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iOS In App Fees Increasing on Patreon starting November 1st - CHECK YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS!

Hey everyone!

This issue is a little complex, and going to effect different creators you may follow or support in different ways, so please read carefully through the information below to ensure your Patreon bill does not suddenly jump almost 50%.

Quick TLDR:

Subscription Prices Increasing

As you may have already heard, starting next month (November 1st 2024) Apple are going to apply their (appalling) 30% fee to any purchases made on Patreon via the iOS app. This will apply to subscriptions to creators as well as any one-time purchases. Patreon have very kindly given us the option to absorb those costs ourselves, but as I'm sure you can all imagine, an overnight 30% decrease in income is not sustainable for anyone so most creators will probably be forced to increase their prices on the iOS app.

This actually means those prices will increase by around 45% so that the creator still gets the same level of income after the change (see the table in the header image of this post). Unless you want to suddenly start paying almost 50% more just for the honour of subscribing on the iOS app, you can easily avoid these fees by simply subscribing via either the desktop site or android app instead, as those prices will remain the same.

Subscription Billing System Being Enforced

One of Patreon's greatest benefits as a platform was that they had a variety of different business models to suit a variety of different creators needs. I have always used the 'Per Creation' billing model, as it allows greater flexibility for me and my team, and allows you as patrons to choose how much you want to or can afford to support us.

However, Apple have decided that they will only support the Subscription Billing system on their app. Subscription Billing has a fixed monthly price for each tier, rather than the flexible options of Per Creation billing. It also has some other intricacies that will make things very difficult for a variety of creators, but for you as patrons the change in pricing is going to be the most obvious.

Patreon could have simply chosen to drop the iOS app and continued to allow creators the choices they built their business around, but based on some opaque data they refuse to share, they believe that keeping the iOS app is worth all the changes, and as the billing system has to be global across all versions of the app and site it will effect every creator regardless of if they want it or not.

How does this effect my subscription to Tom Cartos or TC Modern?

Apple have given those of us on the 'Per Creation' billing system one years grace before being forced to switch to Subscription Billing, and Patreon have promised new tools will be ready by then to make the switch relatively simple and painless.

They have also promised that any patrons signed up at the time the switch happens will not be effected at all. We as creators are holding them very close to these promises and are in conversation with them about how this will happen. We will give you more information as it becomes official closer to the time (November 2025).

During the next year, we will simply be hidden entirely on the iOS version of the app, but business will continue as normal on the desktop site and Android version of the app, so according to this poll, 95% of you will be entirely unaffected and probably not even notice the change.

How Can We as Patrons Help You?

At this point there is little that can be done to change or stop this, however if you wish to let Patreon know how you feel about these enforced changes, or have questions you would like answered by them directly, you can contact them via their support system here. There is a drop down option for 'Subscription Billing/In-App Purchases'. They have told us that they will take your feedback into account when creating these new 'tools' for the changeover in November next year.

You can also delete the iOS version of the app. Its only purpose now is to charge you more money for no extra benefit, and perhaps this will help skew their 'data' for any future choices made.

If you have any other questions, let me know in the comments below and I will do my best to answer. If you have questions about other creators specifically, please reach out to them directly as this effects all of us slightly differently. I will continue to keep you updated about any new information that arises.

Tom

iOS In App Fees Increasing on Patreon starting November 1st - CHECK YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS!

Comments

I don't want to use an app. I'm happy using a browser. I wish these companies would stop forcing apps on us we don't want.

Theala Sildorian

I don't know honestly. You could ask Patreon directly, but I'd be surprised if they had a way to do this. If you do un-sub/re-sub make sure you wait until the 1st November to resub so you don't get double charged for October by any creators with 'Charge Up Front' enabled.

Tom Cartos

Is there a way to see which ones I've subscribed to through the app, or should I just go through the app and unsubscribe from all?

Brad Thomson

Well luckily I didn’t even know there was an iOS app… but seriously; fuck apple.

Clay Bell

Love options 4&5 ^_^

Steve Skirata

No problem- I don’t have the same community that you do so it’s much more manageable if there’s an issue, that is just the information I have received so wanted to share. Keep up the good work.

Damien Holder

Hi Damien, I believe you are correct, however Patreon have not been entirely consistent about this in their posts and communication. Also with their track record on billing issues, their is also a chance it goes wrong anyway, so to ensure patrons aren't getting unnecessarily charged more I am recommending the unsub/resub.

Tom Cartos

Doesn't increase for old subscribers so far. They are forcing changes and don't think they will stop. I prefer paying on 1st of month. Now in recent future I'll have to manually unsubscribe on multiple creators and wait for first of month to subscribe

25shadow25

Hi Tom. Fellow Creator here. Unless I misunderstand (especially as I’m already using a Subscription model), the fee increase ONLY applies to new subscribers and purchases. Existing members won’t be affected which means they shouldn’t need to leave and resub. Hope that helps (and that I’m correct!)

Damien Holder

I hear you can also leave reviews for apps too....

Tom Cartos

I guess the MOST IMPORTANT PART for now is the following: "You can also delete the iOS version of the app. Its only purpose now is to charge you more money for no extra benefit, and perhaps this will help skew their 'data' for any future choices made." I would even go farther: "You SHOULD uninstall the iOS version of the app." Each installed app contributes into forcing Patreon to submit to the Apple Tax.

paercebal

I've been getting that wrong for 30 years, so at least I'm consistent.

Tom Cartos

(Btw can I be the hideously pedantic bumhole to point out that “affect” is the verb and “effect” is the noun? Sorry. I can’t help myself)

James Treadwell

Thank you very much. It’s helpful to have the issue laid out so clearly. I’m sure we all appreciate the link to Patreon’s feedback area too.

James Treadwell


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