Sacred Symbols+, #400 | Selling the Drama With Rick Hoeg
Added 2024-08-21 16:00:12 +0000 UTCToday, I (Colin) am pleased to welcome LSM legal analyst Rick Hoeg back to Sacred+. Rick always comes to these conversations with a lot of valuable insight and wisdom, and we'll need a bit of both with the five topics we touch on in this wide-ranging chat. We start by delving into the salvaging of Tango Gameworks, unexpectedly acquired by South Korean publisher Krafton. How did the House of PUBG save this Japanese team after the clock seemingly expired? We then meander to the significant drama concerning one of our peers in the media space, Second Wind. A lot of accusations and innuendo have been tossed around, and so I went directly to EIC Nick Calandra himself (a Sacred+ veteran) to see what he thought of everything, giving Hoeg and I plenty to leaf through. Next, we move onto the leaked streamer guide that came alongside early codes of Game Science's commercial hit Black Myth: Wukong. Should we expect more of the same as Chinese developers release products in the western console space? Then, we hit the shuttering of a promising Modern Warfare PC mod right before it was set to launch. What exactly is allowed and disallowed in the modding space, and why do some get away with their unofficial products while others don't? Finally, we finish with a quick conversation about SAG-AFTRA's ongoing strike related to AI, particularly with the voices and likenesses their base rely upon. Has runaway capitalism ensured the future erasure of actor participation in games?
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:07:26 - Krafton's acquisition of Tango Gameworks
00:35:54 - Drama at Second Wind
01:48:52 - Wukong review code controversy
02:07:15 - MW2 mod shut down
02:21:50 - SAG-Aftra continues strike over AI
Comments
Missed this initially, really interesting and good
Vito Chiaramonte
2024-08-28 20:26:19 +0000 UTCAlways love to hear Hoeg
Glen Yelenovic
2024-08-27 11:57:27 +0000 UTCAgreed
Glen Yelenovic
2024-08-27 11:57:15 +0000 UTCThe discussions with Hoeg are some of my absolute favorites from Last Stand
James McGivern
2024-08-26 19:30:02 +0000 UTCI can understand and respect this position, and it would've helped greatly I think. But also, Frost did provide his side in his released video. If anything, Frost could reach across the aisle after this to provide any clarification and arguments against the discussion. Either way, getting Nicks responses to the post allegations didn't seem untoward.
Aaron B Vick
2024-08-26 11:32:11 +0000 UTCI saw the post. He just posted the hot blonde lady from Wilds and was like "My bad. This isn't woke"
Jimbo
2024-08-25 02:11:59 +0000 UTCNot defending the guy, but just pointing out an observation in that he did delete his tweets and say he was wrong about that. Most people who are in the culture war space generally double down and lash out. He appears to be very quick to judge and sometimes too harshly, but at least he retracts mistakes sometimes.
Alex
2024-08-25 02:08:20 +0000 UTCI had written into the previous episode of Sacred about this Second Wind stuff, but I do have to admit that this seems to boil down to a personal beef which probably should've stayed private. Nick seems a bit prickly and someone who I probably wouldn't want to work with (that Gameumentary resignation clip kind of speaks for itself), but I'll leave that evaluation up to the people that actually do work with him. Just as Frost was free to leave, if the majority of Second Wind feels that Nick is unfit to lead, surely they (as a coop) can vote him out. I think their putting him on disciplinary action as a result of his Twitter tirades speaks to their ability to do something about the dude at the top if they so wish.
Matt H
2024-08-23 15:36:34 +0000 UTCThanks for the heads up, I don’t know who any of these people are in the comments so I might have to give this one a miss… even though I love Hoeg
JT
2024-08-23 15:24:24 +0000 UTCIf you want to know how fake this Culture War Grummz is pushing, he tried to say Monster Hunter is woke. The entire MH community shoved this dork into a locker till he apologized and deleted tweets. Grummz is a grifter and I feel bad he's representing conservatives.
Depressed Phil Spencer
2024-08-23 04:31:01 +0000 UTCYeah, it’s just ad hominem garbage
Brandon V
2024-08-22 20:14:48 +0000 UTCNick is an asshole. The way he was acting on twitter was embarrassing. Not just towards Mark Kern, but towards his own fans pointing out legitimate concerns. The way he talks to people is wild. It’s clear that the success of the Second Wind Patreon went to his head and he thought he was untouchable. When I pointed out how quickly his actions can change the trajectory of his company, he had a little hissy fit and blocked me. I never liked him, so can’t say I’m sad to see the beginning of his end.
Brandon V
2024-08-22 20:12:57 +0000 UTCI'll just say I lost all respect for Nick when I told some random person online that it would be a bad idea to use Second Wind's Patreon to fundraise for Nick to sue the online weirdos he's beefing with, and then Nick appeared and accused me of claiming he keeps all the Patreon money for himself. Like, what?
Joseph Gedgaudas
2024-08-22 18:35:37 +0000 UTCI really do enjoy Hoegs perspective on this these topics, and it should not go unsaid that Colin is always an excellent host and contributes nicely to the conversation.
warren chue
2024-08-22 15:41:53 +0000 UTCWith due respect, you should have also contacted Frost regarding his side. Sure, the video speaks for itself, but any details aren’t elaborated on and Nick did have the chance. I understand you are friendly with Nick and want to be fair to him, but you should have also given Frost the chance. My two cents
Dick Stillhard
2024-08-22 14:04:06 +0000 UTCFantastic episode gents!
Allan Sweeney
2024-08-22 12:10:05 +0000 UTCFantastic discussion. Really love it when Hoeg’s on the show because I feel like he brings a completely different perspective on things.
Jim Capron
2024-08-22 11:36:52 +0000 UTCColin argument towards Grummz is that of a typical basic bitch. Forgo the broader point that still stands, by the way, to get hung up on nonsense that does not matter because…. Again the broader point still stands. Woman behavior.
CUMSoftware
2024-08-22 00:39:52 +0000 UTCI didn’t realize how much of this would just be Twitter drama
Yeti ATL
2024-08-21 23:17:42 +0000 UTCYooo, good to see Ricky again
Katana Silver
2024-08-21 22:26:43 +0000 UTCPronouns in bio is an instant pass for me 🤣 immediate virtue signally, no thanks
Adam Barnes
2024-08-21 22:23:28 +0000 UTCHOEG! Always an interesting voice on gaming topics Part of Colin's 'team of rivals' - experts in different aspects of gaming industry/gaming industry associated fields.
Michael Cook
2024-08-21 21:15:48 +0000 UTCThere is an immaturity with social apps and things Nick has said on podcasts that would bother me, if I worked with him. But that is not to say that a course correction could not be in the future. If that is true, give the same courtesy to Frost. He exited a heated moment, opinions on the matter, and equally worth a listen (imo). We are, as listeners/viewers, oblivious to the details.
Directional Joy
2024-08-21 21:07:48 +0000 UTCFair enough. He was one of my favorites for being a good sidebar to Yahtzee, but different strokes. No harm, just personal tastes. 😃
Directional Joy
2024-08-21 20:46:54 +0000 UTCI’ve liked his COLD TAKES a plenty. I hate to see these things happen and hope both parties find a lane that they can succeed in. I am in no way ready to pick sides, because life is full of grey, not black & white. I hope, but don’t expect, that Frost could be a future guest on SS+.
Directional Joy
2024-08-21 20:44:32 +0000 UTCHOEG!!!
Eric the human
2024-08-21 20:12:25 +0000 UTCFrost is an alphabet person, no doubt. Pronouns in bio. Easily dismissed. Hoeg, save yourself from future strokes. Eliminate vitamin a - it's a poison. Terrific show, gentlemen.
Rufián
2024-08-21 18:37:04 +0000 UTCThank you Colin and the team for the shows especially during the the difficult times as a team you are all going through we all would have understood if you had cut back on the output love and respect to the whole team.
Garry
2024-08-21 18:20:28 +0000 UTCI think short may be my favorite LSM regular guest.
Dante B
2024-08-21 18:01:36 +0000 UTCCan’t wait, love a good Hoeg ep!
Jeffrey Rommel
2024-08-21 17:12:44 +0000 UTCI didn’t realize Frost left Second Wind. I think he was my least favorite voice on the channel, so I guess no harm here.
Jayce Tamulevich
2024-08-21 17:06:57 +0000 UTCPeople bothered doing the MWR online because it required a purchase of the game. They thought activision would leave it up since they’d make money from it and the game is dead otherwise. Unfortunately not the case, MW2 is the GOAT!
Yeti ATL
2024-08-21 16:50:31 +0000 UTCLove the show title! Awesome song and absolutely iconic album!
Bryan Finck
2024-08-21 16:13:35 +0000 UTCJust wanna say thanks to the LSM team for putting in the extra work. Must be a little hard with 2 of the team out right now. 👍🏻🙏🏼
Diddy’s Dong Quest
2024-08-21 16:12:43 +0000 UTCYes! More Hoeg!!!
Meatball
2024-08-21 16:05:26 +0000 UTC
