay the groundwork on our own.

Venus

1. It’s giving karmic lessons. Some people will be in your life for seasons others will stay through many - either way we gotta keep it movin 2. This conversation is happening against the backdrop of patriarchy and within the context of hetero perspectives. It makes sense Alyssa sees it differently because the female experience is different… up until VERY recently women were expected to complete the family unit, be the accessory to a man’s life, bend to his every need, be the only emotional support in his life etc etc and in some circles this is sadly still very much alive. It’s only been in the past 20 years we’ve been able to ascend the sexist and disempowering roles we’ve been put in. So when we talk about relationships with men - let’s not forget what’s happened or is happening in the background.

Venus

Y'all ain't never lucid dreamed?? I can control some aspects of my dream depending on how aware I am

Ashlynn willis

That last conversation really gave insight into Alyssa's mentality... Yikes lol

EatMeOuT

That's what you got from this conversation? 🤣

Ante Proctor

Skylar getting back together with his ex. ????

Rentalgutsz

That dog is so cute

Henry Anderson

I get you Alyssa, and Zack I see why you don’t have a gf lol :)

Jacklyn Mariah

I love that Jared visualizes music videos before he goes to sleep 😍

McKenna

So true. It was really starting to annoy me by the end.

Alejandro

The Alyssa gaslighting at the end was real.

Alejandro

I didn't laugh once during the blackjack part. This is scary. Zach literally said he couldn't stop. 🤦🏾‍♂️

Ante Proctor

Go Alyssa

Elissa

wow alyssa saying she needs someone to be an addition to her life rather than the thing that makes her whole was so well said

destiney

Zack didn't want to drink alcohol because his dad was an alcoholic. But ADDICTION is what runs in the family. He Absolutely NEEDS to STOP!

Jamie Lone

Make me 😝

Cassi Steinbeisser

zach i feel like ur aware alyssa has a hard time putting her opinions into words so you use that as an advantage to try to make her look stupid lol.

Alyssa Valley

I think a good question for each person to explain what “cheating” means to them. Also give examples of physical and emotional cheating

Kayla G

This was really profound! I totally get what you’re saying. Love is always a risk! But, it should not be your biggest problem or worry. Love should fulfill you, compliment you and ADD to your life. Not subtract. If there’s a lot of bickering early on, that’s a huge indicator of what the majority of the relationship will feel like. There’s too many fish in the sea to get caught up in a net with one that’s not your best fit. Explore, we only have this one life to do so! Don’t let your head limit ya:)

Lexi Bacon

I think generally if you're breaking up for the second or third time, it's best it call it there and move on. I agree with Alyssa in that sometimes it's just not going to work because some people are just fundamentally too incompatible for a healthy romantic relationship to exist. No amount of going away to work on yourself will significantly change who you are as a person fundamentally. But perhaps it can help things like working on things like past traumas for example. I can understand where Zach is coming from in that if you think this person is worth fighting for, then you should but you also need to know when to stop and accept it just isn't going to work.

ryan

I feel like where Zach and Alyssa differ on this is that she has more of a black and white view of it whereas Zach sees the nuance in it, especially with how she phrased it. It’s fair to say most wouldn’t and the odds are against the couple that get back together, but still possible. And I agree that working on yourself is working on the relationship. Most relationship problems really are just people fighting their own reflections

Javiera

Not all drugs are bad. Casually using a drug to have a good time once and again, is fine. Theres no reason to say it’s ‘bad’ full stop, it’s about how and why you use it.

Kimiko Wotherspoon-Smith

Weed *can* be used for good things. More often than not though, it's used as a drug, which is bad.

Brock

the conversation about re-entering a relationship multiple times is an insane amount of coping from Zach, Jared, and Skylar to justify their own past toxic relationships. If it doesn't work once and you try again, that's okay. But if it has failed multiple times, there is a clear disconnect that cannot and will not ever be fixed.

Brock

totally agree!

Lexi Bacon

Exactly! I think you can "battle" for a relationship and put in the work when you are 1 year, 1.5years together. And I believe this is the period that makes most of relationships ends. Because people don't want to go through that phase. Now to do that with 1 month, it's just not meant to be lol.

nkft

yes! I love this group

nkft

I’m not saying she’s wrong, I get both of their sides. I think a lot like her actually. But it’s true that the timing could be wrong in a relationship until you meet again at a later time. I will say her point about “why break up in the first place?” was also true. Working on yourself doesn’t need to end in a break up, it could just be that. You work on yourself and your relationship and if everything fails, then sure you break up and maybe you don’t get back together. (But maybe you do!) Also, I think that while her working on herself before getting into a relationship is important and definitely the best route to take, sometimes you could spend forever working on yourself. You’ll never really be 100% “ready” because you’re always growing and changing. There could come a time where you meet Mr. Right but you’re so focused on being better that you reject the opportunity because you think you’re still not ready. Which ties into what they were originally saying about coming back together at a later time. I’m a lot like Alyssa actually lol sometimes I wish I could just go for it like the boys do but I’m so comfortable now and so much in my own head that I won’t. I just hope she doesn’t get comfortable being safe from love. Love is a risk in the end.

Phylicia

Alyssa is so underrated, so wise and misunderstood, cus communication on the spot can be really hard to articulate. That keeps me up at night too LOL. If Alyssa and Skyler left the pod it wouldn’t be the same - their personalities and perspectives have added a lot to the pod :)

Lexi Bacon

wait what this “advice” they gave sounded like HORRIBLE advice, Alyssa was the only level headed one on this episode, imo.

Lexi Bacon

Alyssa: “A year and a month is a BIG difference” Zach: “not necessarily” No, YES, necessarily it is a BIG difference. You are encouraging a very unhealthy relationship to continue in hopes their “growth” is enough to make what once didn’t work, work. Ex means PAST for a reason, leave them there. You’re not going that way anymore. I’ve tried this before and it ended worse. Spare your feelings. Love and good sex is not enough - you have to compliment each other, work well together, communicate to understand and if there is personal growth needed then focus on that!

Lexi Bacon

YEah i have a flirty personality but in a relationship, im loyal as fuckk but my personality can get in the way but I never mean it in that way

Kayla whiting

Puppy is so cute.

Kayla whiting

Smile :)

Derek Clarkson

Am I the only one who wants them to bring back the baby grunk joke again

Ian Mintz

What’s crazy to say? That her boss that signs her paycheck cares about her well being? Everyone can have their opinions but clearly her views are more negative compared to the other 3 hosts. Those 3 are closer to her than you & I are strangers on the internet. If they say she is sad and stays home all day sleeps 12 hours I guess I’m not that sad compared to her makes me feel better about my situation lol.

HeyitsAmy

yall need to watch the new rebel ridge movie on Netflix 10/10 great movie!!! also love yall you guys are literally the only reason i still watch youtube 🫶🏼

Mya Jones

In your opinion though. Everyone has a coping mechanism.

🌻Mariah🌻

weed becomes a problem when you use it as a coping mechanism other than that, pretty harmless

Troy Aladi

PUPPY

Rachel Bonacci

The puppy 😅

molly danielson

Just my experience not saying it’ll happen to everyone

Cassi Steinbeisser

I’ve done the separating and then getting back together thing in my case it led to him disrespecting me and being emotionally abusive and making me do everything but telling me I’m nothing and so much worse when I had the strength to leave

Cassi Steinbeisser

in hs, I dated a guy for a few months. mentally I was not in the right place, and he was my first REAL boyfriend. we dated for a few months and things didn’t work out. After covid hit we discussed how we were working on ourselves, and ended up helping eachother grow into who we want to be. We are still together over 4 years later, and he has helped me feel supported in my own personal growth. i’m a very anxious and dependent person, but with him I have been able to work on not only our relationship but focus on myself with him behind me cheering me on. I get the not wanting to lose them thing, but how beautiful is it to have someone you’re so worried to lose

Kaitlyn Cynthia

I just got a call saying the AZ dropout show was cancelled?

Kaylee

I’m genuinely concerned with Zach’s gambling 😭

Zoe

I just realized Zach is gonna be beast when he does that celebrity poker thing again

Ben Melton

As a budtender, it painfully kills me how scared Zach is of weed. STATISTICALLY speaking, gambling has ruined more lives than weed. Weed is medicine for some people and it’s a great alternative for things such as ibuprofen and Tylenol/ great for stress relief. If your nerves are around lung cancer then there are healthy alternatives for that as well.

🌻Mariah🌻

I can somewhat agree to the original perspective I think Alyssa had. Jumping in and out of a relationship with someone to bang someone else or "work on yourself" is not conducive to a long term relationship with them. If this relationship is everything connection wise it should be then you work on things separately within the relationship and together. Introducing other people and potential physical or emotional attachments won't help things in the long run. I can see everyone else's point too though.

Joel Nunya

Well it's been real fun being patreon but cba anymore content fell off.

Nivson Guedes

Hm well you may think she’s wrong for thinking that way you could’ve said that in a better way than “very ignorant” even if not meant in a bad way…

Des

Omg I loved this episode. I was not anticipating an episode with the boys giving SUCH good relationship advice. They sound like they’d make really good boyfriends lol I also think Alyssa is gonna find love when she least expects it.

Phylicia

WHO is the new host?

Bt

good

𝗆𝖾𝗀𝗁𝖺𝗇

Great episode loved it

Blackz Blackwood

I had sleep paralysis once and dreamt someone was broke in and cut me from the no no area up while I was screaming trying to wake up my sister but no sound came out lol

Cassi Steinbeisser

i think this was one of my favorite episodes you guys have released. in some ways, more often than not, i resonate with alyssa’s views when it comes to relationships. while i see the point zach, jared, and skylar are making and can agree to a certain extent with it, i also believe in my core that if couples are constantly breaking when things get hard and only want the rainbows and sunshine’s of relationship, it isn’t meant to last. i also agree with her on the “right person wrong time” argument (?) if the person was right for you all along, why is now the wrong time? if they were the right person, wouldn’t have god (or universe, whatever higher being/power you believe) have ensured that the time was right? so in my opinion, no it is the right time and right person. but as a lesson for you to have learned. idkkk this is just my rambling and what i have come to learn myself. i also do wanna say, i enjoyed this episode a lot and this gave me an insight into things that i haven’t thought about. i will probably, just like alyssa, also think of everything that was discussed before bed🤭🤭

katrina

I like the podcast but this is the most out of touch Zach has sounded literally throwing money away, might just go back to a YouTube listener

Fister Miyagi

Love that Zach has a puppy ❤️

Cassi Steinbeisser

I agree with Alyssa. If you break up with someone it’s for a reason. With personal experience, trust issues is a big concern. If I’m hurt once why would I want a chance to get hurt again? Ik they’re trynna help her branch out but her opinion is still valid🙂‍↕️

Rhendi

High keyyyy

Venus

And it doesn’t sound like u need to raise the Patreon price

will

Cool to know where our money goes lol

will

Gambling can cripple your entire business and relationships in a very short period of time. You won’t even know it’s happening by the time it does. Nip it in the bud now before you can’t pay your employees

Anon95

Her point was if you break up every time it becomes difficult and then get back together, that’s not demonstrative of a good long term relationship. She didn’t say working through issues and staying together was impossible.

Anon95

I think both Zach and Skyler have on again off again relationships happening now so they were speaking from their own experiences

Anon95

The clapping for random shit is so funny lol

heather sutherland

Not even close

Dropouts Podcast

I think its more of what she thinks its better for her. Your situation is totally possible and I actually live that in my life as well so YAYY haha. But I believe her point was more about herself and the choice she makes, you know? I think is totally valid and ok for you to go around until you find someone that you are compatible from the jump. I know many couples like this and I think is a matter of what you want for your life

nkft

And she’s firm on my situation not being possible

Elisha

you cannot say she is "very ignorant" because of your story. There will be multiple instances of couples that broke up and got back together and worked throught it all. There also will be a lot of stories about couples that didn't work and were better off going different paths. Both things can be true.

nkft

LOL what a crazy thing to say

nkft

Alyssa opinion being invalidated was kinda crazy lol. She has the right to believe on that and I agree with the point she made. Whats even crazier is that, correct me if I am wrong, Zach and Skyler are both single and Jared just got into a relationship. How could they have a definitive answer of what is the right or wrong path in this situation and not a matter of different views on the subject?? But I also agree with what they said and I think both things can be true. Not necessarily one above the other.

nkft

Thank you I appreciate it and it is a new beginning I just wasn’t ready for it

Jullien

Aw Alyssa I agree with you on the last point they were all trying to talk you out of. It’s okay for you to have a different opinion than them! Everyone has different wants and needs in relationships. Personally, if I broke up with someone I couldn’t see myself getting back with them. And I totally get taking time to work on yourself before getting into a relationship. That’s what I did and now I’m with the love of my life : )

jocat

i feel like our brains wouldn’t rot anymore than it did during last weeks after school special with them talking about shitting themselves for 45 min🤣

kaylin

every end is a new beginning 🌟 rooting for your happiness!

Lexi Bacon

love you guys love the pod i watch every one fans, don’t attack me honest opinion this one was kinda boring just going on about zach gambling & that whole rambling about that scenario 🫣

Treasure Grace

Seriously…he’s charming in a way, and handsome, I guess, but that’s about it. Most of the stuff that comes out of his mouth and Jakes mouth is just childish cringe humor stuff. They seem nice enough but I can’t sit through a whole video of that. My brain will start melting lol

jocat

Screaming crying throwing up bc the money yall spend is a million bucks in my eyes

Rhendi

is this why they wanted to charge $10 now instead of $5

Samantha.

Please, no. Brain rot

Anon95

Can you guys please have carrington on the pod

kaylin

new puppy!!! I couldn’t take my eyes of her, she’s so sweet!

Maya

I’m not really a big commenter but my now ex girlfriend just broke up with me last night and I have nobody I can really talk to about it and I just needed to blow some steam off about it but this podcast is honestly a big help on the only reason of why I have smiled today it’s been pretty rough anyway sorry for the rest of you that have to see this

Jullien

I have to agree with Alyssa based on multiple experiences. If you couldn't work on your relationship together without breaking up it will never work.

April Key

Dang I thought I was sad but then I hear Alyssa and feel better about myself. They were trying so hard to help her but she seemed helpless. Alyssa they don’t want to see you end up alone just listen to Zach he means well I think.

HeyitsAmy

Alyssa needs to be on one David YouTube videos

Ben Melton

Aww the wee puppy 🥹

Aria Hanna

The real reason Zach wanted to raise the Patreon price : more $ to lose gambling

Des

🎂 congrats. Here you go.

Elisha

Um. Zach does have a problem.

Elisha

Ew.

Elisha

Alyssa is very ignorant when it comes to relationships and I’m not saying it’s a bad thing but she is completely wrong about a lot of things because my fiancé and I have known each other for 12 years and when we first met each other, he was very controlling and I was very, very much hard-core feminist, and we did not get along.but overtime we grew and we changed and we got together and we talked and things just worked out and we’re engaged and we’ve been together for seven years and we’re getting married next year. People do change and it could be wrong place wrong time.

Elisha

Love the fact that the guys are trying to help Alyssa overcome her insecurities about being in a relationship

Palak Sharma

If it’s any consolation or validation. My wife and I started out rough and was up and down a lot and now we are happily married of 8 years with two kids. A lot of it is maturing emotionally and both loving each other and being a better communicator

Andrew

Awww…handsome’s got company…Lady May is so cute 🥺💞

Palak Sharma

Zach’s got to work on his gambling addiction..hope it doesn’t turns to obsession of losing money 🤞🏻

Palak Sharma

🐑😴

Ailsie Path 🌹

When I lived in Japan for 8 years, one of my jobs was at a Pachinko machine Casio. These machines have pegs in them, similar to Plinko on the price is right, and everyday they would go around with this book and hammer and knock the pegs. There had to be a way to win, but they had the rule book and knew exactly which machines. Cameras everywhere and would put machines out of order etc. Very rigged I have a lucky friend here. He goes to the Casio and he knows usually before he walks in if he feels he will win or not. He says You Have to be ready to leave without playing if the feeling isn't right. He also knows when to stop. It's a feeling. Good luck Zach Know when to play and when to stop. It's not only about being Lucky, awesome you are though.

Ailsie Path 🌹

Oh brother

Anon95

Ailsie Path 🌹

OMG STOP THE PUPPY IM OBSESSED

Talia Ingram

Have to say I completely agree with Alyssa on the point of repeatedly breaking up and getting back together. It’s usually a toxic pattern that worsens every time. I’m also a big believer on what is meant to be will be. ❤️

Tara Rae

I really enjoyed the bit about relationships!

Liz Grobe

bro i had tan and grey gerbils that did that exact same shit it was GNARLY

𝗆𝖾𝗀𝗁𝖺𝗇

She’s so cute!!!

Cassi Steinbeisser

On a serious note Zach really needs to stop gambling, I don’t know a single person that gambled with a happy ending

Mzx28

Oh mine gosh I want a bulldog so bad lady May is so adorable

Ben Melton

this made me so angry to listen too 😭😂 ZACH

Bri

When I saw that in the description I knew it was deceptive

Ocxlus

Skylar saying what’s up bitches reminded me of indi starting off the pod with what’s up b-words 😭

Liz Grobe

Yall should do a show in Bismarck, North Dakota!

Emma Ruona

was having a boring day thank god you guys dropped a new episode

bren

second

Bri

First

Heather Jones