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This episode pissed me off soooo much. Rachel is a brat! I feel that Santana didn't have to tell Rachel she was auditioning. Many people look at Rachel's feelings about the audition but Santana has every right to audition without wondering if she'd get it because Rachel put in a good word, or, not get it in case Rachel sabatoged her secretly. Santana has the right to land a role on her OWN merit! Rachel brings up her point that Santana playing, Fanny, a Jewish girl, is like Rachel being the grand Marshall of the Puerto Rican day Parade, where was that thinking when she went to war to get the lead role of Maria (a latina) in West Side Story? The writers develope amnesia whenever they want to give Rachel an upper hand. Also Rachel who supposedly grew up knowing everything about theatre is so against having an understudy? Understudies are a must... this is always done in broadway. What's incredulous is that Santana saves Rachel's ass later on, because a performance Rachel swore she would never miss...she skips out on. I don't agree with Santana saying that she is the reason Rachel is driven, but I do wonder why she is so insecure & competitive with her roommates/classmates. What's that all about? She was downright hysterical over Santana being her understudy. I did however enjoy the friendship (as fleeting as it was) between Santana & Rachel.
PNAT0217
2024-01-03 10:01:42 +0000 UTCAwww Tartie ❤️ I love Kevin and Jenna’s friendship.
Kristin Baylor
2023-11-25 14:49:57 +0000 UTCBrave was amazing! i really wish we had more duets between those two. feud or not, at the end of the day, they're the most interesting character and best voices of the show for me.
leslie martin
2023-10-13 19:40:54 +0000 UTCi'm on Rachel's side, always. Santana never was interested in Broadway or Funny Girl, and she actually did auditioned just bc Rachel was being a diva and she was bored. it's just like in high school, Santana auditioned, she played with Finn, she bullied her, just bc she can and she was bored. Yes she had some growth over the show, and yes they've been friends lately, but friends would never do that to their friends. Also considering the fact Rachel just lost Finn and Funny Girl is the only thing bringing her joy is sad... Santana could have been the understudy, always, she's talented. But she should have said it to Rachel, bringing up the fact of "how cool would it be if we worked together" and everything. But she did auditioned just bc she was annoyed by Rachel and wanted to "put her back in her place". It's very high school Santana coded, sorry. Of course Rachel is annoying, and she was bad lots of times. But this time, to me, no. Also just auditioning with "don't rain" definitely shows that Santana knows Rachel so so much and knew she would hate it even more bc of it. Also, she auditioned knowing Rachel would be mad, so that just sums up the fact that yes, if you know your friend is going to get hurt/mad, you should at least try to talk to them before.. It's just sad that she chose to ruin the only good female friendship she had for 2 minutes just bc she was insecure... Also at the start of the episode Rachel says something like Santana shouldn't be embarrassed to talk to her bc they're friends... sad. It's just the same way Santana ruined every female friendship she had on the show so far, by stealing a boyfriend, a solo, a role, bc she was insecure and bored. Sad that the writers had to bring back her s2 self when she had made some progress in the last 2 seasons. Also idk why people are commenting about the fact that "Rachel should have told Santana about the understudy role" when Santana was NEVER interested in Broadway. She knows how Santana finds those Broadway talks super boring and "gay" (as she would say as an insult i guess) so why bother??
leslie martin
2023-10-13 18:34:01 +0000 UTCglee without conflict?... never!
Audrey McDonald ( Songs From A Suitcase)
2023-08-04 14:41:48 +0000 UTCeh. But she could have at least texted or called to say she was going. Yes Rachel could have gotten mad and tried to sabbotage it but then again what does that really say about their friendship at the root? idk
Audrey McDonald ( Songs From A Suitcase)
2023-08-04 13:59:40 +0000 UTCIt's hard because I feel like BOTH ladies went about things the wrong way. Some at the start and some as reaction. Im assuming theyll make up soon
Audrey McDonald ( Songs From A Suitcase)
2023-08-04 13:30:37 +0000 UTCyea it seems like both ladies need to put their egos aside and have a long good chat
Audrey McDonald ( Songs From A Suitcase)
2023-08-04 13:27:05 +0000 UTCI'm definitely split between the two. Yes, Santana 100% should have talked to Rachel first about her wanting to audition. There is no doubt in my mind about that. However, Rachel also did not tell Santana about the understudy auditions until the morning of and then Rachel walked out of the apartment right after telling her. And Rachel could have taken it a bit better (after the initial shock wore off). Santana also went WAY too far in my opinion after Rachel confronted her about auditioning and I feel the slap was deserved to an extent. Plus, Santana knew how hard Rachel had to work to get the male lead and director to really consider her for the part.... mistakes were definitely made on both sides, so it's hard for me to really say which side I'm on.
Rachel Johnson
2023-08-01 03:05:34 +0000 UTCI’m going Team Santana here. Why didn’t Rachel tell her about the audition in the first place? We know why. So if Rachel doesn’t need an explanation, knowing how Santana was feeling, then Santana doesn’t need to explain herself. Rachel wanted to have the spotlight on stage and at home and that means Santana couldn’t be a part of that. Rachel was upset that Santana came in and it was easy for her. Rachel has had to work hard for what she got and harbors resentment. The writers wrote that also at the same time the two actors were having “beef”…see what I did there…so it was not surprising to see this at all.
dville
2023-07-31 01:02:35 +0000 UTCThe only reason I feel like Santana was not wrong in not telling Rachel about auditioning is because it was truly a last minute decision. Santana found out that morning as Rachel was off to school or work about the audition. Even if she did tell Rachel before she auditioned, I don't think they would have had any time to really discuss the decision. That would have just caused extra drama that noone could have dealt with in real time. Now if Santana knew days before, then yes I think a conversation would have been warranted but I agree with her in this particular situation.
Kenyatta (KD) Smith
2023-07-29 19:17:24 +0000 UTCI’m torn about the whole “Rachel/Santana” situation. On the one hand, Santana should’ve told Rachel about her plans to audition, not to mention, coming in with “Rachel’s song”, and giving it an edgier feel, almost pop-ish. On the other hand, Santana auditioned to be Rachel’s understudy! It’s not like she pushed Rachel off the stage to take over. “IBIATCL” was by far, one of the best uses of not only allowing Kurt to show off his rock side, but also well within Star child’s power range. Overall, decent episode, but could’ve been better without all the extra conflict. But it wouldn’t be Glee if there wasn’t conflict.
Lucario Stormblade007
2023-07-29 09:46:05 +0000 UTCSo glad you found some free time and have come up for some air (from whatever it is you were doing) to break the episode down like this. The always controversial Santana v Rachel argument- I know I’m biased because Santana can really do no wrong for me. She’s not perfect (close enough, well Naya is) but no one is. For me- Rachel was Rachel. All about herself. If she looked at Santana as a friend she wouldn’t have reacted that way and would have been excited about the possibility. Should Santana have told her before- sure, but would it have made any difference for Rachel? Doubtful.
Amber Harrison
2023-07-29 02:36:45 +0000 UTCWOW! your a great writer of commentary. couldn't of said it better, BUT I'm Sanatana Lopez right our wrong LOL!! Rachel was rubbing it in as well anyway!! " IM A STAR " she was just in rehearsals the show hadn't even started . she didn't know if they would like her.
Linda
2023-07-28 03:30:03 +0000 UTCSorry for being late to this discussion. I've been super busy. I'll start with Artie and Tina's storyline. First of all, the premise is ridiculous and clearly contrived as a way to get them to ramp up the drama because most schools have ways of breaking ties behind the scenes without having the actual valedictorian candidates in the know or directly involved in the outcome. It really cheapens all the work they have put in thus far. And why couldn't they have shared the honor? I know schools that have allowed for that instead of trying to break the tie. Tina's descent as a character is just more difficult to watch as the show goes on and I feel bad for Jenna having to play that out. She has often said that she had a lot of trouble speaking up and advocating for herself with the writers and producers and it was a waste of her talent in my opinion to have her keep returning to this behavior. It was also a waste of potential for an impactful storyline. It is nice to see hers and Kevin's friendship shine through though. They got a house together after the first season and there was always a lot of speculation that they were dating. Naya was their unofficial 3rd housemate and Harry was also there quite often and they referenced their extreme closeness in an interview they did at the Golden Globes that year. Now on to the Rachel/Santana feud. There was also a lot happening behind the scenes during this season and the tabloids and press were all over it so I'm sure the writers took the opportunity to amp up the drama between their characters to grab as much attention as they could from the press. That being said, there is a lot to unpack here. Rachel absolutely earned that role and deserved to be proud of her success, but Diva Rachel is starting to emerge once again. You can see the diva starting to starting to bubble up starting in the scene at the diner. Santana is already frustrated with how the customer treated her and she showed a tremendous amount of restraint and demonstrated how far she's come because past Santana wouldn't have thought twice about going Lima Heights on that customer, consequences be damned. Even Rachel noticed the restraint she showed as recognition of her growth. I do believe that Rachel had good intentions when she offered Santana a place in the photoshoot, although I do believe that her ego was starting to show a bit here by claiming that she had enough pull to even be in a place to offer that to Santana (this is what Santana was referring to later on after her audition). Santana even acknowledged that was jealous after she had just vented about her frustrations about not having much going for her, but still went and was a supportive friend by telling Rachel to own her success and it was then that she could even start to see herself possibly in the spotlight. We don't even know what Santana's place ended up really being in the shoot since Brave (such a stunning number) turned out to be a fantasy sequence. Rachel's excitement at the end of Brave to bring Santana into the shoot was a cute little moment of friendship between the two. Rachel's diva starts flaring up again as she starts talking about the auditions for her understudy. At this point I think that her insecurity is coming out pretty hard which explains her disdain for the whole process. I think this shows an immaturity on her part because having an understudy is a necessary part of the show, which is something that I feel Rachel knows, but is still having a hard time accepting and she somehow internalized that it is somehow a knock on her talent or work ethic. You can see this in how she still tried to convince the director that she will never get sick so one is not needed when in the end it's a business decision that the higher ups make. I also think that her thoughts about the function and motivations of an understudy are a bit outdated as she has to be told again why it is necessary that they have one. She is incredibly rude during the whole process to her director and to the other performers who are trying out, which to me reinforces at least one of the reasons why Santana didn't tell her beforehand. Santana is pretty spot on in her reading of people and she could see that coming to Rachel beforehand would have complicated the process tenfold. I see it happening a number of different ways if Santana were to tell Rachel beforehand: 1) Rachel throws a fit and torpedoes her, 2) Rachel is excited for her and puts in a good word for her with the director, 3) Rachel is happy for her friend and helps her to put out the best audition she can and lets the director decide without any input, or 4) Rachel is able to calmly and maturely discuss her concerns and insecurities with Santana and together they come up with a way to navigate the situation together. Given what they've shown us about Rachel's disdain for the process and the trajectory of her character so far, I think that Santana was right in assuming that number 1 is the most likely outcome, so she proceeds in a way that gives her the best chance to succeed, which is understandable as we all have a right to look out for ourselves. And at the heart of it, Santana is doing something that Rachel has been advising her to do since season 4 when they were trying to get her to do more than just waitress or work at Coyote Ugly. I don't fault Santana for playing this one close to the vest and not telling Rachel because of how Rachel was acting prior to the auditions even starting...things get really messy after and it gets harder to parse out what is really going on. Rachel really fulfills the prophecy and is acting like an entitled and spoiled brat and starts throwing things around that should never have even entered the argument. She first acts like she owns "Don't Rain on My Parade" and that Santana had no right to sing that song, which even Kurt points out is ridiculous. And then she tells Santana she had no right to audition for it based on her ethnic background which is completely baseless because Rachel played Maria in high school and no one ever let the obvious incongruency of that enter the picture then. That combined with the interaction with the customer earlier in the episode and you have a recipe for a powder keg of emotions to explode quite quickly and easily as we see how it does. If Rachel had kept the argument solely about Santana not sharing her intentions beforehand, then I think that they may have been able to discuss it, but with Rachel bringing those things in, I understand how that argument got out of hand very quickly and resulted in some pretty nasty things coming from Santana. It saddens me that Santana also allowed things that should have never entered the argument come up, like the things from high school and she was wrong in that respect, but I can understand that she was feeling very attacked on many levels, especially with Rachel bringing things that Santana cannot change about herself like her race and ethnicity. Rachel was in attack mode and Santana retaliated with an attack of her own, but a lot of her actions were her staying calm and stand her ground and she even invited Rachel to try and discuss it, but she attacked after Rachel attacked her and Rachel ramped it up by bringing it into the physical realm by slapping her, and Santana didn't join her in that realm. I don't think that Santana had malicious intentions by not saying anything to Rachel beforehand and knew that it would cause a negative reaction in Rachel, but I think she weighed her options carefully and decided to deal with the repercussions. Which I can't find fault in. The whole asking permission vs forgiveness argument doesn't apply here because the understudy role was not Rachel's to give so there is no permission to ask for. At worst, I would say that Santana broke the rules of courtesy, but I think she was ready to try and remedy that because she demonstrated how much her character has grown by how she handled Rachel's attacks. I really wish Rachel could have seen and acknowledged how much Santana has grown and given her a chance to explain her intentions. Santana has proven that she was at least owed that after how she helped Rachel with the Brody situation even after they kicked her out and how she was there for her during the pregnancy scare.
Gemma Rivera
2023-07-26 23:40:56 +0000 UTCThis is one☝🏼of best episodes, why🤔the music. No me gusta👉🏼that the duets✌🏼had to be about🤲🏼competition,🏆it made Santana, Artie, Rachel and Tina look👀like jerks. And Santana should have absolutely spoken🗣️to Rachel first,☝🏼before👈🏼that audition🎙️to be her understudy. They are good friends. I understand🤔where they all🤲🏼are coming from but🤚🏼it could have been handled🥌differently.😔Everyone🤲🏼was hitting below👇🏼the belt🥋in this one.☝🏼 The duets✌🏼between Tina and Artie are always🤲🏼amazing.👏🏼I’ve been waiting.❤️The Santana and Rachel duets,✌🏼are also amazing.❤️And the photo shoot📸was superb.👌🏼I truly enjoy😁hearing the OG’s sing.🎤🎶These🤲🏼are some of my fav performances.💃🏻I especially🤲🏼enjoy🤩when Rachel and Santana are dancing 👯♀️for the role,🎶🎭they are both✌🏼really good👌🏼dancers IRL. Naya is only 5’4 or 5’5 but she has long🙆♀️limbs and she’s super tiny, so she looks👀much🤲🏼taller,☝🏼plus the👉🏼heels.👠 So the last song🎶is Breakaway,🕊️sung🎙️by Kelly Clarkson🎤and written✍🏼📝 by Avril Lavigne,🎤incipiently for herself. Kelly Clarkson🎤is an American🗺️from the country,🤠so she changed👛part of a lyric✍🏼📝to fit her background. Originally (because Avril Lavigne🎤is from Canada)🍁it was written,✍🏼📝“and when the snow 🌨️❄️☃️would fall down", but Kelly Clarkson🎤growing up with no👎🏼snow in Texas🤠changed “snow” to👉🏼 “rain”.🌧️💧☔️It works either way and it’s an amazingly🤩beautiful❤️song.🎶Another fab watch party.👀🎉✌🏼
Koko
2023-07-25 15:46:57 +0000 UTCi have never been on Rachel's side in this feud. probably never will be. That aside, my favourite fun fact for this is episode that one of the model dancers during Brave is Stefania Spampinato who now plays Carina DeLuca on Grey's Anatomy/Station 19. I should be watching our main gals but my eyeballs just follow her during the entire number. Pretty sure I said it when you reacted to the song before too but I have to hype my girl up xD
Megan Christina
2023-07-25 04:41:00 +0000 UTCThe Kurt and Elliott duet was my favorite part!
Michaela Evans
2023-07-24 01:11:32 +0000 UTCI don't think Santana needed to tell Rachel at all. I would have been polite, sure, but politeness was never Santana's thing. She didn't go and went for Rachel's job, she went for a different job in the same production. I think Santana was off with all the mean things she said to Rachel and I can see why Rachel slapped her, even if I don't think that's the way to go in general, but regarding the job, no. She isn't competing against Rachel, so what? And I really do not think Rachel would have been okay with her auditioning if she told her before. Rachel does not like to share. She's always been a diva and putting herself first has almost always been her first instinct.
Viola.S1
2023-07-23 18:28:52 +0000 UTCI just wanted to comment and answer a question you keep asking. Santana/Naya is 5’4” pretty short actually. And Rachel/Lea is 5’2”. It’s just that they both have phenomenal legs that make them look tall. And Naya is always in heels high ones.
Aleshia Bernal
2023-07-23 05:37:19 +0000 UTCI can’t speak for anyone else but it has nothing to do with race or looks. It’s the fact that Tina was never this rude or just being a flat out bitch to people. And unlike with Kitty or Santana, the things that come out of Tina’s mouth aren’t funny. Since season 4 she has been very bitter and sometimes very arrogant and entitled. Characters like Kitty and the Unholy Trinity started off as mean but grew to redeem themselves. Yes characters have had drastic personality changes and for the most part I dislike almost all of them. Sam’s intelligence, Becky just becoming a very hateful person, Tina also becoming a rude person.
Benjamin Smith
2023-07-22 23:28:16 +0000 UTCThis is true, you really should not sing a song from the musical you're auditioning for (unless it's a brand new show, which, then how would you know the song already?). You want to stand out, not remind them of the original/give them a comparison.
mightstill
2023-07-22 20:39:44 +0000 UTCI have friends who're Broadway actors. One, and maybe the terms are different depending on show, but I've always seen it in playbills as Understudy (they only know the one role), and *Swing* (who is usually someone in the ensemble who can take over for many different smaller roles). And neither understudy or swing is trying to take the lead actors job from them. First of all, contracts. Secondly, a lot of the time understudies and swings want to be understudies and swings because it gives them so much flexibility. One of my broadway boys used to love it because it meant he could do a gig at Joe's Pub or get to go home early to see his wife and kids. And 99% of the time, if a lead actor is leaving the show, the understudy doesn't get bumped up, they find a replacement. Unless that understudy specifically wants it. Because again, contracts.
mightstill
2023-07-22 20:18:07 +0000 UTCI just wanted to bring something up about the feelings towards Tina's character. First of all, I 100% agree that the writers in general did Tina very dirty in lots of ways, and Jenna I know feels this based on things I've heard her say. BUT. It is interesting to me the focus of some viewers on HATING the change of Tina becoming more of a "bitch" character. I'd point out that nearly all of the characters on Glee have had some pretty radical personality changes at one point or another - some of which we acknowledge and dislike, and others we don't as much. Why is it that Tina being a bitch bothers people so much? I've noticed that even though Kitty is inarguably a bitch, many people like her character. In the last choir room scene of this episode for example, we saw Audrey call out Tina for snarkily saying, "You already have a solo, Blaine" and then chuckle a moment later when Kitty made a rude joke about Tina's weight, saying the ivy league school would have to open their doors extra wide, or something. Why is one character's comment permissible and funny and the other's not? Could this difference have anything to do with the fact that Kitty is a blonde cheerleader and it's more familiar & comfortable for us to see her portrayed as a bitch whereas Asian girls are more typically seen as shy, demure, and nice - therefore seeing Tina as the opposite of that makes us uncomfortable/ perceive her as unlikable? I don't know. But it's something that I think is important for us to ask ourselves.
scarr
2023-07-22 19:07:22 +0000 UTCYes, I've heard this also and my heart breaks for her. Because we know this, I think it would be best if we limited our comments about her body and instead just acknowledge how gorgeous she is regardless of her size. As someone with an eating disorder history, I know how damaging it can be to hear people say how tiny and beautiful someone is, knowing that they're struggling. 💜
scarr
2023-07-22 18:17:23 +0000 UTCSantana should have told Rachel before auditioning, I agree, BUT. Rachel was definitely going to get mad and try to sabotage her if she tried the understudy after telling her (we know how Rachel is when she feels threatened, let's be honest, she did it to Sunshine in 2x01). Also Santana feels useless since in NYC, she said it to Rachel at the beginning of the episode, so Rachel could have been more understanding. But she is Rachel Berry, and she is Santana Lopez. They are who they are, it was obviously gonna clash, and saying things to hurt each other even tho they do like each other.
Camille Watrigant
2023-07-22 17:07:04 +0000 UTCBlaine definitely said HUMBLEBRAG not HOMOBRAG(if that's even a word), thank you very much. And yessss! Starchild. Definitely I Believe In A Thing Called Love is more like Adam's style and not Chris's but I love it. Adam Lambert's voice is magic. And I love Kelliott sm(as friends. possible romantic interest--it didn't happen, i know, but kinda wish it did... Or just anything in between).
Extra Groffsauce
2023-07-22 09:07:17 +0000 UTCIs that how it works? I feel like I've seen it somewhere that you shouldn't pick a song from the show that you are auditioning for. Rachel also sang To Love You More which was amazing and was a great choice for sure. And I wonder if they would have appreciated it in real life that Santana lowered the key in Don't Rain On My Parade. Even though, I'll give you that, she definitely put her mark on it.
Extra Groffsauce
2023-07-22 08:51:05 +0000 UTCAll I’m going to say is about that understudy fiasco is Santana’s chose a much more appropriate song for her audition than Rachel did. I mean come on! She sang and 80’s rock song for a Broadway musical audition while Santana sang a song from the actual musical while still putting her mark on it.
Annie Willow
2023-07-22 06:04:57 +0000 UTCOk, my take is definitely siding with Rachel on this one. Right after Rachel encourages her and gets her a job in the spotlight, Santana goes behind her back and auditions for understudy using a copy of Rachel's performance. Then says all of Rachel's hard work is because of Santana, and then tells Rachel she is better than her. This is after Santana had no prospects before coming to New York, she was just going to school on a cheerleading scholarship in Kentucky. Then when she got there, she just expected to become a star. Which, I have always felt was theme within the Glee Club. Everyone was always mad at Rachel for getting the solos, but she worked the hardest for them. She found songs to use, worked with Brad (the pianist that lives in the choir room), worked with Schue, she practiced, and helped others with their singing. When the glee club complained that a song was stupid, and Schue wouldn't budge on it...she did something about it. When they wanted to be more famous, she got them a mattress commercial. When no one wanted to be associated with the glee club in the yearbook, she took the hit as captain and took the pic by herself. Everyone else just expected to get solos because they were good singers, they're all good singers...that was the point. They wanted all the glory and none of the work. I feel this is the same thing. Santana just wants all the glory and none of the work. Also, her intentions weren't just to find a new job that leads more towards what she's looking for (which is literally just to be famous), this was done out of jealousy and because Santana thinks she's better than Rachel and wants to prove it. She isn't just trying to be the understudy...she's trying to outshine Rachel in a show she's worked so hard for. Every decision Rachel has made has lead her to this very spot ON PURPOSE. I think if Santana had just said, is there any roles she could audition for...just for a better job or even just mentioned she was doing it...the outcome would have been better. But this wasn't about a job, this was out of spite and jealousy. That's why I side with Rachel on this.
Kristen J
2023-07-22 03:44:58 +0000 UTCSo I just wanted to say that I absolutely LOVE all of the songs in this episode!!! 😍😍😍
Lovisa Axelqvist
2023-07-21 23:41:14 +0000 UTCYou are missing the point. Santana auditioning to be Rachel's understudy in itself is not wrong (although it makes no sense as Santana has never shown any interest in Broadway). It's WHY she did it and the fact she didn't tell her beforehand. Yeah Rachel would've been pissed but she would've gotten over it in 5 minutes. And Santana's comments afterwards just made it worse. Especially after Rachel got her the gig at the photoshoot, which as Audrey said is a huge opportunity. I don't think Rachel overreacted at all.
Heida
2023-07-21 17:14:20 +0000 UTCSince everyone is talking about the Rachel and Santana of it all I am going to talk about Kurt and Starchild. I believe Adam was asked first about using the stripper pole and he was like nope. Chris more then happy to play on it. There is a great picture Chris, Darren, and someone else in a hummer limo, I think, and Chris is hanging off a bar that went along the top. There are actually quite a few pictures of Chris hanging off of stuff and climbing on stuff. I love that when Rachel is upset she cleans. We also see in this episode and others that when Kurt is upset he bakes or well just turns to food in general. It is fun seeing those little extra bits of personality. Did Blaine say homo brag or humble brag? Either way its really funny and cute. It’s also so true. I kind of love that the writers were making fun of themselves in this episode. I also love that they use Sue to do it. Did this episode feel like it went on forever to anyone else? It felt so long to me. Maybe it was all the different storylines. I don’t know it just felt longer then normal.
Ashley
2023-07-21 17:04:46 +0000 UTCI am SO glad you sided with Rachel! I don't understand how people can side with Santana on this. I feel like a big part of it is Lea and Naya. This whole thing wouldn't have even happened if it weren't for their feud IRL. But people are either biased or missing the point. Santana auditioning to be Rachel's understudy in itself is not wrong (although it makes no sense as Santana has never shown any interest in Broadway). It's WHY she did it (jealousy) and the fact she didn't tell her beforehand. Santana saying that she would have reacted the same way if she had told her just reminds me of my dad who left me and my mum 9 years ago without so much as a goodbye, and my sister (who enables him) said it wouldn't have mattered if he had told us, we would've still been hurt. OF COURSE we would have been hurt but that doesn't justify what he did! So yeah Rachel would've been pissed but she would've gotten over it in 5 minutes. But to top it off, Santana had the nerve to tell Rachel that her success was due to how she was treated in high school, which just sounds like she is justifying bullying. Then after Rachel goes to her room Santana comes after her and continues with the insults instead of giving her time to cool off. And this is all after Rachel got her the gig at the photoshoot, which as you said is a huge opportunity. I don't think Rachel overreacted at all. Also, Santana should've been the one to move out because it was Rachel and Kurt's place first. I love the performance but I just can't with Santana in this episode. Same with Tina (except for that one scene). I just can't take her seriously in most of S4 and S5. Agree on Becky too. Sue was slightly better than in previous episodes though. Btw regarding Naya's weight loss, it's true she had an eating disorder but I also think Cory's death had an impact. You can see Lea was skinnier than usual too. On a more positive note, the music was fantastic. Brave, DROMP (Naya's version) and Breakaway all in one episode, are you kidding me?! So good!
Heida
2023-07-21 17:01:51 +0000 UTCFun fact: Kevin McHale was in a boyband before glee. He's a great dancer. So crazy this episode is this week bc the girl who got cast for Funny Girl US tour this week isn't Jewish she's cuban American & funny girl is based on a jewish girl Fanny Brice & is very much apart of the plot/in lyrics too.
Jackie Warner
2023-07-21 15:54:39 +0000 UTCEveryone’s stating their opinions here, which is fine, but i’m just happy we have finally gotten a good episode this season where every song hits and there’s a decent story beat going on at the same time lol. There’s actually some drama too, which besides Jake cheating on Marley, there’s been like 0 drama this season so far. These next few episodes, along with this episode you just watched , are probably the strongest in the season for me Song/Story wise
vince
2023-07-21 15:30:24 +0000 UTCI agree with a lot of the things being said. I think Santana had every right to audition, but she should have warned Rachel first. I understand Rachels hesitations about working with Santana. For me i became team Rachel the second Santana went in on Rachel with that tirade, just awfull and completly over the line. I think the fandom forgives Santana everything because Naya Rivera was so beloved and are very unfair to Rachel because she is portrayed by Lea Michele, who is not.
Anita Nordlid
2023-07-21 13:00:57 +0000 UTCi cant really comment on the episode here because people already commented everything i wanted to say lol so i'm just gonna throw in that we are only one episode away from a really great and emotional episode and i absolutely cannot wait
Patrick Rivera
2023-07-21 10:02:42 +0000 UTCI still have mixed thoughts on the Rachel vs Santana argument. I definitely think Santana should’ve talked to Rachel first before surprising her and showing up for the audition. She clearly had time to submit herself as Rupert called her name. We have to remember there were likely dozens of people auditioning, not just that one girl. There would’ve been time for Santana to talk to her and not necessarily get Rachel’s blessing but to at least her know she would be auditioning. I 100% side with Rachel in the fight that took place afterwards. Rachel stormed into her “room” and closed the curtain which essentially was her slamming the door and made it clear she wanted to be left alone and even gestured at Santana to leave. Santana basically barged into her room and berated Rachel, threw insults at her so I definitely feel Santana had that slap coming. Both of them have such big egos that they couldn’t just sit down and talk things out while things were still tense and it’s for the best that one of them move out for now. Rachel tearing up the graduation photo was not necessary and rather childish.
Benjamin Smith
2023-07-21 09:32:50 +0000 UTCI hate this episode, it always makes me a little sad 😂. I tend to side with Rachel because Santana was definitely out of line not asking her and talking about it first, and she was unnecessarily rude afterwards too, however Rachel definitely wasn’t totally in the right either. She was probably too upset in the moment to think it through logically but had she done so, the situation would have been much better. I love Rachel and Santanas friendship, it always makes me a little sad when it gets ruined again. Also, Rachel is so me 🤣 when I’m angry I start cleaning things up and organising them, and when I have to confront someone and talk about my anger I always start to cry. Rachel crying as she packs up her things always makes me cry a little, and I tend to feel bad for Kurt as he just gets stuck in the middle of it all. Anyone else notice the little grunt when Rachel slaps Santana? It always makes me absolutely howl 😂
Sophie R
2023-07-21 08:46:36 +0000 UTCIn my opinion I think Santana should have said something cause weather people like to admit it or not Rachel worked hard to get where she is, is she an ego maniac yes does she act like she’s the best and steal spotlights yes. I definitely think it’s a job Santana can do and she needed work so I see her side but she should have asked, people like to choose Santana’s side without hesitation cause they don’t like Rachel well actually they don’t like Lea, but imagine if someone did that to you and said those horrible things Santana said you’d be pissed too. So let’s not act like Santana is completely in the right and she deserved the slap. Should they have just communicated yes and it could have been settled but I lean to Rachel’s side but I understand Santana’s cause the world doesn’t revolve around Rachel.
Jake Sullivan
2023-07-21 07:59:46 +0000 UTCWhile I agree that Santana should have mentioned it to Rachel instead of blindsiding her, I think people put too much weight in Santana's intentions. She has a tendency to act in the spur of the moment and there really wasn't any time to have a discussion with Rachel about being an understudy. Rachel literally told them about the audition as she was walking out the door while being a true diva about it and cancelling band practice like it didn't even matter. Yes this is a big break for Rachel, but she was very much displaying how she was beginning to elevate herself above the others and Santana wanted to knock her back down to earth. Yes Santana went overboard in the yelling, but also Rachel could have easily ended the argument by agreeing that Santana could be just as good as she was. But the truth is, Rachel doesn't believe that. I've seen it mentioned so many times, not just here but on other reactions, that Rachel has PTSD from how she was treated. Yeah Santana has it too. All through high school she played second fiddle to Rachel Berry. Mr. Schue never shied away from always putting Rachel first no matter what, and the only time he willingly put someone else first was when Emma pointed out his favoritism and he let Santana sing Valerie. Santana literally left the New Directions because of it. It's a pretty big trigger for her and she goes kinda crazy whenever Rachel starts to act like she's better or when compared to Rachel. One of my favorite arguments Rachel makes is that Santana can't play Fanny because Fanny is Jewish and it would be like her being grand marshal at the Puerto Rican parade. Well it's not a parade, but Rachel did pretty much demand the role of Maria in West Side Story, a Puerto Rican character, in season 1 and season 3. Also the way Rachel views understudies definitely reveals how she would act if she were an understudy.
Haughtbreaker Nic
2023-07-21 07:21:19 +0000 UTCI think with Rachel there is always a double standard. Rachel is able to do something but the other cannot. When they did West Side Story, she played Maria who is latina (the obvious choice i think should be santana) but she audition. She had justified in season 1 that she was allowed by saying that in the movie adaptation Natalie Wood was Maria and she is a Jew. Now, Santana auditions outside her ethnicity and is now incorrect for doing so. 🤷♀️
keren quintanilla
2023-07-21 05:35:17 +0000 UTCThis storyline had always divided the fandom. My thoughts are almost the same as yours. Between the 2 of them, I lean a little more towards Santanas side but they both acted childish. I agree that Santana should’ve told Rachel out of respect to their friendship and that fact that it is her role. I also think she shouldn’t have engaged Rachel in the argument. After Rachel walks to her bedroom, she should have just taken the high road and walked out. But on the other hand, I think that Rachel overreacted. When you break it down, it’s just the understudy. And I actually think that part of what Santana said about HS hate fueling her success is maybe partly true. Overall, I’m in Kurt’s side in the sense of it’s a ridiculous argument and they just need to act mature. This situation happened around the same time as Lea and Naya’s real life drama, but that was all Lea’s fault. Maybe the writers felt that putting it on screen would help them resolve it. Who knows? They do become friends again, but it takes a few episodes. Also we still don’t get as much Tina going forward except for the next few episodes. She’s not as bitchy and she gets more songs, but she stops being a series regular after graduation. Plus the way Kurt’s voice sounds in IBIATCL is a great example of a part of his voice that the vocal directors didn’t tap into nearly as much as they should’ve.
Selma Jabr
2023-07-21 04:20:58 +0000 UTCI don’t think Rachel fears Santana’s talent. She fears that she went behind her back to audition, what are you going to do next? Rachel is fully aware that Santana can be evil and vindictive. She’s having a little PTSD of what Santana did to her in high school.
Jennifer Tocalino
2023-07-21 04:20:44 +0000 UTCI think Rachel overreacted, but I ultimately side with her over Santana and I think too many people are ignoring that Santana’s actions here were motivated by jealousy of Rachel and her achievements. Rachel is unnecessarily gatekeep-y about Broadway, sure, but for Santana not to tell Rachel she was auditioning for something she was already supremely stressed out by, to blatantly copy a past performance of hers on her own turf and to continue to antagonize Rachel about being better than her and being the reason for her success, gave Rachel all the reason to be upset about it. Like, of course, she’s going to believe Santana has the worst intentions with these given circumstances
I Am Not Chamari
2023-07-21 04:16:24 +0000 UTCI’m like Kurt, I see both sides of the coin and can agree with Santana that Rachel could’ve totally ruined Santana’s chances of Rachel had known about it. And someone mentioned, it could be great to have your friends as your understudy, which (small spoilers) Rachel “abuses” in the back half of the season. We do see full diva Rachel coming, she’s not even in full diva mode yet, just wait. I can’t wait to see how far you get before the Mexico move.
Zach Davis
2023-07-21 04:01:29 +0000 UTCyes exactly Rachel was acting like Santana was taking her role alway.. MAYBE BECause Rachel knows Santana is that good.
Linda
2023-07-21 03:50:07 +0000 UTCI believe that Yes Santana had no broadway dreams < BUT she wanted a start somewhere why not as an understudy its a job it's more and something in her field acting.
Linda
2023-07-21 03:45:00 +0000 UTC100% AGREE the writers always go with real life stories . that's what I thought and the slap to me only showed sanatan/Naya as the bigger person the storyline and read life because there feud was well documented .
Linda
2023-07-21 03:37:27 +0000 UTCWhile I think Santana should have probably talked to Rachel before auditioning the fact is Rachel most likely would have still thrown a fit. The audition was that day not alot of time to make Rachel come around so from Santana's point of view it was gonna be a fight no matter what. Was Santana right to do it that way no but I do think Rachel over reacted. The way Rachel is acting would think they were taking the role away from her and giving it to Santana and making her the understudy.
HGranger
2023-07-21 03:29:23 +0000 UTCOKAY !! Audrey I love you! and your options are always spot on . But I disagree on these one. Rachel if she really wanted to help Santana she would of told her about the opening of an UNDERSTUDY . Santana maybe knew already how Rachel would react because, that why she didn't say anything, she knew Rachel wouldn't agree that's why she did it without telling Rachel and I don't think it mattered. if she told Rachel , Rachel won't want Santana to take it anyway because Rachel has alway known Santana is amazing and Rachel is scared of that.
Linda
2023-07-21 03:19:03 +0000 UTCThis is the best episode of this season, sadly and I mean the Santana and Rachel's storyline mostly. I'm not even going to state my opinion on that because it's been done to death, do what I want to point out is how Santana had been the best foil to Rachel so far. Yes she's had several nemesis like Quinn, Sunshine, Mercedes..... But they weren't a menace, I mean, you know as an audience that Rachel would take them down somehow, but Santana, is someone to be feared in many ways. They should've taken this scenario as the main focus in this season instead of just one episode. Now, about the music.... I would've liked a couple of more songs from the others like Marley and Kitty instead of that much Tartie. I've never liked how Glee gives a person about 3 subs in an episode and then nothing for the rest of the season. Breakaway is often overlooked but it's one of the best songs Glee did but I guess the scenes between overshadowed it.
Capri Zonica
2023-07-21 02:59:43 +0000 UTCAlso an addition: Santana may not have seen Broadway as a viable option for her until living in New York and seeing Rachel succeed
Jay Johnston
2023-07-21 02:40:34 +0000 UTCI don't think Broadway being Rachel's dream gives her any rights over it with Santana. First of all there's very few people who know exactly what they want to do and stick with it from a young age. Also on top of that people's dreams and interests can change even if they're in the middle of a career. Jessica Vosk had a full fledged career on Wall Street before she up and quit to become a Broadway actress, realizing that her career at the time wasn't what she wanted
Jay Johnston
2023-07-21 02:38:02 +0000 UTCI absolutely hate when people justify bullying or abuse in any way. I definitely agree that was not okay. Funny Girl/Broadway was always Rachel's thing. Santana should have gone out and found something more her rather than going after the exact same thing as Rachel. You can't tell me it was the ONLY opportunity there that involved singing/dancing/acting. Rachel has every right to be upset with Santana for stepping on her toes. Especially after how she put in effort to cheer her up. They did both, though, take it way too far... As usual. Shows that some things haven't changed at all since highschool.
Jennifer Lawrence
2023-07-21 02:32:23 +0000 UTCI can't really choose a side between Rachel and Santana atm but Rachel is right Santana was never interested in broadway before she saw Rachel succeeding. And Funny Girl has been Rachel's dream since the beginning of the show so to have one of your closest friends blindside you is a big betrayal in her eyes. Tina continues to have the biggest downfall of a character she's just horrible. Also regarding how tiny Naya looks in her book she stated she struggled with anorexia as a teen, she does look underweight here so it may of resurfaced again.
Gigi
2023-07-21 02:21:43 +0000 UTCYeah Naya had dealt with eating disorder on/off from her teens until I believe the time of her death. She detailed having anorexia in her book "Sorry Not Sorry: Dreams, Mistakes, and Growing Up". She talked more so about having it in her teenage years but it seemed like she was still dealing with it as an adult as well.
Morgan
2023-07-21 02:20:14 +0000 UTCI really dislike the storyline of Santana auditioning for the understudy and absolutely side with Rachel on this. A because Santana never told Rachel about it before doing it but also because it was never her dream to be on Broadway and play Fanny Brice on Funny Girl. It was stated from the very beginning of the series that Rachel's ultimate dream was to play Fanny on Funny Girl so her dreaming coming true was amazing. Santana was always made fun of Rachel and her Broadway dream and never showed any interest at all on Broadway and then auditions for the understudy. With the exception of making the song sound more pop and less Broadway style she did exactly what Rachel did in the season 1 sectionals episode when she performed Don't Rain on My Parade. It was just never her dream to be on Broadway and then she auditions for the understudy and then has this feud with Rachel. Which was just wrong in my opinion. And like you mentioned Santana saying that the hate and bullying that she did to Rachel in high school is what got her the part is also wrong on so many levels. She got it because of her talent and hard work and Santana trying to make Rachel think otherwise is so wrong. I do love the musical numbers in this episode though especially Brave I love the Santana and Rachel duets which is why I wished they didn't feud like this.
Lydia Shepard
2023-07-21 02:15:48 +0000 UTCI agree with a lot of this but would like to add two things 1) Rachel was even encouraging Santana to start auditioning for things including Broadway, it's the whole reason Santana was there for the Brave number, but acts surprised when Santana auditions for an understudy part that she only knew about because Rachel told her about it. If Santana did seriously go into Broadway acting chances are that her and Rachel would end up going up against each other A LOT. If Rachel couldn't handle that she shouldn't have been encouraging Santana to audition for things. 2) that being said I try to give Rachel a little bit of grace with the first half of episodes in this season. Us watchers tend to forget that these episodes are happening less than 6 months after Finn died. Grief can make us act in strange ways. On a slightly unrelated note though I am slightly confused but assuming that they're going with terminology that most people will know cause for a show like this the understudy isn't even the first option for who goes on if a lead can't. It goes lead to standby to understudy. A standbys only role in the show is to be ready to go on if the lead their standby for isn't able to and that's the only time they're seen. Understudy is the second option and they usually have multiple leads they're an understudy for (Colton Ryan for example was the understudy for Evan, Connor and Jared in Dear Evan Hansen on Broadway) and will be seen as part of the ensemble. So if Santana was an understudy she was the back up for the back up
Jay Johnston
2023-07-21 02:04:37 +0000 UTCI agree from season 4 - season 6 naya definitely lost weight after she passed they found appetite suppressants in her system so I think she was struggling
Logan Riddle
2023-07-21 02:03:26 +0000 UTCI think the saying you were trying to remember at the end of the episode is “it’s easier to ask for forgiveness than permission”, which is a very messed up saying and is not true in any sense lol
Gigi
2023-07-21 01:59:39 +0000 UTCI actually am tolerable of Rachel most of the time but can't stand Rachel this episode. Rachel was always going to need an understudy so why wouldn't you want it to be your friend rather than some actress you don't know know possibly wanting to steal your job also Santana could cover for Rachel if Rachel has better opportunities that come her way while other understudies could/would likely try to steal her job. Even though Santana has the waitress job it is clear she wanted a better job and being an understudy could lead to better opportunities just by word of mouth. Yes Santana was a bully to Rachel in Seasons 1 and 2 but we've seen Santana and Rachel's friendship change from Season 3 to now. In reality we have slowly seen Rachel and Santana become good friends. Santana had been one of the few that supported Rachel wanting to get married to Finn, helped rig the prom results with Quinn so Rachel won Prom Queen, could tell Brody wasn't telling Rachel the truth, was there for Rachel during a pregnancy scare, got Rachel the waitress job, etc. Yes Santana could've told Rachel she was auditioning for the understudy role but Rachel genuinely acted like Santana auditioned for the lead and that Santana became her co-lead. In reality Santana auditioned for the understudy role and it is possible Santana wouldn't perform beyond rehearsals, occasionally for matinees, or in the chance Rachel was sick. Overall I dislike the unnecessary storyline of Rachel and Santana feuding after we have seen them slowly become good friends the past few seasons. It was clearly a case of the writers writing Lea and Naya's real life "feud" into the script.
Morgan
2023-07-21 01:09:10 +0000 UTC
