SEVERANCE (2x10) *REACTION* FIRST TIME WATCHING! "COLD HARBOR"
Added 2025-03-21 18:17:49 +0000 UTCWe learned the meaning of Cold Harbor, but at what cost!? Such a deranged finale, can't wait to hear what everyone's thoughts! Stay Severed.... or not :/
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Aw, that sucks. To be honest, I actually truly do agree with you. I was just trying my best to hold on to hope hahah. I am SO ready to just tear this show apart more if they continue messing up the messages because like you said, this season was so lacking of the anti-capitalist message that it really disappointed me and now my expectations are really low.
Keith Redacted
2025-03-27 21:39:05 +0000 UTCThat Trombone moment was EVERYTHING
Emily Carmen
2025-03-26 17:01:12 +0000 UTCI think there’s an argument that an innie can go to heaven while their outtie goes to hell. An innie is their outtie if they never faced any adversity, security, shame, or any other set of emotions or experiences that might affect their sense of empathy and confidence. So let’s say an outie has a hard life where they’ve been abused, been through trauma or were raised to be a certain way. Their actions and beliefs would then stem from those experiences. An innie doesn’t have any memories. So they’re “pure” in the sense they’ve never experienced or felt the need to do wrong. If an outtie is a lair or theif or a bad person due to their life circumstances, it would still be possible for their innie to be a generally good person. And what if the outtie is a bad person and goes to hell? Should their innie suffer the same fate if they have no recollection of what their outtie did. Mark is an alcoholic but his outtie is sober. Helly is complacent and cold but their innie is brave and caring. I think these discrepancies in the innie/outtie personalities could definitely be a basis for an argument about an innie going to heaven and an outtie going to hell.
Diamond Loran
2025-03-26 04:00:49 +0000 UTCGoats are often symbolically and theologically associated with autonomy, free will, choice, and self-indulgence. It’s also why Satan is often depicted as Black Philip—Satan represents those same themes. To live deliciously. lol In fact, in the opening credits, we actually see a sheep transform into a goat in that painting in front of Mark. Sheep symbolize going along with the status quo, blindly following leaders, doctrines, and systems of control. Within the show, we’re watching the innies undergo that same transformation—slowly reclaiming their autonomy and power as they break away from the system that controls them. Disillusioned with being the sacrificial lamb while the goats aka outies get to live autonomous and full lives.
Veronica
2025-03-25 23:45:08 +0000 UTCOf course his innie went for Helly— he wasn’t about to give up his life after his outie communicated with him like that; once he said heleny I knew it was over. 🤣 plus it was so sad seeing innie Mark tell helly, “but I wanna live with you” like omgg they didn’t ask to be in love and to exist 😭 HOWEVERRRR this was a knife to the heart, i can’t stop thinking about it. In my heart Mark and Gemma’s relationship is the only one I care about.. which is probably terrible of me lol
Chloe
2025-03-25 02:21:40 +0000 UTCThat's okay! :) It'd be nice if that is going to happen in Season 3, but because of the podcast where Ben and Adam said this moment was supposed to be framed as a positive development in Mark's arc, him choosing himself over his outie (this moment was paralleled to the beginning scene in 2x01 where he's running towards Ms Casey/Gemma), I don't think that is their intention? The choice was totally framed 100% sympathetically to Mark. But because of how much Gemma has suffered, partially at the hands of Mark himself, and now she's left suffering again, this "fight for autonomy/romantic gesture" thing just rings hollow and even borderline offensive to me. In Season 1 it was necessary to burn Lumon to the ground, even if that meant losing their lives. Now Helly and Mark want to stay at Lumon, because...they want to spend more time in hell with each other? It doesn't help that that Gemma just happens to be one of the few woc, and this is where they intended to go with her. I sadly don't think this was ever going to be the anticapitalist show, even though I initially thought so too. It's an Apple tv show, and Ben Stiller is an American white zionist, so the messaging of the show, whether intentional or not, will reflects those values. It's not going to be about the importance of the collective; this season was really about the American individualist "fuck yours got mine" attitude. Mark's "gotta take care of himself", as was stated in the 2x04 podcast. Gemma is not even a full character at this point. She's merely an obstacle in Mark's path to freedom (even though she's technically the biggest victim of Lumon we've seen at this point- the implication that Dr Mauer was assaulting her in those rooms too...) (sorry for the rant I'm just attached to Gemma as a character, as you can probably tell lmao)
C M
2025-03-25 00:49:25 +0000 UTCRight? The Innie slander is making me so sad hahha. I do think it is because the season focused more on romance than the innie worker unionization. People really just forgot that the innies are the workers and the company and the outties are the one getting the benefits of the work as they continue to take advatange and discard the workers without thought and expect them to not fight back.
Keith Redacted
2025-03-24 18:33:26 +0000 UTCOh! I misinterpreted your previous comment and thought you were agreeing innies don't matter hahaha. I actually DO agree that Mark just murdered a bunch of Innies. I do think Mark did it in ignorant way where he thought he was helping but instead end up killing Miss Casey because he wasn't thinking about Innie rights and that the writers WERE actually intending this so that Mark's ignorant decision is going to morally bite him in the ass. What makes me think this is the Doctor saying "You're going to kill them all!" to Mark but Mark just ignoring him. I think Mark ignorantly killed not just Miss Casey but 25 of her innies and that the writers are planning the Doctor or Lumo to use gonna use this against him to try and shatter his ideology because he himself just discarded a bunch of innies.
Keith Redacted
2025-03-24 18:29:47 +0000 UTCThank you; I agree about the connection to DID and it is hurtful that so many people disrespect innies and thus seem to miss one of the main points of the show
Soren (formerly Magnolia)
2025-03-24 08:08:48 +0000 UTCThank you for this excellent comment. Exactly.
Soren (formerly Magnolia)
2025-03-24 07:59:37 +0000 UTC"He did that to save her because Lumon was going to kill her body and bury her with a goat" and without Ms Casey's consent, going directly against the themes of "Innies deserve autonomy and to live their life for even five more minutes, because they are people too." It also directly goes against Mark's own message to her in Season 1: "We're people, not parts of people. No one should get to turn you off." Cut to the end of Season 2, where he just turns her off without thinking twice. Kind of disturbing, considering Ms Casey was the first recipient of the Innie Rights message from Mark, Mark was Ms Casey's favourite person, AND we know now Mark was responsible for creating all of Gemma's innies. Helly and Mark S ran off together knowing there was a good chance they were going to die in ten minutes along with the marching band, but were willing to go down fighting. There was absolutely no reason why Ms Casey shouldn't have been granted the same opportunity to do so, because she was in the same boat. But we'll never know, because Ms Casey is now dead, leaving Gemma crying and traumatized and confused and still at risk of being killed. It just weakens the entire message the writers were going for imo. Why should Mark get to decide what he wants for himself, yet is also fully justified in deciding what's best for Ms Casey? But yeah, I do definitely agree with the lack of other departments/innie relationships/union solidarity this season. This season was more romance focused, and as a result that meant cutting out a lot of what made Season 1 great. Mark is shown to care about all the innies in Season 1 and inspiring them to take a stand against Lumon. In Season 2, he is dismissive about Irving dying, doesn't even notice that Dylan quit, doesn't really care about Gemma/Ms Casey, isn't seen conflicted that his 3 new co-workers from 2x01 are probably dead because he wanted his old team back, and isn't seen interacting with any of the other departments other than in 2x03, even though they're shown to willingly help him without a second thought. I don't know, it seems like it was a very Mark-centered season where everything revolved around him, rather than a season about abused corporate workers finding solidarity with each other and fighting against the system.
C M
2025-03-23 20:23:59 +0000 UTCThe Ms Casey thing is a stretch. He did that to save her because Lumon was going to kill her body and bury her with a goat. He gave Ms Casey a chance to live. My main complaint about Season 2 is that unlike Season 1, they did not focus on their unionization and anti-capitalist message until this episode so so many people forgot the themes of Innies and Outties. Lumon made a system where they can separate the workers, aka the innies, and the people who can benefit from the workers, ak the outies and the company. They expect they can just force the workers to "take it" and be allowed to take advantage of them and be discarded without a thought. I'm so tired of these voluntary outies and the company becaue it is their fault the innies exist and now they expect to not deal with the consequences of putting them in this world for their own selfish reasons.
Keith Redacted
2025-03-23 19:23:01 +0000 UTCWhat kills me is that Gemma isn't even out. She's still stuck in Lumon. She wasted time banging on the door begging for who she thinks is her husband abandoning her for a woman after more than two years being tortured in a basement, and she doesn't know why! She also doesn't know where to run. She doesn't know Devon and Ms Cobel are probably outside waiting for her, or where to look for them. Now we'll have to wait till Season 3 to find out if she actually escapes, or will get recaptured. It's also funny how this episode emphasized an innie's right to live, no matter how shitty the conditions are, but Mark gave no thoughts to Ms Casey, whom he was happy to shove out the door with no explanation or care for autonomy. He also doesn't tell Gemma to run or seem to care at all about her, despite her essentially being as much of an innie as he is, therefore should be considered one of Helly and Mark's comrades in their fight against Lumon. Gemma gets the short end of the stick every time. It's like she's just there to for the writers to torture her.
C M
2025-03-23 03:40:39 +0000 UTCI freaking knew it!!!!!! UGH!! I cannot with Mark! I'm so upset, and sad for Gemma. They went through all this for nothing. 😒😪
Patricia Grant
2025-03-23 00:31:19 +0000 UTCWhen I watched this Thursday night ~ All of my reactions were the same as Chey’s! Since Jame said Helly R has Kier’s fire, I’d assume he will make her innie, the outie.
SassyPants Gregorich
2025-03-22 14:24:39 +0000 UTCIn the behind the scenes, Brit said it is actually her feeling bad for Gemma. I belive the quiver in her mouth is her being releaved that Mark didn't leave her behind for deas as they will no longer see each other again now that Outie Mark has Gemma now.
Keith Redacted
2025-03-22 11:24:29 +0000 UTCPersonally, I couldnt help but love the ending lol, my heart broke for Gemma because she didnt know why Mark wasnt going with her and then saw him run off with another women, BUT I was so happy Mark went with Helly (at least I hope it was Helly). At least Gemma was rescued and can go find safety, hopefully shell find Devon and if Cobel is with her still then maybe Cobel can help Gemma understand whats going on. I love the theory that Helly will take over as the main personality in season 3 that would be wonderful. I am so torn because I love outie Mark and Gemma, but I just cannot give up on innie Mark and Helly.....
Amanda Caroline
2025-03-22 05:17:03 +0000 UTCI dont know if it was Helly or Helena.....I found myself questioning that but then I saw Helly's walk and that is so distinct ya know? Now we have to wait no telling how long before we know for sure! 🥺
Amanda Caroline
2025-03-22 05:13:25 +0000 UTCPersonally I loved this finale! I dont think getting Gemma out was a waste just because Mark didnt go with her, at least she is out and she can go find Devon and Mrs. Cobel who I'm sure would be able to help her for now. I do agree with Chey in that the innie's are most likely just the outies purest self, but still, outie Helly (Helelna) does not have Helly's memories and experiences, same for Dylan and Mark (depends on if mark fully reintegrates), so I can completely understand why Mark would feel like he's giving his life and the lives of all the other innies by agreeing to save Gemma. I hope you guys watch the behind the scenes clip after the episode so you can hear the creator explain their reason for doing things the way they did them in the finale....Lumon is enormous, Mark and Helly are probably going to try and find somewhere to hide until they can figure out what to do....even if its just so that they can have a little extra time to have a better goodbye, who knows. In this crazy world of severance, I'm not putting anything past the creators of this show lol I completely get yalls frustration at the end though. I was both annoyed, yet also understanding and sympathetic to innie Mark, my heart was going to break either way, whether it broke for Gemma, or Helly... at least this way we know for sure that Gemma can get out and get to safety, so it wasnt for nothing. My mind is spinning after this finale. I am so sad that the season is over 🥺 I didnt want it to end, but I am so unbelievably excited to see where they take things in season 3!! I just PRAY that the wait isnt too long 🙏🏻
Amanda Caroline
2025-03-22 05:01:28 +0000 UTCI think there are two ways to keep everyone alive: the first is for everyone to come out and enjoy half of their lives whenever they plan, and the second is for Lumon to upload their consciousness to the cloud like AI, they can have their dream life. I saw another theory earlier that all innies could be transplanted into the same person, similar to a split personality state, but that would be horrible, total co-slavery of a body... I'm very much looking forward to what answer the writer will give!
Iris Mure
2025-03-22 03:35:58 +0000 UTCDoes anyone else find this ending as romantic as I do?! Although I have a feeling that ending Helly is actually Helena, after all, she encouraged Mark S to leave the place before. I saw a theory that Helly will replace Helena as the main personality and she will keep Mark S with her. The status will be reversed in season 3 and I'm really looking forward to it!
Iris Mure
2025-03-22 03:32:30 +0000 UTC1.) I was not in the marching band in high school because I got kicked out of playing clarinet in 5th grade. The teacher called my mom and said it was a waste of money for her to rent me the instrument because I had no talent and would never be any good. True story. Realistically, she was probably right, but wow.. I was 10. 😩 2.) This show is so great because there are so many ways to feel and none of them are wrong. I was equal parts frustrated with and sympathetic to innie Mark My heart broke for Gemma, but I get his feelings at the same time. It's so well written that it pulls you in a million different directions. 3.) I am 100% sure that that was Helena at the end and not Helly R, and I hate that for us.....
Lavender Violet
2025-03-21 23:58:05 +0000 UTCIt’s been a pleasure watching this season with you guys week to week, sad it’s coming to an end ❤️❤️❤️
Trinity
2025-03-21 23:35:08 +0000 UTCI too was in marching band, Wes!! The marching band scene is maybe the best thing I’ve ever seen. So in love with this episode but also it hurt me 😭😭
Sabrina
2025-03-21 21:59:49 +0000 UTCI really really love that you tied the severance procedure/innies to DID. I think of it the same way. As dear as Gemma is to me, I was dissatisfied with the ending at first watch but they also wouldn’t have made us care about the innies and their lives as much as they did if we did not value them as separate people. Outie Mark was asking Mark S. to sacrifice his own life to save Gemma. I’m hoping for a revolution in Kier where they take over the birthing retreat and both innie AND outie Mark can live in cabin 5 with both Helly and Gemma.
Amanda Hill
2025-03-21 20:39:04 +0000 UTCI was literally screaming when mark was just standing there after completing cold harbor like RUNNN
Jayzion Wheller
2025-03-21 20:16:44 +0000 UTCi hope the next season all the innies take over the severed floor and demand they get their basic human rights!!!! FUCK YOU LUMON!!!!!!! also do we think that was helena at the very end??? 👀 i did NOT like the look she gave gemma through the door right before she ran off with mark 🤔🤔 as frustrating as it is watching innie mark leave gemma, i get it. his innie doesnt know her, and hes in love with helly r, and he wanted as much time with her as he could get. but it breaks my heart 😭😭 all the innies have experienced is anyone other than them is a liar, manipulator, and just using them. so it makes sense to me that innie mark would be suspicious even of his own outie. im just PRAYING that devon and cobel are outside waiting to take gemma somewhere safe 😭🙏
alienqueen
2025-03-21 20:12:23 +0000 UTCI love the ending. The whole premise of the show is this dilemma that they have created these innies and that they are real people with their own lives and feelings. Innie Mark loves Helly and wasn’t going to give that love and his life up for a person he has no feelings for. It’s the perfect example of love beating rationale. If he was going to die he’d rather die hand in hand with her. Like Helly said "they gave us half a life and thought we wouldn’t fight for it". I can’t take on the position that the innie‘s are not real people with no real future because then I’d be no better than Helena saying "I am a person, you are not." I’m hoping that they’ll find a way to live in season 3.
Anne
2025-03-21 19:48:03 +0000 UTC44:31 made me swoon SO HARD. Milkshake and the way his body moved at that made me hot and bothered haha.
Keith Redacted
2025-03-21 19:34:35 +0000 UTCEverytime someone says the Innie's don't exist or do not really matter in a way always kinda upsets me hahaha. You can definitely have multiple "selves" in one body and have them all be valid and matter like in Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). The difference here is that instead of the splitting of "self" naturally happening in response to protect yourself, Outie Mark forcefully gave himself like a form of DID that created an Alter (term for another personality in DID) that is trapped and can not have a life outside but like any alter, they still exist and has a right to exist. Innie Mark never asked to be created and never had a reason to exist, but he was forced to exist because of Mark's selfishness and now he is owed the right to treat him as an existing person and with grace, which goes with every other Innie who had their Outties selfishly force them upon this world. I feel like the only possible way for both alters to have a good life is like giving the Innie's weekends since Overtime shows they can exist outside haha, and their Outties owe them that but this idea is so silly that it feels impossible.
Keith Redacted
2025-03-21 19:22:56 +0000 UTCBeen waiting for y'all!!! My heart rate was 110bpm during the whole episode!! InnieMark's entire goal was to get Gemma out, which he does, but you have to remember that he doesn't know Gemma at all or why he should care for her. So, in his mind, he's thinking, why would I sacrifice my life with helly down here for a stranger I don't know and have only been told about? I think they both know they are screwed either way, so they just want as much time as they can get together. I just don’t think that iHelly and iMark thought too far ahead since Mark is done with Cold Harbor, they don’t really need him anymore so what’s to stop them from killing mark or switching helly again? I think they are just trying to live as much as they can before it comes to an end. I just feel for Gemma because they legit saved her worst torture (seeing Mark walk away from her and choose Helly) for last😭 I think next season will be the reverse and now it’s Gemma getting Mark out and hopefully teaming up with Cobel and Devon. I think they will let iMark and iHelly LIVE because jame said he sees Kier in helly and that he hates Helena. So I think by letting them be together she could eventually get pregnant and keep Lumon going since it’s literally the only way her and Mark can be together.
chloe
2025-03-21 18:37:19 +0000 UTCBefore I watch bc I know I’m gonna be screaming, crying & throwing up again. I watched this show for the first time with you guys on the channel! It’s been so fun (and devastating) but it’s one of my favorite shows of all time so thank you!! ❤️
Dani
2025-03-21 18:33:52 +0000 UTC
