thebruenigs / Matt Debates Yaron Brook of the Ayn Rand Institute About Welfare

Gg matt. "There is something wrong with that measure. I'll have to think about it. But there is something wrong with that..."

Bryan Melcher

2024-04-22 20:22:59 +0000 UTC

Low key embarrassing for this dude

Colin Wick

2024-04-03 23:08:25 +0000 UTC

Good debate/discussion. Some intern at the Ayn Rand Institute is probably going to get fired for scheduling the debate, but overall a civil discussion.

J P 3

2024-03-30 08:00:45 +0000 UTC

I forgot how bad Brook is at waiting his turn to speak and listening to what is being said to him. 34 minutes in and it's very satisfying to hear Matt casually lapping this ghoul.

Ariel Cruz

2024-03-29 22:01:21 +0000 UTC

The guy wants charities to take care of the poor and not the government. But how many charities would exist without the donations to them being a tax deduction?

Patrick

2024-03-28 18:19:23 +0000 UTC

I always think the "you own the property because you produced something with it" is funny because I just like...bought my house. I didn't cultivate or produce shit.

kyle minton

2024-03-28 01:55:45 +0000 UTC

I’d be curious to hear a rebuttal to his point about Israel and the UK. I don’t know enough about either to know where to start.

David Woodward

2024-03-27 19:57:31 +0000 UTC

Yeah that doesn't sound believable at all. US tax rates are much lower than all but a handful other countries. The top marginal tax rate is only 37%, sales taxes top out around 8% and property taxes are usually something like 1-2% of assessed value. He's some sort of hedge fund guy so presumably he's mostly taxed at the capital gains rate of 20%.

Eric Dymond

2024-03-27 19:07:46 +0000 UTC

yeah when he summed it up at the end I was a little surprised that the notion of surplus hadn’t come up earlier

Julia

2024-03-27 06:07:25 +0000 UTC

the confusion of average life expectancy with “everyone died at 60” alone made me angry, I can’t imagine how having more knowledge would have made me feel haha

Julia

2024-03-27 06:05:17 +0000 UTC

This was so enjoyable. Lots of laughs, like when Brook basically said it's OK for some people to die. Another good one was when Matt slipped in how Brook still needed time to figure out GDP per hour.

Tim Masterson

2024-03-26 21:16:23 +0000 UTC

It’s so funny how this guy keeps misunderstanding Matt to be advocating for religion or the church when it’s just being used as an example or whatever. Every single time this guy is like “well I’m an atheist and the church is bad” - ok dude we get it, very edgy, but you’re missing the point entirely.

Joey Trimboli

2024-03-26 14:59:42 +0000 UTC

Matt (basically): "You're such a fantastic moron, it's terrifying." Gd I love a Matt smack down. I could listen to this all day.

Justine Henry

2024-03-26 14:30:56 +0000 UTC

On the orange example, was also surprised you guys didn't get more into the fact that the landowner probably isn't the one picking and growing the oranges, and that the underpaid farmworkers who are probably aren't making a completely free decision.

Andrew

2024-03-26 14:26:11 +0000 UTC

I feel like you should have hit him on a reverse conservatism argument -- as the socialist you're the one advocating for tried and tested ideas, while he's going for imaginary utopian fictions.

Andrew

2024-03-26 14:22:58 +0000 UTC

He's a hedge fund manager so he's already rich and is likely to stay that way. He can prioritize freedom or whatever because he will be largely unaffected by the outcome.

Eric Dymond

2024-03-26 14:21:02 +0000 UTC

Calling this Yaron fellow “baby-brained” would be an insult to babies

Sam Ozminkowski

2024-03-25 23:39:57 +0000 UTC

Holy crap this guy can’t string a coherent thought together to save his life. The orange was mine because I declare it’s mine, therefore when you picked it up you used force.

Joey Trimboli

2024-03-25 22:50:29 +0000 UTC

Dunno if I can make it through this. 2 minutes into Matt’s opponent’s opening statement and it’s the same question begging bullshit as ever: “welfare requires me to do something I don’t want to and the highest good is for me to do whatever I want therefore welfare is bad” blah blah

Joey Trimboli

2024-03-25 22:30:22 +0000 UTC

Must say, this blew my mind too. I hadn’t heard anyone actually make that argument and kind of assumed most leftists I’d heard quoting it were forming straw man arguments. It was bananas hearing it articulated.

Marcy Snyder

2024-03-25 21:30:53 +0000 UTC

"The whole economy is a government program" legendary

Nick Cee

2024-03-25 17:30:31 +0000 UTC

Lmao it’s like every time that dude opens his mouth, he steps on a land mine that blows up his whole argument.

Johann Strottman

2024-03-25 16:56:11 +0000 UTC

MAWWAIGE

Mr. Mike Man

2024-03-25 16:52:08 +0000 UTC

No, it's things like property tax and sales tax. He's not talking about just income taxes. He's saying he pays 50% of his income in taxes, which is believable for people in the US and Europe.

Murtaent

2024-03-25 15:46:23 +0000 UTC

I haven't looked in a while but I'm pretty sure the median effective tax rate in the US is 25%. I guess if you want to add healthcare costs and retirement savings with the argument the state should be paying those but isn't you could get to 50%. But Yarn is implying his income taxes paid / AGI is 50% which I just find very unlikely.

KMB24

2024-03-25 15:26:54 +0000 UTC

Think that's probably true. It's true, give or take, for most of the US. And most Europeans.

Murtaent

2024-03-25 15:23:45 +0000 UTC

Still undefeated

Dan

2024-03-25 15:08:14 +0000 UTC

He's saying he pays a 50% effective tax rate? lol sure buddy. Sure.

KMB24

2024-03-25 13:59:55 +0000 UTC

People should buy insurance again poverty has me holllllllering omg. Brain worms.

KMB24

2024-03-25 13:57:45 +0000 UTC

Isn't that just the israeli accent?

Eric Dymond

2024-03-25 13:09:31 +0000 UTC

Absolutely +1 to everyone congratulating our King on yet another W. I did appreciate that this debate revealed another core difference to be valuing work or leisure. Yaron stated that he wants to continue to work forever whereas Matt clearly implied that 20 years of retirement should be considered normal, good, and something to be planned for. Yaron also stated that one of the good things about America is how much time people work compared to Matt's argument that Nordic wealth is in part demonstrated by the amount of paid leave they are entitled to. I feel like there could be rich veins of Bruenig args once you approach matters from the value of leisure.

Matthew Lee

2024-03-25 09:09:59 +0000 UTC

At one point he said there's still so much unclaimed land. Dude, the map's filled in

Ryan Yates

2024-03-25 02:21:19 +0000 UTC

We need more Nozick-style libertarians, imo. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/479572.Anarchy_State_and_Utopia

Aaron Cohen

2024-03-24 23:59:01 +0000 UTC

Yeah but are there any?

Kiwi

2024-03-24 23:16:25 +0000 UTC

He thought Morrisey’s song about Sunday was real

Ben Trenary

2024-03-24 23:11:15 +0000 UTC

This ruled

Ben Trenary

2024-03-24 23:10:27 +0000 UTC

Well he was a piece of work. I'm curious what this coastal town in England is: over here they're nearly all notorious for deprivation, since - now people go on holiday to Spain or wherever, and most other industries have not survived deindustrialization - they basically don't have economies at all. There's no social mobility at least in part because there's barely a capitalist class at all, beyond used car dealerships and shit like that. There are, of course, "true" free market societies, although most of us prefer to call it warlordism.

Jim Macfarlane

2024-03-24 22:51:40 +0000 UTC

also love the randian mind wanting to claim the position as being the more non-normative choice. interesting way to handicap yourself for no reason.

Cameron Obama

2024-03-24 19:02:11 +0000 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/live/FoAGhBeYjaA

Nigel C

2024-03-24 18:51:20 +0000 UTC

yar dog gave up the game when he reached for the no existing counter factual argument. “no, empirical argument puts me at a disadvantage and my moral argument is that morality serves my desired system that i unfortunately cant test and refute all reasonable inferences towards”

Cameron Obama

2024-03-24 18:36:52 +0000 UTC

Everything Yaron said about human history and society was dead wrong and I was so mad I couldn't interrupt and correct him (got a couple degrees in anthropology, so it always enrages me when people just totally make up their own ideas about these things, lol). It was only through highly socialized labor and activity that humans accomplished nearly everything they have. If people were just producing to keep themselves, individually, alive, we wouldn't have had large scale migrations across the globe, for one thing. Mechanisms for redistribution are also a HALLMARK of human society. Grain storage (via the ancient states) and "the commons" are a couple key mechanisms. Also, private property really only emerged with the appearance of the state and actually corresponds with an INCREASE in violence.

Bourbachi

2024-03-24 13:10:18 +0000 UTC

This was painful. I'm already in agreement with Matt of course, but always try to be open to other perspectives. It's clear libertarianism is just completely incoherent. Start with the premise, every distribution I dislike is force and violence, then pretend it's an objective fact about the world.

Hampus Bystrom

2024-03-24 09:45:27 +0000 UTC

The part where it got embarrassing was when Matt was helping him with read the data correctly omg

JoinDSA B4thePodcastEnds

2024-03-24 04:31:12 +0000 UTC

That shit sounds like something the dumbest an-com ever would say lol

JoinDSA B4thePodcastEnds

2024-03-24 04:28:44 +0000 UTC

Wow I literally laughed out loud a few times from how badly Matt was embarrassing this guy. Great job.

JoinDSA B4thePodcastEnds

2024-03-24 04:26:29 +0000 UTC

This guy talking about a free market in the first place is meaningless. As Matt pointed out, and as is borne out by the historical record, markets and the economy exist at the whim of the state. P.S. I love when Matt cites data and Brook just says “that’s not true” and you can just hear Matt sigh

iamonceagain

2024-03-24 04:20:37 +0000 UTC

Matt doing the lord's work but this was very painful to listen to. I started to kinda feel bad for this guy, he is just incapable of thinking clearly and it's causing him to be evil

Gina Calabrese

2024-03-24 02:53:35 +0000 UTC

I was kind of hoping for a wild tangent about how specifically Rand folks are also atheist

Burlington Vote Factory

2024-03-23 22:35:50 +0000 UTC

Wild to hear a libertarian bring up old people on ice floes in moral defense of libertarianism

Molly

2024-03-23 21:25:13 +0000 UTC

Also a bunch of weird assertions about how there's anti-poverty insurance that does a better job than any government program. I assume it's one of those things that has a grain of truth but is wildly misrepresented.

Eric Dymond

2024-03-23 19:11:50 +0000 UTC

The weirdest thing about his argument is that it keeps returning to the idea that you need all of your property to flourish and if you're deprived of any iota of property then you're not a fully actualized person.

Eric Dymond

2024-03-23 19:10:43 +0000 UTC

He basically said it's ok because there's laws to deal with people abandoning property and apparently there's lots of free real estate in the US? I guess that assumes that in the objectivist future the government gives over all the national parks to whoever asks.

Eric Dymond

2024-03-23 19:09:36 +0000 UTC

good god this dude was embarrassing and painful to listen to. the classic matt args seem to hold up strong

victor recabarren

2024-03-23 18:03:03 +0000 UTC

one time i saw a cat toy with a field mouse for like an hour before he got it and this is what that felt like

haz

2024-03-23 17:54:18 +0000 UTC

“There’s no scarcity” lol

Jeffinternet

2024-03-23 17:36:00 +0000 UTC

This guys brain is hilarious

Damian

2024-03-23 17:19:51 +0000 UTC

Only 25 minutes in, but I really want to know what Yaron has to say about people who buy property and don’t do anything with it. Happens all the time. Should they have to give it up?

Rorbus Von Balzar

2024-03-23 15:37:58 +0000 UTC

Where can we find the video?

alexanderhg1 .

2024-03-23 15:15:34 +0000 UTC

He's already at going to war. These people are insane. 😵‍💫

TS + KL

2024-03-23 13:56:56 +0000 UTC

I'm 15 minutes in and cringing so hard. I've read a fair amount of objectivism and I think Brooks is doing a better job of representing the position than Rand. It's also impressive that someone can so smoothly, clearly and confidently be so narrow minded and obtuse.

Cheetahforce

2024-03-23 13:44:00 +0000 UTC

I'm watching the video and Matt miming grabbing and eating an ear of corn off Yaron's land while Yaron gets mad about it is the funniest shit I have ever seen. Thanks Matt

Ronald Peabus

2024-03-23 07:47:52 +0000 UTC

I kept waiting for you to hit him with "actually its the capitalists who don't work"

Ligma

2024-03-23 05:37:30 +0000 UTC

Stop! Stop! He’s already dead!

Martin Ross

2024-03-23 05:30:42 +0000 UTC

The funny thing is, I had the same problem. From a very young age I used to roll my Rs. Do you know what happened to me? My public school provided a free speech pathologist to help me correct that problem. From 2nd to 5th grade I would go 1 hour a week (during recess) to Mr. Alberg’s office along with 2 other students to work on our speech impediments. And what was the result of all those speech correction exercises? I don’t have a speech impediment anymore! The welfare state provided yet another valuable service that charity or capitalism didn’t believe was “necessary”.

Michael Hoogenakker

2024-03-23 05:21:46 +0000 UTC

Yaron had no idea what he was in for. Texas just giving away PhDs these days? Wild levels of incoherence from Brook, like he couldn't even follow what were the logical conclusions of his own arguments vs. Matt's. Yes Yaron, your argument is ridiculous -- glad you could see that when it's being recounted back to you. Matt lawyered him, wonked him, and philsophized his a**. Would be nice to hear Matt debate a coherent libertarian though.

Aaron Cohen

2024-03-23 03:14:10 +0000 UTC

The little inhale of excitement from Matt when yaron says the Nordics have less restrictive labor market policies

Ben

2024-03-23 01:11:02 +0000 UTC

You wanna see a dead body?

Ben

2024-03-23 01:09:33 +0000 UTC

Great performance Matt, I used to want you to debate more but I realize you have already said a lot of your args on the podcast. I would like to see you debate someone like Shapiro or Jordan Peterson just because I would like to see them run into the Brunig Buzzsaw.

Joseph Dixon

2024-03-23 00:40:01 +0000 UTC

Unbelievable. YB: Countries with high welfare are poor. Look at Sweden - lower GDP than the united states! MB: the better measure is GDP per capital per hours worked. It’s higher in Sweden but they choose more leisure. YB: but look at their high unemployment! Sweden has a 7.3 rate! They want to work but they can’t! They don’t want to work because of welfare! MB: the better measure is the employment rate. Sweden’s is higher than the US. YB: that’s because they’re poor!

Uri Strauss

2024-03-23 00:31:00 +0000 UTC

PPP stands for pinfinite patural pesources

☃️

2024-03-23 00:13:34 +0000 UTC

I love that Yaron spent like 15 minutes basically saying that exploiting workers by not giving them property rights over what they produce is worse than violence. BTW his name is iambic.

Uri Strauss

2024-03-22 23:07:03 +0000 UTC

It is so jarring to hear him move from being outraged by Matt dismissing the importance of the voluntariness of redistribution, to the question of natural resource ownership not being important because there is "infinite" land.

Will Durant

2024-03-22 22:57:43 +0000 UTC

I'm about to say something petty and ableist: How does one person develop this deep a vocabulary in english but not the ability to not say their Rs like a three-year-old?

Eric Neal

2024-03-22 22:42:00 +0000 UTC

Here is the YouTube link as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoAGhBeYjaA I recommend skipping through the Rand guy's arguments because Matt does a good job of recapping his nonsense in one sentence when he starts his own arg.

Adrian

2024-03-22 22:21:37 +0000 UTC

Matt - I don’t know how painful this was to participate in (though I could hear the moments of joy in your voice), but this is the content I’m here for. Great work

Patrick

2024-03-22 22:05:51 +0000 UTC

I'm glad there is tho... adult libertarians are fascinating

Murtaent

2024-03-22 21:46:14 +0000 UTC

There are infinite resources. There is infinite land.

Noah French

2024-03-22 21:42:39 +0000 UTC

You used land that you didn't produce and which you excluded me from.

Murtaent

2024-03-22 21:42:12 +0000 UTC

I can only imagine the grin on Matt's face

alexanderhg1 .

2024-03-22 21:39:06 +0000 UTC

25:20 YB: "There is [sic] an infinite amount of resources, natural resources, in the world. There's no..." MB: "INFINITE"

alexanderhg1 .

2024-03-22 21:38:49 +0000 UTC

This guy's disregard for how humans actually behave when given unlimited power and resources is staggering. Also, I've never tapped download faster on a podcast.

Eric Neal

2024-03-22 21:33:25 +0000 UTC

~”I’ll take freedom over GDP growth” you can’t argue with someone who’s completely disinterested in outcomes! He’d rather stick to his first principles and have every human being die than to live somewhat adequately under any other system

Justin Hubbard

2024-03-22 21:32:44 +0000 UTC

His argument hinged in part on “unclaimed land is unlimited”

Jay

2024-03-22 21:26:00 +0000 UTC

I grew the orange. They are my oranges.

Aaron

2024-03-22 21:14:42 +0000 UTC

Can’t believe the Ayn Rand institute even exists

Andrew Swann

2024-03-22 21:00:16 +0000 UTC

Roasted his ass, it was cool to watch. Nice job Matt!

Christian Wulff

2024-03-22 20:58:53 +0000 UTC

Matt Debates Yaron Brook of the Ayn Rand Institute About Welfare

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Gg matt. "There is something wrong with that measure. I'll have to think about it. But there is something wrong with that..."

Low key embarrassing for this dude

Good debate/discussion. Some intern at the Ayn Rand Institute is probably going to get fired for scheduling the debate, but overall a civil discussion.

I forgot how bad Brook is at waiting his turn to speak and listening to what is being said to him. 34 minutes in and it's very satisfying to hear Matt casually lapping this ghoul.

The guy wants charities to take care of the poor and not the government. But how many charities would exist without the donations to them being a tax deduction?

I always think the "you own the property because you produced something with it" is funny because I just like...bought my house. I didn't cultivate or produce shit.

I’d be curious to hear a rebuttal to his point about Israel and the UK. I don’t know enough about either to know where to start.

yeah when he summed it up at the end I was a little surprised that the notion of surplus hadn’t come up earlier

the confusion of average life expectancy with “everyone died at 60” alone made me angry, I can’t imagine how having more knowledge would have made me feel haha

This was so enjoyable. Lots of laughs, like when Brook basically said it's OK for some people to die. Another good one was when Matt slipped in how Brook still needed time to figure out GDP per hour.

Matt (basically): "You're such a fantastic moron, it's terrifying." Gd I love a Matt smack down. I could listen to this all day.

On the orange example, was also surprised you guys didn't get more into the fact that the landowner probably isn't the one picking and growing the oranges, and that the underpaid farmworkers who are probably aren't making a completely free decision.

I feel like you should have hit him on a reverse conservatism argument -- as the socialist *you're* the one advocating for tried and tested ideas, while he's going for imaginary utopian fictions.

He's a hedge fund manager so he's already rich and is likely to stay that way. He can prioritize freedom or whatever because he will be largely unaffected by the outcome.

Calling this Yaron fellow “baby-brained” would be an insult to babies

Holy crap this guy can’t string a coherent thought together to save his life. The orange was mine because I declare it’s mine, therefore when you picked it up you used force.

Dunno if I can make it through this. 2 minutes into Matt’s opponent’s opening statement and it’s the same question begging bullshit as ever: “welfare requires me to do something I don’t want to and the highest good is for me to do whatever I want therefore welfare is bad” blah blah

Must say, this blew my mind too. I hadn’t heard anyone actually make that argument and kind of assumed most leftists I’d heard quoting it were forming straw man arguments. It was bananas hearing it articulated.

"The whole economy is a government program" legendary

Lmao it’s like every time that dude opens his mouth, he steps on a land mine that blows up his whole argument.

MAWWAIGE

No, it's things like property tax and sales tax. He's not talking about just income taxes. He's saying he pays 50% of his income in taxes, which is believable for people in the US and Europe.

Think that's probably true. It's true, give or take, for most of the US. And most Europeans.

Still undefeated

He's saying he pays a 50% effective tax rate? lol sure buddy. Sure.

People should buy insurance again poverty has me holllllllering omg. Brain worms.

Isn't that just the israeli accent?

At one point he said there's still so much unclaimed land. Dude, the map's filled in

We need more Nozick-style libertarians, imo. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/479572.Anarchy_State_and_Utopia

Yeah but are there any?

He thought Morrisey’s song about Sunday was real

This ruled

also love the randian mind wanting to claim the position as being the more non-normative choice. interesting way to handicap yourself for no reason.

https://www.youtube.com/live/FoAGhBeYjaA

yar dog gave up the game when he reached for the no existing counter factual argument. “no, empirical argument puts me at a disadvantage and my moral argument is that morality serves my desired system that i unfortunately cant test and refute all reasonable inferences towards”

This was painful. I'm already in agreement with Matt of course, but always try to be open to other perspectives. It's clear libertarianism is just completely incoherent. Start with the premise, every distribution I dislike is force and violence, then pretend it's an objective fact about the world.

The part where it got embarrassing was when Matt was helping him with read the data correctly omg

That shit sounds like something the dumbest an-com ever would say lol

Wow I literally laughed out loud a few times from how badly Matt was embarrassing this guy. Great job.

Matt doing the lord's work but this was very painful to listen to. I started to kinda feel bad for this guy, he is just incapable of thinking clearly and it's causing him to be evil

I was kind of hoping for a wild tangent about how specifically Rand folks are also atheist

Wild to hear a libertarian bring up old people on ice floes *in moral defense* of libertarianism

Also a bunch of weird assertions about how there's anti-poverty insurance that does a better job than any government program. I assume it's one of those things that has a grain of truth but is wildly misrepresented.

The weirdest thing about his argument is that it keeps returning to the idea that you need all of your property to flourish and if you're deprived of any iota of property then you're not a fully actualized person.

He basically said it's ok because there's laws to deal with people abandoning property and apparently there's lots of free real estate in the US? I guess that assumes that in the objectivist future the government gives over all the national parks to whoever asks.

good god this dude was embarrassing and painful to listen to. the classic matt args seem to hold up strong

one time i saw a cat toy with a field mouse for like an hour before he got it and this is what that felt like

“There’s no scarcity” lol

This guys brain is hilarious

Only 25 minutes in, but I really want to know what Yaron has to say about people who buy property and don’t do anything with it. Happens all the time. Should they have to give it up?

Where can we find the video?

He's already at going to war. These people are insane. 😵‍💫

I'm 15 minutes in and cringing so hard. I've read a fair amount of objectivism and I think Brooks is doing a better job of representing the position than Rand. It's also impressive that someone can so smoothly, clearly and confidently be so narrow minded and obtuse.

I'm watching the video and Matt miming grabbing and eating an ear of corn off Yaron's land while Yaron gets mad about it is the funniest shit I have ever seen. Thanks Matt

I kept waiting for you to hit him with "actually its the capitalists who don't work"

Stop! Stop! He’s already dead!

The little inhale of excitement from Matt when yaron says the Nordics have less restrictive labor market policies

You wanna see a dead body?

Great performance Matt, I used to want you to debate more but I realize you have already said a lot of your args on the podcast. I would like to see you debate someone like Shapiro or Jordan Peterson just because I would like to see them run into the Brunig Buzzsaw.

PPP stands for pinfinite patural pesources

I love that Yaron spent like 15 minutes basically saying that exploiting workers by not giving them property rights over what they produce is worse than violence. BTW his name is iambic.

It is so jarring to hear him move from being outraged by Matt dismissing the importance of the voluntariness of redistribution, to the question of natural resource ownership not being important because there is "infinite" land.

I'm about to say something petty and ableist: How does one person develop this deep a vocabulary in english but not the ability to not say their Rs like a three-year-old?

Here is the YouTube link as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoAGhBeYjaA I recommend skipping through the Rand guy's arguments because Matt does a good job of recapping his nonsense in one sentence when he starts his own arg.

Matt - I don’t know how painful this was to participate in (though I could hear the moments of joy in your voice), but this is the content I’m here for. Great work

I'm glad there is tho... adult libertarians are fascinating

There are infinite resources. There is infinite land.

You used land that you didn't produce and which you excluded me from.

I can only imagine the grin on Matt's face

25:20 YB: "There is [sic] an infinite amount of resources, natural resources, in the world. There's no..." MB: "INFINITE"

This guy's disregard for how humans actually behave when given unlimited power and resources is staggering. Also, I've never tapped download faster on a podcast.

~”I’ll take freedom over GDP growth” you can’t argue with someone who’s completely disinterested in outcomes! He’d rather stick to his first principles and have every human being die than to live somewhat adequately under any other system

His argument hinged in part on “unclaimed land is unlimited”

I grew the orange. They are my oranges.

Can’t believe the Ayn Rand institute even exists

Roasted his ass, it was cool to watch. Nice job Matt!

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I feel like you should have hit him on a reverse conservatism argument -- as the socialist you're the one advocating for tried and tested ideas, while he's going for imaginary utopian fictions.

Wild to hear a libertarian bring up old people on ice floes in moral defense of libertarianism