Cleric Subclasses Ranking

I would be interested to see how you would rank sub classless classes-for example is the base cleric class good enough to get a c ranking without a subclass

Daniel Renzi

Yeah, it’s just the 15 Str vs 14 Dex seems like a big deal to me in in point but.

Krakenbreath

Good point about spiritual weapon and Touch of Death, don't know why I didn't think of that. With Medium/Heavy armor basically there is a switch off between Str and Dex. The heavy armor Cleric goes Str, the Med armor Cleric goes Dex.

Treantmonk's Temple

Really liked the cleric spell list evaluation. I never outright thought of that before but I think you’re right. I love the grave domain but you’re totally right that some features are only good if you have characters going down frequently. A couple of points on the video. For death domain, spiritual weapon is a melee spell attack, so Touch of Death isn’t at all hard to pull off. Also, is it worth getting into the strength 15 movement nuance of heavy armour vs medium? In point buy, this is a real thing , although I’d concede there a number of workarounds (extra movement and stick with low strength, go with a dwarf).

Krakenbreath

Yes! I thought I was a crazy person because I've thought for a while clerics had one of the weakest spell lists. It's good through the first 3 levels and then falls off a cliff to the point spell levels 6-9 are just bad in comparison to other caster classes.

joseph Robideaux

You are correct, 9th level is an error. Thanks!

Treantmonk's Temple

Yes, that is an error

Treantmonk's Temple

Harness Divine Power lets you regain a spell slot equal to half your proficiency rounded UP. I think you state you regain a 1st level slot until 9th level when really you can regain 2nd level slot at 5th or did I misread* something?

Cleric was sooo much better than wizards in the early first editions of D&D but now they made then… okay. Wizards do not break/due as easily at low level now, they have 400% more spells at first level plus rituals, and have some armor options with Mage Armor at first level. Clerics are my emotional favorite but no question they are comparatively weaker in 5e. Makes me sad and I find myself playing marital classes more, if there are two wizards or well built warlocks/sorcerers, rather than a cleric. I mean in most cases why bother? Peace or Twilight domain in a one shot maybe but otherwise not my style.

Glenn Wilson

Love clerics all the way back to their creation. Speaking of which: Do you have creation bard placed in the A tier erroneously on this video?

Mark William Cooley

This series is by far my favorite that you have done. So much so that I stayed up to 11:30 to watch it before turning in. Really do appreciate your thoughts on this.

Bryan S. Warren

I have a Cleric that started with two levels of paladin. Then all remaining levels in Cleric, Order Domain. Hold Person is an enchantment spell…

Just putting this out there…