Catherine the Great - II: Not Quite Empress Yet - Extra History
Added 2017-02-03 18:00:05 +0000 UTCAt last, Sophia (soon-to-be Catherine) met her gallant prince! Well. Maybe not so gallant. Maybe more like "galling."
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Extra History
2017-02-10 04:48:54 +0000 UTCWelcome to our little community! There wasn't a deliberate effort to align with the recent ERB (this topic was chosen months ago), but if they want to copy us, I'm not complaining! ;) (Also, I kid. I'm sure they choose their topics far in advance as well. I can only imagine how much time those take for them to put together!)
Extra History
2017-02-10 04:48:44 +0000 UTCAgian, fun and very educational. Happy to support you, with what little I can. :)
Bill Lemmond
2017-02-09 18:16:28 +0000 UTCThank you.I look forward to supporting your valiant efforts to teach amazing history in an amazing way.
Mornathel
2017-02-08 15:17:07 +0000 UTCI have been very much enjoying this series, and it brought me on board as a Patreon at last! I like the (coincidental, surely) alignment between this and most recent Epic Rap Battle of History (Ivan vs Alexander had both Fredrick and Catherine in it).
Ryan Terry
2017-02-08 02:44:41 +0000 UTCThanks for watching!
Extra History
2017-02-06 04:04:51 +0000 UTCI did! But I'm going to switch back to normal titles next episode. I liked the little joke, but I don't want Catherine's whole series to be "Not Quite X" implying she was always coming up short.
Extra History
2017-02-05 17:58:10 +0000 UTCThanks
Kravenar Games
2017-02-05 16:46:11 +0000 UTCNext Friday, right? Me a happy Paetron. =)
Kathyrne
2017-02-05 05:00:48 +0000 UTCEven if Paul was the son of Sergei Salykov (the man that Catherine believed was the biological father) he still would have had some Romanov blood, as Sergei was related to the Romanovs.
Alex Kyriacou
2017-02-05 04:37:40 +0000 UTCThat said, leave it to some cheeky historian to track down original clothing or something from all three of them and find viable samples to test with. History is nothing if not an open frontier of discovery!
Extra History
2017-02-05 03:11:48 +0000 UTCI suppose if you had intact genetic samples from all three of them, you could tell, but I don't think that we do. Preservation was not the most pressing concern for folks in those times; we don't even have Catherine's crown, as famous and glorious as it was, and have to settle for more modern replicas.
Extra History
2017-02-05 03:10:37 +0000 UTCAt least... she had her affairs? :\
Extra History
2017-02-05 03:09:08 +0000 UTCI know it's been a few centuries, but would it be possible for genetic testing to find out if Catherine's son was Peter's?
Jason Youngberg
2017-02-05 01:12:52 +0000 UTC>this continued for 7 years Jesus christ how horrifying
Wesley Wu
2017-02-04 23:43:19 +0000 UTCDoooo it!
Nessf
2017-02-04 22:12:17 +0000 UTCEarned every bit of that shade.
Max Hardcastle
2017-02-04 17:27:10 +0000 UTCHonestly, I decided to have a look into him and I noticed the movement trying to reframe him as well... While it wasn't exactly an indepth review, the picture I got of Peter was that despite having quite a number of issues as a person, he had a good heart when it came to the bulk of his people (the Serfs) and attempted to do what he could to improve their standard of living... but his inability to even -attempt- to show any kind of respect for politics in his own country, blundering several major events because of it (He could have easily brought an end to the war with Prussia while offering -some- of their lands back while keeping a bit of the hard won gains for Russia and things would have gone at least somewhat better) and the complete lack of respect for his wife lead to his downfall.
Bright Ops
2017-02-04 14:42:25 +0000 UTCI think you're thinking of great pox, better known as syphilis. Never heard about smallpox doing anything like that.
Christina Maria Jessen
2017-02-04 14:42:17 +0000 UTCHe does. He also wrote a comprehension plan for criminal justice reform that includes the abolition of capital punishment. Quite a lot of thoughts on how to organize public education as well. And he's one of the two primary foreign sources for absolutist Denmark along with the British diplomat Molesworth.
Christina Maria Jessen
2017-02-04 14:41:38 +0000 UTCThe 1934 Film, The Rise of Catherine the Great, is about Catherine's Coup d'etat and the Events Featured in this Episode. The Film itself was Banned in Nazi Germany because its Star, Elisabeth Bergner, was Jewish.
Martin Verran
2017-02-04 13:30:17 +0000 UTCRight? The perfect shade!
Extra History
2017-02-04 12:16:17 +0000 UTC"she was seated by herself" HA!
Adam "Lux-Vertas" Youdontneedtoknowmysurname
2017-02-04 11:54:38 +0000 UTCThe Great Northern War is not just a contingent; it's practically its own political party by now. I am unceasingly surprised that it hasn't won a vote yet despite being in the top three most popular suggested topics every time.
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:33:30 +0000 UTCHappy to oblige :)
Alex Kyriacou
2017-02-04 11:33:23 +0000 UTCOh my gosh! That is literally the reference image we used to design Peter; I can't believe I missed that stupid crown sitting there! Thank you for finding it, though. I was so close to sleuthing that out correctly!
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:32:01 +0000 UTCYou can kind of see the regalia in the background of Peter III's coronation potrait (the lower left). It does match one of the crowns shown in the link you showed. But, people would be more familiar with Monomakh's cap anyway, so I'm fine with this. Definitely something that could appear in Lies :)
Alex Kyriacou
2017-02-04 11:29:35 +0000 UTC<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III_of_Russia" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III_of_Russia</a>#/media/File:Coronation_portrait_of_Peter_III_of_Russia_-1761.JPG
Alex Kyriacou
2017-02-04 11:26:08 +0000 UTCFair point there! I should have caught that, would have been an easy update. Ah well. As for the crown, I did do some research into that, but the best crown I could identify for Peter III was this one which Peter the Great originally wore: <a href="http://pulson.ru/istoriya-i-retro/koronyi-rossiyskoy-imperii-13-foto.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://pulson.ru/istoriya-i-retro/koronyi-rossiyskoy-imperii-13-foto.html</a> You seem to know more about PtG's crown-wearing habits than I do, though, so I probably failed my research role on that one. I would guess he made the switch to European-style crowns after the one I found above, and I just never managed to find a reference for it. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything that was explicitly labeled Peter III's crown, so there was definitely some guesswork going on there. Catherine's crown, being famous, we did indeed find and use as a reference!
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:20:03 +0000 UTCWatching this makes me really want a Peter the Great series, I know there's a strong Great Northern War contingent among the viewers, so it might happen one day :)
Alex Kyriacou
2017-02-04 11:13:22 +0000 UTCOh, you could have a fun time researching him if you wanted to. ;) Though there's an interesting movement now that attempts to reframe him as misunderstood (and at least a little slandered by Catherine and her supporters). I don't quite buy it because I don't think you turn that many people against yourself without being some degree of incompetent, but it is an interesting perspective that helps reframe him more as a person and less as a cartoon villain.
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:11:50 +0000 UTCAww, sorry your computer lied to you! There's no delay that I'm aware of (they should update simultaneously) but hey... maybe it was a nice thing to wake up to? I hope so.
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:09:49 +0000 UTCI mean. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_the_Great_(1995_film)" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_the_Great_(1995_film)</a>
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:09:19 +0000 UTCI... am seriously tempted. It even works with the episode ordering. At the time I write this comment I have not yet decided if the desire to do this outweighs my desire to have searchable words in the episode title, but if it does happen, RMS, it will be your fault!
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:08:45 +0000 UTCJust one minor critique for this awesome video: You still kind of imply that Moscow is the capital later in the video, i.e. (Fredrick to Peter III 'Stay in Moscow'). I bet most viewers will pick up on that anyway though. Also, another interesting thing, you use the old Muscovite crown (Monomakh's Cap) for Peter III, even though Peter the Great had introduced more European style crowns, although the magnificent diamond studded Imperial Crown was introduced by Catherine (another thing I just learned :) ). I wonder if this was an artistic comment on his reign, or just a way of associating the audience with Russia? Anyway, I'm excited for the rest, long live Catherine II, Empress and Autocrat of all the Russias!
Alex Kyriacou
2017-02-04 11:06:42 +0000 UTCFive is one my favorite numbers! Stick with five! #fiveforever
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:05:58 +0000 UTC:*( Too soon
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:02:42 +0000 UTCYep, I was also surprised that this flag was already in use in Catherine's time, but Wikipedia seemed to bear me out (and I trust RMS even more than Wikipedia sometimes, so that's good too). Also, RMS... DRAGONS. FLAGS WITH DRAGONS. FOREVER.
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:02:26 +0000 UTCI've actually been hanging onto that connection for months! I stumbled on it by chance while looking up a connection for one of the other series, and I have been holding onto it ever since. Thank you for joining our little Patreon community, and we hope you love it here!
Extra History
2017-02-04 11:00:51 +0000 UTCNext episode, my friend. Next episode. >:)
Extra History
2017-02-04 10:59:56 +0000 UTCHaha, glad you enjoyed the episode!
Extra History
2017-02-04 10:59:38 +0000 UTCThat dude gets around! Maybe he's related to Walpole?
Extra History
2017-02-04 10:59:24 +0000 UTCI'm not certain (not a doctor, of course) but I don't believe smallpox has any lasting effects on brain chemistry. Peter was a messed up dude, but probably not because of smallpox.
Extra History
2017-02-04 10:59:01 +0000 UTCHey Jim! Remember when I lied to you and said the Second Miracle wasn't going to come up in this series? Whoops! Sorry about that. I checked the script when you asked and must have had a brainfart because obviously it does indeed come up. And glad it did since now we get to hear your extra info about it. :D
Extra History
2017-02-04 10:54:49 +0000 UTCOf course a Kitty would enjoy hearing about another Cat! Next Saturday you'll get more. :)
Extra History
2017-02-04 10:53:13 +0000 UTCI wondered how many people would notice this. ;) Yes, St Petersburg was the capitol and Elizabeth actually hated Moscow, but she was still holding court in Moscow at the time that Catherine (then Sophia) came racing to meet her.
Extra History
2017-02-04 10:51:57 +0000 UTCOk I stand corrected, I read 'the Romanovs' by Monetfiore and yes, they did initially go to Moscow. My apologies
Alex Kyriacou
2017-02-04 05:47:49 +0000 UTCProbably. Elizabeth spent some of her free time in Moscow, but the then-new Summer Palace is just outside St. Petersburg, in Tsarskoye Selo.
Kacie Rowlette
2017-02-04 05:21:54 +0000 UTCAh that makes sense since most of the games I play where they show the Russian flag are set in the 19th century or during the Cold War.
Christian K.
2017-02-04 04:54:00 +0000 UTCAm I missing something?? Shouldn't they be going to St. Petersburg??
Alex Kyriacou
2017-02-04 04:03:42 +0000 UTCThis Kitty is so much enjoying the story of Cat the Great. When's the next episode?!?!?!?!? **Great Big Humongous Kitty Hugs!! **
Kathyrne
2017-02-04 01:50:35 +0000 UTCThe Second Miracle at the House of Bradenburg probably wouldn't have killed Frederick the way the first one did, but any peace that Empress Elizabeth would have force would have a vastly diminished Prussia. We should give Frederick the Great his due credit, though, his defensive prowess in the campaigns of 1760 and 1761 were handled tremendously well. It was the superior manpower of his opponents that was causing Frederick such ruin, compounded by the failure of the Ottomans to enter the war. Still, the death of Elizabeth and Phillip's Prussia-fanboy status really irked the Russian people the wrong way, and it wouldn't be long before that sort of cultural tension would explode in a coup. Also fun fact: Sophia was actually more closely-related to the Rurikid dynasty of Russia rather than the Romanov.
Jim McGeehin
2017-02-04 01:43:18 +0000 UTCDoesn't Smallpox occasionally cause insanity to its survivors? That might explain the Tsar's actions a bit. If not than maybe the underage drinking that was mentioned in the first episode.
Parker
2017-02-04 01:03:02 +0000 UTCOne little note... One of Catherine's lovers, though much later in life, was Bolivar's old ally, Miranda.
Christina Maria Jessen
2017-02-04 00:31:56 +0000 UTCim so luckey yes
Teagan Broadhead
2017-02-03 22:36:47 +0000 UTCyes yes yes yes
Teagan Broadhead
2017-02-03 22:34:21 +0000 UTC"and girls
Teagan Broadhead
2017-02-03 22:33:02 +0000 UTCBOYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Teagan Broadhead
2017-02-03 22:32:57 +0000 UTCAnyone else had the urge of wanting to kick Peter's jewels with a steel-toed boot?
Joo-Hwan Jun
2017-02-03 21:39:21 +0000 UTCI have a Walpole connection already. After THE Walpole died, his art collection was sold by the 3rd Earl or Orford in 1779 to Cathrine. Btw, I just became a potron to you guys and I am so excited to be able to finally help support Extra History. Thank you for being awesome.
Mornathel
2017-02-03 21:08:42 +0000 UTCThe one with the Coat of Arms in the corner? I believe that was only for use by the Ruler. The modern Russian Flag has more or less been the same since the early 1700s, Soviet detour aside EDIT: Whoops, missed the Black-Yellow-White one, which was Russia's official flag from 1858 to 1883. Still leaves this flag use above board. Now if the Cross of St Patrick turns up in it before the 1801 Acts of Union... :)
RMS Oceanic
2017-02-03 20:56:57 +0000 UTCWhy did they use the Russian Federation flag and not the Russian Empire flag?
Christian K.
2017-02-03 20:25:52 +0000 UTCA whiny man-child undoing the progress of a preceding leader of minority (in this case a woman) for personal gain that undermines the country he rules? AND Russia's involved? Nope, doesn't sound familiar at all.
Michael Jebbett
2017-02-03 20:23:08 +0000 UTCIf episode one was "Not Quite Catherine yet", will this be "Not Quite Empress Yet", and then "Not Quite Great Yet"? That would be a fun theme naming Oh and the final episode would be "Not Quite Dead Yet"
RMS Oceanic
2017-02-03 18:46:01 +0000 UTCFifth Comment and Fifth Like...hmmm...maybe it'll be Sixth Comment/like next Time.
Martin Verran
2017-02-03 18:40:03 +0000 UTCI feel like Peter's going to be mentioned a bit in Lies... this seems like only the tip of the iceburg that was his screw ups.
Bright Ops
2017-02-03 18:26:22 +0000 UTCAnd so it begins. The rule of Catherine Zeta Jones.... I mean Catherine the Great
Jonathan Luoto
2017-02-03 18:18:38 +0000 UTCAnyway now need to wait till tomorrow to watch. 😔
Andrew Brooks
2017-02-03 18:17:42 +0000 UTCWeird, just was on patreon 10 mins ago, shows nothing, walk away from the PC and now looking at my phone on patreon it's apparently been there for 15 mins!? Is Patreon on the PC slower than the App?
Andrew Brooks
2017-02-03 18:17:04 +0000 UTC
