Elemental Edits?

I really like your first design. I'm just super excited to get these, in the Clan Invasion box. I think the huge missiles are too much. I think you should DEFINITELY keep the lower torso grills, as those are a solid, yet unobtrusive, tie in, to the old art.

Joshua Bressel

New design looks fantastic! Great work! The ONLY detail id say i like about the first one is the smaller missiles.

Andrew McKenna

The newer design is rather lacking in terms of presence compared to the older one. The knee protection is a nice addition though and I would argue that the chest piece does look more martial. Also, first comment on your Patreon :) Happy to be here! *flies away*

Maxime C. Rosa

honestly, these changes made to appease your patrons were garbage. you did your best to try and make them work, but no, back to the first iteration. again, the only problem I really had with the missile launchers is that they don't look like they can hold the second salvo. this can be solved either by widening the launchers, or on the back connecting them to a common mechanisim that feeds from between the shoulders. the missiles in the tubes look good especially if there are doors or blow apart covers on the launchers

James Bixby

Hard hard pass on the bullet bills. Those are ridiculous.

Paul Mabbott

Like the chest and feet on the left (original) version. The chest protruding more just makes it seem like you could stick a big muscled human in there and have some armor too. Your original missile design is far superior. Armored knees? Hmmm, not sure, I could go either way....

Brian Sausley

The large protruding missile tips on the right version make it significantly less believable that there is a reload sitting in the launcher somewhere...I can believe in a reload with the left sculpt, but not the right sculpt.

Danny

The right has a better chest and head in my opinion. The left has better everything else. In particular, not a huge fan of the Madonna missile tits, that just seems like a terrible idea for a front line unit.

Sororitas Cupid

Yeah the improvements are great!

Steven Cross

Thinks that were added and I like them: - Less head armor (it feels more toadish) - Chunkier toes - Full knee armor Others I mostly dislike

These I like: -Bigger laser -Less chest slope -Full knee armor -Chunkier toes The rest, not so much.

Kargush

The first picture is better .)

Michal Bernkopf

The one on the right is perfect, but it should retain the ribbed look for the "belly" area.

-Bigger laser: Both work for me -Less head armor: Both okay -Less chest slope: No, the left one looks definitely better -No underside grills: Both okay -Bullet Bill missiles: Definitely not, the one on the left looks so much better -Full knee armor: Both okay -No ankle flexibility for more armor: Don't know -Chunkier toes: Yeah, they work

Personally, I don’t have a problem with any of the edits except the elimination of the ankle joint. It doesn’t really make sense. It causes a mobility issue.

And of course in a dream world you'd be allowed to use all of your ideas and create a different set of armour for every Clan! ... since most (if not all) have had their own production lines for decades.

I'm on board with all of the edits that were passed down to you (especially the thicker toes) except the head armour and chest slope. The way you originally have it (left) produces a much more interesting shape/ silhouette and in my opinion are somewhat closer to the original Venters 'blueprints' [ which I regard as sacrosanct, frankly :) ] The flexible ankles did make a lot more sense as well.

I do like right except for the legs, I think they need the bigger feet/knee guards while still having an ankle joint. The missiles are silly but scream Elemental at me.

Chris L

I like the housing for the missiles on the right better, but I like the left's recessed/not-protruding missiles. I am not feeling that larger laser at all. It looks way oversized compared to the rest of the armor. The rest of it I'm cool either way.

Robert Schuster

For art, the one on the left is a better look, and instantly identifiable. If we're talking about a 6mm miniature, the one on the right has two positives: -"heroic scale" weapons - less fiddly-to-paint detail and weak points around the ankles. So I guess it depends what the intended outcome is, but compromise makes the world go round :)

David

-Bigger laser - I'm cool with this change. -Less head armor - Not a big fan, I prefer the beefier look of the first design. -Less chest slope - I could go either way on this one to be honest. -No underside grills - Not a fan, I vastly prefer the look with the grills. -Bullet Bill missiles - Not a huge fan. The bigger missiles just don't quite look right. -Full knee armor - I'm okay with this change. -No ankle flexibility for more armor - Not too keen, I more prefer the more mobile look. -Chunkier toes - I could go either way on those.

Your original is better.

Tyler Erickson

I prefer everything on the first sculpt, except the chest. I like the chest armour more on the redone concept sketch, and this is only because I feel the first sculpt has the chest protruding out too much (which I mentioned in my comments on that in its own thread)...the chest of the first one reminds me too much of a cockatoo's beak. Other than that though, I much prefer the first sculpt.

Danny

I like the bigger gun, the new middle racks, and the thicker legs. I dislike the flatter chest, the lack of the grill, and the smaller head armour most of all.

Damen DeLeenheer

IMO ... - I don't like the bigger laser (but I guess it makes sense ... dude's hand has to fit in there, too, right?) - The head and torso changes are fine. - The SRMs do not look right ... how massive are SRMs? 10 kg each? No way that size makes sense. - Maybe there's some compromise between the two designs for the legs. What do the outside of the elbows look like? The general coverage and mobility of the legs should match that of the arms.

Joe M Emmert

I think I like all of it except the bullet bill missiles. I could go either way on the legs though.

Laser change is okay, And the head torso changes are fine for me. The legs on the left design are far better. And while I also prefer the missiles on the left I get the desire for derpy bullet missiles... But them cankles? Nope.

Stewart Spencer

I honestly think the image on the left is just about perfect. Maybe add some magnetic plates so they can attach to omnimechs, but other than that I dig it.

Missile tips can be removed, and replaced by holes, if so many against them.

right missile launchers, as homage to earlier designs. Elemental should have recognasible parts. Knees need magnet's plates.

I would say: missiles and legs from image 2 and splice them to image 1. Sorted!

-I can't tell much difference on the lasers, both look good to me. -Again can't see much difference on the heads, left looks better probably because it's not marked up. -Can't tell much on the chest -prefer the no-grills -Don't care for giant stick-out missiles -I have to go with the more articulated legs and feet. Covered knees look good but I think the knee armor would look silly paired with the smaller feet, which I prefer. Big robotic foot doesn't necessarily need to be big anime foot

-Bigger laser - This is already really believable and I feel is a minor change at worst, so meh. -Less head armor - I feel like this is related to the less head slope and the ribbing. All of those are pretty iconic to the toad suit, and getting rid of the ribbing is really stealing away what little cosmetics you can actually keep while making it believable. -Less chest slope - The original sketch does seem a little Trigger Fish-esque, so I understand that it might be a little much. I actually like the new concept more for the shape of the chest. -No underside grills - This edit is garbage. There, I said it. See what I said about the head armor for why. -Bullet Bill missiles - This makes virtually no sense to me. The missiles on the original sketch parallel the original elemental suit models great. I also cannot believe that the suit has a second reload of missiles that size. I know BT and ammo storage has always been mysterious, but that doesn't mean we have to honor that visually -Full knee armor - I don't mind this that much, but I feel like it's a needless change. -No ankle flexibility for more armor - I really feel like this is an attempt at an homage to the original Elemental design that never made sense. No ribbing, but also no ankle? C'mon. -Chunkier toes - Again, could take or leave. The only problem I have with the boot leg armor is removing ankle flexibility

Raymond White

I lean towards more (realistic) in terms of ankles and such, no flexibility just looks strange. Cool to see you coming to the community for feedback, so plus 100 on that front!

I agree with Ronald, a combo of the two is what I like. Same combo as Ronald!

I like the less sloped chest but don’t like the bullet bill missiles, I like the missile launcher on the left better. Also I like the knees and toes on the right. I like the flexible ankles as well

Dan Hegarty

I prefer the SRMs of the right side version. And maybe the knees, too. I don't like the torso section, it looks too much like a beak of an angry bird, IMHO.

Take the SRM launcher on the left, combine with upper body on right, and combine with the lower body on the left.

Uglier SRMs. I hate to say it, but those retarded looking triangles were pretty iconic of an Elemental.

capnbishop

I really like the right (new) design as it kind of regains a little "clunkiness". But I think the missile rack on the left (old) looks better... and maybe the less armored knees and I think the belly needs grills or slats. or something. But I'd say... the newer version is a better base piece.

Benjamin Myers (Bishop Steiner)

Like the full knee armor but the bullet bill missiles and lack of ankle flex kills me.

I liked the ol ankles. I think the missles look a little too round but then again I like the shorter “barrel” giving it the wacky ol elemental triangle shoulders. Is it just easier for the company to mold less detailed ankles and abs since these are so small?

8 x No to those edits from me. Especially the chunky toes. As for the others, I feel they would take the design in a too radically different way.

Jakob Fredensborg

Great to ask and to give us the chance to tell what we would like. Overall I like the left one more except the legs and knees and feet...this is where i like the right one more.

Henning Boessler