Mapmaking Pack - Remaster Update & Dungeondraft Integration Poll
Added 2021-06-16 23:26:51 +0000 UTC
Hello everyone!
This "Remaster" Update has substantial changes like completely new File Structure and also adds new content - which requires a fresh download of our whole Mapmaking Pack
All new releases will follow this File Structure from now on, so I strongly recommend redownloading the whole pack fresh now so your asset folder is not a mess when you add new content to it! - Or you can join our pCloud Live Libraries for automatic updates.
1. File Structure Changes:
As we've mentioned previously, we are changing our File Structure.
We realize that we just re-did asset file structure at the end of last year, but there was a bit of discontent with the scheme we went with.
So we've gathered a lot of feedback, and implemented necessary changes, we hope that we succeeded in improving and streamline it.
You'll see the new file structure once you download the new Mapmaking Pack Zip, but if you want a general idea, you can check out this google doc.
2. Asset Changes & New Variants
Alongside the new file structure, we've also "remastered/retouched" some older assets, updating their textures, shading or applying some color corrections, while keeping the same design/linework.
We've also added new variants and some new assets as well to fill in some gaps.
All "Stone" objects color matched to our 3 stone colors (Added "Sandy"/03 color variants where missing.)
Added Rusty/Non-Rusty variants to lot of objects where missing and many other touch-ups and changes.
Total of over 900 files were adjusted / added.
3. _Old_Walls
We are remaking all the wall tiles for the next update.
All brick/Stone walls will be color corrected to match our 3 Standard stone colors which means new variants which will require naming adjustments. We are also adding new wall tile options (T, X sections etc.)
Changing the whole folder to "_Old" now is the easiest solution as a prep for that update so we don't have to move stuff around/rewrite things again later.
4. Poll - How this affects Dungeondraft Packs?
Honestly, I'm not sure.
We are still trying to figure out and decided on what would be the best solution on how to implement these changes to the DD packs.
As you know, file name changes and other adjustments would be *BREAKING changes.
**BREAKING - When asset is removed or renamed, and you have it in your WIP map, it'll disappear and has to be placed again.
So here are the options we have:
A: Dungeondraft Integration 3.0 - Start Fresh - Cleanup the packs and implement all the changes, not backwards compatible
B: DD 2.0 with Duplicates - Implement changes and new variants, leave old assets in the packs. This will mean that the packs will be pretty messy and there could be duplicate files in some places.
C: DD 2.0 with *BREAKING changes - Implement the changes into 2.0 with potentially substantial number of breaking changes.
Please let us know what you think would be the best approach.
Thank you!
Comments
Make it better. Do Versioning as mentioned above. Best of both worlds. Need 3.1 then release pack 3.1
2021-06-19 16:38:42 +0000 UTC3.0. Redundancy is just kicking this mess down the line, and breaking 2.0 is confusing and removes the entire point of doing it. If you gotta, do it, and do it soon.
von Boomslang
2021-06-17 15:53:55 +0000 UTCI dont' go back to old maps but I like prefabs...
2021-06-17 10:37:01 +0000 UTCThis won't be the last time something like this happens, so it might be worth considering adopting some sort of formal versioning policy so future decisions are no-brainers and behaviour is predictable. For instance, Semantic Versioning (https://semver.org/spec/v2.0.0.html). FWIW, I think that introducing breaking changes and still calling it '2.0' would just force people to maintain 2 separate things called '2.0', which is effectively the same as bringing in '3.0' but harder to manage.
Royston Shufflebotham
2021-06-17 09:27:26 +0000 UTCLike people have mentioned here I don't go back to edit old maps. I think if you keep those legacy files up alongside of the newer ones. Should give time to adjust to the new structure.
2021-06-17 07:33:55 +0000 UTCI agree, 3.0 is the logical option - and thank you for asking.
Bryan Wallbridge
2021-06-17 05:25:10 +0000 UTCOoops, hit the enter key! It's not an elegant solution, but it could work for those who are mid-work on map projects, or find that they need to do a little 'tweaking' here and there.
Aegis Virium
2021-06-17 03:11:33 +0000 UTCYou're going to need to shift to 3.0 eventually anyways. It's like pulling a bandaid off - do it fast. Like others have said, you can just use the old assets when you want to work on an old map. Personally, once my maps are done... I'm done. I don't make them for archival purposes. What people who are still working old maps CAN do is make a secondary assets folder. Put the new assets in one folder, I'd say the current folder. When they want to load up old maps, just point the asset folder to the archived asset folder. It's not elegant
Aegis Virium
2021-06-17 03:10:40 +0000 UTC3.0 for sure. If people are currently working on a map with dungeondraft they can just finish using the non 3.0 assets and update once done. Like an earlier poster mentioned, once a map is done generally speaking it is done, and you are unlikely to go back and mess with it.
Karkarov
2021-06-17 02:42:46 +0000 UTCIs there a link for downloading the token in one big zip file like there is for the mapmaking pack?
Carl Crawford
2021-06-17 01:49:16 +0000 UTCA fresh start moving forward sounds like the best idea. We can keep our archives of the 2.0 DD packs separate that way, and switch to them if for some reason we have to go back and edit a previous map. But, moving forward, having the stuff resorted for easier navigation sounds like a dream. It's vexing when I want to build kitchen or pantry decor, I have to search so many different unrelated categories just to find food items, like eggs and mushrooms, for example, instead of just having Food and Ingredients. But, I have to say, aside from some sorting and search grievances, the packs are amazing. Thanks for all the hard work you all put in, and I'll continue to wow my players with the awesome assets you make here in my maps for a long time. <3
2021-06-17 01:10:09 +0000 UTC3.0 gives me an excuse to stop endlessly retouching maps.
2021-06-17 00:31:10 +0000 UTCI'm fairly new to the Forgotten Adventure's art. A fresh start won't be any problem for me. You're doing great work and I apprecaite you reaching out and asking.
2021-06-17 00:19:40 +0000 UTC4th option) DD 3.0 with converter program from 2.0 to 3.0. (Just a thought.)
Guoccamolé
2021-06-17 00:19:02 +0000 UTCThat's how I personally feel as well, but I wanted to make sure that's what the majority prefers. Because we've got some vocal minority with the 2.0 update not being backwards compatible.
Forgotten Adventures
2021-06-16 23:56:01 +0000 UTC169th vote for 3.0 nice, jokes aside, I personally tend not to go back to old completed maps, and I feel like a lot of us map makers tend to follow the same stigmata
2021-06-16 23:51:09 +0000 UTC**shrugs**. It's the only way to be sure.
2021-06-16 23:43:26 +0000 UTCi believe 3.0 will be new packs and the old ones will be untouched if anyone wanted to still use them. 2.0 Breaking would overwrite and rename the current packs which would destroy them for people who wanted to still have them available somewhere. So I don't work there but my guess is it will now be 2 separate versions instead of saving over the current one
Jonathan Lumsden
2021-06-16 23:38:56 +0000 UTCWho has two thumbs and is not a big fan of duplicates? <---this guy
Fynnmous
2021-06-16 23:36:11 +0000 UTCI say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
HedgehogBC
2021-06-16 23:34:03 +0000 UTC
